Jul 10, 2023 Special Commissioners Court

YEAH, IT'S UNDER A DIFFERENT AGENDA ITEM THOUGH.

IT IS A, IT IS, BUT PROCEED.

UM, ON B, WE'RE ON B.

YEP.

I'M LET, I'M LETTING HIM GO AND GO DOWN.

ALRIGHT.

IT'S JUST MORE SEAMLESS THAN THE WAY WE MOVED.

UH, ONE CONTRACT SERVICE, UM, FROM 5 62 TO 5 45 TO BETTER ALIGN THAT COST WITH WHAT IT ACTUALLY IS.

IT'S THE MAINTENANCE CONTRACT FOR THE 9 1 1 VOICE RECORDER.

UM, AS FAR AS PERSONNEL GOES, WE'VE ASKED FOR TWO NEW DISPATCH POSITIONS IN 5 45, AND, UH, I'LL COVER THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEPTH A LITTLE LATER WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PERSONNEL REQUEST.

OH, THAT DISPATCH.

OKAY, SIR, I WAS, I HAD A QUESTION.

YOU WANNA JUST WAIT ON THE QUESTIONS ON THE DISPATCH? SURE, YEAH.

COURTS, UM, PROVIDE YOU WITH THE CONSOLIDATED LIST, YOU KNOW, BY, UM, DEPARTMENT.

UM, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CHANGES.

THE, UH, WE GOT SOME, SOME MINOR NON-CAPITAL EQUIPMENT COST IN THERE.

CHAIRS, WE GO THROUGH CHAIRS QUITE A BIT.

YOU KNOW, IT'S 24 7 OPERATION.

UM, WE DO HAVE REQUEST, UH, FOR SOME CAPITAL, UH, AND NON CAP IT EQUIPMENT THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE BUDGET.

SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, WE DID COMPLY WITH THE COURT AND TALKED TO, UH, JAMES KAYWOOD AND ADDED THOSE IN OUR REQUEST.

A LOT OF THOSE REPLACEMENT COSTS ARE FOR REPLACING OLD COMPUTERS THAT ARE 6, 7, 8, 10 YEARS OUTTA DATE.

AND WHILE WE'RE ON THAT WITH IT, JUST AS A GENERAL COMMENT, UM, AS WE GO THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THIS WEEK WITH THE REQUEST, YOU'LL SEE IT ITEMS BEING DISCUSSED, BUT AS IT'S BEEN REQUESTED BY THE COURT IN PRIOR YEARS, UM, JAMES AND HIS STAFF IS WORKING WITH ALL THE DEPARTMENTS AND WILL CO CONSOLIDATE THAT LIST.

AND THEN ONCE IT COMES TO BUDGET

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AND THEN THAT WILL ACTUALLY GO INTO IT'S BUDGET.

I KNOW THAT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE DOES HAVE SOME ITEMS THAT ARE IT THAT'LL ACTUALLY, UM, PROBABLY GO IN Y Y'ALL'S BUDGET.

BUT AS FAR AS LIKE, UM, COMPUTERS, LAPTOPS, MONITORS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, THEY'LL BE, YOU KNOW, TAKEN OUT OF THE INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS AND PUT IN ITS, AND THEN PROVIDE YOU WITH THE LIST.

SO THAT'S WHY YOU'LL HEAR THEM.

BUT PART OF THAT IS ALSO, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES OR, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN FULFILLED FROM THE TIME THAT THE BUDGET WAS SUBMITTED, THE REQUEST TO NOW.

SO, BUT YOU WILL RECEIVE A, AN AGGREGATED LIST BY IT, GET A LIST FROM IT, BUT THE MONEY WILL STILL COME BACK FROM THE COME OUT OF THE DEPARTMENT.

UM, I THINK IT WAS REQUESTED PREVIOUSLY IS TO BE IN IT'S BUDGET AND THAT'S WHAT, UM, OCCURRED LAST YEAR.

AND SO IT WILL GO THROUGH IT'S BUDGET.

UM, THERE MIGHT BE SOME ITEMS SPECIFICALLY I KNOW SHERIFF'S OFFICE, UM, THAT MAY STAY IN THEIR BUDGET IF IT'S KIND OF IT RELATED, BUT NOT NECESSARILY A COMPUTER LAPTOP OR MONITOR OR SOMETHING.

LIKE SOME OF THE STUFF THAT, THE OUTFITTING THAT I'M SURE MARK WILL GO OVER, UM, FOR THE VEHICLES.

AND I THINK THAT THE WAY IT WAS AGREED UPON WITH THE COURT WAS IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PERSONNEL, FOR EXAMPLE, AND THERE'S EQUIPMENT THAT'S GONNA BE PROVIDED, UH, THE IT SIDE OR THE COMPUTER SIDE, LAPTOP, COMPUTER, WHATEVER THE, THOSE NEEDS ARE FROM A TECHNICAL STANDPOINT HAS TO BE APPROVED AND GO THROUGH, UH, JAMES OR IT MANAGEMENT.

SO IN EVERY DEPARTMENT.

CORRECT.

ONE OF THE THINGS I NEED TO POINT OUT IS THAT WE GOT QUOTES FOR EVERYTHING IN OUR BUDGET.

UM, MOST OF 'EM ARE ONLY GOOD FOR 30 DAYS.

SO WHEN IT ACTUALLY COMES TO THE ACTUAL BUDGET HEARINGS, WE HOPE TO HAVE REFRESH QUOTES.

UM, SO THESE NUMBERS ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE.

OBVIOUSLY NOTHING'S GONNA GO DOWN IN COST, IT'S ALL GONNA GO UP.

CAN YOU, CAN YOU UPDATE US WHENEVER YOU GET THE DIFFERENT QUOTES OR CAN YOU, SIR, KEEP US UPDATED? ABSOLUTELY.

WHAT DO YOU, UH, WE GOT, I GOT NOTIFIED BY ONE OF OUR VENDORS THAT HE EXPECTS THE COST OF, OF A VEHICLE TO GO UP BY EIGHT TO $10,000 FOR OUR POLICE PACKAGE.

TAHOES.

SO FROM WHAT HE PREVIOUSLY QUOTED US QUITE A BIT, YES, SIR.

UM, WE DO THE DISPATCH, WE DISPATCH FOR, UM, HUDSON OAKS, WILLOW PARK, UM, RENO PD, UH, ALITO ISD POLICE DEPARTMENT.

UM, THE REASON WHY WE'RE REQUESTING TWO PERSONNEL IN THERE IS, IS KINDA BECAUSE WE ARE RUNNING AT MINIMUM STAFFING A LOT, WE'RE DOING SOME TRAINING.

WE'VE GOT SOME PEOPLE IN TRAINING.

UH, WE'VE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF TURNOVER IN THERE.

WE'VE HAD SOME PEOPLE THAT WE'VE HIRED THAT DIDN'T HAVE ACTUALLY MAKE IT OUT OF TRAINING.

UM, SO WE'RE EITHER RUNNING AT MINIMUM STAFFING OR WE'RE PAYING THESE PEOPLE OVER TIME OR COMP TIME TO COME IN AND COVER THESE SHIFTS.

UM, WE HAVEN'T ADDED ANY STAFF INTO DISPATCH IN QUITE A WHILE, SEVERAL YEARS.

AND SO, UH, THE SHEET THAT I, THAT I SENT OUT, THE PCS O FAX SHEET KIND OF HIGHLIGHTS SOME OF THAT WORKLOAD AND SOME OF THAT, UH, THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING AS FAR AS DISPATCH GOES.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA ADD TOO.

WE'RE GONNA BEEF IT UP A LITTLE BIT, PUT A COUPLE MORE PEOPLE IN THERE TO KIND OF COVER AND WE'LL GO OVER THAT A LITTLE BIT.

CAN I GO BACK TO THE VEHICLES AGAIN? YES, SIR.

HOW MANY, ARE WE STILL BEHIND ON GETTING, IS THAT PRICE GONNA GO UP ON THOSE THAT WE'VE ALREADY ORDERED OR? WELL, THEY CANCELED THOSE, DIDN'T THEY? UM, SO THEY CANCELED TWO OF THE FORS THAT, THAT, THAT WE'D ORDERED FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

UM, ALL WE'VE ORDERED, UM, 18 TAHOES, THOSE HAVE STARTED COMING IN.

UH, SIX OF 'EM HAVE ALREADY ARRIVED AT OUR OUTFITTER AND WE HAVE, UM, VINS FOR ALL THE REST OF 'EM, I THINK.

SO THEY'RE IN TRANSIT.

SO YEAH, THE TAHOES OK ON IT WAS THE FORD.

THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO.

YES, MA'AM.

INTENT FOR ORDERS BASED, EVERYBODY'S MM-HMM.

THAT THEY'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO, BUT THANK, SO THE ONES WE ORDERED ARE STILL GONNA GO UP, EVEN THOUGH WE ORDERED THEM EARLIER, HOW, ONE, THEY HAVEN'T, THE ONES THAT, THAT, THE ONES THAT THE, THE TAHOES AND THE FORD F TWO 50 ARE IN TRANSIT, SO THOSE AREN'T GOING TO GO UP.

UH, THE ONES WE HAD TO REORDER THE TWO FORDS, THERE'S A POTENTIAL, OBVIOUSLY WE HAD TO ORDER 20, 24 MODELS.

UM, SO THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR THOSE TO INCREASE IN PRICE.

THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING PERCENTAGE WISE, THAT EIGHT TO 10,000, WHAT'S THAT REPRESENT ON ONE OF THOSE APPROXIMATELY? UM, THESE TAHOES COST US $54,000 WITHOUT THE OUTFITTING IN STOCK.

SO WE'RE TALKING ON THOSE 20% INCREASE.

PER VEHICLE.

NOTHING AROUND MONEY.

2000.

COMPLETELY OUTFITTED EVERYTHING.

BRAND NEW, NOT REPLACING

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EQUIPMENT OR TRANSFERRING EQUIPMENT OVER, I THINK IT'S, UH, I'VE GOT IT IN HERE IN FIVE 60 THREES.

BUDGET JUST LOOKS LIKE, YEAH, 92, 90 5,000 FOR THE VEHICLE AND EQUIPMENT AS OF IT SITS TODAY, THE COST TODAY, I'M SAYING GOING FROM 85 TO 92.

NO, NO, IT, IT'S 92 RIGHT NOW.

SO 92 TO HUNDRED IS WHAT YOU'RE GUESSING OVER, OVER A HUNDRED.

OVER A HUNDRED, YEAH.

PER VEHICLE.

THAT'S, THAT'S JUST, UM, A LOT OF THE EQUIPMENT WE, WE TRANSFER FROM ONE VEHICLE TO ANOTHER.

SO IT KIND OF DEPENDS ON ARE WE OUTFITTING A COMPLETELY NEW VEHICLE, WHICH WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT HERE IN A MINUTE, OR ARE WE TRANSFERRING A BUNCH OF THAT EQUIPMENT OVER? SO IF WE WANTED TO OUTFIT A COMPLETELY NEW VEHICLE, UM, 95, 647, YOU FIND IT.

THERE'S A, THERE'S A, UH, OUTFIT COST SHEET REFLECTED IN YOUR BINDER AS OF APRIL WHEN I PUT THIS TOGETHER, THOSE WERE THE COST.

UM, AND IT, IT OUTLINED EACH INDIVIDUAL PART OR PIECE OF WHAT GOES IN THE VEHICLE AND WHAT THE COST WAS TO THE COUNTY AT THE TIME.

UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT DISPATCH? OKAY.

OH FIVE 60.

CAN I, CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION ABOUT DISPATCH JUST REAL QUICK? SURE.

ON THE NEED ASSESSMENT OF THAT.

IS IT A COMBINATION OF GROWTH, TURNOVER OR, BECAUSE DISPATCH IS ONE OF THE THINGS I, I LOOKED AT, UM, IS THERE'S A LOT OF STRESS.

I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A VERY PRESSURED JOB, UH, WITH WHAT THEY EXPERIENCE AND WHAT THEY GO THROUGH.

IS IT JUST GROWTH OR IS IT COMBINATION OF THINGS WITH TURNOVER OR BECAUSE YOU GOT A GOOD CREW, I KNOW THAT FOND AND A GOOD GROUP OF PEOPLE YOU GOT THERE, BUT WHAT, WHAT EXACTLY IS THE NEED FOR? YEAH.

OUR NEEDS IS JUST THE, THE AMOUNT OF GROWTH THAT WE'VE HAD OVER, OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS.

THE CALL DEMAND, UM, THE PEOPLE, IF THEY STAY, IF, IF THEY CAN MAKE IT THROUGH TRAINING AND THEY STAY A YEAR OR TWO, THEY USUALLY STAY QUITE A WHILE.

UM, SO THE TURNOVER THAT WE HAD ARE EITHER PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T MAKE IT THROUGH TRAINING OR PEOPLE WHO JUST DIDN'T MAKE IT THROUGH TRAINING.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, WE'VE HAD QUITE A FEW OF THOSE HERE LATELY.

NOT ONLY IN PATROL, BUT ALSO IN DISPATCH WHERE JUST COULD NOT CUT IT FOR SOME REASON.

SO NO MATTER WHAT YOU PAY 'EM, IT'S JUST THE EMOTIONAL STRAIN AND DEMAND OF THAT JOB IS JUST TOUGH.

NOT, IT'S, THAT JOB'S NOT FOR EVERYBODY.

I MEAN, IT'S A HARD JOB, CORRECT? IT IS.

AND IT, UH, YOU HAVE TO BE, YEAH, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME MENTAL STRENGTH TO YOU.

SO YOU ALSO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, COORDINATE, MULTITASK, BE ABLE TO TYPE MORE THAN THREE WORDS A MINUTE, YOU KNOW, UM, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON.

SO IT JUST HELPS TO, AS WE MAKE THESE DECISIONS.

JUST, JUST, JUST PROCEED ISSUE, OKAY.

UH, FIVE 60, WE, UH, THE ONE THING I, THE THING THAT I NEED TO POINT OUT HERE IS, UM, OUR SOFTWARE VENDOR HAS UNDERGONE QUITE A FEW CHANGES OVER THE PAST COUPLE YEARS.

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CENTRAL SQUARE, UH, THEY USED, THEY, THEY WERE TELLING US FOR A WHILE THAT THEY WERE GOING TO CANCEL OUR PRODUCT, THAT THEY WERE GOING TO END OF LIFE IT.

AND SO WE HAD TO COME UP WITH A NEW PRODUCT.

AND SO WE BEGAN WORKING LAST YEAR ON, THEY HAVE ANOTHER PRODUCT THAT THEY HAVE CALLED PRO SUITE.

WE BEGAN DEMO DEMOING THAT PRODUCT AND WORKING WITH THE COMPANY TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT THAT COST WOULD BE TO THE COUNTY.

PRO SUITE IS, UH, UH, THE SYSTEM THAT WEATHERFORD PD CURRENTLY USES.

UM, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, LIFE CARE AND FIRE ALARM ALL USE THE CENTRAL SQUARE, UH, ION PRODUCT.

AND WE HAVE A SYSTEM CALLED CAD CAB WHERE WE CAN TRANSFER A CALL SH CALL DATA BACK AND FORTH.

UM, WE WORKED DILIGENTLY WITH LIFE CARE AND WITH THE FIRE ALARM TO TRY TO STAY ON THE SAME SYSTEM SO THAT WE COULD CONTINUE TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION.

UM, I, I'M ASSUMING THE ONLY THING I CAN ASSUME IS THAT CENTRAL SQUARE WAS LOSING ENOUGH OF THEIR, UH, THEIR CONTRACTS THAT THEY DECIDED TO GO BACK ON WHAT THEY SAID, AND THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO FUND AND SUPPORT SECURION, WHICH THE COUNTY INITIALLY, IN 2014, WE BOUGHT, IT WAS A $1.4 MILLION PROJECT.

UM, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND MONEY AND MANPOWER GETTING THAT SYSTEM UP AND RUNNING, AND IT WORKS WELL AND WE WANTED TO KEEP IT.

SO THEY DECIDED THAT THEY WOULD GO AHEAD AND RETAIN IT.

THE PROBLEM IS, RIGHT NOW, THEY DON'T KNOW IF THEY WANT TO CONTINUE WITH THE MAINTENANCE MODEL FOR THE YEARLY MAINTENANCE CONTRACT OR IF THEY WANT TO GO OVER TO A SUBSCRIPTION BASED MODEL.

AND SO I'VE BEEN WORKING BACK AND FORTH WITH OUR VENDOR REP TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT OUR COST IS GONNA BE.

UM, I THINK LAST YEAR IT WAS A HUNDRED AND IT WAS A HUNDRED,

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163.

THAT DIDN'T SOUND RIGHT.

I THINK IT WAS ABOUT 136,000 WAS OUR, OUR CONTRACT COST FOR THAT SOFTWARE.

UM, BECAUSE WHEN I DID THE MATH, IF WE WENT TO A SUBSCRIPTION BASED HOW THEY WERE GONNA DO THE SUBSCRIPTION, IT WAS GONNA BE CLOSER TO $200,000 A YEAR.

SO I PUT $200,000 A YEAR INTO THE, UH, BUDGET AS A PLACEHOLDER, KNOWING THAT WHEN WE GOT CLOSER TO THE, UM, THE BUDGET HEARINGS, I WOULD HAVE A HARD AND FAST NUMBER.

