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WE READY? YES.WE'RE GONNA GET STARTED, UM, FOR THE PARKER COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT AMENDED BUDGET AGENDA, UH, THE RECORD SHOW.
IT IS 9 0 4, FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2023.
UH, WE WILL MOVE TO CONSIDER AND DISCUSS AN ACT UPON THE FOLLOWING AGENDA ITEMS UNDER ITEM
[I. CONSENT: (Member of court may ask for discussion on any item listed)]
ONE, CONSENT, UNDER ITEM[A. AUDITOR:]
A AUDITOR, UH, PAYMENT OR ROUTINE BILLS.[1. Payment of routine bills.]
UH, DO YOU WANT TO, THERE ONE ITEM HAS BEEN COURT, I BELIEVE WOULD LIKE.THE ITEM IS TO, FOR THE WORK, FOR THE DRIVE AT THE ANNEX.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRIVE THROUGH, YOU'LL SEE IT HAS A LOT OF ISSUES.
I THINK THAT HURTING, JUST MOVE THAT WAY.
I KNOW THE DECISION TO PAY IS COMPLETELY UP TO THE COURT, BUT BEFORE Y'ALL MAKE PAYMENT, I WANTED Y'ALL TO SEE, UH, THE WORK THAT WE RECEIVED.
I JUST, I PERSONALLY DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S UP TO THE STANDARDS FOR THE TAXPAYERS TO PAY FOR.
UNEVENNESS, IT WAS POURED AT TWO O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON ON A DAY THAT WAS 106.
THEY DID NOT WATER THE CEMENT AT ALL AS THEY POURED AND SET IT.
MY CONCERN IS THAT IT'S NOT GONNA HOLD UP TO, HOW THICK IS THAT? DO YOU KNOW? SIX INCHES, I BELIEVE.
CAN I, I MEAN, CAN I CLARIFY I JUST, OR TO ASK FOR CLARIFICATION.
WHEN YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS, UM, WE CAME OUT AND MET YOU OUT THERE AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT, AND THEN I, UM, GOT WITH MARK.
WE HELD PAYMENT ON THIS INITIALLY BECAUSE THE, WHERE THE CHUTE WAS GONNA GO WAS IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION, WHAT IT NEEDED TO BE.
BUT THE, THE, THE AGREEMENT AND IN, IN TALKING TO OUR COUNT, OUR, UM, COUNTY ATTORNEY, THAT WE NEEDED TO GO AHEAD AND APPROVE PAYMENT SINCE THE OBLIGATION WAS THAT THEY FULFILLED THEIR AGREEMENT WITH THIS PROJECT HERE.
UM, SO WHAT ARE YOU SAYING THAT BECAUSE OF THE, THE QUALITY OF THE WORKMANSHIP THAT WE SHOULD DENY PAYMENT OR WE, I GUESS WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE ASKING TO DO HERE? I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS DONE TO THE STANDARDS OF WHAT PARKER COUNTY SHOULD EXPECT, BECAUSE IN TALKING TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, THEY FULFILLED THE AGREEMENT.
AND JOHN AND I, I TALKED TO BRIANNA, WE RELEASED APPROVED PAYMENT TO BE MADE.
AND I SPOKE WITH MARK LONG, BUILDING THE GROUNDS, WHO REVIEWED THE, THE PROJECT AND WHAT, UH, THE WORK THAT HAD BEEN PERFORMED.
UH, PROBABLY THE BEST QUE ANSWER WOULD COME FROM HIM AS TO DID IT MEET THE SPECIFICATIONS OF THE REQUIREMENTS.
UH, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS, YOU KNOW, THE QUALITY, THE, THE TENSILE STRENGTH ON THAT.
AND I KNOW, YOU KNOW, BUILDING CONCRETE ROADS, IF, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU'LL CORE THAT AND EXPLORE THE TENSILE STRENGTH ON THAT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A QUESTION FOR MARK.
NOT NECESSARILY, THAT'S NOT MY WHEELHOUSE AS FAR AS, WELL, IF IT'S, WE SHOULD KNOW ALL THAT.
IF IT'S SIX INCHES THICK, I MEAN, IT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE.
MARK, CAN YOU COME UP PLEASE AND KIND OF ADDRESS THIS? I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT WE WERE KIND OF GOING DOWN A PATH OF RESOLUTION AESTHETICALLY, MAYBE IT IS
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LACKING A LITTLE, BUT AS FAR AS THE SIX INCHES THICK WITH THREE REBAR, IT IS SIX INCHES THICK.SO IT SHOULD BE PAID, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PAID A WHILE BACK.
CONCRETE IS AN INTERESTING THING THAT, THAT SOMETIMES AESTHETICALLY IT LOOKS LIKE IT MAY NOT BE, BUT TIME WILL TELL WITH THAT.
AND IF IT'S SIX INCHES THICK WITH REBAR AND IT'S GOT, IT'S, IT'S GOT REINFORCEMENT.
I, I'M, I'M NO EXPERT, BUT I MEAN, TALKING IN CONSULTING WITH OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, UM, WE WERE REQUIRED TO MAKE, TO RELEASE PAYMENT THIS PAT CON COMPANY, AND WE HAVE DONE THAT.
THE PAT CON COMPANY DOES ALL THE CITY OF FORT, UH, WEATHERFORD FLOOR'S, DONE THE, UH, CHILLER LINE, RELOCATION, ALL THIS STUFF AROUND EVERYTHING.
SO IT'S GOT A VERY GOOD REPUTATION.
JENNY, YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA ADD? YOU WANNA ADD ON THIS? OKAY, UM, I HAVE A QUESTION.
UH, MR. FOREST, WHAT IS THE COUNTY'S RECOURSE CONTRACTUALLY IF 18 MONTHS FROM NOW, IF IT FAILS? UM, YEAH, THERE'S SOME, WELL, MAYBE NOT EVEN A TOTAL FAILURE, BUT THERE'S SUBSTANTIAL ISSUES THAT POP UP IN 12, 18, 36 MONTHS, ET CETERA.
RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S A ONE YEAR WARRANTY.
IS IS WHAT JENNY'S SAYING ON THAT.
AND SO SPECI FOR THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS, AND SO SPECIFICALLY MY COMMENTS ARE AS FAR AS REFERRING TO BUILDING AND GROUNDS, DID THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF WHAT THEY WERE ASKED TO DO? YEAH.
AND THAT, AND THAT'S SOLELY WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
I'M NOT LOOKING AT QUALITY OF WORK, BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, THAT WOULD GO BACK TO BUILDING GROUNDS TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION IF THEY MET OUR EXPECTATIONS.
SO, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY, AS FAR AS DID THEY GO THROUGH THAT, I SPOKE WITH MARK, AND THAT'S WHO I'M RELYING TO SAY THEY MET THE REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE AGREEMENT AS TO HOW HE INSTRUCTED 'EM TO PERFORM THAT WORK.
SO QUALITY OF WORK, THAT'S UP TO YOU GUYS AS A COURT TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
AND THEN WITH THAT WARRANTY, IF IT FAILS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE RECOURSE THERE AS WELL.
WELL, I THINK TO COMMISSIONER COURT'S, I, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER HOLD'S POINT, UM, THAT, THAT FROM A DURABILITY STANDPOINT, IT'S GONNA BE UPHELD AND THE QUALITY OF THE WORK IS GONNA BE OVER TIME.
AESTHETICS IS ONE THING, BUT IF, IF, IF MARK IS SAYING THAT THOSE SPECS HAVE BEEN MET, UH, ONE, THEY DID FULFILL THE CONTRACTUAL SIDE PER YEAR IN OUR CONVERSATION, I SPOKE TO BRIANNA, WE DID, UH, AGREE TO RELEASE PAYMENT AND WE'LL JUST HAVE TO JUST WATCH IT AND OBSERVE IT AND SEE HOW, HOW IT HOLDS UP INTO TRAFFIC AND, AND USE.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO DO HERE? YOU KNOW, WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY, I DON'T HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE TO SAYING, YOU KNOW, IS THAT, DOES THAT MEET THE SPECS AS FAR AS THE STRENGTH ON THE CONCRETE OR, BECAUSE THAT, THAT STRENGTH, THAT SHOULD COME FROM WHOEVER PROVIDED THE CEMENT AS TO HOW, HOW THAT WILL SET UP AND IF IT MEETS THOSE SPECS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE YOU GET THAT TENSILE STRENGTH.
BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT WE SPECIFIED, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE TENSILE STRENGTH SHOULD BE, BUT IT SHOULD GO BACK TO THE MANUFACTURER OF THE CEMENT TO SEE DID IT, DID IT SET PROPERLY? AND THAT'S, BUT OVER TIME, THAT'S WHEN YOU PROBABLY FIGURE THAT OUT.
OR IF YOU TAKE A CORE SAMPLE AND, AND TEST IT.
SOUNDS LIKE YOU KNOW MORE THAN I DO ABOUT IT FOR SURE.
HAVE, HAVE WE DONE ANY CORE SAMPLES OR DONE ANYTHING THAT TESTS THE, UH, STABILITY? THE, UH, CONTRACTOR, UH, TOLD ME HAD WHOLE SPECS.
AND, UH, ESTIMATED LIFETIME OF THAT DRIVEWAY, OF THE AMOUNT OF USE AND THE TRAFFIC THAT IT'LL GET IS PROBABLY, PROBABLY BE LOW.
SO THE WARRANTY'S FOR 5% OF THE LIFE.
SORRY, I DIDN'T SPEAK CLEARLY.
I DIDN'T HAVE TO TAKE MY SHOES OFF FOR THAT MATH
JAN, YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK? NO.
I JUST WANTED Y'ALL TO BE AWARE OF IT.
SO DO WE NEED TO VOTE TO PAY OR NOT? NO.
I WHAT? VOTE NO, WE DON'T, WE DON'T NEED A VOTE.
WELL NEED A VOTE FOR WHAT? OH, NOT JUST IT, BUT OTHER ROUTINE BILLS, I THOUGHT.
UM, I WOULD ASK FOR A MOTION THEN I MOVE TO PAY THE, UH, ROUTINE BILLS MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN, UH, TO PAY THE ROUTINE BILLS WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CONLEY.
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DISCUSSION BEFORE WE VOTE? ALL IN FAVOR PASS FIVE.IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE UNDER ROUTINE BILLS? NO.
[II. APPROVAL]
[II. A. Authorization to utilize outside engineering firm for purposes of permitting. (Judge Deen)]
ITEM TWO ON APPROVAL AUTHORIZATION TO UTILIZE OUTSIDE ENGINEERING FIRM FOR PURPOSES OF PERMITTING.UM, UM, I GAVE EACH OF YOU A PACKET OF TWO DIFFERENT CIVIL ENGINEERING FIRMS THAT RESPONDED WITH, YOU KNOW, THEIR PRICE SHEETS, THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO BE HELPFUL, UM, DURING THIS TIME PERIOD.
UM, YOU KNOW, JOHN CAN PROBABLY SPEAK MORE ON THIS AS I DO, AND AS WELL AS I BELIEVE WE HAVE SOMEONE HERE THAT COULD SPEAK ON IT AS WELL.
JOHN, IN, IN OUR CURRENT SITUATION, I, I THINK BECKY HAS LISTED OUT, UH, TO FILL THE POSITION FOR PERMITTING.
UH, CURRENTLY WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE IN THAT, THAT ROLE TO REVIEW OUR FEMA MAPS AND TO SUBMIT EVERYTHING TO T C Q.
SO WE HAVE SOME OPTIONS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT.
SOME OF THE OPTIONS WOULD BE TO UTILIZE FIRMS THAT COULD DO THAT, OR WE COULD HIRE AN INTERIM INDIVIDUAL.
WE HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL HERE TODAY THAT MIGHT WANT TO SPEAK TO Y'ALL AS FAR AS POSSIBLY BEING INTERIM, UH, PERMITTING DEPARTMENT HEAD, JUST FOR PURPOSES OF REVIEWING THOSE PLATTS SO WE CAN MOVE THOSE FORWARD BECAUSE MONDAY WEEK WE'LL HAVE PLATS THAT NEED TO HAVE ALREADY BEEN REVIEWED SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE PLATTS FOR THOSE DEVELOPERS.
IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT, OR WE DON'T CHOOSE ONE OF THE FIRMS TO ROTATE THROUGH TO REVIEW THOSE FEMA MAPS, THEN WE'RE, YOU'RE SHUT DOWN.
I, UH, THE INDIVIDUAL, I TAKE IT, THERE'S A
I VISIT, VISITED WITH HIM PRIOR TO COURT, UH, TODAY.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT MIGHT BE AN OPTION THAT'S AVAILABLE TO THE COURT IF Y'ALL CHOOSE TO GO THAT ROUTE.
AND, UH, I'LL LET HIM SPEAK ON THIS.
IF YOU WOULD COME ON OUT, INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
UH, KEN DES WITH CHALK MOUNTAIN ENGINEERING AND I HAD SENT YOU, UH, AN EMAIL AND ALSO COMMISSIONER CONLEY AND, UH, COMMISSIONER WALDEN, MR. OFFICER.
AND, UM, I HAVE AN OFFICE IN FORT WORTH, UH, CURRENTLY AND WE'RE PLANNING ON MOVING THAT OFFICE TO WEATHERFORD.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TODAY TO INTRODUCE MYSELF BECAUSE WE WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE TO HELP.
UM, AND, UM, I HAVE 40 YEARS EXPERIENCE IN PRIMARILY FLOOD PLAIN MATTERS.
I'M A HYDROLOGIST FIRST AND FOREMOST, BUT I'M ALSO INVOLVED IN CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS FOR PAVING, GRADING, WATER, SEWER, THE WHOLE THING.
UH, SO KIND OF BEEN THERE, DONE THAT, UH, WORKED ALL OVER THE STATE.
UH, LAST YEAR I PROBABLY WAS IN 12 COUNTIES.
UH, UM, BUT CERTAINLY I HAVE MY SHARE OF PROJECTS RIGHT HERE IN PARKER COUNTY.