NOW IT'S LOOKING MORE, IT'S GONNA COME ALONG THE LINES OF ABOUT $150,000.

SO I'M THINKING A 12 TO $15,000 INCREASE, THEY DID GO UP 10%, UH, JUST BECAUSE EVERYBODY WENT UP 10% FROM OUR LAST YEAR.

UM, BUT WE'RE ALSO MAKING SOME CHANGES TO SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE PRODUCTS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING FROM THEM.

SO THAT WAS THE BIGGEST INCREASE.

WE'RE ALSO ASKING FOR, UM, A PERSONNEL INCREASE.

OUR, CURRENTLY, OUR, OUR RECEPTIONIST IS THE LOWEST PAID POSITION AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

PAYS LESS THAN A CLERK, QUITE A BIT ABOUT $6,000 LESS THAN A CLERK.

UM, BEFORE THAT WAS FINE BECAUSE ALL THEY DID WAS ANSWER PHONES AND AND GREET PEOPLE COMING INTO THE DOOR.

NOW WE'VE GOT THEM TASKED WITH, UH, A LOT MORE, UH, BOOKKEEPING STUFF, RECORD KEEPING, UH, POS, UM, DOING INMATE MEDICAL.

THERE'S A LOT MORE CLERICAL WORK THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT JOB NOW.

UM, SO WE'RE ASKING FOR AN INCREASE IN THAT POSITION UP TO WHAT OUR, THE REST OF OUR CLERKS AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE MAKES.

THE CENTRAL SQUARE WAS ONE 18.

ONE 18.

OBVIOUSLY OWNER, THAT'S GONNA BE THE COUNTY.

I WILL, UH, I WILL HAVE A HARD AND FAST NUMBER BY THE TIME WE GET THE BUDGET.

UM, OBVIOUSLY THE, UH, WHEN WE GO TO CONTRACTS CON CONTRACT MAINTENANCE, UM, EVERYTHING WENT UP A LITTLE BIT.

THE, UH, OUR GIS SERVICES WENT UP.

UM, WE WERE INITIALLY, WHEN WE STARTED THIS CONTRACT WITH HALF AN ASSOCIATES, IT WAS ABOUT $750 A MONTH.

NOW IT'S, UM, IT'S CLOSER TO 1500 OR $2,000 A MONTH, JUST DEPENDING ON HOW MANY MUCH WORK THEY DO.

AND THAT WAS REFLECTED BY HOW MANY, UH, PLATS COME THROUGH.

CUZ EVERY TIME A ROAD IS ADDED OR SOMETHING'S CHANGED, THEY HAVE TO GO IN AND MAKE THE, THE CHANGE INTO OUR GIS, INTO OUR CAD MAP.

UM, WE DID ASK A REQUEST, UM, UH, SCHEDULING SOFTWARE FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, $7,500.

UM, 140 EMPLOYEES IS KIND OF HARD TO KEEP TRACK OF, ESPECIALLY ON A 24 HOUR ROTATING SHIFT BASIS.

WE'VE IDENTIFIED A COUPLE DIFFERENT VENDORS THAT, UM, SPECIALIZE IN PUBLIC SAFETY SCHEDULING SOFTWARE, UM, A LOT WITH APP BASED WHERE WE CAN REQUEST TIME OFF AND THE SUPERVISOR REVIEW IT AND IT GETS APPROVED OR DENIED, UM, PRETTY MUCH INSTANTANEOUS BASED ON SOME CRITERIA THAT WE JUST SET TO OFFSET THAT COST.

THERE'S, UH, CURRENTLY THERE'S A, THE SYSTEM WE USE OR AN APP THAT WE USE CALLED TIP FOUR 11, IT'S $7,500 A YEAR.

WE'VE DONE A NEEDS ASSESSMENT ON THAT.

WE LOOKED AT IT AND WE'RE NOT GETTING RETURN FROM THE MONEY WE INVESTED IN IT.

AND SO WE'RE GONNA CANCEL THAT CONTRACT AT END OF THE TERM SO THAT THAT'LL OFFSET THE COST OF THIS SOFTWARE, SO TECHNICALLY WON'T BE AN ADDITIONAL COST TO THE ACCOUNTING.

ONE THING I'LL ADD, AND I KNOW I MENTIONED IT TO MARK, SO ONE OF THE, UM, ACCOUNTING SOFTWARE VENDORS WE'RE LOOKING AT AS PART OF THEIR PAYROLL, HUMAN RESOURCES MANAGEMENT, IT HAS A SCHEDULING COMPONENT AND SPECIFICALLY, UM, WHEN WE DID THE DEMO, IT WAS FOR SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND IT'S THAT SAME THING, TRYING TO MANAGE SCHEDULES, TIME OFF, ALL OF THOSE SORT OF THINGS.

SO, UM, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH TWO VENDORS AT THE TIME FOLLOWING DEMOS AND REFER REFERENCE CHECKS AND ALL OF THAT SORT OF THING.

AND SO IN THE EVENT WE GO WITH THAT, UM, VENDOR THAT COULD, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY USE THAT AND NOT HAVE TO, UM, GET THIS ONE IF IT MEETS YOUR GUYS' NEEDS.

BUT IT SOUNDS, UM, PRETTY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING.

AND AGAIN, IT WAS SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THEN, UM, EVEN ADDED TO THAT THEN IT ROLLS INTO, UM, PAYROLL SYSTEM AND TIMEKEEPING AND ALL THOSE SORT OF THINGS.

SO IT'S ALL INTEGRATED INSTEAD OF A SEPARATE SYSTEM THAT WE WOULD ALREADY POTENTIALLY IT WOULD BE, YEAH, POTENTIALLY IT WOULD WORK FOR US IN THE EVENT IT'S THAT VENDOR.

WE WOULD LIKE TO DEMO THAT OBVIOUSLY AND MAKE SURE IT'S GONNA WORK FOR US.

EVERYTHING.

UM, IN THE BINDER BOOK I DID, UM, IN, IN THE SAME, UM, DEPARTMENT, I DID ADD A, UH, VEHICLE LIST FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

IT'S RIGHT PAST THE JUSTIFICATION SHEET.

THE ONLY THING I WANNA POINT OUT ON THAT IS, UM, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING DOWN THAT LIST UNDER OWNER, UM, IF YOU SEE FORFEITURE, THAT IS A VEHICLE THAT HAS BEEN SEIZED BY THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND HAS BEEN AWARDED TO THE COUNTY FOR COUNTY USE, UM, IF YOU SEE

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AND THEN ANY VEHICLE YOU SEE, YOU SEE UNDER HERE THAT SAYS SEIZURE, THOSE ARE VEHICLES THAT WERE PURCHASED WITH SEIZURE FUNDS BY THE SHERIFF.

UM, SO THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF THOSE.

UH, THIS, THIS VEHICLE LIST WAS MARCH OF THIS YEAR.

SO THOSE MILEAGES REFLECTED IN THIS LIST, UH, ARE NOT ACCURATE TO DATE.

ANY QUESTIONS ON FIVE 60? OKAY.

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5 61 SPECIAL CRIMES.

UM, AS YOU GO, AS YOU WORK THROUGH OUR BUDGET, A LOT OF THESE LINES YOU'LL SEE IN HERE, THERE'S INCREASES TO FUEL INCREASES THE MAINTENANCE, WE ADDED 10% TO A LOT OF THESE LINES JUST BECAUSE IT'S WENT UP THAT MUCH.

I'VE HAD TO MOVE A LOT OF MONEY THIS YEAR BECAUSE I WAS SHORT IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT LINES, SO I'VE KIND OF HAD TO ROB PETER TO PAY PAUL WITH A LOT OF STUFF LIKE I'M SURE EVERYBODY HAS.

SO WE'VE HAD TO DO SOME INCREASES ON SOME OF THAT STUFF.

UH, THE TWO BIG INCREASES IN, UM, SPECIAL CRIMES IS INCREASING A VEHICLE.

WE HAVE A DEA INVESTIGATOR THAT HAS AN ASSIGNED TAKE HOME VEHICLE, HAS 191,000 MILES ON IT.

UH, WE WERE REPLACE THAT VEHICLE WITH A NEW ONE.

THE REASON WHY THAT, THAT PERSON IS NOT ON THE LEASE IS BECAUSE IT'S, THAT VEHICLE RACKS UP A LOT OF MILEAGE.

UM, AND SO IN ORDER NOT TO, UH, INCUR ADDITIONAL COSTS WITH OUR LEASES, UM, WE WANTED TO JUST HAVE THAT AS A COUNTY OWNED VEHICLE.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S AN INCREASED COST THERE.

AND THEN THE LEASE COST HAS WENT UP A LOT.

UH, WE LEASE SIX VEHICLES THROUGH ENTERPRISE.

UH, WE ROTATE 'EM IN AND ABOUT.

WE GET ABOUT SIX MONTHS USE OUT OF THEM AND THEN WE'LL TRADE 'EM IN AND THEY'LL GIVE US SOMETHING ELSE TO DRIVE.

AND SO THAT COST IS, IS INCREASED QUITE A BIT.

SO THERE'S, THERE'S TWO MAJOR INCREASES IN, UH, 5 61.

THERE'S JUST A MINOR, MINOR OTHER, UH, NON CAP EQUIPMENT REQUEST IN THERE.

UH, SO THEY CAN TAKE THESE, THEY CAN TAKE THESE LAPTOPS HOME WITH THEM, WHERE NOW MOST OF THEM HAVE DESKTOPS, WHICH IS NOT THE MOST EFFICIENT USE OF THEIR TIME A LOT OF TIMES.

ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT 5 61? OKAY,

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5 62 IS C I D.

UM, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF, UH, INCREASE IN, IN THIS BUDGET FOR IT EXPENSES.

A LOT OF THE, UH, COMPUTERS THAT WE HAVE IN C I D ARE OLD COMPUTERS 6, 7, 8, 9 YEARS OLD.

SO THERE WAS A, A PRETTY GOOD HIT IN THERE.

UM, WE DO HAVE AN INCREASE IN AUTOMOBILE LINE, SO WE TRY TO REPLACE TWO VEHICLES IN C I D EVERY YEAR.

UM, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, SHERIFF FOWLER BOUGHT TWO OR THREE SEIZURE VEHICLES.

UM, THOSE HAVE SINCE BEEN WORKED OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE FLEET, BUT, UM, WE TRY TO REFRESH AT LEAST TWO OUT OF THAT FLEET EVERY YEAR TO KIND OF KEEP THE, THE MILEAGE DOWN.

WE JUST HAD ONE GO DOWN WITH THE TRANSMISSION.

WE ARE GONNA FIX IT CUZ IT ONLY HAS SIX TO 1000 MILES ON IT.

BUT, UH, IT'S A 2016 MODEL.

SO THE, UH, THE CAVEAT TO THIS, TO THESE TWO VEHICLE PURCHASES IS, UM, I THINK THE SHERIFF IS GOING TO, UH, ASK ABOUT POTENTIALLY, UM, WHENEVER YOU TALK ABOUT ELECTED OFFICIALS SALARIES AND BENEFITS, HE'S GOING TO ASK, UH, POTENTIALLY FOR, UM, A VEHICLE ALLOWANCE.

AND IF THE VEHICLE ALLOWANCE IS APPROVED, THEN I CAN SUBTRACT ONE VEHICLE FROM THIS LINE AND WE'LL JUST TAKE THE ONE THAT HE'S DRIVING AND, AND MOVE IT OVER INTO THE C I D.

SO IT'LL SAVE US WHATEVER IT IS, WHATEVER THE COST OF A VEHICLE'S GONNA BE AT THAT TIME.

UM, THE, UH, THE CONTRACT SERVICES IS, NOTHING'S REALLY CHANGED ON IT OTHER THAN THE COST OF INCREASED FOR SOME OF THOSE ITEMS A LITTLE BIT HERE AND THERE.

UM, THE OTHER, UH, NON CAP EQUIPMENT IS JUST STANDARD STUFF THAT WE ASK FOR EVERY YEAR.

CRIME SCENE SUPPLIES, CRIME SCENE EQUIPMENT, UM, SOME OFFICE CHAIRS.

UH, ANYTHING THAT WE DON'T SPEND OBVIOUSLY IN ALL OF OUR LINES IS RETURNED AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR.

SO IF WE DON'T NEED A CHAIR, WE'RE NOT GONNA BUY A CHAIR JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE THE MONEY.

WE TURN THAT MONEY BACK IN.

UH, PART OF THIS, UH, THE HARDWARE REFRESH, THE IT REFRESH TALKING WITH JAMES KAYWOOD, UM, WE TOLD 'EM THAT WE WANTED TO GET LAPTOPS FOR OUR INVESTIGATORS SO THEY CAN TAKE 'EM OUT IN THE FIELD WITH 'EM.

UM, THEY DO DO A LOT OF FIELD WORK, UM, AND THEY'LL GO OUT THERE AND THEY'LL WRITE SEARCH WARRANTS OUT IN THE FIELD.

THEY'LL WRITE AFFIDAVITS AND ARREST WARRANTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

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CAN I ASK A DUMB QUESTION ON THAT? YES, SIR.

SO I TAKE, DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE THE, UH, DURABLE LAPTOPS BUILT INTO THEIR TRUCK OR THEIR CAR? THE, WE DO NOT OUTFIT DISMOUNT.

WE DON'T OUTFIT OUR C I D VEHICLES WITH ANY EQUIPMENT.

THEY DON'T HAVE RADIOS, THEY DON'T HAVE LIGHTS, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY EQUIPMENT.

SO WOULD THE, WOULD THESE THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING BE ABLE TO BE MOUNTED IN THE CAR AND THEN DIS THEN TAKEN OUT AND THEN TAKEN IN? OR JUST A SIMPLE LAPTOP JUST TO TAKE HOME? YEAH.

JUST A SIMPLE LAPTOP TO CARRY AROUND WITH 'EM.

WE MAY NEED TO LOOK AT YOUR TELEPHONE LINE IF YOU'RE ADDING LAPTOPS THAT WAY.

IF THEY'RE GONNA NEED MIFIS, MOST OF 'EM HAVE 'EM.

WELL, ABOUT HALF OF 'EM HAVE 'EM.

THE ONES THAT HAVE LAPTOPS ALREADY HAVE 'EM.

UM, WORKFORCE COMMISSION.

IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL ONES.

THAT WAY WE'RE NOT SHORT IN STARTING THAT BUDGET ADJUSTMENT.

THE GOOD THING ABOUT OUR PATROL CARS, IF THEY'RE OUT THERE WITH A PATROL CAR, THEY, THE, UM, CRADLE POINTS WE'LL TALK ABOUT HERE IN A LITTLE BIT ACTUALLY ARE, THERE ARE MANY NETWORKED IN AND OF THEMSELVES.

SO WE CAN LOG INTO THOSE, UH, THOSE PATROL CARS ANYTIME WE NEED TO ON, ON THE SCENE.

ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT C I D? CAN YOU REFRESH MY MEMORY ON WHAT LEADS ONLINE IS? SO WE, WE HAVE SEVERAL, UM, SEVERAL DATABASES THAT WE PAY TO HAVE ACCESS TO.

ACURA'S, ONE OF 'EM LEADS ONLINE, UH, LEADS DOES ALL OF OUR, UM, UH, PAWN STUFF.

SO IF YOU WANNA LOOK AND SEE IF SOMEBODY'S PAWN, SOME, SOME GOLD WATCHES THAT'S PART OF LEEDS, BUT LEEDS IS A LOT MORE THAN THAT.

WE HAVE ACCESS TO A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT DATABASES AND ONLINE, UH, ACCOUNTS THAT WILL ALLOW US TO SEARCH FOR PEOPLE, IDENTIFY 'EM, IDENTIFY THEIR, UH, THEIR FAMILY, FRIENDS, PEOPLE THEY RUN AROUND WITH.

SO LEADS IS, UM, LEADS IS A BIG ONE FOR LEADS IS IT'S LIKE I SAID, THE, UH, THE PAWN SHOP STUFF.

AND THEN ON THE DOCKING STATIONS I SEE THAT'S LISTED AT 600 BUCKS EACH.

IS THAT INCLUDING MONITORS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF? WE ALREADY GOT THE MONITORS, LIKE I SAID, UM, THE, THE DOCKING STATION'S, JUST THAT LITTLE HOCKEY PUCK BOX THAT I WAS AFRAID YOU WERE GONNA SAY THAT, THAT THAT THING COST 600 BUCKS.

THAT'S, THAT WAS THE QUOTE THAT WE RECEIVED FROM IT.

JAMES, YOU'RE KILLING ME.

I'M, I'M TEASING.

I'M TEASING.

I JUST DIDN'T KNOW THOSE, I DIDN'T KNOW THE LING STATION WAS THOSE, THOSE, TO BE HONEST, THOSE ARE BUDGETARY NUMBERS RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING THE VENDOR WITH THE QUANTITY PER, WE'RE WORKING ON THAT.

I KNOW IT'S NOT A BIG NUMBER, BUT IT JUST SEEMED HIGH.

EVERY LITTLE BIT COUNTS.

ANYTHING ELSE? 5 62.

5 63 PATROL, UH, QUITE A BIT OF INCREASE IN PATROL.

UM, OBVIOUSLY EVERYTHING WENT UP QUITE A LARGE INCREASE IN FUEL BECAUSE I DIDN'T BUDGET ENOUGH LAST TIME IN FUEL LINES.