UH, FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
UH, BEFORE YOU GO ANY FURTHER, CAN I JUST REAL QUICK QUESTION IS, YES, GIVEN WHAT YOU JUST SAID AND, AND GOING AROUND, YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE A WORKLOAD THAT YOU, YOU CURRENTLY HAVE.
UH, CAN YOU ACCOMMODATE AND HAVE THE TIME TO, TO MEET THE NEEDS THAT, THAT YOU'VE DISCUSSED WITH, UH, OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY ABOUT? ABSOLUTELY.
UH, I WOULD LOVE TO HELP AND I DO, I CAN MAKE SOME TIME.
I DO HAVE ONGOING PROJECTS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE OTHER PEOPLE ON THOSE PROJECTS, SO I COULD PERSONALLY HELP OUT IN THAT REGARD.
UM, AND, AND, AND OF COURSE I WANNA THROW MY HAT IN THE RING TO HELP OUT ON FLOODPLAIN MANAGEMENT REVIEW OF FLOOD STUDIES, DRAINAGE STUDIES, AND, AND REALLY HELP OUT IN THAT REGARD.
AND YOU'RE LOCAL? AND YOU'RE LOCAL? YES, SIR.
WHERE YOU, YOU LIVE IN PUT, I LIVE IN PECAN PLANTATION, IF YOU KNOW WHERE THAT IS.
AND, UH, BUT MY OFFICE IS AT, UH, ON RIVER RUN IN FORT WORTH CURRENTLY.
UH, AND WE'RE, WE HAVE A 1500 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE, UH, THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO OPEN ON, UH, THE NEW LUBE.
DO YOU HAVE A STAFF? NOT YET, BUT WE WILL.
AS SOON AS WE OPEN UP THAT OFFICE, I'LL BE THERE.
SO THE RESOURCE THAT IS BASICALLY YOU AND YOU, UM, I HAVE OTHER HELP TOO, BUT THEY'RE SCATTERED ALL OVER THE PLACE.
Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WELL, I DON'T, YOU DON'T WANNA BE THE PERMITTING DIRECTOR, YOU JUST WANT TO HELP US OUT ON FLOODPLAINS EXACTLY.
AND AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT TO ASSIST THAT POSITION.
BUT TEMPORARILY, IF YOU NEED SOME HELP, UH, I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HELP IN THAT REGARD.
IS THERE DURATION OF HOW LONG YOU HAVE TO FULFILL OR, BECAUSE WE'RE OBVIOUSLY GONNA BE FILLING THE POSITION, WE JUST, I'D LIKE, I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE TIME TO DO THAT WITHOUT ONLY HAVING A CERTAIN TIME LIMIT WITH YOU, SO YOU OH, ABSOLUTELY.
NO, I MEAN, IF IT'S ONE WEEK, THAT'S FINE.
IF IT'S A MONTH OR TWO, I MEAN, I, I CAN MAKE TIME.
BUT YOU COULD HELP WITH THE FLOODPLAIN STUFF THAT THE COUNSELOR NEEDS TO DO OUR PLATS OH, ABSOLUTELY.
IMMEDIATELY OR, YEAH, THAT'S MY PRIMARY, YOU KNOW, EXPERTISE FOR, YOU KNOW, 40 YEARS IS FLOOD PLAIN MATTERS.
SO I'M A CERTIFIED FLOOD PLAIN MANAGER AND I'M ALSO A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER.
RARELY TILL WE GET A REGULAR ABSOLUTELY,
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ABSOLUTELY.SO IT'S PARTTIME, SO NOT FOR RFQ.
THAT'S, WE'RE HIRING TO MAINTAIN A DIFFERENT CAPACITY.
I'M GONNA MOVE THAT WE HIRE HIM PART-TIME TEMP.
I HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION JUST A SECOND.
MR. WALDEN, COMMISSIONER CONNOLLY'S MADE THE MOTION WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER WALDEN MAKING THE SECOND WE'RE IN THE DISCUSSION PHASE.
DO, DO YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE A FEE SCHEDULE OR WHAT YOUR PROPOSED FEES ARE? I CAN, I CAN EMAIL YOU ONE I DON'T HAVE ON THIS TODAY.
IT'D BE NICE TO KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
UH, YEAH, THE PAY, THE RATE OF PAY WOULD BE ON, ON THE SAME SCALE THAT RYAN WAS MAKING THE, THE PRIOR OKAY.
SO, SO YOU REVIEWED THAT AND YOU KNOW THAT ALREADY.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? THAT'S AGREEABLE COUNSELING THAT HIM, YOU WANT TO GET UP THERE, YOU GOT SOMETHING.
IT, IT'S, SO ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO IS JUST FILL HIS POSITION AT INTERIM TIME PERIOD.
SO IF, IF HE WANTS TO THEN APPLY LATER FOR THAT FULL-TIME POSITION, HE COULD, HE COULD STILL DO THAT.
BUT JUST TO GET US TO THE POINT WHERE WE DO MAKE THAT OFFICIAL HIRE FOR THAT POSITION.
BUT DO YOU MEAN PER HOUR IS WHAT THE, SO IN OTHER WORDS, THE, THE FORMER PERMITTING DIRECTOR, HIS ANNUAL SALARY DRIVEN DOWN TO THE HOUR IS WHAT WE'RE PAYING THIS GENTLEMAN OR WHOEVER WE HIRE PER HOUR.
IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN? OR ARE WE TALKING NUMBER OF PERMITS OR HOW ARE WE QUANTIFYING THAT? IT IT'S NOT GONNA BE ON PERMITS.
IT'S GONNA BE AS IF YOU'RE HIRING SOMEONE IN AN INTERIM BASIS UNTIL YOU GET A FULL-TIME POSITION.
SO HE WOULD DRAW THE SALARY THAT THAT PERMITTING DEPARTMENT WOULD HAVE MADE PRORATED DOWN PER WELL TO THE HOUR.
WRITE IT DOWN FOR PER HOUR BASIS.
WELL, 'CAUSE PART TIME WE CAN, WE CAN DO IT THAT WAY AS WELL, BUT, WELL, I, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT OUR COSTS ARE HERE.
IT'S NOT GONNA EXCEED WHAT, WHAT THE LAST DEPARTMENT HEAD IN THAT POSITION WOULD'VE MADE.
BUT IF, IF HE, AND THIS ALL CAME QUICKLY THIS MORNING, SO I DON'T THOSE, AND I'M NOT MEAN HERE, BUT IF, BUT IF HE'S WORKING ON THOSE CALCULATIONS FIVE HOURS A WEEK, THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT THAN IF HE'S WORKING 25 HOURS A WEEK.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT OUR COSTS.
THE PREVIOUS DIRECTOR WAS PAID ROUGHLY ABOUT $40 AN HOUR.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT THIS, THAT WE'RE CONTEMPLATING HERE IS PAYING THIS GENTLEMAN $40 PER HOUR.
I MEAN, I, I JUST WANNA HELP OUT AND INTRODUCE MYSELF.
AND I'M NOT, UM, SUGGESTING ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I'M SURE THAT YOU COULD PROBABLY MAKE QUITE A BIT MORE PER HOUR OH YEAH.
UH, I'M, I'M SIMPLY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON HERE.
AND THIS IS JUST TO OFFER ASSISTANCE TO GET US TO BRIDGE US YEAH.
TO THE POINT WHERE WE DO A FULL-TIME HIRE.
SO I'VE TALKED TO SEVERAL ENGINEERING FIRMS THAT CAN DO THIS AND I WOULD SAY THAT $40 PER HOUR SOUNDS PRETTY, UH, PRETTY NICE.
SO, SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT HIRING.
NO, AND, AND IT WOULD, IF, IF WE HIRED HIM INDEPENDENT JUST AS AN INDEPENDENT ENGINEER FOR REVIEW, THAT WOULD BE A WHOLE DIFFERENT R F Q DIFFERENT PROCESS, SIR.
WE'RE NOT HIRING IN THAT CAPACITY.
WE'RE HIRING IN THE CAPACITY OF INTERIM DEPARTMENT HEAD IN THAT, THAT WAY.
SO, SO THE, YOU HAVE THE LICENSING IN PLACE.
LIKE I GET A CALL AFTER HOURS LAST NIGHT FROM A SURVEYOR THAT'S BEEN TRYING TO GET SOME DIRECTION AND PERMITTING ER AND ALSO CERTIFI WHAT PLAN MANAGER.
AND WE WILL GET ALL THOSE CREDENTIALS.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE ON THE SAME PAGE.
WE'LL GET THOSE CREDENTIALS AND MAKE SURE THAT YES SIR, WE ARE, WE NEED TO BE AND THEN PROGRESS THAT WAY.
AND, AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR ASSISTANCE IN THIS MATTER.
IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS, UM, THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE? AGAIN, WHAT IS, WHAT IS YOUR FULL NAME AGAIN? I'M SORRY.
D YOU GOT A CARD? THERE'S A CARD THERE.
I, I THAT AND I GAVE YOU A CARD.
UH, IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS OTTO, BRIANA YOU HAVE? SO YOU WANNA ADD? YEAH, I WAS JUST WANTING TO ASK.
UM, BASICALLY WE'LL HAVE TO DO A BUDGET OVERRIDE.
I THINK IT'D BE CLEANER IF WE PAID, PAID OUT OF THE PART-TIME LINE.
UH, THERE'S NOT FUNDS AVAILABLE IN THERE.
AND SO WE'LL HAVE TO CALCULATE AND THEN BRING, WE'LL JUST DO IT AS A FORMAL ITEM SINCE ANYTIME WE DO, UM, SALARY BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS, IT'S AN ACTUAL AGENDA ITEM.
UM, AND SO WE WILL PLAN TO DO THAT FOR THE SEPTEMBER 11TH COURT.
JUST, YOU KNOW, TO GO ALONG WITH OUR PROCESS OF WHAT WE DO.
BUT FOR NOW THEN, WE'LL, YOU KNOW, ANY HOURS THAT ARE INCURRED, IT'LL JUST BASICALLY BE A BUDGET OVERRIDE UNTIL WE GET THOSE FUNDS IN PLACE.
THE, THE BUDGET THAT WE HAVE FOR, UH, THE FORMER RIGHT.
WE WOULD JUST BE TAKING IT FROM THAT FULL TIMELINE INTO THE PART-TIME LINE.
WE COULD PAY OUT OF THAT LINE, BUT I JUST THINK IT'S, IT'S CLEANER FOR THE BOOKS SINCE IT'S A PART-TIME TEMP.
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BECKY, YOU HAVE ANYTHING? YEAH, I JUST KIND OF WANNA CLARIFY THAT.I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA PAY HIM AS A PART-TIME TEMP, BUT OFFICE DUTY.
SO LIKE RIGHT NOW, MR. SALMON IS THE INTERIM SUPERVISOR MANAGING THE OFFICE THAT WILL STAY INTACT AND THEN HE'S JUST DOING THE REVIEWS THAT HE'S NOT ABLE TO REVIEW.
THERE'S NO BENEFITS OR, OR ANY OF THAT.
NO BENEFITS, NO RETIREMENT, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT UNDER THE PART-TIME CATEGORY UNDER PART-TIME TEMP? CORRECT.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION BY THE COMMISSIONERS? YES.
WELL WE ACTUALLY NEED IN THE INTERIM IS FLOOD PLAIN ADMINISTRATOR DUTIES, PERIOD.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR PASS FIVE.
OH, THANK YOU KENNETH, VERY MUCH FOR STEPPING OUT AND HELPING US OUT WITH THIS.
VERY MUCH SO MR. FORESTS OR, OR YOU OR YEAH.
IS, UH, JAMIE TIER GONNA GET WITH HIM ON WHAT SHE NEEDS FROM HIM OR? OH, I, I HAVE HIS INFORMATION.
I THINK HE AND I, I IS WITH MR. I THINK HE SENT SOME INFORMATION.
[II.B. Public Hearing for 2023-2024 fiscal year proposed budget. (Judge Deen) PUBLIC HEARING]
OKAY.WE'LL GO TO ITEM B ON A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE 20 23 20 24 FISCAL YEAR PROPOSED BUDGET.
UM, BEFORE WE GO INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, IS THERE ANY COMMENTS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE ON THIS? BRIANNA, DO YOU WANT TO KIND OF KICK THIS OFF BEFORE WE GO TO THE PUBLIC HEARING? SURE.
UH, LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE REQUIRES, UH, THE FILING OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET, UH, BY AUGUST 15TH.
WE FILED THE PROPOSED BUDGET ON AUGUST 9TH.
UH, STATUTE ALSO REQUIRES TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING FOR, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC COMMENT IN THE EVENT THAT THERE IS ANY, UM, NOT LATER THAN THE 25TH DAY AFTER THE FILING OF THAT PROPOSED BUDGET.
UH, IT ALSO REQUIRES NEWSPAPER PUBLICATIONS THAT WE WOULD BE HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE BUDGET TODAY.
AND SO ALL OF, UH, THOSE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN MET AND POSTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAW.
IN REGARD TO THE SCHEDULING OF THAT.
UH, CYNTHIA, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD? UH, THAT COVERS IT ON THAT.
JUST FOR THE RECORD OF THE COURTS, UH, THE PROPOSED BUDGET, UH, SPECIFICALLY FOR THE, UH, GENERAL FUND WAS FILED, UH, 66,356,939.
AGAIN, AS WE'VE HAD THESE BUDGET, UH, SESSIONS, WE'VE ADDED TO THAT AMOUNT AT THIS POINT.
UH, FOR WHAT HAS BEEN APPROVED THUS FAR, IT WOULD BRING, UH, A PROPOSED BUDGET UP TO SIXTY NINE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED FIFTEEN THOUSAND THREE HUNDRED AND SIXTY SIX 69 MILLION.
I KNOW WHAT, I SOUNDED GOOD THERE FOR A MINUTE.
I WHAT? I SAID I THOUGHT WE WAS IN GOOD SHAPE,
ARE ARE YOU OKAY?
YEAH, I NEED TO GO DRINK SOME MORE COFFEE.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT EXACT NUMBER? SIXTY NINE MILLION SIXTY NINE MILLION FIVE HUNDRED AND FIFTEEN THOUSAND THREE HUNDRED SIXTY SIX.