UM, GOING THROUGH HERE REAL FAST.

SO WE'RE HAVING TO REPLACE ALL OF OUR SWAT ENTRY VESTS.

A NORMAL VEST.

SOFT BODY ARMOR COSTS US ABOUT ALMOST A THOUSAND DOLLARS.

OUR SWAT ENTRY VEST, I'VE GOT 'EM LISTED HERE AT $5,800.

THAT WAS THE LAST QUOTE.

WELL THAT WAS A QUOTE I GOT BACK THEN, BUT I'VE SINCE GOT A REFRESH QUOTE.

IT'S CLOSER TO ABOUT $3,500 FOR THOSE VESTS.

THOSE ARE THE BIG HEAVY VESTS THAT HAVE ALL THE THROAT PROTECTORS AND, UM, THEY DO HAVE A SHELF LIFE AND ALL THE, WE WERE ABLE TO BUY ONE LAST YEAR AND THEN WE HAVE TO REPLACE 'EM, UH, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL OUT OF, OUT OF, UH, THEY'VE ALL EXPIRED.

UM, SO THEY'RE VERY EXPENSIVE.

WE WANT TO ADD FOUR MORE RIFLE SHIELDS TO OUR SHIELD FLEET.

UH, THEY'RE NOT CHEAP.

WE HAVE SIX OR SEVEN SHIELDS.

TWO OF 'EM ARE RIFLE RATED.

THE ARREST ARE PISTOL PISTOL RATED.

UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO EVENTUALLY REPLACE ALL THE, UH, THE PISTOL ONES WITH RIFLE SHIELDS.

SO WE USE THEM ON A DAILY BASIS NEARLY.

THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WILL ASK, HEY, YOU GOT THE SHIELD.

SO IN ORDER TO SAVE TIME, MANPOWER GAS AND MAKE SURE WE PROTECT OUR PEOPLE, WE WANT TO ADD TO OUR FLEET OF AVAILABLE SHIELDS ANYTIME THAT THEY NEED

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IT.

DO THOSE SHIELDS HAVE THAT LITTLE WINDOW IN THERE? YES, SIR.

IS THAT REALLY SA IS THAT GLASS SAFE? I MEAN, CAN THEY SHOOT RESISTANT GLASS? OKAY.

SO IT'S ABOUT AS GOOD AS THE SHIELD ITSELF.

NOT QUITE, NOT QUITE RESISTANT GLASS.

IN JANUARY, WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY APPLY FOR THAT FOR FISCAL YEAR 25.

IT'LL GIVE YOU SOME MEDICAL PROTECTION.

YEAH, NO, I WAS SURPRISED.

THE OUTFITTING FOR THE TAHOES DIDN'T REALLY GO UP THAT MUCH.

SO I THINK WE PAID 22,000 LAST YEAR.

I THINK THEY QUOTED US TO 23, UM, WHICH IS SURPRISING.

BUT, UM, YOU DO KNOW THAT WE, YOU SEE IN HERE THAT WE'VE ASKED FOR 19 REPLACEMENT TAHOES.

UM, THERE'S QUITE A FEW.

THE PROBLEM THAT WE'VE HAD OBVIOUSLY IS GETTING VEHICLES IN, YOU KNOW, ONE AT ONE POINT.

IT TOOK US TWO YEARS TO GET THE ONES WE IN AND WE ORDERED.

UM, AND THEN EVER SINCE THEN, IT JUST KIND OF TRICKLED IN, WHICH HAS CAUSED OUR FLEET, UH, TO RUN A LOT.

AND WE'VE ADDED A LOT OF MILES TO A LOT OF CARS.

UM, WE'RE AT THE POINT NOW WHERE WE'VE DECIDED THAT WHENEVER WE DO PULL SOMETHING OFF THE LINE, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET RID OF IT.

WE'RE GONNA PUT, WE'RE GONNA PARK IT BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHEN WE'RE GONNA GET A VEHICLE IN TO REPLACE IT.

AND, UM, SO WE'RE GONNA PARK SOME VEHICLES AND HOLD 'EM IN RESERVE IN CASE WE HAVE TO CALL 'EM BACK UP FOR DUTY.

UM, A LOT OF THOSE VEHICLES TOO, WE, WHEN THEY COME OFF THE PATROL LINE, THEY GO TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE AGENCY.

THEY'LL GO TO TRANSPORT OR THEY'LL GO TO, UH, COURTHOUSE SECURITY OR A, OR ADMIN.

UH, WE'VE GOT 'EM SLEWED ALL THROUGH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

UM, THERE'S OTHER AGENCIES WITHIN THE COUNTY THAT WE ALSO SAY, HEY, WE HAVE A VEHICLE.

BECAUSE THEY'LL ASK US, YOU HAVE A VEHICLE, WE NEED A, YOU KNOW, WE, WE NEED A VEHICLE.

AND SO WE ALWAYS TRY TO, YOU KNOW, AFTER WE'RE DONE WITH IT, MAKE SURE THAT OTHER COUNTY AGENCIES HAVE THE FIRST USE OF IT.

WELL, THOSE 19 THAT YOU'RE ORDERING THAT, IS IT GONNA TAKE A YEAR TO GET 'EM OR MORE? PROBABLY, YES SIR.

WE WERE THAT'S ON TOP OF THE EIGHT OR NINE THAT YOU'RE ALREADY WAITING ON? WELL, WE WERE REALLY, REALLY LUCKY THIS YEAR, BUT WE WERE REALLY LUCKY AND IT TOOK A BUNCH OF HORSE TRADING AND A BUNCH OF, IT TOOK A BUNCH OF MANEUVERING BETWEEN A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT VENDORS TO ACTUALLY GET US THE ONES THAT WE'RE CO THAT ARE COMING IN NOW.

UM, WE HAD TO ORDER IT FROM ONE COMPANY AND THEN THEY IN TURN BOUGHT 'EM FROM ANOTHER VENDOR TO HAVE 'EM SHIPPED IN.

AND SO WE WERE REALLY LUCKY TO GET THE ONES THAT WE'VE GOT COMING NOW.

UM, THE ONE THAT WE NORMALLY ORDER THROUGH, THEY SAID, WE DON'T HAVE ANY TO GIVE YOU, SO IT'LL BE A YEAR AT LEAST.

UM, SO WE'RE LUCKY TO GET THE ONES WE GOT.

WE, WE CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT WE'RE GONNA GET ANY NEXT YEAR.

I'M SURE YOU'RE TRYING TO WORK ALL THAT OUT.

SO KIM, KIM DID A GREAT JOB ON THAT.

SEEMS LIKE WE'RE, SHE WORKED REALLY HARD ON GETTING US THOSE VEHICLES SOME OTHER PLACE TO GET 'EM OR I I DEALERSHIP.

SO WE GOT A PLAN RIGHT, A COUPLE YEARS AHEAD TO TRY TO KEEP Y'ALL OVER THE VEHICLES.

UM, WE, UM, HOUSE BILL, I THINK IT WAS, OR I'M SORRY, SENATE BILL, SENATE BILL 22 PASSED AND THE GOVERNOR SIGNED IT.

IT'S THE, UH, RURAL SHERIFF'S OFFICE GRANT, UM, ALLOWS FOR THE COUNTY TO APPLY FOR A GRANT IN JANUARY.

UH, BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF OUR COUNTY OF $500,000.

UH, THERE'S ONLY CERTAIN, CERTAIN, CERTAIN THINGS THAT YOU CAN USE THAT MONEY FOR, UM, SALARIES AND EQUIPMENT.

AND SO IN THE EVENT THAT THE COUNTY DOES DECIDE TO APPLY FOR THAT GRANT, UM, IN ADDITION THESE 19, WHEN I ASK THAT THAT $500,000 BE USED TO PURCHASE AN ADDITIONAL SIX, UM, NOT THAT WE WILL HAVE THE, THE MONEY FOR THE OUTFITTING FOR IT, BUT IF WE CAN GET THE ADDITIONAL SIX ON A LOT, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN USE THOSE MAYBE AS OTHER CARS DIE TO, UH, TO SWAP OUT AND USE THOSE.

SO WITH THAT GRANT, I'M NOT SURE IF IT WILL BE FISCAL YEAR 24, 25, CUZ ALTHOUGH IT'S JANUARY, THE WAY SENATE BILL 22 IS WRITTEN, IT SAYS NOT LATER THAN THE 30TH DAY AFTER THE FIRST DAY OF A QUALIFIED COUNTY'S FISCAL YEAR, WHICH WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE OCTOBER, UM, THAT THEY MAY SUBMIT FOR AN APPLICATION.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S WRITTEN THAT WAY SO THEY CAN FIGURE IT OUT.

CAUSE IT'LL BE THE COMPTROLLER THAT WILL BE ADMINISTERING IT.

AND SO THEY'RE COMING UP WITH, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICATION PROCESS AND I'M SURE THE REPORTING AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

AND SO THAT MIGHT JUST TO BY TIME FOR THAT.

SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S

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BUT SO THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK OF THAT ON THE LISTSERV OF, YOU KNOW, AS COUNTIES ARE GOING INTO THIS NEXT BUDGET YEAR, CAN THEY COUNT ON THOSE FUNDS OR NOT? AND I THINK THE ANSWER IS WE DON'T KNOW, UM, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE THE NEXT YEAR UNLESS THEY, YOU KNOW, OPEN IT UP AND ALLOW COUNTIES FOR THIS FIRST YEAR TO JUST APPLY FOR IT DURING THE YEAR.

IF NOT, THEN I THINK IT WOULD BE OCTOBER ONE.

SO, BUT AS INFORMATION COMES OUT, WE WILL UPDATE THE COURT.

I'M SURE YOU ALL WILL BE WATCHING IT AS WELL.

RESOURCES ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE FUNDED BY THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND BY THE COUNTY.

MOVING OVER TO NON CAP, UH, SWAT ENTRY HELMETS ALSO OUT DATE, WE'RE HAVING TO REPLACE THOSE.

THAT, THAT $3,500 PER IS A GOOD, THAT INCLUDE, IT'S NOT JUST THE HELMET, IT'S ALSO ALL THE, UH, ELECTRONIC GEAR THAT GOES WITH IT.

THE COMMUNICATIONS EQUIPMENT, UH, THOSE ARE MOUNTED INTO THE, UH, THE HELMETS, UM, CRADLE POINTS.

SO WE HAVE A FLEET OF 44 CRADLE POINTS.

THOSE ARE INSTALLED IN EACH ONE OF OUR PATROL VEHICLES.

UM, THEY WENT OUT OF DATE LAST FISCAL YEAR.

WE HAD TO FIND THE MONEY TO, TO DO THE, UH, ONLINE MAINTENANCE ONE MORE YEAR.

BUT THEY'VE BEEN RIDING AROUND IN THOSE PATROL CARS FOR ABOUT SEVEN YEARS NOW.

UM, THE POINT THAT WE'RE GONNA START HAVING FAILURES IS, UH, PROBABLY PRETTY CLOSE.

AND WHEN A, WHEN A CRADLE POINT GOES DOWN THAT THAT CAR IS DOWN UNTIL IT'S EITHER REPAIRED OR REPLACED, UH, WITH THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE WITH CARS, NOW WE NEED TO REPLACE THOSE AND, AND GET SOME NEW EQUIPMENT IN THERE.

THE SECOND PART TO THAT IS, UM, WE HAVE THE OLD 900 SERIES SYSTEM.

THEIR 4G HAS MORE 5G STUFF TAKES EFFECT HERE IN PARKER COUNTY.

THE, THE NEWER EQUIPMENT WILL ALLOW US TO MORE EFFECTIVELY COMMUNICATE WITH OUR, UH, CAD SYSTEMS BACK AND FORTH.

UM, GIVE HER A BROAD, GIVE US A BROADER RANGE OF ABILITIES.

WE, WHENEVER WE UPGRADED, UM, IN THIS, IN THIS FISCAL YEAR, WE HAD TO RE REFRESH OUR CONTRACT WITH AXON.

UM, WHICH MEANT THAT WE GET NEW FLEET THREE CAMERA SYSTEMS, WHEREAS NOW WE'RE RUNNING FLEET TWO.

FLEET THREE ALLOWS US TO ACTUALLY LOG INTO AN ACTIVE EVENT AND ACTUALLY WATCH IT, UM, FROM THE, FROM THE OFFICE OR WHEREVER.

AND THERE'S SOME OTHER THINGS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT.

I DIDN'T KNOW IT AT THE TIME BECAUSE IT WASN'T LISTED ON THE CONTRACT, BUT THEY SHIPPED US, UH, 10 BRAND NEW, NINE HUNDREDS, UH, CRADLE 0.9 HUNDREDS, WHICH WE'RE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM.

SO I'M IN NEGOTIATION WITH THE COMPANY NOW TO TAKE THOSE BACK, GIVE US THE NEW 19 HUNDREDS AND WE'LL WORK OUT THE COST OF THAT.

SO THERE'S POTENTIAL IS I DON'T NEED 38, I ONLY NEED 28 AND A LITTLE EXTRA MONEY, UH, FOR THE UPGRADES.

SO I'M STILL WORKING ON THAT.

UM, WE WANT TO ADD FOUR CAR MOUNTED RADARS.

UH, PURCHASED SOME RADARS THIS YEAR.

UM, WE'VE SPENT SOME SEIZES ASSET FUNDS TO BUY SOME RADARS.

UH, THE GUYS USE IT A LOT.

WE HAVE CONSTANTLY, EVERY DAY, 3, 4, 10, 15 COMPLAINTS OF SPEEDING OR OTHER TRAFFIC RELATED ISSUES.

UM, IN THE COUNTY.

UH, WE DO THE BEST WE CAN, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONLY SO MANY COPS OUT THERE RUNNING AROUND AND WE JUST NEED TO ADD SOME MORE CAPABILITIES FOR THEM TO DO SOME SPEED ENFORCEMENT.

HOW MANY, UH, DEPUTY CARS HAVE RADAR AT THIS MOMENT? WE HAVE TWO MOBILE, TWO RADAR UNITS.

YEAH, THAT'S IT.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

WHAT'S THE LONG TERM PLAN WITH THAT? UM, WELL IF YOU WERE CRYSTAL BALLING IT YEARS OUT.

WELL, WE DO HAVE A LONG-TERM PLAN.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING VERY DILIGENTLY TO COME UP WITH A FIVE-YEAR PLAN.

UM, IT IS SUBJECT TO REVISION AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

WE'VE HISTORICALLY HAVE ALWAYS RELIED ON DPS TO, TO DO TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT.

UH, DPSS HISTORICALLY IN PARKER COUNTY HAS HAD MORE THAN, OR AS MANY DEPUTIES OR, OR POLICE OFFICERS ON THE STREET AS A SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

YOU HAVE TWO SERGEANT DISTRICTS HERE.

UH, THERE'S, BEFORE THEY STARTED GETTING YANKED TO THE BORDER IN DALLAS AND AUSTIN, HISTORICALLY THERE WAS AS MANY DPS OFFICERS ON THE STREET AS THERE WERE PATROL DEPUTIES OR MORE.

AND THEIR JOB MAINLY IS TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT AND WORK ACCIDENTS.

SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE COUNTY, ANY TYPE OF CRIME IN THE COUNTY, WE DO IT.

UH, DPS DOESN'T RESPOND TO DOMESTICS AND WORK DOMESTIC CASES.

THEY DON'T WORK BURGLARIES, THEY DON'T WORK HOMICIDES.

UM, THAT'S THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE RESPONSIBILITY.

AND AS THOSE, BECAUSE OF THE, THE PULLING OF THE WAY OF THE, OF THE OFFICERS AND ALSO THE HIRING PROBLEMS THAT THE EACH AGENCY FINDS ITSELF IN.

RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE AS MANY TROOPERS IN THE AREA.

AND SO THOSE

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NO.

UM, CAN WE, UH, I'LL GO AHEAD.

AND WHY ARE YOU DOING THAT, MR, BACK TO YOUR QUESTION.

WE'RE TRANSITIONING OVER TO DO A LOT MORE, UH, TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT, UH, DUTIES, LIKE YOU SAID.

I MEAN, DPS, THEY'RE DOING THE BEST THEY CAN.

THEY, THEY GOT THE BORDER, YOU KNOW, TO DEAL WITH AND LIKE THE CHIEF SAID, THERE'S FEWER AND FEWER OF 'EM AROUND AND OUR NEEDS ARE STILL GREAT.

UM, SO WE NEED TO STEP UP AND, AND, AND DO THAT.

THESE MOVING RADARS WILL BE A GREAT TOOL FOR THAT.

THE GUYS AND GALS CAN STILL BE DOING THEIR THINGS.

THERE'S SOME THAT THEIR FORTE IS TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT AND WE KNOW WHO THEY ARE AND THEY WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE THE ONES GETTING THESE MOVING RADARS SO THEY CAN STILL BE OUT DOING THEIR THING AND ENFORCING TRAFFIC, NOT JUST SAYING, HEY GUY, THAT GUY LOOKS LIKE HE'S GOING FAST.

THEY'LL LOOK BY AND SAY, HEY, THAT GUY IS, YOU KNOW, HE'S GOING 81 OR WHATEVER.

SO WE, WE KNOW SAFETY IS PARAMOUNT, AS WITH HIS COURT SUPPORTS PUBLIC SAFETY IMMENSELY.