AND THEN I'LL GO THROUGH, UM, I GUESS WE CAN OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN I'LL GO THROUGH JUST AS A GENERAL FUND UPDATE WHAT WE'VE APPROVED THUS FAR VERY WELL.
UH, AT THIS TIME WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:27 AM UH, FOR THE, UH, 20 23 20 24 FISCAL YEAR PROPOSED BUDGET.
IS THERE ANYBODY HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THAT ITEM? IS THERE ANYBODY OUT IN THE, IN THE HALLWAY THAT MIGHT NOT? I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT.
I JUST WANTED, WANT TO COVER THOSE BASES.
IT APPEARS ONLY THE AUDITOR WISHES TO SPEAK
I LIKE HER WAY OF THINKING THIS MORNING.
THANK YOU FOR, THANK YOU FOR CHECKING ON THAT CONSTABLE.
UH, HERE, NON C NONE THEN WE'LL CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING AT 9 28 AND GO TO THE ITEM.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO ADD TO THAT? NO, I, I CAN JUST DO IT UNDER GENERAL FUND UPDATE.
ALRIGHT, WE'LL GO TO ITEM C ON DISCUSS, TAKE ACTION ON SALARY GRIEVANCE PROCESS AND DATES IN ACCORDANCE WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 1 52 0.014 IF NECESSARY.
UH, AT THIS TIME IS THERE A, A, A, UM, IS THERE ANY INTENT OR I GUESS AT THIS POINT, AND CYNTHIA, I'M GONNA DEFER TO YOU ON THAT.
IS THERE ADMIT ANY, I WOULD SAY BEFORE WE GO TO THIS ITEM, PROBABLY GO TO ELECTED.
I THINK THAT PROBABLY SHOULD BE SALARIES.
[III. Discuss/Approve general fund budget for 2023-2024 fiscal year, including but not limited to:]
TO ITEM THREE ON DISCUSS APPROVED GENERAL FUND AND BUDGET BETWEEN THREE FISCAL YEAR, INCLUDING NOT LIMITED TO ON THE TAX RATE.UH, SHOULD WE NOT WAIT ON THAT ONE AS WELL? YES.
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GO TO ITEM B.[B. Discuss/Approve General Fund budget for FY2023-2024. (Judge Deen)]
UNDER LET, BRIANNA LET ME ASK YOU THIS.
LOOKING AT THIS AGENDA, WHAT SHOULD BE OUR NEXT STEP? WOULD YOU SAY, UH, THE NEXT ONE WE SHOULD HEAR? 'CAUSE SOME OF THESE ARE NOT SEQUENCED AS WE SHOULD HAVE.
I WOULD SAY SALARIES AND BENEFITS IS ONE AND HUMAN SERVICES AS WE HAVE HERE.
UH, DO WE WANT TO DEAL WITH NON CAP CAP RIGHT NOW? UM, I WAS JUST GOING, I MEAN, I GUESS I COULD DO IT UNDER EITHER THE PUBLIC HEARING OR JUST AS A GENERAL FUND.
OH YEAH, JUST DIS JUST B TO B DISCUSS APPROVED GENERAL FUND BUDGET.
SO I'VE GIVEN YOU ALL THIS SPREADSHEET HERE.
AND SO WHAT THIS SHOWS IS THE CHANGE FROM WHAT WE'VE, UM, FILED THE PROPOSED BUDGET AT, AND THEN ANY CHANGES AT THIS POINT, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
SO THE FIRST SECTION GOES THROUGH ANY SALARY ADJUSTMENTS.
AND SO YOU CAN SEE, UM, WHERE IT'S SHOWING THE AMOUNT THAT IS, THE AMOUNT OF THE INCREASE RELATED TO THE, TO THE SALARY ITEM THAT WAS APPROVED.
UH, SO YOU CAN SEE, UM, UH, THE 3% COLA FOR, UH, ALL NON-ELECTED EMPLOYEES, AND THEN ANY, UH, APPROVALS FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS AND WHAT THAT RELATED COST IS.
AND THEN ANY OTHER SORT OF RECLASSIFICATIONS OR NEW POSITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED, UH, THROUGH THE PROCESS.
AND SO, UM, FOR SALARY AND BENEFITS FOR THE GENERAL FUND ONLY, UH, IT'S ABOUT 2.8 MILLION.
AND THEN IF YOU GO INTO THIS NEXT SECTION UNDER THAT WHERE IT SAYS DEPARTMENTAL OPERATING EXPENSE ADJUSTMENTS.
SO AGAIN, FROM THE TIME THAT THE PROPOSED BUDGET WAS FILED, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME, YOU KNOW, JUST SMALL AMOUNTS AS PEOPLE GO BACK AND LOOK AT THEIR BUDGETS, UM, IF THEY NEED ANY SORT OF ADJUSTMENTS.
THE BIGGEST ONE IN THERE, WHICH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UM, IS ACTUALLY THE REDUCTION FOR CONTRACT SERVICES RELATED TO THE LASALLE CONTRACT, UM, WHICH IS $565,000 DECREASE.
UM, AND THEN AGAIN, ANY SORT OF OTHER, YOU KNOW, ADJUSTMENTS THAT NEED TO BE MADE TO OPERATING EXPENSES, UM, ON THERE.
AND SO OVERALL FOR OPERATING EXPENSES, IT'S ACTUALLY A NET.
UM, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S INCREASES, IT'S A NET DECREASE OF 589,395 FROM THE PROPOSED BUDGET.
FROM THE PROPOSED BUDGET, CORRECT.
SO THIS IS JUST ROLLING FROM THE PROPOSED BUDGET, ANY INCREASES OR DECREASES.
UM, AND THEN THE NEXT SECTION IS CAP, NON CAP AND IT ADJUSTMENTS OF, UH, 703,000, UM, NEW EMPLOYEE CAP NON CAP, AND IT RELATED EXPENSES OF 3 93 0 8 9.
UM, AND THEN YOU'LL SEE I HAVE A SECTION THAT SAYS REVENUE ADJUSTMENTS JUST FOR PURPOSES OF GETTING THE NET IMPACT HERE.
UM, SO UNDER THAT, AND THIS IS ALL RELATED TO SENATE BILL 22, UH, FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, WE'RE SHOWING THE FULL 500,000.
AND THEN FOR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND DISTRICT ATTORNEY, YOU CAN SEE IT'S LESS THAN THE TOTAL ALLOCATION THAT THEY WOULD GET, BUT IF I PUT THAT TOTAL IN THERE, THEN IT WOULD SHOW THE NET FOR THE GENERAL FUND BEING TOO MUCH.
SO I, THOSE AMOUNTS THERE RELATED TO THE ACTUAL COSTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOR EMPLOYEES.
AND THEN THIS BOTTOM PORTION IS ROLLOVERS FROM THE FISCAL YEAR 23 BUDGET, UM, THAT HAD BEEN REAPPROPRIATED.
AND THEN OF COURSE THAT BOTTOM ITEM, UH, FOR THE FINANCIAL SOFTWARE I DID PUT PLUS INCREASED CONTRACT COST, UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, ONLY 400,000 WAS APPROPRIATED.
AND, UM, THERE WAS THAT 265,000 ADDITIONAL.
SO IT BRINGS IT UP TO, IF WE DO ALL OF TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ALL OF THE ADJUSTMENTS, UM, IT'S ABOUT 4.3 MILLION FROM THE, UH, PROPOSED BUDGET THAT WAS FILED.
SO THE NUMBER I GAVE PREVIOUSLY,
AND AGAIN, I HAD ZEROED OUT THE CONTINGENCY JUST FOR PURPOSES OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE NET IMPACT, BUT AGAIN, UM, AS WE GET CLOSER TO ADOPTION, WE'LL NEED TO TALK ABOUT WHAT, WHAT AMOUNT, YOU KNOW, FROM A GENERAL FUND CONTINGENCY, DO WE WANT TO BUDGET THERE? OKAY.
BUT THIS IS JUST A, A GOOD SUMMARY.
AGAIN, YOU KNOW, KIM WILL GIVE YOU THE MORE DETAILED LIST OF ITEMS. UM, YOU KNOW, BECKY WILL GIVE YOU WHAT'S STILL OUT THERE FOR ANY SORT OF, UH, SALARY RELATED ITEMS. BUT JUST AS AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED, UM, THIS IS A GOOD SUMMARY OF THAT.
VERY WELL, UH, SPEAKING ON, I'M, I'M, I'M KIND OF JUMPED DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
UM, I WAS, AND, AND ONE, AND ONE OF THE KEY REASONS IN COMING BACK FROM TRAINING A LITTLE BIT EARLY TO,
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TO DEAL WITH THIS, THERE'S SOME IMPORTANT ISSUES TO DISCUSS.[3. Salaries and Benefits for Elected Officials. (Becky McCuIlough / Judge Deen)]
REQUESTED TO REOPEN THE ON THE SALARIES AND BENEFITS OF ELECTED OFFICIALS.UM, COMMISSIONER HOLT, UH, I'M GONNA DEFER TO YOU ON THIS, UH, ON, LET'S SEE, SALARIES AND BENEFITS FOR NON-ELECTED OFFICIALS.
THIS IMPACTS ITEMS NUMBER THREE AND FOUR, SALARIES AND BENEFITS FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS AND SAL.
AND NUMBER ITEM FOUR, SALARIES AND BENEFITS FOR NON-ELECTED OFFICIALS.
UM, IF YOU'LL INDULGE ME, I'M GONNA DEFER TO YOU ON YEAH.
ON ALMOST TWO ITEMS, SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND DEAL WITH THAT NOW.
SO JUST PUTTING THIS AS BLUNTLY AS I CAN PUT IT, OR AS STRAIGHTFORWARD AS I CAN PUT IT, AS WE LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, EVERY ONE POINT RAISE OR EVERY ONE POINT INCREASE IN THE SALARY BENEFITS, SALARY AND BENEFITS FOR OUR NON-ELECTED EMPLOYEES IS APPROXIMATELY $317,000.
IS THAT, IS THAT ABOUT RIGHT? BECKY? ABOUT FOUR 50, ABOUT 450 FOLKS WHO ARE THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND OF SERVING THE RESIDENTS OF OUR COUNTY.
TO ME, WHEN YOU LOOK AT INFLATION, YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT UTILITY PRICES HAVE DONE, YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT GROCERY PRICES HAVE DONE, ET CETERA.
THE EMPLOYEES OF THE COUNTY WHO ARE HIT THE HARDEST BY THIS ARE GENERALLY GOING TO BE THE EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE THE LOWEST ANNUAL PAY.
AND THAT'S JUST GROCERIES, TAKE UP A LARGER PERCENTAGE OF IT, ET CETERA.
I WOULD LIKE THIS COURT TO CONSIDER GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND THE 3% FOR NON-ELECTED.
SO REALLY, I'M, I'M SPEAKING LESS ABOUT THE ELECTED AND I'M SPEAKING MORE ABOUT THE NON-ELECTED.
IF WE CAN DO 3% FOR ELECTED, I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY SHARPEN OUR PENCILS AND FIND A WAY TO GET TO 5% FOR THE NON-ELECTED.
I THINK THAT'LL HELP WITH SOME KEY FEATURES SUCH AS MORE COMPETITIVE PAY FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, FOR HIS DEPUTIES THAT ARE SERVING OUT ON THE, THE LINES.
AND I THINK THAT'S, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD STRONGLY CONSIDER.
HAVE YOU, UH, RESEARCHED, BECAUSE I'VE LOOKED AT WHAT THE INFLATION INDEX IS, AND IT'S KIND OF A LITTLE BIT HARDER TO INTERPRET THIS THIS YEAR THAN IT WAS IN A PREVIOUS YEAR.
UM, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER WOULD BE? BECAUSE IT'S, THERE'S SOME VARIABLES TO IT THAT IT'S, I I THINK THAT NUMBER IS DEPENDENT ON WHAT SOURCE YOU GO TO.
COMMISSIONER HALE AND I WERE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE CPI DASH U MM-HMM.
UM, OH, I WAS LOOKING AT CLOSER TO, OH, NEARLY RIGHT AT FIVE.
UM, YEAH, IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT FACTORS YES, YOU INCLUDE.
IF YOU TALK ABOUT GROCERIES, THAT'S WAY OVER 3%.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE GENESIS OF THIS CONVERSATION IS IF WE CAN GET TO THREE FOR THE ELECTED, I'D SURE LIKE TO GET TO FIVE.
SO THERE'S COMPONENTS IN THE, THAT, THAT WHAT, FROM A STANDPOINT OF COST OF LIVING, THERE'S COMPONENTS THAT ARE, ARE EXCEEDING THAT, BUT ON AVERAGE WHAT THEY DO IS THEN TAKE AN AVERAGE, BECAUSE SOME COMPONENTS HAVEN'T CHANGED MUCH.
BUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT, THAT JUST THE NORMAL COST OF LIVING IS, IS MORE THAN THE THREE THAN WHAT WE'RE OFFERING THEM AND TRYING TO MAKE BECAUSE, WELL, WE DID GIVE A 10% LAST YEAR, THE, THE INFLATION INDEX, IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE DID THE LAST TWO YEARS, WE'RE STILL BUYING THE CURVE A LITTLE BIT.
BUT WE DID GIVE A GOOD, A GOOD RAISE.
UM, I DO THINK THE THREE, AND, AND TO YOUR POINT, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, AND, AND I, AND I'LL JUST, I'LL ADD TO WHAT YOU SAID THAT, UM, AND I, I DON'T WANT, THIS DOESN'T WHAT THE, I KNOW THIS COMMISSIONER'S COURT WORKS A GREAT DEAL AND DOES A GREAT JOB WITH, UH, HISTORICALLY KEEPING OUR TAX RATE LOW AND, AND, AND BEING VERY CONSERVATIVE IN THEIR BUSINESS.
AND, AND, UM, AND I CERTAINLY DON'T MEAN THIS BY ANY, THAT I WOULD, I WOULD DEFER MY, MY RAISE TO INCREASE THAT IF THAT WOULD HELP.