AND, AND WE OWE IT TO OUR CITIZENS TO STEP UP AND FILL THAT VOID THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.

WE'LL GIVE IT TO YOU ALSO.

I'M SORRY.

WELL, I, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I COMMEND YOU GUYS FOR THAT CUZ AS DPS GETS PULLED MORE DOWN SOUTH, AND AS OUR COUNTY INCREASES IN POPULATION OUTSIDE OF THE CITY, I THINK THERE'S MORE AND MORE OF A NEED OF THE, THE, YOU KNOW, WE BUILD THESE BEAUTIFUL WIDE COUNTY ROADS AND UH, FOLKS TRY TO GO PRETTY QUICK ON, THEY GET FRUSTRATED WHEN THEY SEE A GAP IN IT.

UH, THEY'RE GONNA GONNA TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF IT.

WELL, TWO THINGS.

ONE IS THE DENSITY, UH, COMMISSIONER HOLT, LEMME JUST MENTIONED TWO CITIES JUST CAN'T ANNEX LIKE WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST, WHICH IS KEEPING THIS ON OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN THAT, TO ENSURE THAT THE, THESE LAWS ARE KEPT.

SO I WE'RE OBLIGATED, I THINK TO, TO BE LOOKING AT THAT.

IT, IT IS.

AND, AND, AND I WAS A TROOPER, SO I KNOW TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT IS THEIR PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY.

IT'S KIND OF SECONDARY WITH US, BUT LIKE YOU SAID THERE, THERE'RE A THOUSAND TROOPERS SHORT IN THE STATE RIGHT NOW, AND PLUS ALL THEIR OTHER DUTIES OF GOING TO THE BORDER, THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE JUST NOT AS MANY HERE AS, AS NEEDS TO BE.

SO, SO WE, WE, WE WANT TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO HELP KEEP THESE ROADS SAFE TOO.

AS, AS EVERYBODY IN THIS ROAD.

TALK ABOUT PERSONNEL.

YOU WANNA TALK FIVE YOUR PLAN, FIVE YEAR PLAN? SURE.

OKAY, SURE.

UH, YOU KNOW, IT BETTER.

UM, HE BRIEFLY MET ON OUR, OUR FIVE YEAR PLAN THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.

YOU KNOW, WHAT OUR, OUR GROWTH GOALS ARE.

UH, WE KNOW WHAT, WHAT, WHAT NUMBER WERE WE ON? WELL, THIS ONE'S STILL 5 63.

IT'S KIND OF ALL ENCOMPASSING.

I MEAN, PATROL'S OUR BACKBONE.

I MEAN, EVERYBODY KNOWS IT.

THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY SEES, YOU KNOW, DAY IN AND DAY OUT, THE WHITE AND GOLD CARS.

SO, BUT OUR FIVE YEAR PLAN IS, IS FOR PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING.

NO, THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY SMALL PRINT, BUT JUST GO THROUGH THIS REAL QUICK.

UM, SO I SENT THIS, UH, THIS POWERPOINT OUT TO YOU GUYS LAST WEEK TO KIND OF REVIEW, BUT THIS IS OUR CURRENT STAFFING.

UM, BREAKS IT DOWN BY DIVISION AND, UH, COMMANDER, UH, PROPOSED OUR PROPOSED STAFFING INCREASES.

AND THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE, UH, THIS DOES INCLUDE THE DISPATCHERS.

UM, WE'RE REQUESTING FOR OUR PROPOSED STAFFING IN 5 63, A NEW LIEUTENANT, UH, WHO WILL UNDER PATROL CAPTAIN, A SUPERVISED DISPATCH, ANIMAL PATROL, THE SRO PROGRAM, THE ADMIN SERGEANT STAFF, AND THEN FOUR NEW PATROL DEPUTIES, UH, ONE FOR EACH SHIFT.

UM, THESE NUMBERS WERE OBTAINED THROUGH THE F B I, UH, THROUGH TEXAS D P S AND THROUGH, UM, UH, THE US CENSUS BUREAU ESTIMATING A 5% POPULATION INCREASE.

AND, AND PEOPLE THINK, WELL FOR PATROL THAT, THAT'S A LOT, BUT JUST LOOK AT ONE OF THE OTHER, ALMOST ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS IN THE COUNTY, IF THEY ASK FOR ONE PERSON, THEY SEE THAT ONE PERSON THROUGHOUT THEIR ENTIRE WORK WEEK, YOU KNOW, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY OR WHATEVER FOR 40 HOURS A WEEK, WE ASK FOR FOUR PATROL PEOPLE, ONE FOR EACH SHIFT.

WE SEE ONE IN THAT NORMAL WORK CYCLE.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE COVERING 24 7.

SO FOUR IN REALITY, IT'S KIND OF LIKE ONE IF, IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE AT ALL, SINCE IT IS A 24 7 OPERATION.

SO YEAH, THIS WOULD, UH, THIS WOULD ADD ONE PATROL DEPUTY TO EACH ONE OF THE SHIFTS.

UH, BRING, UH, AND THEN TWO NEW DISPATCHERS THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, UM, FOR THE INCREASED CALL LOAD AND SHORT STAFFING.

UM, YOU, AND IF YOU LOOK BACK AT THE, UM, THE PCS O FACT SHEET THAT I GAVE EVERY ONE OF YOU, YOU GUYS ALL HAVE A, A HANDOUT OF IT.

IT KIND OF BREAKS DOWN THE POLICE AND CITIZEN RATIO, UM, WHERE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND PARKER COUNTY STANDS IN RELATION TO NATION AND ALSO COUNTIES OF COMPARATIVE SIZE, WHETHER IT BE COUNTIES THAT WE ACTUALLY, OR THE POPULATION THAT WE ACTUALLY POLICE FOR, OR THE TOTAL COU UH, COUNTY POPULATION ALSO BREAKS IT DOWN.

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UM, IF THE, THESE POSITIONS WERE APPROVED WOULD BRING US AS FAR AS SWORN PERSONNEL UP TO 1 0 8, AND THAT WOULD PUT US AT 0.94 CITIZENS PER HUNDRED OR PER THOUSAND.

AND THIS IS THE, WHERE WE WOULD ADD THOSE POSITIONS.

THE PROBLEM I HAVE RIGHT NOW, AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S IN MY JUSTIFICATION LETTER INSIDE THE, UH, THE BINDER.

THE PROBLEM THAT I HAVE RIGHT NOW IS I HAVE A, I HAVE A PATROL CAPTAIN AND I HAVE A PATROL LIEUTENANT AND, UH, THE PATROL CAPTAIN SUPERVISES THE PATROL LIEUTENANT, BUT HE ALSO SUPERVISES ANIMAL PATROL.

HE SUPERVISES DISPATCH.

UM, HE'S ALSO THE ONES THAT DO ALL THE MAINTENANCE ON OUR VEHICLES AS FAR AS INSTALLING, UH, ALL THE HARDWARE.

UM, HE'S OUR IT CAPTAIN BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY IT PERSONNEL AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

SO HE TAKES THAT RESPONSIBILITY ON HIMSELF AND, UH, WORKS HAND IN HAND WITH JAMES AND HIS PEOPLE.

UM, HE'S THE ONE THAT GETS CALLED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT OR ON THE WEEKEND IF THEY'RE HAVING A COMPUTER PROBLEM.

AND SO HE IS WAY OVERLOADED.

AND SO I NEED THIS LIEUTENANT TO COME IN THERE AND HELP TAKE SOME OF THE BURDEN OFF OF HIM SO I CAN ACTUALLY GET HIM DOING WHAT I NEED HIM TO DO.

I NEED HIM TO BE DOING CAPTAIN THINGS, NOT SERGEANT THINGS, NOT LIEUTENANT THINGS, NOT SUPERVISOR THINGS.

UM, AND SO THIS WOULD, THIS WOULD MAKE A, A HUGE CHANGE IN THE DYNAMIC OF OUR PATROL DIVISION COMING UP THIS YEAR.

NEXT YEAR WE WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR FOUR MORE DEPUTIES, UM, ADDING ONE TO EACH SHIFT.

ONE C I D INVESTIGATOR.

UH, IT'S BEEN QUITE A WHILE SINCE WE'VE ADDED A C I D INVESTIGATOR THAT THE COUNTY HASN'T, WE HAVEN'T ASKED FOR A C D INVESTIGATOR IN A LONG TIME.

UM, THERE THOSE GUYS ARE WORKING 3, 4, 500, 600 CASES A YEAR, WHICH IS JUST UNSUSTAINABLE.

UM, AND WE NEED TO PUT A LITTLE HELP IN THERE.

TRANSPORT DEPUTY, WE ARE GETTING OVERRUN WITH MENTALS.

WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD TO START USING OUR PATROL GUYS TO RUN MINES, UM, AND PAY THEM OVERTIME WAGES TO RUN SOME OF THOSE RENTALS BECAUSE WE HAVE FREE TRANSPORT DEPUTIES AND IT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO NOT ONLY DO THE MENTAL AS MUCH AS THEY CAN, BUT ALSO THE JUVENILE DETAINEES.

AND THEN, UH, DO ALL THE TRANSPORTS FROM TARRANT COUNTY, CALIFORNIA, WHEREVER, WHEREVER THAT MAY BE.

THAT'S GONE THROUGH THE ROOF, HASN'T IT? YES, SIR.

THAT NUMBER.

CHIEF, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FOR ONE MENTAL PATIENT TO TRANSPORT THEM? GOOD QUESTION.

IT DEPENDS.

ON AVERAGE IS ABOUT FOUR HOURS.

UH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

WE GO AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, RED RIVER, WICHITA FALLS, I MEAN, WE'VE WENT EAST TEXAS.

IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHERE THEY CAN FIND A BED, RIGHT? THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

BOTTOM THE BED.

YEAH, IT IS.

WHEN YOU GET THERE, THE BED'S GONE.

WE, UH, WE HAD A DEPUTY SITTING ON ONE, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE FOUR HOURS OR, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE TWO DAYS.

JUST DEPENDS.

THEY SAID THERE'S A BED AVAILABLE, WE FIND HIM A BED, YOU GET THERE AND THEN THE BED'S GONE.

WE'RE GETTING OVERLOADED.

SO, UM, WARRANT DEPUTY, WHENEVER WE, UH, DOWNSIZE OUR WARRANT DIVISION, WE REPURPOSE THOSE PEOPLE.

WE PUT ONE IN, UH, TRANSPORT THAT ADDED TO THE THIRD PERSON.

THE OTHER PERSON WE MOVED TO PATROL.

WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FILL THAT POSITION BECAUSE WE'VE HAD SOME TURNOVER.

UM, BUT WE DO HAVE THAT POSITION.

THERE'S A GREAT NEED FOR WARRANT DEPUTIES, UH, COUNTY'S OUR SIMILAR SIZE OR LARGER.

TARRANT COUNTY OBVIOUSLY IS A HUGE COUNTY, BUT YOU KNOW, IT HAS 22 WARRANT DEPUTIES.

UM, WE HAVE A, A LOT OF WARRANT CASES THAT COME THROUGH AS, I DON'T KNOW, 10, 12, 15 WARRANTS A DAY THAT GET ADDED TO OUR STACK.

UM, PATROL DOES A GREAT JOB OF SERVING THOSE WHEN THEY CAN, BUT WE NEED DEDICATED PERSONNEL THERE TO, UH, BE OUT THERE SERVING THOSE WARRANTS AND GETTING THOSE PEOPLE ARRESTED AND PUT IN JAIL.

UH, THIS WOULD ADD, UH, ANOTHER WARRANT DEPUTY AND WOULD MAKE IT A LOT SAFER TO HAVE TWO GUYS OUT THERE SERVING WARRANTS AT THE SAME TIME, UM, AS A BACKUP INSTEAD OF US HAVING TO PULL A PATROL DEPUTY TO GO OUT THERE OR A C CID INVESTIGATOR OR ANOTHER AGENCY.

ANIMAL CONTROL IS A BIG ONE.

IT, UH, WE CONTINUE TO GROW.

WE CONTINUE TO GET MORE PEOPLE, WE CONTINUE TO GET MORE ANIMALS.

UM, OUR BIGGEST CALL LOAD IS ANIMAL CONTROL.

UM, HANDS DOWN WE GET MORE ANIMAL CONTROL CALLS AND WE DO A LOT OF TIMES POLICE CALLS WHEN THE GUY, UH, GUYS AND GALS IN ANIMAL CONTROL CHECK ON IN THE MORNING.

THEY HAVE CALLS HOLDING AND THEY RUN ALL THE TIME.

UH, WARRANT CLERK, WE HAVE TWO RIGHT NOW, BUT ONE OF 'EM ACTUALLY DOES NOTHING BUT, UM, PROTECTIVE ORDERS AND BOND CONDITIONS.

UM, HER JOB IS TO DO THAT ALL THE DAY, ALL, ALL,

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ALL DAY LONG.

UM, WITH THE ADDITIONAL CREASE AND UM, THE AMOUNT OF PROCESSES COMING OUTTA THE COURTS, WE WE'RE GETTING BACKED UP.

SO WE'RE GONNA ASK FOR, UH, WARRANT CLERK POSITION THERE AND THEN CONTINUE ON WITH THE 5% INCREASE IN POPULATION ESTIMATES.

UM, WE WOULD BE UP TO, IF THESE, IF THESE POSITIONS WERE APPROVED, WE'D BE UP TO 0.95 OFFICERS PER 1000 CITIZENS.

DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER SECTION IN HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE, UH, ANIMAL SHELTER OR YES, SIR.

YEAH, THAT'S IN 5 66.

THAT'S WHAT I HAVE A QUESTION.

WHERE, WHERE DID YOU GET THE 5% ESTIMATE FROM? UH, 5% IS BASED ON, OKAY, SO DPS LOCAL, IT IS DPS, UM, THE WAY THAT THEY CALCULATE THEIR POPULATIONS ON THEIR WEBSITE, WHEN YOU GO TO CGI, THE CGIS WEBSITE, THEY HAVE, UH, A SPREADSHEET OF ALL THE COUNTIES IN THE STATE OF TEXAS MM-HMM.

, AND IT SHOWS HOW MANY, UH, WHAT THE POPULATION THAT IS SERVED BY THAT SPECIFIC AGENCY INCORPORATED, NON INCORPORATED THAT.

I, I GUESS WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M DIALING IN AT, I THINK IS DO WE HAVE A GOOD FEEL FOR WHERE PARKER COUNTY IS TRENDING? CAUSE I WOULD SUSPECT ARE NON INCORPORATED POPULATION HAS A DECENT CHANCE OF INCREASING BY MORE THAN 5%.

I WAS BEING VERY CONSERVATIVE.

SO YOU'RE LOWER THAN THAT.

NO, NO, I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE HIGHER THAN THAT.

I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A LOT HIGHER THAN THAT.

IT'S GONNA PUT OUR RATIO LOWER, LOW.

WHICH IS NOT PREFERABLE.

UM, THIS IS JUST, YES, SIR.

THIS IS JUST KIND OF A, HISTORICALLY, I'VE WORKED AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE 30 YEARS AND THERE'S NEVER BEEN A PLAN GOING FORWARD.

IT'S ALWAYS, WELL, WHAT CAN WE GET? YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN WE ASK THE COURT? WHAT DO WE THINK THEY'RE GONNA APPROVE? AND YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT'S JUST NOT THE WAY TO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE.

AND WE SAT DOWN AND WE SAID, OKAY, WHERE ARE OUR NEEDS GONNA BE? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 YEARS FROM NOW? WHERE DO WE THINK THE BIGGEST GROWTH IS GONNA BE AND WHERE DO WE NEED THE MOST HELP? UM, YEAH, I WAS CONSERVATIVE WITH THE 5%.

UH, I THINK IT ALSO BE MORE THAN THAT.

NOW EVERYBODY'S A CALL TAKER, EVERYBODY'S A DISPATCHER.

UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU HAVE TO BE REALISTIC ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE GONNA ASK FOR.

SO THAT'S WHERE I COME UP WITH 5%.

THE, THE BIGGEST GROWTH IN THE COUNTY IS GONNA BE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

AND YOU CAN'T, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE SHEET THAT I PUT TOGETHER, YOU CAN'T REALLY CLASSIFY PARKER COUNTY WITH ANY OTHER, A ANY OTHER COUNTY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.

UM, IF YOU LOOK AT AGENCY POPULATION, YOU'VE GOT COUNTIES LIKE THAT'S THE POLICE.

THOSE COUNTIES HAVE A MUCH GREATER POPULATION, COUNTYWIDE COUNTY WISE, BUT THEY, YOU KNOW, AS, AS OPPOSED TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

AND THEN WHEN YOU GO DOWN TO THE NEXT ONE, YOU LOOK AT, UM, THE COUNTIES THAT AS FAR AS THE SAME SIZE COUNTY POPULATION, YOU LUMP, UH, PARKER IN WITH MIDLAND COUNTY, ECTRA COUNTY, RANDALL TAYLOR, GRAYSON AL.

SO THERE'S LOOKING AT, LOOKING AT HOW PARKER COUNTY IS NOW AND LOOKING AT THE FUTURE, THE COUNTY'S GONNA EXPLODE AND THE MAJORITY OF THE POPULATION IS GONNA BE IN UNINCORPORATED PARTS OF THE COUNTY.

AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT POLICING.

UM, AND SO I THINK THAT IF WE DON'T GET IN FRONT OF IT, WE'RE GONNA BE WAY BEHIND THE BALL.

AND SO THAT'S WHY WE PUT THIS FIVE YEAR PLAN TOGETHER TO TRY TO TRY TO GET SOME SOMETHING IN, IN PLACE, UH, AND LET THE COURT KNOW THAT THIS IS WHERE WE'D LIKE TO GO IN THE FUTURE, UH, FOR THE 25 26 BUDGET.

SO AT THIS POINT THERE WOULD BE 13 DEPUTIES PER SHIFT.

UM, THAT'S TOO MANY FOR ONE SERGEANT TO MANAGE.

EVEN WITH TWO CORPORALS, 13, 13, 14 PEOPLE.

THAT'S TOO MUCH.

THE SPAN OF CONTROL IS JUST TOO GREAT.

SO THIS WOULD BE A PIVOTAL YEAR FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

AND I THINK THIS IS THE YEAR WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO BREAK, UH, OUR PATROL DIVISION OUT INTO TWO DIFFERENT SERGEANT DISTRICTS, A NORTH DISTRICT AND A SOUTH DISTRICT.

UM, WE WOULD ASK FOR FOUR NEW SERGEANT POSITIONS AND FOUR NEW CORPORAL POSITIONS.

UM, AND WE WOULD STAGGER, OBVIOUSLY YOU'D HAVE AN JUST, IT'D STILL BE 12 HOUR SHIFTS JUST LIKE IT IS NOW, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE A SERGEANT AND HIS DISTRICT RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING NORTH OF I 2180.

AND THEN SERGEANT SOUTH, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE MORE CALL VOLUME IN THE NORTH, SO THERE WOULD BE MORE PEOPLE ON THE NORTH DISTRICT SHIFT THAN THERE WOULD BE ON THE SOUTH.

THIS IS ALSO THE POINT TO WHERE IF ONCE WE TRANSITION TO THAT, WE WOULD REALLY NEED TO TRANSITION TO A DIFFERENT, UH, DYNAMIC IN DISPATCH.

UH, RIGHT

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YOU MAY TAKE A NINE ONE ONE CALL AND BE TALKING ON THE RADIO.

I THINK AT THIS POINT WHERE YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO BREAK THESE TWO DISTRICTS OUT, YOU HAVE TO CHANGE, YOU HAVE TO TRANSITION OVER FROM THE WAY WE DO IT NOW TO DEDICATED CALL TAKERS AND DEDICATED DISPATCHERS.

UM, YOU NEED MORE CALL TAKERS THAN YOU DO DISPATCHERS, BUT WE RUN THREE AND SOMETIMES FOUR CHANNELS NOW AT THE SAME TIME.

SO WE WOULD HAVE TO PLAN FOR THAT AND WE WOULD'VE TO BUILD OUR DISPATCH, UM, FORCE OUT TO HANDLE THAT KIND OF TRANSITION.

UM, WE WOULD ALSO HAVE TO GET WITH SEAN AND FIGURE OUT THE RADIO SYSTEM BECAUSE AT THAT POINT WE HAVE ONE MAIN CHANNEL.

NOW WE'D HAVE TO HAVE TWO MAIN CHANNELS, THEN WE'D HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY WORKING THE NORTH CHANNEL, SOMEBODY WORKING THE SOUTH CHANNEL.

SO IT WOULD BE A HUGE TRANSITION, BUT THIS IS THE ONLY WAY GOING FORWARD WHERE WE CAN PUT THAT MANY POLICE OFFICERS OUT ON THE STREET AND STILL HAVE SOME SPAN OF CONTROL AND BE ABLE TO MANAGE WHAT THEY DO AND MANAGE THEIR TIME.

UH, THE OTHER THING WE'D ASK FOR HERE AS A CLERK, UM, WE'RE ALREADY, NOW WE'VE GOT OUR FINANCES SPREAD OUT BETWEEN FOUR PEOPLE THAT DO POS AND MANAGE, UM, REQUISITIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THIS IS WHERE WE WOULD, I WOULD WANT TO TRANSITION TO ACTUALLY HIRE A CLERK TO START DOING THAT FOR US.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AT THIS POINT, THERE'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, IF THESE POSITIONS ARE APPROVED, 123 SWORN OFFICERS THAT WOULD'VE PUSHED, PUSHED THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO SOMEWHERE AROUND 150, 160 PEOPLE.

UM, THEY WOULD ALSO HELP US OUT WITH HR.

RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, WE RELY HEAVILY ON THE TREASURER'S OFFICE FOR OUR HR STUFF, BUT EVEN TO THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT THREE, 400 OTHER PEOPLE THAT THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

UM, IF THESE BUDGETS ARE APPROVED OR IF THESE REQUESTS ARE APPROVED, AND, UH, CALCULATING 5% INCREASE, THIS WILL PUT US AT 0.9, UH, SEVEN OFFICERS PER 1000.

AND I, I'M GOING TO DIGRESS JUST VERY BRIEFLY.

UH, WE CURRENTLY PROVIDE, UH, POLICE SERVICE FOR THE CITY OF ALITO.

YES SIR.

AND THAT HAS NOT CHANGED FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

IS THERE A, HAS THERE BEEN A INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS THAT THEY'VE CONTRACTED WITH OR WE'VE INCREASED THAT AT ALL? THEY'VE, UM, THEY ADDED, THEY WENT FROM TWO TO THREE ABOUT FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO.

IT'S BEEN A WHILE.

UM, I KNOW THEY ARE ACTIVELY LOOKING AT STARTING UP THEIR OWN POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THEY'VE ASKED US, ASKED US FOR SOME NUMBERS AND STUFF, AND WE'RE GIVING THEM, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER ASSISTANCE WE CAN TO START GETTING THAT ACTIVE RENO, ALI ALITO.

ALITO ALITO.

UM, IT'S A DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD BECAUSE WE GET, WE GET FUNDING FROM THAT, BUT THEN AGAIN, AS DENSITY IS DRAMATICALLY GROWING WITH THE, THE, UH, PROXIMITY TO FORT WORTH, UM, THE DEMAND THAT, THAT THEY REALLY SHOULD HAVE, THERE IS MUCH MORE THAN THAT I WOULD THINK.

BUT IT'S A BUDGETARY ISSUE WITH THEM.

I UNDERSTAND.

BUT THEY, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVING THEIR OWN POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEN THAT PUTS US STRAIGHT ON US AND THEN THEY'RE TRYING TO POLICE THAT AREA OUT THERE.

IT'S GOTTA BE A CHALLENGE ON YOU GUYS.

WELL, WELL, THEY ARE PAYING FOR THREE, THREE OFFICERS.

SO YEAH.

THEY'RE GETTING KIND OF BASICALLY PART-TIME SERVICES AND ALITO PROPER IS WHAT, MAYBE 5,000 PEOPLE.

SO IT'S NOT HUGE, BUT ALITO AREA, THEY'RE HOME ROLL.

THEY'RE HOME ROLL NOW GETTING, YES.

SO THEY'RE OVER 5,000.

SO, YES.

AND, AND IF THEY'RE GONNA START OUR OWN POLICE DEPARTMENT, I TELL 'EM I'D BE THEIR BIGGEST FAN.

I'LL BE THEIR BIGGEST REPORTER.

WE'LL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO HELP THEM.

UM, BUT YES, AND I KNOW, I KNOW THAT'S ON THEIR MINDS AND, UH, I THINK THAT'S WHERE THEY WANT TO HEAD.

AND, UH, LIKE I SAID, WE WILL CERTAINLY, CERTAINLY HELP THEM.

BUT IN THE MEANTIME, YES.

LET'S JUST ROWING AREA.

SO THEY GET MORE THAN, THAN THE THREE OFFICERS, LIKE THREE OFFICERS CANNOT COVER 24 7.

CORRECT.

I MEAN, THERE, THERE'S SLACK TIMES WHERE WE SEND OUR PEOPLE IN.

IF ANYTHING ELSE HAPPENS, WE'LL SEND OUR CRIME SCENE FOLKS IN, OR OUR UNDERCOVER FOLKS IN.

WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO, WE'RE GONNA DO.

SO, THANKS, RUSS.

AND THOSE, THOSE ALITO, THOSE OFFICERS DISPATCHED OVER TO ALITO TYPICALLY HAVE ONE OF THOSE RADAR GUNS, .

THEY, THEY NORMALLY DO HAVE ONE OF THOSE HANDHELD, YES.

YEP.

I FIGURED THAT'S WHERE ONE OF THEM, I THINK THEY'VE BEEN HITTING 1187.

PRETTY HARD.

BE CAREFUL.

BE CAREFUL, MIKE.

UM, AND THEN THE, THE LAST YEAR OF OUR FIVE YEAR PLAN IS BASICALLY JUST ADDING ONE DEPUTY PER SHIFT, PER DISTRICT.

UH, ADDING A NEW INVESTIGATOR, TWO NEW, POTENTIALLY TWO NEW DISPATCHERS, NEW WARRANT DEPUTIES POSITION.

UM, THIS DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ANY NEW EQUIPMENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, OBVIOUSLY.

UM, THE, THAT'S OTHER THING WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IS WE'RE OUTTA A ROOM AT THE SHERIFF'S

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OFFICE.

WE, UH, WE HAVE EXACTLY TWO OFFICES, WELL, A CUBICLE AND AN OFFICE THAT ARE STILL AVAILABLE IF WE KICK THE RANGER OUT OF THE BUILDING.

UM, SO THE ONLY SPACE THAT WE HAVE IS, IS ONE CUBICLE IN, IN C I D.

UM, I HAVE FORWARDED YOU AND I'VE TALKED TO, UM, BRIANNA AND KIM ABOUT THIS, BUT WE'RE, UM, WE'RE ASKING FOR, OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW WE'RE NOT GONNA GET ANY NEW FACILITIES ANYTIME SOON.

UM, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE, BUT AT THIS POINT WE'RE OUTTA A ROOM AND WE NEED MORE SPACE.

WE DO HAVE ABOUT THREE QUARTERS AN ACRE ACROSS THE SHERIFF STREET FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

WE'D LIKE TO DO IS KNOCK DOWN A COUPLE TREES AND LEASE A, UH, A TEMPORARY BUILDING, UH, TO PUT SOME INVESTIGATIVE STAFF OVER THERE AND, UH, MOVE OUR PATROL DIVISION OVER THERE.

YOU'RE WANTING THAT IN YEAR FIVE OR NOW? I WANT IT NOW, YES, SIR.

IS THAT IN, IN, IN LIEU OF THE, BY THE WOODFORD PD BUILDING, UH, FOR THE SEVEN OFFICERS THAT WE GOING THERE, IS THAT IN LIEU OF THAT AS WELL, OR NO, THAT, THAT'S KIND OF A WASH IN THE, THE FACILITY THEY'RE AT NOW, WHICH THE COUNTY OWNS, WHICH WILL PROBABLY BE TORN DOWN IF WE'RE ABLE TO MOVE THEM OUT.

IT'S THAT KIND OF THAT DILAPIDATED, UH, HOUSE OVER THERE.

UM, NOW THIS IS OBVIOUSLY THE, THE GREAT GROWTH THAT WE'VE BEEN GETTING AND THE SUPPORT FROM THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT.

WE'RE, WE'RE BUSTING AT THE SEA AND WE KNOW THAT.

AND IF WE GET MORE DISPATCHERS AND MORE FOLKS AND IF WE CAN MOVE OUR PATROL AND, UH, SOME INVESTIGATORS ACROSS THE STREET IN THE TEMPORARY, WE CAN EXPAND OUR COMMUNICATION DIVISION RIGHT IN THERE.

SO WE CAN GET MORE STATIONS IN THERE AND UTILIZE THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

IT'S JUST AN OPTION TO CONSIDER.

NO, NO, IT'S GOOD.

UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR POTENTIAL FIVE YEAR PLAN? IF NOT, I'LL GET BACK ON TASK.

UM, GOING BACK TO THE, UH, NON CAP EQUIPMENT, A LOT OF THIS STUFF IS NORMAL STUFF WE ASK FOR EVERY YEAR.

SOFT BODY ARMOR, WE'RE REQUESTING SOME BREACHING TOOLS.

UM, WE WANNA PUT ONE OF THOSE IN EACH, EACH PATROL CAR AND EACH SRO VEHICLE, UM, TRAUMA KITS, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT.

THE STUFF THAT WE GET EVERY YEAR.

AND THEN THE IT STUFF IS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WITH JAMES REPLACING SOME LAPTOPS, PATROL LAPTOPS, AND, UH, SOME COMPUTERS THERE AND INSIDE PATROL.

UH, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT PATROL? UH, I'D LIKE TO GO BACK A LITTLE BIT WHERE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU HAD MENTIONED ON THE, THE MENTAL, THE TRANSFERS AND HOW MUCH THAT'S REALLY STRESSING OUR RESOURCES.

UM, A LOT THAT, THAT I'VE BEEN GETTING IN OUR TRAINING THIS YEAR FROM THE COMMISSIONERS INT IS THESE UNFUNDED STATE MANDATES.

AND I WAS WONDERING IF YOU, YOU'VE HEARD, OR ARE THERE MANDATES FROM THE STATE LEVEL REGARDING OUR, OUR, UH, MENTAL CASES THAT ARE CAUSING US TO DO A LOT MORE WITHOUT THE US BEING OR GETTING SOME FUNDING FROM THE STATE LEVEL? OR DO YOU KNOW? IT'S ALWAYS A HOT TOPIC DOWN IN AUSTIN.

, THERE'S ALWAYS A LOT OF LAWS OR MILL THROWN AT IT.

AND THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ACTIVITY THAT REALLY OCCURS ON IT AS FAR AS THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN IN THE PAST TWO OR FOUR YEARS, THERE'S BEEN SOME ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS OF THE MAGISTRATES THINGS THAT THEY HAVE TO DO AND THE JAIL STAFF.

UM, BUT AS FAR AS LAW ENFORCEMENT, NOT REALLY.

THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WE HAVE IS FINDING BEDS.

UM, I KNOW THE COURT OR THE, THE STATE, UM, PUT IN THE BUDGET FOR I THINK 200 ADDITIONAL BEDS, BUT THEY NEED MORE LIKE 12,000 ADDITIONAL BEDS TO ACTUALLY HANDLE.

NOW, COMMISSIONER BY LAW, WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN MANDATED, UH, TO DO THAT.

ANYBODY WHO COULD BE A HARM TO THEMSELVES OR OTHERS, YOU KNOW, MAY NOT HAVE COMMITTED A CRIME, UH, WE'RE GONNA GET THAT PERSON SOME HELP.

AND THERE ARE MORE OF THOSE NOW.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S JUST DUE TO POPULATION.

IT'S THE TYPE OF POPULATION AND WHERE THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE COMING THROUGH DRUG PSYCHOSIS AND, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE JUST MESSING THEMSELVES UP.

WE HAVE A LOT MORE FOLKS WITH MENTAL PROBLEMS THAN WE USED TO HAVE.

COMMENT ABOUT THAT, I THINK, UH, AMARILLO POTTER COUNTY, UM, HAS RECEIVED FUNDING TO BUILD A NEW HOSPITAL THERE.

AND WE'VE GOT TO TAKE CARE OF THEM.

AND JAIL'S NOT ALWAYS THE OPTION, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, IF THEY DIDN'T COMMIT A CRIME, WE CAN'T JUST LET 'EM GO IF WE THINK THEY'RE GONNA HURT THEMSELVES.

SO, BUT IS IT UNFUNDED MANDATE? NO, IT'S JUST A GROWING OKAY.

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THE STATE IS GOING TO, THEY'VE BEEN HAVING TO BRING THEIRS AS FAR AS WITA FALLS OR WHEREVER THEY COULD FIND SOMEBODY AS WELL.

SO IT MAY FREE UP SOME MORE BED SPACE UP THERE WHEN THAT IS COMPLETED THROUGH LEGISLATION THIS YEAR.

GOT IT.

AND ANOTHER ANOTHER POINT TO THAT, WE DO HAVE, UH, WHENEVER WE HAVE COMPETENCY HEARINGS, YOU KNOW, FOR PEOPLE IN THE JAIL IS IT DOES SOMETIMES TAKE US UP TO A YEAR TO GET A, GET THEM INTO A BAD, UM, JUST SO THEY CAN BECOME COMPETENT SO THEY CAN ACTUALLY STAND TRIAL.

UM, SO THERE'S, THE BED SPACE IS EXTREMELY LIMITED, ESPECIALLY FOR IN CUSTODY.

UH, I, I DID FORGET TO POINT OUT ON THE PROPOSED STAFFING INCREASE FOR OUR FIFTH YEAR, THAT WOULD ADD A NEW CAPTAIN'S POSITION AND A NEW PATROL LIEUTENANT'S POSITION.

AT THAT POINT, PATROL BECOMES TOO BIG TO MANAGE FOR ONE CAPTAIN, SO WE'D HAVE TO BREAK ALL THAT OUT.

UM, AND YOU'LL NOTICE IN, IN THE, THE FACT SHEET ON THE SECOND PAGE, UH, THERE'S A COMPARATIVE BETWEEN US AND WEATHERFORD PD AS FAR AS HOW MANY SWORN IN SUPERVISORS THEY HAD IN THAT RATIO.