BUT, UH, I CERTAINLY DON'T WANNA SPEAK WITH THE COMMISSIONERS AS A WHOLE, BUT, OR THE JOB, GREAT JOB THAT THEY'RE DOING.
BUT I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT OF A BUMP JUST TO ENSURE THAT WE TAKE CARE OF OUR PEOPLE.
SO, BECKY, WHAT, UH, THAT PERCENT NUMBER WAS WHAT EACH PERCENT, IF WE 317,000 IS TOTAL COST FOR EACH PERCENT.
RIGHT? SO LIKE, YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED THREE, WHICH IS 9 51.
634,000 TO GO FROM THREE TO FIVE.
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I'M AWARE.AND I'M CONSCIOUS OF THE FACT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TAX DOLLARS, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE, THESE ARE DOLLARS THAT COME OUT OF FOLKS PAYCHECKS, UM, IN TERMS OF THE RESIDENTS.
SO I WANT TO BE VERY RESPECTFUL OF THAT AND, AND REMEMBER THAT BECAUSE WE ARE DEALING WITH A BUDGET THAT THE NUMBERS AREN'T WHERE WE HOPED THEY WOULD BE FROM THE NUMBERS THAT SHOWED UP ON THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT WEBSITE AND KIND OF WHAT WE ALL HAD INITIALLY FORECAST.
HOWEVER, IF WE HAVE TO PRIORITIZE, TO ME PRIORITIZING THE BENEFITS AND THE WELLBEING OF OUR EMPLOYEES, THE FOLKS WHO ACTUALLY SERVE DAY TO DAY, THE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTY THE MOST, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT I'D REALLY LIKE TO MAKE SURE GET TAKEN CARE OF.
SO THE GOOD THING ABOUT, ABOUT THE, UH, NON-ELECTED EMPLOYEES IS THAT WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.
THOSE DON'T HAVE TO BE MADE, THEY DON'T HAVE TIME CONSTRAINTS.
THEY COULD BE MADE RIGHT UP UNTIL THE, UH, THE VERY END.
AND SO THERE ARE LOTS AND LOTS OF NEEDS THAT WE HAVE HERE THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED AT ALL.
AND, UH, THEY'RE ADDRESSING, I MEAN, ADDRESSING THOSE NEEDS AND LOOKING AT, AT WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, OVER $20 MILLION IN REQUESTS AND, AND WHERE WE ARE IN, IN RELATION TO THOSE.
UH, I, MY CONTENTION IS WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO BEFORE WE, UH, ARE ABLE TO MAKE A DECISION ON THAT.
TO BE HONEST, I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT AT ALL.
I JUST WANNA BRING THAT TO THE COURT'S ATTENTION AND KEEP THAT KIND OF THE FRONT OF OUR MIND THAT BEFORE WE CLOSE THE BOOKS ON THIS PROCESS, I'D LIKE TO REVISIT THIS.
I JUST, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT, UH, UH, WE, WE, UH, AS WE HAVE MOVED FORWARD HERE, WHAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO IS ESTABLISH THOSE THINGS THAT, THAT WE FELT LIKE WE HAD TO DO ABSOLUTELY HAD TO DO.
AND, AND ON SEVERAL OF THESE ISSUES, WE DID PART OF THE REQUEST AND SAID, UH, TO THOSE REQUESTERS THAT WE WILL EVALUATE THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND SEE IF WE'RE ABLE TO, UH, TO, TO FEEL COMFORTABLE IN MAKING THE REMAINDER OF IT.
AND I'LL USE THE, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AS ONE OF THOSE.
WE'VE, WE'VE APPROVED SOME POSITIONS, BUT THERE WERE SEVERAL MORE THAT WERE ASKED FOR.
SO I I I, TO YOUR POINT, I, I, UH, I UNDERSTAND.
HOWEVER, I THINK WE NEED TO WAIT, UH, FOR, FOR MY BENEFIT TO SEE HOW MUCH ELSE WE NEED TO PUT ON THIS HAVE TO HAVE LIST BEFORE WE GO BACK TO THE, THE LIST.
AND, AND, AND IF I MAY, UM, I, I DON'T DISAGREE, COMMISSIONER WITH, WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID, AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO, BUT I, I, I WANT TO GO BACK TO JUST AGAIN, SOME, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MY BELIEF IS IN THIS IS THAT THERE'S NOT ONE COMPONENT OF THIS BUDGET, AND THAT'S DEFINITELY DEBATABLE.
THAT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN OUR PEOPLE.
AND, UH, I THINK THIS SHOULD BE SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED.
UH, WE CAN DEFER THIS, WE CAN WAIT, AS YOU SAID, WE, THAT CAN COME DOWN TO THE LAST, THE FINAL TIME FOR THIS.
BUT AGAIN, BEING WHERE WE ARE IN GROWTH, UM, THE COST OF WHAT IT TAKES TO HAVE SOMEBODY TRAINED THEN LEAVE.
AND WE'RE CERTAINLY SEEING THIS NOW IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
WE'RE HAVING A, IN DEALING WITH THAT.
BUT, AND THAT WASN'T ABOUT MONEY, BUT IT IS A FACTOR THAT YOU TAKE CARE OF YOUR PEOPLE.
AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY A BIG, BIG PART OF THAT, UH, BEING IN THE GROWTH MODE THAT WE'RE IN, IN, UM, WE'RE ALL TASKED WITH DOING MORE WITH LESS.
AND THAT WAS A THEME I HAD WHEN I WAS IN THE, IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
UH, AND WE'RE CERTAINLY DOING THAT HERE.
UM, I WOULD STRONGLY SUGGEST, GIVEN THAT CONSIDERATION ON BEING A PRIORITY, TAKING CARE OF YOUR PEOPLE, AND IF WE CAN, UM, GIVE THAT SUPPORT, AND I, I, I, I COMMEND YOU COMMISSIONER HULL FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND TRYING TO, UM, GET TO, BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU GOTTA TAKE CARE OF YOUR BEST ASSET.
AND THAT'S THE PEOPLE THAT'S IN THIS ROOM AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT WORKING RIGHT NOW AND THE RESPECTIVE OFFICES AND MAKING PARKER COUNTY, UH, UH, THE COUNTY IT IS TODAY.
BUT, UH, I STRONGLY SUPPORT AND, AND HOPE WE CAN DO THAT.
SO, UH, IT'S UP TO THE COURT WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO DO.
SO WE GET A, A SET NUMBER OF THIS 640,000 I, RIGHT? THAT WOULD BE FOR FUND, UM, OH, NO.
BUT THE JUDGE IS GONNA FORFEIT HIS 3% RAISE.
SO CAN YOU SUBTRACT HIS 3% FROM THAT SIX 40 AND GIVE US A, A SET NUMBER OR, UM, I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE STILL GONNA DO THAT OR HAVEN'T CHANGED MY MIND? NO.
SO IF YOU, IF WE SUB SUBTRACT HIS THAT HE'S DONATING BACK,
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WHAT WILL THE NUMBER BE? 6 38? YEAH.AND I, AND I, AND YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR THE ENTIRE COURT, BUT AG AGAIN, IT'S JUST A PRIORITY FOR, IT WOULD BE LOWERING $3,677.
IT'S NOT A LOT, BUT I WOULD JUST ASK THE, YOU KNOW, THE COURT TO, UM, AND I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY, BUT I JUST, IT'S THAT IMPORTANT TO ME THAT WE TAKE CARE OF THE PEOPLE THAT, THAT WE RELY ON EVERY SINGLE DAY.
AND, AND AS ELECTED OFFICIALS, WE'RE ONLY AS GOOD AS THE PEOPLE THAT WE, THAT WORK FOR US.
AND I THINK YOU AND, AND, AND, AND COMMISSIONER HOLT COMING ON BOARD, AND I THINK Y'ALL ARE DOING A GREAT JOB, BUT I THINK YOU CLEARLY HAVE NOW SEEN THAT THE, THE CALIBER AND QUALITY OF THE PEOPLE AND THE TENURE, THE, THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN IN YOUR RESPECTIVE PRECINCTS, UH, AND IN, IN COUNSELOR IN YOUR OFFICE, THAT YOU RELY ON THE PEOPLE THAT ARE EFFICIENT IN WHAT THEY DO.
I MEAN, WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.
AND, UH, SO YEAH, NO, I ABSOLUTELY WHOLEHEARTEDLY WAIVE WHAT I'M GETTING TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
AND THAT'S A SMALL AMOUNT, BUT I THINK IT, IT ALSO SENDS A MESSAGE THAT, UM, WE'RE WE'RE THE DECIDING GOVERNING BODY UP HERE THAT MAKES DECISIONS FOR THIS COUNTY, MA MAKING THAT COMMITMENT SHOWS AND A SUPPORT THAT'S UNPRECEDENTED TO THE PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR US, THAT WE WANNA TAKE CARE OF 'EM.
I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA MOVE THAT WE TAKE THIS UP AT A, AT A LATER COURT AND THAT WE PRE WE BE PROVIDED OF A LIST OF THE SALARIES FOR ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
MOTION MADE BY, 'CAUSE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT NON-ELECTED, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME SURPRISES, I THINK IN THERE.
I, I WANNA BE PROVIDED A LIST OF THE SALARIES FOR EACH OF THOSE INDIVIDUAL EMPLOYEES.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HAL FOR THE DISCUSSION.
IT'S NOT LETTING ME, THERE IT GOES.
BEFORE WE MOVE ON, COMMISSIONER HOLT, DID THAT, ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA ADD TO THAT? NO, THAT'S ALL I HAD.
I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO THE COURT'S ATTENTION AND KEEP THAT, YOU KNOW, BRIGHT AND SHINY RIGHT IN THE FRONT OF OUR EYES.
AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE.
I KNOW THERE'S THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
UM, OKAY, LET ME SAY REAL QUICK.
I'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF LISTENING.
UH, I'M IN AGREEMENT IN PRIVATE SECTOR IN MY BUSINESS.
UH, I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS FOR E EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TIME PERIOD THE LAST TWO OR THREE YEARS.
IT'S FRONT AND CENTER AGAIN THIS WEEK WITH ME IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
I KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OF TAKING CARE OF GOOD PEOPLE AND TAKING CARE OF YOUR EMPLOYEES AND IN PARTICULARLY THE GOOD ONES.
UH, THAT BEING SAID, UH, I, I'M IN, I'M IN A LOT OF THE SAME THOUGHT PROCESS WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER WALDEN AS FAR AS THESE EXPENSES.
AND SO BY, BY PUSHING THIS TODAY, BY NO MEANS IS THIS MOVING IT DOWN THE PRIORITY AS FAR AS THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS.
I JUST FELT IT IMPORTANT THAT I GO ON THE RECORD FOR THAT.
OKAY, LET'S MOVE TO, UH, LET'S GO BACK TO ITEM B TWO ON THE HUMAN SERVICES BUDGET REQUEST UPDATES.
UH, BRIANNA, DO YOU HAVE ANY UPDATES ON THAT? CAN I, OR BECKY, I NEED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING IN ELECTED OFFICIAL SALARIES, COULD WE ACTUALLY MOVE TO THAT MOTION OR THAT AGENDA ITEM? GO, I'M SORRY, SAY AGAIN.
AND LET'S, LET'S GO BACK TO THEN, NOW WE'RE
[4. Salaries and Benefits for Non-Elected Employees. (Becky McCuIlough / Judge Deen)]
IN ITEM FOUR, NOT TO PROCEED.SO IT WAS DISCOVERED YESTERDAY IN AUDITING, WHENEVER WE WERE WORKING ON THE NOTICE FOR ELECTED OFFICIAL SALARIES AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, THAT, AND I WILL OWN IT.
THIS MISTAKE STARTED WITH ME BACK IN JANUARY.
SO WHENEVER I SUBMITTED THE SALARIES FOR THE NEW ELECTED OFFICIALS ON JANUARY ONE, I ACCIDENTALLY MADE A MISTAKE, SUBMITTED THE SALARY FOR JUDGE MARTIN HIGHER THAN IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN.
I SUBMITTED THE AMOUNT THAT WAS BUDGETED FOR, BUT THE BUDGETED AMOUNT, WE HAD TO DO ADJUSTMENTS TO IT BECAUSE WE HAD A JUDGE LEAVING THAT MADE A MUCH HIGHER AMOUNT THAN THE JUDGE COMING IN.
SO JUDGE MARTIN'S SALARY SHOULD HAVE BEEN 1 72 700, AND HE'S BEING PAID 1 78 2 90 0 6.
SO TO DATE, WE'VE ACTUALLY OVERPAID HIM 3000 639 68.
NOW, THE POSTING THAT WAS MADE IN THE PAPER FOR ELECTED OFFICIAL SALARIES WAS HIGHER THAN THAT.
SO THERE'S BEEN NOTHING ILLEGAL DONE.
IT WAS A CALCULATION MISTAKE THAT IS MINE, AND I OWN THAT WHOLEHEARTEDLY.
SO HE OWES THIS MONEY BACK WITH INTEREST
SO ESSENTIALLY IT COMES OUT TO ABOUT, HE WAS OVERPAID 3%.
SO I VISITED WITH HIM ABOUT IT YESTERDAY.
HE WAS EXTREMELY GRACIOUS AND GENEROUS AND WAS LIKE, WHATEVER COURT
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DECIDES TO DO, I WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, ONE DECISION COULD BE SINCE BASICALLY YOU ALREADY GOT A 3% RAISE, THEY MAY JUST, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD HOLD YOUR SALARY AS IT IS AND NOT GET A 3% RAISE FOR FISCAL 24, OR YOU COULD JUST LEAVE IT ALONE.HE DIDN'T REALIZE THAT HE WOULD BEEN PAYING, BEING OVERPAID.
AND SO I'M JUST BRINGING IT TO COURT AGAIN, ADMITTING THE ERROR.
AND SO, BUT DOES HE GET A 3% RAISE? THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED, BUT THAT'S ON REALLY 3% MORE THAN WHAT HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN PAID.