WE'RE NOT, UH, OVERLY BURDENED WITH SUPERVISORS.

UM, WE'RE PRETTY SPARSE.

AND SO, BUT AS YOU ADD THAT MUCH STAFF, UH, YOU HAVE TO ADD SOME SUPERVISION TO IT.

IT'S KIND OF EXTRA.

SAME WITH THAT, THAT LEGISLA NEW LEGISLATION THAT WENT INTO EFFECT THAT CITIES CAN'T ANNEX IS WHAT THEY USED TO COULD, WHICH MEANS IT STAYS ON US TO DO THAT.

AND THAT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE.

NO, SIR.

UM, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE WOULD BE THROUGHOUT THE STATE, MORE SUPPORT FROM THE STATE ON THE NEED OF THAT, BECAUSE WE'RE ROUGHLY ON AVERAGE ABOUT 16% OF PEOPLE'S, UH, TAX BILL.

AND THERE'S THIS PERCEPTION OUT THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY GET THEIR TAX INCREASES, IT'S ACCOUNTING, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THAT.

UM, THERE SHOULD BE SOME KIND AND THERE SHOULD BE SOME TYPE OF LOBBYING TO THAT FOR SOME SUPPORT TO THE COUNTY TO OFFSET WHAT THAT IS.

CUZ HISTORICALLY IT'S BEEN, WE, THEY WOULD ANNEX IT WOULD PHASE OUT AND IT WOULD BE THEIR RESPONSIBILITY THEN TO POLICE THAT AND COVER THAT.

THAT IS NOT THE CASE ANYMORE.

AND HERE WE ARE TODAY, HAVING THE DISCUSSION THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NEEDING NEW OFFICERS BECAUSE DENSITY IS GROWING DRAMATICALLY.

WE'RE NOT NUMBER NINE IN THE NATION.

AND GROWTH, YOU'RE TASKED WITH THE FACT THAT, UH, THE DENSITY IS GROWING OUR COLLABORATE, THE, THE CALL TIMES IS GETTING MORE OF A CHALLENGE AND SHOULD BE SOME TYPE OF SUPPORT FROM OUR LEGISLATORS ON THIS THAT WE SHOULD REACH OUT TO THAT, UH, TRYING TO HELP US WITHOUT JUST BECOMING AN ISSUE.

THEN MORE AND MORE OF OUR, AS IT SHOULD WITH PUBLIC SAFETY TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THAT GROWTH.

BUT IT'S GONNA BECOME OVER YOUR FIVE YEAR PLAN, IT'S GONNA BE MORE AND MORE OF A CHALLENGE.

I WOULD, I WOULD THINK.

ABSOLUTELY.

UH, ON THAT TOPIC, I DID HAVE A, I DID SPEAK WITH THE DEPUTY CHIEF AT THE PD AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR PARENTS STRUGGLES AND STUFF, AND HE TOLD ME THAT THEY HAD ASKED FOR A 15% ACROSS THE BOARD AND RAISE, UH, FOR THEIR, THEIR EMPLOYEES.

AND THEY'RE GONNA ASK FOR FOUR PEOPLE EVERY YEAR FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS.

UH, FOUR OFFICERS JUST SO THEY KIND OF MAKES YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT WHERE THEY'RE AT.

AND, UM, PART OF THAT WAS I SENT OUT THE, UM, EVERY YEAR NORRIS AND HILLS DOES THAT SALARY STRUCTURE, A SALARY REVIEW, UH, FOR ALL THOSE AGENCIES.

UM, YOU LOOK THROUGH THAT, YOU CAN TELL THAT WEATHERFORD IS DEFINITELY DOWN ON THE LOW END OF THE SCALE.

TRAINING'S PRETTY SIMPLE.

, UM, I'VE HAD TWO, TWO DEPUTIES LEAVE WITHIN THE PAST TWO MONTHS TO GO TO DIFFERENT AGENCIES.

I GOT ONE THAT'S GONNA TURN'S LETTER IN TOMORROW TO GO TO ANOTHER AGENCY.

SO, UM, THE STRUGGLE FOR, FOR ALL OUR AGENCIES ACROSS THE DFW AREA IS GETTING THOSE PEOPLE IN PLACE AND GETTING, GETTING QUALIFIED PEOPLE HIRED AND TRAINED.

UM, IT'S GONNA BE A LOT EASIER FOR POLICE DEPARTMENTS THAT DON'T HAVE TO GROW VERY FAST AS OPPOSED TO SHERIFF'S OFFICE WHO HAS TO GROW EXPONENTIALLY 5 64 TRAINING.

UM, NOT A LOT OF INCREASE HERE.

BOOKS AND PUBLICATIONS WE ONLY DO EVERY OTHER YEAR BECAUSE WE HAVE TO REFRESH ALL OF OUR BOOKS WITH ALL THE NEW LAWS OR THE CHANGES TO THE LAWS THAT COME OUT.

UM, AT THE END OF EVERY, UH, SESSION DOWN IN AUSTIN, UH, WE JUST A LITTLE INCREASE IN TRAINING BECAUSE WE HAVE TO TRAIN NEW PEOPLE.

WE GOT NEW PEOPLE COMING IN AND GOING, UM, AMMUNITION, JUST NORMAL, STANDARD EQUIPMENT, UH, THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, FOR TRAINING.

WE, UH, SPEND A LOT OF MONEY FOR OUR TRAINING DIVISION, BUT IT SAVES THE COUNTY A EXPONENTIALLY A LOT

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OF MONEY.

UM, OUR SOFTWARE ACCESS, OUR, UH, OTIS, OR NOT OTIS, I'M SORRY.

UM, OUR OSS ACADEMY IS ONLINE ACADEMY THAT ALLOWS OUR EMPLOYEES TO DO ONLINE TRAINING.

UM, MATTER OF FACT, I GOT ALL MY TRAINING HOURS ON OTIS THIS YEAR, UH, I'M SORRY, ON OSS.

UM, WE COVER THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THEIR OFFICERS ALSO, AND THEN, UH, OUR RESERVES, UM, IF YOU, WHENEVER YOU TALK ABOUT TRAINING POLICE OFFICERS, YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE, THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THEY HAVE TO TRAIN, WHETHER IT BE AN EIGHT HOUR CLASS OR A TWO DAY CLASS OR WHATEVER.

CUZ YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PROBABLY PAY 'EM TO GO TO IT.

YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO BUY 'EM LUNCH.

YOU'RE PROBABLY HAVE TO PAY FOR THE FUEL BACK AND FORTH.

AND, UM, THIS ALLOWS US TO GET A LOT OF OUR TRAINING HOURS ONLINE AND SAVE US THOSE ADDITIONAL COSTS.

UH, AND, AND ALLOWS US TO SPEND OUR LIMITED RESOURCES FOR TRAINING ON SPECIALIZED COURSES FOR OUR SPECIALIZED FOLKS LIKE OUR, UH, CRIME SCENE FOLKS, OUR HOMICIDE INVESTIGATORS, OUR SUPERVISORS TO MAKE 'EM BETTER SUPERVISORS.

A LOT OF TIMES WE HAVE TO SEND THOSE PEOPLE OUT OF STATE BECAUSE THEY CAN NOT NECESSARILY, CAN'T ALWAYS FIND THOSE TYPES OF TRAINING IN STATE OR LOCAL.

AND SO WE'D MUCH RATHER SPEND OUR TRAINING, LIMITED TRAINING FUNDS ON THOSE TYPES OF COURSES.

SO THIS SAVES THE COUNTY A LOT OF MONEY.

SO, QUESTION FOR YOU, SIR.

THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT OF VIDEOS RUNNING AROUND WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S OBVIOUSLY DEAD BIT AND IT'S AMAZING THAT THEY START THE CAMERA.

IT SEEMS LIKE AFTER THE CONFRONTATION'S ALREADY BEEN GOING AND YOU SEE ALL THIS CHATTER ABOUT DEESCALATION AND TRAINING AROUND THAT.

CAN YOU, CAN YOU SPEAK SOME ON KIND OF, UH, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES EARLIER.

CAN YOU SPEAK SOME ON THE SO'S PLAN OR, OR OUTLOOK ON TRAINING REGARDING DEESCALATION AND ADDRESSING MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES AS, AS THOSE CROP UP MORE AND MORE IN THE COUNTY? WELL, WE, UM, WE DO HAVE, UH, AT ONE TIME WE HAD ALL OF OUR TROLL OFFICERS, UM, HAD GONE THROUGH MENTAL HEALTH PEACE OFFICER COURSE.

OBVIOUSLY WITH THE TURNOVER, UH, THOSE PEOPLE COME AND GO, BUT THAT'S ALWAYS, UH, TOP PRIORITY IS TO GET THIS.

THE PROBLEM WITH THAT COURSE IS THE 40 HOUR COURSE, CAN I ADDRESS THAT AS WELL? 40 40.

WOW.

UH, COMMISSIONER HOLT, WE, UH, WENT THROUGH A SITUATION WHERE WE HAD A MENTAL HEALTH CASE WHERE THE PER THE WARD WAS, WAS, WAS PULLED OVER BY A, UH, A CITY PD AND THEY WERE NOT AWARE.

AND SO WE WENT THROUGH THE, WERE Y'ALL IN THE MEETING? I WENT TO AN ADDRESSED, IT WAS A, A LAW ENFORCEMENT MEETING THAT THEY WERE, IT WAS ALL THE LAW ENFORCEMENT TALKING ABOUT IS THERE TRAINING TO WHERE IS, COULD THERE BE A BADGE OR SOMETHING TO WHERE THEY, THEY'D BEEN THROUGH A SITUATION OR THERE BIPOLAR, BIPOLAR WHERE THEY'RE DEALING WITH PECAN VALLEY AND, AND UH, THERE WAS ALMOST A DEFENSIVE POSTURE IN THAT ROOM FOR A MOMENT ABOUT PROTECTING THE OFFICER WAS PARALYZED.

AND SO THERE STILL IS AN ISSUE WITH THE, THE IDENTIFYING OF THAT BEING A MENTAL PATIENT.

AND THAT IS STILL A GROWING NEED WITH THE TRAININGS YOU, YOU'VE HAD, THAT CONTINUES TO BE A CHALLENGE IN THIS COUNTY WITH THESE, THESE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES PULLING SOMEBODY OVER.

UH, THIS ENDED UP BEING A VERY DEVASTATING SITUATION FOR THAT, THAT PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL.

AND SO, UH, THERE NEEDS TO BE A CONTINUED PUSH FOR THAT AND, UH, COMMEND YOU FOR DOING THAT AND GOING THROUGH THAT TRAINING.

BECAUSE NOT ALL THOSE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES, AND I'M NOT KNOCKING THEM AT ALL, BUT THEY DO NOT GO, GO THROUGH THAT.

THEY'RE MORE FOCUSED ON THEIR PROTECTION AND MAKING SURE THEY'RE TAKING CARE OF THEMSELVES THAT THEY DON'T UNDERSTANDABLY SO.

BUT THERE IS A NEED FOR THAT WITH HOW WE IDENTIFY THAT PARTICULAR PERSON BECAUSE THE, THE MENTALS IN THIS COURT, UH, HAS, I MEAN, QUADRUPLED OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS AT LEAST.

SO IT IS A CHALLENGE.

IT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION.

UM, DEESCALATION TRAINING IS REQUIRED, UM, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT.

THE EVERYBODY WHO'S GOING THROUGH THE ACADEMY NOW HAS TO HAVE IT.

YOU OFFER THAT FOR COMMISSIONERS ALSO? WE CAN, WE CAN PUT EVERYBODY IN A RED MAN SUIT.

UH, NO, I, I'M JUST CURIOUS.

THE, THE 40 HOUR COURSE FOR MENTAL HEALTH IDENTIFICATION.

MENTAL HEALTH PEACE OFFICER.

MENTAL HEALTH.

TALK ABOUT TRAINING COPS.

WHAT, WHAT PERCENTAGE WOULD YOU GUESS JUST KIND OF SEE THAT THE PANTS GUESS OF THE DEPUTIES HAVE THAT NOW? MM-HMM.

, UH, PROBABLY NOT EVEN A QUARTER.

IS THAT, SO WHAT, WHAT ARE THE PLANS WITH THAT YOU THINK GOING FORWARD? DO Y'ALL, DO Y'ALL HAVE A KINDA TARGET OR A GOAL IN THAT AREA? YES, WE

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YOU GOT A LOT OF DIFFERENT PROBLEMS. YEAH.

UM, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT A 40 HOUR COURSE, I MEAN, WE RUN AT MINIMUM STAFFING NOW MOST OF THE TIME.

SO IF YOU'RE GONNA PULL PEOPLE OFF TO GO TO A COURSE LIKE THAT, YOU'RE GONNA PULL SOMEBODY OFF THE STREETS FOR 40 HOURS.

UM, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAY 'EM.

OBVIOUSLY, IF IT'S A LOCAL, THE, WITH A MENTAL HEALTH PEACE OFFICER COURSE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE, UM, EXPERTS MM-HMM.

IN CERTAIN SUBJECTS, MA SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS IN CERTAIN PARTS OF THAT.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF COORDINATION THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT.

UM, THE ONE GUY THAT WE HAVE THAT'S CERTIFIED TO TEACH THAT COURSE IS ACTUALLY THE ONE THAT'S GONNA TURN HIS LETTER IN TOMORROW.

AND SO FINDING THAT TRAINING'S NOT ALWAYS EASY.

I WENT THROUGH IT YEARS AGO.

UM, BUT IT'S BECAUSE YOU STRUGGLE WITH THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE, WE HAVE MANDATED COURSES THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE EVERY YEAR AND THEN WE HAVE TO HAVE 40 HOURS EVERY TWO YEARS.

AND THEN WE HAVE, UM, HANDS ON TACTICAL TRAINING, YOU KNOW, ONCE EVERY TWO MONTHS.

AND SO YOU CAN ALMOST PUT YOURSELF IN A POSITION WHERE YOU'RE ACTUALLY DOING MORE TRAINING.

YOU'RE PAYING GUYS TO GO TO MORE TRAINING THAT ACTUALLY COVER A SHIFT AND RIDING A PATROL CAR.

UM, SO WE DO THE BEST WE CAN TO GET THESE GUYS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE CAN, UM, THE MENTAL HEALTH STUFF, WE TRY TO DO IT I THINK ONCE EVERY YEAR, ONCE EVERY TWO YEARS.

AND WE TRY TO GET AS MANY THROUGH IT AS WE CAN, BUT LIKE I SAID, YOU CAN ONLY PULL SO MANY GUYS OFF OF A, OF A PATROL SHIFT.

AND I'M NOT ASKING IN ANY WAY LIKE A GOTCHA.

OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

I, I THINK WHAT MY CONCERN IS IS SIMPLY THE COUNTY IS GROWING SO FAST AND WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE MOVING IN AND WITH COVID AND WITH THE, IT SEEMS, IT SEEMS LIKE AT LEAST THERE'S AN INCREASE IN MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES.

UM, I, I JUST, UH, I FEEL BAD FOR YOUR GUYS HAVING TO ENCOUNTER MORE AND MORE AND MORE OF THAT.

AND SO I WAS PUTTING MYSELF IN YOUR SHOES WONDERING WHAT, WHAT ARE THE, LIKE HOW, HOW DO WE AS A COUNTY HELP YOUR GUYS THAT ARE OUT ON THE STREET? YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR GUYS ARE ACTUALLY VERY FORTUNATE ANY POLICE OFFICER IS BECAUSE THEY DEAL WITH MENTALS TO VARYING DEGREES EVERY DAY AS COMMISSIONERS.

Y'ALL ARE PROBABLY DEALING WITH SOME AS WELL THROUGHOUT.

AND WE, THEY GET BETTER.

THEY KINDA GET STREET SMARTS.

IT'S COMMON SENSE A LOT.

AND OBVIOUSLY WITH MORE EXPERIENCE YOU HAVE, THE BETTER YOU ARE AT, UH, SO THE DEESCALATION OF MANDATORY CLASSES ARE GREAT.

UH, POLICE OFFICER CERTIFICATION WOULD BE GREAT, BUT NOTHING'S GONNA REPLACE EXPERIENCE COMMON SENSE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST NOT GETTING THERE ONE, AND YOU CAN IDENTIFY SOMEBODY WHO'S NOT QUITE THERE PRETTY QUICK, HOW YOU DEAL WITH HIM OR HER.

THAT'S, THAT'S THE STORY.

AND THAT'S WHERE EXPERIENCE COMES INTO PLAY.

AND I'M, I'M NOT TRYING TO GIVE YOU A SOFTBALL HERE, BUT I GUESS I'LL, I'LL THROW IT UP ANYWAY.

HOW MUCH DOES THAT GO IN OR, OR KIND OF COINCIDE WITH THE SALARY ISSUES AND PAY SCALES? LIKE THE, THE MORE THAT WE ELEVATE THAT, DOES THAT ALLOW YOU TO GET THAT TYPE OF CANDIDATE THAT'S GONNA FIT THAT COMMON SENSE MODEL LITTLE BIT BETTER? I, I THINK THAT THAT'S A PART OF IT.

IT'S ALWAYS GONNA BE A PART OF IT.

IT'S NOT GONNA BE A CAVEAT.

UM, OBVIOUSLY THE GUYS AND WANT WHAT'S BEST FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILIES AND MAKE AS MUCH AS THEY CAN.

UM, BUT ALSO WE KNOW THAT THEY LOVE IT HERE IF THEY CAN AFFORD IT HERE.

BUT IT DOESN'T MENTAL PROBLEM.

BUT WE'RE NOT UNIQUE HERE.

IT'S SO YEAH.

IT'S GOTTA BE A TOUGH POSITION.

IT'S JUST GETTING THEM, GETTING THEM THE STREET EXPERIENCE AND UH, KEEPING THEM AND, AND THEY'RE GONNA GET, LIKE, YOU KEEP YOUR TERMS HERE, YOUR JAW ARE GONNA BE GETTING A LOT OF DEALING, A LOT OF MENTAL, SO, AND DOES THAT HELP? YES SIR.

IT DOES.

UH, THE BIGGEST COST INCREASE IN ANIMAL PATROL IS CONTRACT SERVICES.

AND I'M JUST ASKING MAINLY FROM A HOW CAN WE HELP STANDPOINT AND, AND I APPRECIATE IT AND THIS COURT IS AWESOME AND, AND THEIR SUPPORT OF PUBLIC SAFETY, NOT JUST THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, BUT PUBLIC SAFETY AND EVERYBODY COUNTY'S SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO EVERYBODY IN PUBLIC SAFETY IN OUR COMPANY.

, I JUST GOT A MESSAGE THAT IF WE COULD SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE A LITTLE BIT MORE WHEN WE'RE UP SPEAKING.

UH, YOU, YOU, YOU DID WELL.

I JUST, WELL, IT'S KIND OF DIRECTIONAL, SO YEAH.

I JUST TRY TO MAKE A LITTLE EFFORT THERE CUZ I'VE JUST GOTTA COMMENT ON THAT.

I DON'T DO MUCH TALKING.

YOU'RE DOING FINE.

UH,

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PATROL CONTRACT GOING ON 66,000 THIS YEAR.

THE CONTRACT FOR THE CITY WAS YEARS, ABOUT YEARS AGO.

2000.

THREE YEARS AGO.

AND IT HASN'T BEEN UPDATED SINCE THEN.

THE CONTRACT INCREASE EVERY YEAR.

EVERY YEAR.

SO THIS BUDGET WE'RE TOTAL COST OF THE COUNTY FOR AM SHELTER PAYMENTS TO THE CITY OF, LET, LET ME STOP YOU REAL QUICK.

IS THAT, IS THAT MIKE WORKING? CUZ I'M GETTING COMMENT AFTER COMMENT.

HELLO? THAT'S BETTER.

Y'ALL CAN HEAR ME NOW.

, UH, THE TOTAL CONTRACT AMOUNT FOR THE CITY WEATHERFORD FOR ANIMAL SHELTER SERVICES, $729,380 IN THIS UPCOMING BUDGET YEAR.

HANG, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT NUMBER? 700 720 $9,380.

SO THE WAY IT WORKS, CHIEF, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE QUICKLY APPROACHING THE POINT WHERE WE'D BE BETTER OFF WITH OUR OWN FACILITY.

CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT? THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.

? UM, I THINK IT'S WHAT ABOUT, WHAT WAS IT? 300 SOMETHING DOLLARS AN ANIMAL BASED ON THE, WE GET THE FIGURES FROM THE CITY WEATHER.

THEY TELL US HOW MANY ANIMALS THEY BRING.

335 I THINK IS WHAT I WAS QUOTED.

THAT'S PROBABLY PRETTY, PRETTY CLOSE.

THAT, THAT WAS MY QUESTION WAS HOW MANY ANIMALS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? SO IT COMES OUT TO ABOUT THREE 30 A PIECE.

, I THINK THAT'S ABOUT RIGHT.

THE, UM, THE CONTRACT BASICALLY SAYS THAT THE, THE COUNTY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR 75% OF THE SHELTER BUDGET.

THAT'S OUR COST.

WE WE'RE REQUIRED TO PAY 75% OF THE BUDGET OF THE SHELTER.

ALTHOUGH WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WHAT THEY ADD TO THE SHELTER.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY SAY SO ONE WAY OR ANOTHER AS TO WHAT THE TOTAL COST OF THE SHELTER IS.

UH, BUT WE'RE PAYING 75% OF THAT, RIGHT? NOT YET.

NO, SIR.

WE'RE NOT THERE YET.

UM, ACCORDING TO THEIR LETTER THIS YEAR, IT SAYS THE AMOUNT THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR REFLECTS APPROXIMATELY 44% OF THE TOTAL OPERATING BUDGET.

LESS ONE TIME EXPENSES AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT EXPENSES.

THEY THINK WE SHOULD BE AT 75%.

UH, WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THE, THAT THEIR, THEIR BUDGET DOESN'T, DOES NOT INCLUDE THEIR ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICERS.

OR IF YOU, IF YOU COMPARE THE FIGURE OF THEIR BUDGET THAT THEY GIVE US TO THE CITY BUDGET ONLINE, THAT, THAT, THAT TOTAL COST INCLUDES THEIR ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICERS.

SO THE COUNTY SUBSIDIZES ALL THOSE SERVICES, THE CITY TO THE CITY, THE ANIMAL PATROL OFFICERS, THE VETS, UH, THE FACILITIES AND EVERYTHING.

UM, NEXT YEAR IT'S GONNA GO UP ANOTHER 10%.

SO ANOTHER $76,000.

UM, SO IT'LL ONLY BE A COUPLE YEARS BEFORE WE'LL BE AT A MILLION DOLLARS.

WELL, SURELY THEY SHOULD BE SEEING THIS AS A POINT TO WHERE WE'RE BETTER TOGETHER.

IT'S MORE EFFICIENT WORKING TOGETHER.

THEY SHOULD BE SEEING THAT IF THEY CONTINUE DOWN THE PATH THEY'RE GOING AND HITTING US WITH THAT NUMBER, IT'S GONNA HIT THAT POINT WHERE WE COMMISSIONER WALDEN'S RIGHT.

MEAN WE'RE GONNA HAVE, IT'D BE BETTER OFF IF WE JUST HAD OUR OWN.

I MEAN, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME DISCUSSION ON THAT BECAUSE AS I UNDERSTAND, THAT AGREEMENT HASN'T CHANGED, YOU SAID SINCE 22,000.

2000.

AND ALL I HEAR IS THAT IT'S AN EQUITABLE CONTRACT, UNLIKE MAYBE THE LIBRARY OR SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS.

UH, THE ANIMAL CONTROL CONTRACT THAT IS EQUITABLE IN THEIR, THEIR MINDS.

SO, UM, THAT LENDS ITSELF TO, WE REALLY SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT THIS THING.

SO WE DON'T REACH THAT POINT TO WHERE WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION TO MAYBE SPIN OFF AND HAVE, YOU KNOW, DUPLICATING SERVICES TO THE TAXPAYER.

I TRIED FOR TWO YEARS WITH THE CITY TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS TO GET SOMEBODY INTERESTED IN RENEGOTIATING THIS CONTRACT.

UM, UPDATING IT BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME ISSUES, OBVIOUSLY WITH THE CITY AND HOW THEY RUN THE SHELTER, THE THINGS THAT THEY DO DOWN THERE, THE THINGS THEY ADD, UM, BECAUSE WE DON'T, WE DON'T MANAGE IT, BUT WE PAY, AS YOU SAY, 40% ROUGHLY MORE OR MORE OR LESS A OVER 40%.

BUT YET THEY MANAGE IT WITH THEIR DECISION MAKING ON PERSONNEL.

WELL, THEY SAY WE'RE AT 46% OF WHAT THE TOTAL SHELTER COST IS.

WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE AT 75%.

I THINK LAST YEAR THEIR BUDGET FOR THE SHELTER WAS 1.5.

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YES SIR.

AT 1.5.

DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE ANIMALS COME FROM INCORPORATED VERSUS UNINCORPORATED? UH, I DO NOT.

THEY, UH, THEY HAVE CONTRACTS WITH CITY OF ALITO, CITY OF HUDSON OAKS, CITY OF WILLOW PARK.

MOST EVERYONE.

WHERE THEY ACTUALLY TAKE THOSE ANIMALS TOO.

UM, NOW THEY TELL ME THAT THE, THE MONIES THAT THEY, THEY COME IN FROM THOSE CONTRACTS ARE TAKEN OFF THE TOTAL $1.5 MILLION.

UM, BUT WHEN YOU DO THE MATH, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ACCURATE.

UM, WELL CAUSE 10% INCREASING PER YEAR COMPOUNDING, UH, THAT QUICKLY SPIRALS OUT OF CONTROL.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR ESTIMATED BUDGET FOR, FOR THE SHELTER IS THIS YEAR.

I KNOW THEY JUST PUT IN A BIG OLD SURGERY CENTER AND STUFF, UM, DOWN THERE AND, AND COUNTY'S GONNA BE EXPECTED TO COVER THOSE COSTS AT 75%.

SO I DON'T, JUSTIN DIEHL, I BELIEVE IS HIS NAME.

IS THAT HIS NAME OR DUSTIN DIEHL.

DUSTIN, YES, SIR.

JUST AN OUTSTANDING INDIVIDUAL THAT MM-HMM.

HAS DONE A GREAT JOB THERE.

I DON'T THINK THEY EUTHANIZE ANY ANIMALS.

UM, WHICH THE MANAGEMENT OF IT, I'M, I'M VERY PLEASED WITH YOU JUST SEEMS THAT, YOU KNOW THIS, WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER ANY OF THAT MANAGEMENT.

WE DON'T HAVE A CONTROL OVER PERSONNEL THAT CAN HIRE SOMEBODY AND WE HAVE NO SAY IN IT, BUT YET WE GOTTA PAY 10%.

THAT 10% REFLECTS THE TOTAL NUMBER OF WHAT THAT COST IS.

IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, WE, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE NOT THERE YET.

ACCORDING TO THE CITY, WE'RE ONLY PAYING 46%.

WELL, I THINK JUST, WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE SOME DISCUSSION WITH HIM ABOUT THAT I THINK AT SOME POINT.

BUT APPRECIATE YOUR UPDATES ON THIS.

YOU SAY YOU'VE TRIED TO HAVE NEGOTIATIONS WITH 'EM OR, AND THEY NO, WE'VE SAT DOWN WITH, UH, THE CITY MA CITY MANAGER BEFORE ABOUT THIS TO TALK ABOUT IT.

AND THEY WEREN'T REALLY, THEY DIDN'T SEEM TO BE INTERESTED IN RENEGOTIATING IT, I THINK AS FAR AS THEY'RE CONCERNED.

UM, HAS THAT BEEN RECENTLY? UH, A COUPLE YEARS AGO.

I THINK AS FAR AS THEY'RE CONCERNED THAT, THAT THEY DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE COUNTY'S PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE AND THAT IT NEEDS TO CONTINUE UNTIL WE GET TO THAT MAGIC 75%.

SO IN 10 YEARS WE'LL BE AT 2 MILLION A YEAR.

AT THAT RATE.

THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.

SO IN THEIR LETTER, THEY HAD THE, DURING THE, I GUESS THIS LAST YEAR, THEY TOOK IN 6,500 ANIMALS.

AND IT SAYS OF THOSE INTAKES, 4,200 OR 65% ARE THOSE ANIMALS THAT CAME FROM UNINCORPORATED PARKER COUNTY.

SAME ARGUMENT WE HAVE WITH A LIBRARY, SAY 65% MM-HMM.

ACCORDING TO THEIR FIGURES.

THE PROBLEM WITH RUNNING OUR OWN SHELTERS IS IT IS GONNA BE VERY EXPENSIVE.

I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE ANIMAL VET TECHS AND VETS AND, YOU KNOW, MEDICINES AND ALL KINDS OF, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF ISSUES THAT COME ALONG WITH THAT.

UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT ANSWER IS.

DO MOST ANIMAL SHELTERS EUTHANIZE A LOT OF ANIMALS? BUT WE DON'T, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT.

I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.

THEY, THAT THAT IS CORRECT.

COMMISSIONER THAT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT THAT A LOT OF THE, UH, WELL, NOT A LOT.

I DON'T SAY A LOT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, BUT THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF THOSE ANIMAL SHELTERS, FORT WORTH BEING ONE.

UM, WHICH OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE BIGGER.

THEY DO HAVE THAT TYPE OF SITUATION.

WE DO NOT.

THERE, THERE ARE NO KILL SHELTER, WHICH IS 95%.

IF YOU HAVE A, YOU CAN EUTHANIZE NO MORE THAN 5% AND STILL CALL KILL.

SO SOMEBODY COME INJURED, I MEAN, OR, OR SOMETHING.

YOU KNOW, THEY STILL HAVE TO BE PUT DOWN, BUT, SO THEY'RE AT LEAST AT THAT 95% OF THE MAINTAIN THAT NO STATUS.

AND THERE'S OTHER SHELTERS THAT OBVIOUSLY AREN'T AT THAT LEVEL.

THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB.

I MEAN, I JUST, I I'M, WELL, I DON'T, I DON'T HEAR MANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT, ABOUT THE WORK THEY DO DO IF YOU DON'T CARE TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF, THEY'RE DOING A GOOD JOB KEEPING ANIMALS ALIVE.

I MEAN, YOU GOTTA TALK ABOUT THIS STUFF.

YOU DO.

AND IT'S TIME.

IF WE HAVEN'T, IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS, WE PROBABLY NEED TO REQUEST A DISCUSSION ON THAT.

WE'LL, WE'LL GET TO THAT.

IN OUR CONTRACT WITH THEM, IS IT WRITTEN IN CLEARLY THAT WHEN WE GET TO X PERCENT OF THE BUDGET, THAT 10% GOES AWAY? OR IS THAT A

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VERBAL AGREEMENT? 75%.

ONCE WE GET TO 75% OF THE TOTAL SHELTER BUDGET AS, AS THEY TELL US WHAT IT IS, THEN IT LEVELS OUT.

WELL, I THINK AND IT'S UP TO 10%, IT ONLY INCREASE UP TO TWO.

SO THEY'RE SAYING IT'S MORE THAN THAT, BUT THEY'RE CAPPING IT EACH YEAR AT THE 10%.

CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE AGREEMENT SAYS.

I THINK BEFORE WE JUST KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD ON THIS AND THEN COME BACK TO IT AND HAVE ANOTHER REDUNDANT DISCUSSION ON THIS, IS THAT, UM, WHY DON'T, UM, I I WOULD OFFER A SCHEDULE A MEETING WITH THEIR, THEIR MAYOR AND THEIR CITY MANAGER AND MAYBE A, A COMMISSIONER, UH, LARRY, YOU, YOU AND I HAVE WORKED WELL WITH THEM, UH, IN THE PAST IS TRY TO SCHEDULE A MEETING WITH THEM AND SIT DOWN AND TRY HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THAT PARTICULAR ITEM.

SO I WON'T DISCUSS THAT TOO MUCH AND GET OFF TANGENT HERE.

BUT, UH, LARRY, I'LL GET WITH YOU ON THAT AND SEE WE CAN SURE.

IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH THE COMMISSIONERS.

WE'VE WORKED WELL WITH THEM ON A VARIETY OF ISSUES.

ONE BEING AND STILL IN PROGRESSION.

IT'S KIND OF A LIBRARY SITUATION, BUT, UM, WE, WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS AND HAVE A GOOD DIALOGUE WITH THEM.

AND SO WE'LL LIKE TO VISIT THAT.

I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUICK QUESTION.

JUST CAN SOMEBODY EXPLAIN TO ME WHY THEY TAKE IN 65% ANIMALS FROM UNINCORPORATED, BUT THEY WANT THE COUNTY TO PAY 75%? NO, SIR.

HAS ANY, HAS, HAS THAT BEEN? WE'LL TRY TO GET ANSWERS FOR YOU, COMMISSIONER.

ANYTHING ELSE FOR ANIMAL CONTROL? WELL, THAT WAS A DISCUSSION ALWAYS IS WITH ANIMALS.

UH, 5 67 COURTHOUSE SECURITY.

EITHER FUND 10 OR FUND 73.

THERE'S NO CHANGES THERE.

UH, 5 68 TRANSPORT AND EXTRADITION.

UM, WE HAVE A DECREASED HONORABLE BILLS BECAUSE, UH, WE ARE STILL WAITING ON THOSE TWO FORDS TO COME IN.

SO I DIDN'T ASK FOR ANY, UH, VEHICLES ON THIS ONE.

I I GOTTA GET THESE OTHER TWO IN BEFORE I CAN FORGET WHAT I'M GONNA DO THERE.

RUNNING THAT CAR SEVEN DAYS A WEEK IF YOU SHARE A VEHICLE, WHICH THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WERE OUT A LOT FASTER.

UM, AND OBVIOUSLY ALONG WITH THAT GOES INCREASE OR DECREASE IN, UM, AUTO EQUIPMENT, CONTRACT SERVICES AND TRANS TRANSPORTATION.

I'VE HAD TO DO, UH, THREE OR FOUR BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS THIS YEAR.

WE WANNA START USING CONTRACT SERVICES ARE, ARE, UH, TRANSPORT SERVICES MORE OFTEN NOW BECAUSE THE COST HAS GONE FROM ABOUT EIGHT GRAND BACK DOWN TO ABOUT 3,500 PER TRANSPORT, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT WE'RE PAYING BEFORE COVID.

UM, THAT'LL SAVE US THE LONG TRIPS TO FLORIDA, TO DC TO CALIFORNIA AND PLACES LIKE THAT.

UH, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT 5 68? UM, WE'VE ALREADY WENT OVER THE, UM, THE, THE, THE LAST THING I NEED TO TALK ABOUT IS, UH, WE ALREADY WENT OVER AT SPECIAL FUNDS.

UH, THOSE ARE OUR NORMAL, YOU KNOW, UH, ALL THE FUNDS THAT WE GET THAT, UM, THEY'RE ALL LISTED AT THE FRONT OF YOUR BINDER.

THERE'S NO REAL CHANGE IN THERE.

UM, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE, OUR, UH, PERSONNEL REQUEST.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT PERSONNEL REQUEST? IF YOU FLIP BACK TO 5 63 REAL QUICK AND YOU LOOK AT THE JUDGE'S BUDGET DOCUMENTS UNDER RIGHT PAST THE, UH, THE PERSONNEL REQUEST THAT SHOWS THE TOTAL SALARY, THE BENEFITS, THE NEXT ONE IS THE NEW EMPLOYEE CAP, NON CAP REQUEST.

UM, I'LL POINT OUT THAT THESE WE'RE ASKING FOR THREE BRAND NEW VEHICLES FOR THESE FIVE EMPLOYEES.

SO WE WANT TO ADD THREE CARS TO THE FLEET.

UM, BUT WE HAVE TO ADD ALL THE EQUIPMENT THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT TOO.

UM, AND THAT'S ALL LISTED OUT.

UH, AND THAT THE, THE SPREADSHEET THAT I GAVE YOU IN THE BINDER, SO IT LISTS OUT WHAT EACH ONE OF THESE, UM, EQUIPMENT COSTS WOULD BE FOR EACH ONE OF THESE EMPLOYEES.

UH, JACKET, UNIFORM, BODY CAMERA, UH, BODY ARMOR, TRAUMA KIT, NEW HIRE TESTING, HANDHELD RADIO, AND A PATROL CAR.

THOSE ARE THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH HIRING A NEW PERSON OR TWO NEW DEPUTIES DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THEY'RE GONNA SHARE A CAR OR THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A TAKE HOME VEHICLE.

ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT NEW PEOPLE, NEW PERSONNEL? DO YOU'ALL TRY TO STAY AWAY FROM THAT SHARE CARDALE OR, I CAN SEE THAT BEING A PROBLEM.

IT'S, IT'S HARD ON VEHICLES RUNNING THEM TWO SHIFTS.

YOU KNOW, IF THE, IF THE DEPUTIES, OBVIOUSLY THE DEPUTIES CAN'T BE ON THE SAME ROTATION.

YOU CAN'T HAVE ONE GETTING OFF AT SIX AND ONE COMING ON AT SIX AND EXPECTING TO SHARE A VEHICLE.

SO YOU'RE BASICALLY

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UH, IT'S, IT'S BEEN PROVEN THROUGH STUDY AFTER STUDY AFTER STUDY THAT POLICE OFFICERS TAKE BETTER CARE OF CARS ISSUED TO 'EM THAN THEY DO, UM, ONES THAT THEY SHARE.

UM, THE, THEY THEY'RE MAINTAINED BETTER.

THEY LAST LONGER.

SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF PRIDE AND OWNERSHIP.

THANKS.

BUT, BUT WE ALSO KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY.

SO YES, YOU DO HAVE TO, UM, KIND OF RUN SOME OF THOSE SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, BUT, BUT WE, WE ROTATE 'EM OUT ALSO SO WE DON'T WANT ONE, YOU KNOW, WITH A HIGH MILEAGE ON IT.

SO WE'LL, WE'LL SWAP THOSE OUT.

SO NO QUESTION.

THE NEXT PART'S ABOUT THE SALARY RECLASSIFICATION, WHICH IS IN YOUR BOOKS AS WELL.

UM, THIS IS, UH, WELL COUPLE OF YOU WEREN'T HERE LAST YEAR.

THIS IS THE LAST STEP IN A MULTIYEAR PLAN AND IT GOT TABLED LAST YEAR.

UH, SO, SO EVERYBODY COULD GET INCREASE THAT THEY GET LAST YEAR.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT OUR PLAN, WE'RE REAL GOOD GETTING OUR FOLKS IN THE DOOR.

WE HAVE GOOD STARTING PAY FOR OUR DEPUTIES.

UH, FIRST YEAR OR TWO, THEY'RE, THEY'RE MAKING SOME GOOD LITTLE STEP PAY RAISES, THEN WE KINDA FLATTEN OUT AND THAT'S WHERE WE LOSING OUR PEOPLE RIGHT AFTER WE GET TROUBLE.

UM, SO WE BASICALLY TOOK OUR 20 YEAR PLAN, COMPRESSED IT TO 12, WHICH PRETTY MUCH IS IT.

I DO.

WELL THAT'S A PROBLEM.

SO WE COMPRESSED IT TO 12, WHERE, WHICH IS KIND OF AN INDUSTRY STANDARD MO MO UH, REAL COMMON FROM NINE TO 1215 YEARS.

AND THAT GETS OUR FOLKS AFTER THAT TWO OR THREE YEAR PERIOD TO REALLY GIVE THEM A FUTURE.

ALSO, THOSE ARE THE ONES WE, WE WANT TO KEEP 'EM ALL, BUT THOSE ARE THE ONES WHICH YOU ALREADY INVESTED A LOT OF TIME AND MONEY IN AND TRAINING THEM.

AND OF COURSE YOU WANT TO KEEP THOSE FOLKS.

UM, SO THAT PAY SCALE IS BASED ON A 12 YEAR PLAN.

SO THEY'RE GETTING BUMPS MORE FREQUENTLY AND ACTUALLY ARE PRETTY REASONABLE, UH, INCREASES IN THAT STEP.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE PROPOSAL.

AND AGAIN, THIS WAS, THIS IS THE LAST STEP.

I MEAN, THE ONES WHO'VE BEEN HERE A LONG, LONG TIME, I'VE SEEN ME GO OVER THIS YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR.

SO YOUR PAIN IS IN, IN GETTING, GETTING AN OFFICER IS, IS BETTER THAN IT HAS BEEN BECAUSE IT'S MORE LEVEL, LEVEL IN A PLAYING FIELD.

IT'S KEEPING THAT OFFICER AFTER TWO OR THREE YEARS AS I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

THAT'S IT.

BECAUSE AFTER ABOUT TWO OR THREE YEARS, OUR, OUR, OUR INCREASE IS KIND OF FLATTENED OUT.

SO THAT'S WHERE OUR PAY IS REAL GOOD AT, AT THE START.

BUT THEN IT FLATTENS OUT AFTER THAT SECOND, THIRD, FOURTH YEAR UP TO YEAR 20.

SO WE CAN COMPRESS THAT AND KINDA KEEP THAT KIND OF GOING UP, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT MOST OTHER AGENCIES DO OR TRY TO DO.

NOW, WE'LL NEVER KEEP UP WITH THE JONESES AS FAR AS THE METROPLEX, BUT WE ARE IN THAT MARKET AS, AS EVERYBODY IN THIS COUNTY.

SO I THINK THIS WILL GET US VERY, VERY MARKETABLE.

WE MADE GREAT STRIDES AND THE RETENTION AND, AND AT LEAST HIRING OFFICERS.

WONDERFUL.

THIS, AND AGAIN, I I'M GONNA SAY IT AND I I, I'M SAYING Y'ALL'S PRAISES EVERYWHERE I GO, THIS COURT SUPPORTS PUBLIC SAFETY AND THIS, BUT GET 'EM IN THE DOOR.

THIS COMMUNITY KNOWS IT.

GETTING 'EM IN THE DOOR DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE TO KEEP, WE GET 'EM IN THE DOOR AND WE GET 'EM TRAINED AND WHEREVER THOSE OFFICERS GO, THEY'RE BETTER FOR HAVING WORKED HERE.

UH, BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T WANNA LOSE.

WE WANNA BE A LITTLE SELFISH.

WE WANNA KEEP 'EM HERE.

WELL, THAT EXPERIENCE YOU TALK ABOUT AND TALKING ABOUT MENTALS AND OTHER THINGS THAT WE'D LOSE THAT AND THAT RETENTION OF OFFICERS AND YOU GET A NEW OFFICER ON, THEN THEY'RE STARTING BACK AT GROUND ZERO.

AND THEN IT'S, IT IS, AND OUR LAWSUIT IS SOMEBODY ELSE'S GAIN.

I MEAN, THEY, THEY GET A GOOD DEPUTY.

UH, BUT, BUT WE CAN TRY TO BE A LITTLE MORE SELFISH AND, AND KEEP THOSE FOLKS.

AND IT'S ALSO, I WOULD ASSUME THAT WE HAVE A HARD TIME ATTRACTING FOLKS WITH THE, WITH SIMILAR EXPERIENCE TO COME OUT HERE.

CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE PAY SCALE TO MATCH.

WELL, IT'S NOT THE, THE PAY SCALE'S GOOD, BUT WE, WE DON'T HAVE A LATERAL ENTRY.

YOU KNOW, UH, SOME AGENCIES WILL GIVE THEM CREDIT FOR MAYBE UP TO FIVE OR SIX OR EIGHT YEARS IF THEY, IF THEY HAVE 20, THEY COME OVER HERE AND THEY START AT ZERO.

AND WE'VE KIND OF KICKED THAT AROUND WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT.

AND RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK WE NEED IT BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING THEM IN THE DOOR.

I SEE.

AND IF WE CAN KEEP 'EM, WE DON'T NEED IT.

NOW IF IT COMES TO RECRUITING THING WHERE WE CAN'T GET FOLKS, WE MAY COME BACK AND START LOOKING AT THAT.

YOU KNOW, MAYBE GIVING 'EM CREDIT UP TO THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE YEARS.

YOU KNOW WHAT IT WOULD ON AVERAGE WOULD BE FOR COUNTIES, NOT CITIES? COU WELL ACTUALLY YEAH.

DO YOU, I I JUST ASKED, UM, OUR AUDITOR A QUESTION ABOUT PERCENTAGE OF BUDGET, UH, FROM THE LAW, THE SO'S OFFICE.

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SAY COUNTIES.

WHAT THAT NUMBER WOULD BE FOR A PERCENTAGE OF OVERALL BUDGET FOR SSO? WOULD YOU HAVE JUST, UM, I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE A LOT OF, A LOT OF 'EM CLASSIFIED PUBLIC SAFETY OR CRIMINAL JUSTICE IN THE ENTIRE BUDGET INSTEAD OF JUST THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

BECAUSE NOT ONLY IS IT SHERIFF'S OFFICE, IT'S THE CONSTABLE'S OFFICE, IT'S THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

IT'S THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

IT'S DIFFERENT WORLD.

IT'S THE COUNTY CLERK.

IT'S A DISTRICT CLERK.

SO IT, IT'S, IT'S ALL ENCOMPASSING IN THAT FIGURE IS PROBABLY, WELL IN THE 60% RANGE.

NOW WHAT'S, WHAT'S SHOCKING IS, IS IT'S BETWEEN 30 38 AND 41%.

AND OF JUST, SO, CUZ YOU'RE RIGHT, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR FINANCIALS, WHAT WE HAVE UNDER PUBLIC SAFETY IS MORE THAN THE SHERIFF'S.

AND, AND WE ALSO KNOW THAT THE JAIL IS A HUGE PORTION OF OUR BUDGET, YOU KNOW, KNOW.

WHICH IS, AGAIN, MANDATED AS WELL.

WELL, WHAT DOES, WHAT DOES THE COUNTY DO? IT PROVIDES THE JUSTICE SYSTEM.

IT PROVIDES THE JAIL, IT PROVIDES THE HOUSING OF THAT, THE FEEDING OF THE INMATES, THE, THE, THE MAGISTRATE IF YOU WILL.

WHAT WE DO.

UM, I MEAN THAT NUMBER IS SHOCKINGLY LOWER THAN WHAT I EXPECTED IT TO BE.

IT'S, I MEAN, IT ACTUALLY, IT'S EXPENSIVE ACTUALLY HITTING THE POINT.

HUDSON OAKS, I REMEMBER IT HIT NEARLY 70%.

SO I MEAN THAT NUMBER UPWARDS, AND THIS HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT IN SOME TRAINING, SOME THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THE SO'S OFFICE IN MANY COUNTIES IS UPWARDS OF CLOSE TO 60%.

AND, AND I'VE HEARD SOME CITIES TALK ABOUT THEIR M AND O, YOU KNOW, BUDGET FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.

THAT'S FIRE AND LAW ENFORCEMENT SOMETIMES IN EXCESS OF 95% OF THEIR BUDGET.

IT'S OUTRAGEOUS.

BUT THE SO'S OFFICE HERE, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT BAD.

THAT'S NOT BAD FOR WHAT WE'VE DONE AND THE COMMITMENT WE'VE MADE TO LAW ENFORCEMENT JUDGE, I HAVEN'T CALCULATED ON A WHILE, BUT I THINK WHEN YOU LUMP TOGETHER ALL THE, THE COURT SYSTEM, ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT AND EVERYTHING, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE AROUND 75% OF OUR TOTAL BUDGET.

YEAH, NO, I WAS JUST WANTING TO LOOK AT, AT THE SO JUST PURELY YEAH, I UNDERSTAND.

BUT I THAT STILL, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT THE SO IS AND WHAT PORTION OF IT IS.

THAT'S ACTUALLY WHO WE ARE.

THAT'S NOT A BAD, THAT'S WHAT WE DO.

YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY WHO WE ARE.

NO, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT BAD.

DON'T ASK FOR A RAISE JUST CUZ WE TOLD YOU THAT WELL NO, WE, I'M, I'M REAL PROUD OF THE GAL AND THE GUYS THAT, THAT WE HAVE WORKED THERE RIGHT NOW.

I THINK IF THEY COULD AFFORD IT, THEY'D DO IT FOR A LOT LESS.

BUT IN TODAY'S WORLD, UH, EVERYBODY WANTS THAT NEW TRUCK AND, AND NEW BOAT.

SO THEY'RE GONNA TRY TO DO THE BEST FOR THEIR OWN AND THEIR FAMILIES.

WELL I THINK WHAT THE KEY IS, IS WE'VE LISTENED TO WHERE THE PAIN IS OVER THE YEARS WHERE HIRING SOMEBODY, IT'S A PROBLEM.

AND WE COULDN'T EVEN HIRE ANYBODY.

I THINK WE PROVED FIVE OFFICERS.

IT TOOK A YEAR TO GET 'EM BECAUSE OUR PAY WASN'T VERY GOOD.

WE DID, WE FIXED THAT.

WE GOT THOSE OFFICERS, WE'RE GETTING THEM, WE'RE GETTING THEM.

SO WE'RE LISTENING TO WHERE THE PAIN IS AND THEN SOLVING THAT.

WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST KIND OF TIRED OF TRAINING THEM FOR OTHER FOLKS.

SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE, ON THE RESTRUCTURE? BECAUSE THE LAST PART IN YOUR BOOKS WAS ABOUT, UH, I GUESS FACILITIES.

UM, THERE'S A COUPLE PLANS IN THERE FOR UH, UH, SOME SMALL GEL EXPANSIONS CUZ WE KNOW WE'RE JUST GONNA GROW AND GROW AND GROW.

ONE OF 'EM IS AN IN-HOUSE.

UH, IT'S AN EXPANSION OF A PROPERTY ROOM.

IF WE HARDEN IT UP, I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY DO THAT.

I THINK THEIR QUOTE WAS ABOUT A QUARTER OF A MILLION.

I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY DO IT FOR LESS THAN THAT.

THAT WOULD GIVE US 12 MORE BEDS.

DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A LOT, BUT IT IS, UH, THAT OTHER PLAN IN THERE IS FOR A 48 BED FACILITY, KIND OF A DORMITORY STYLE FOR A MIN MINIMUM RISK OR LOWER RISK.

AND THAT WOULD BE KIND OF ON THE GROUNDS, BUT KIND OF IN THAT SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE FACILITY OVER THERE.

AND WE WOULD, IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN, WE WOULD HOUSE OUR WORK RELEASE FOLKS AND THEN OUR, UH, OUTSIDE TRUSTEES, WHICH COULD ALSO BE USED, UH, IN, IN A QUARANTINE FACILITY IF WE WERE TO GET, HAVE SOME OTHER PANDEMIC, BRINGING PEOPLE IN, WATCHING THEM THERE BEFORE THEY BRING THEM INTO THE GENERAL POPULATION AREA.

AND IT WOULD HELP KEEP CONTRABAND OUT.

THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF POSITIVES FOR IT, BUT, UH, BUT THE MINIMUM RISK OR LOW RISK, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUILD TO THE SAME STANDARDS.

YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE HARDENED AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE, YOU CAN DO A DORMITORY STYLE FACILITY.

SO, SO THEN I THINK THAT WAS THAT FOUR AND A HALF.

THERE'S ROUGH QUOTES OF FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS FOR THAT.

AND THEN OF COURSE AFTER THAT, UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO UP SOMEWHERE OR, OR GO SOMEWHERE ELSE BECAUSE WE'RE JUST GONNA BE OUT OF ROOM.

SO JUST THINGS WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT.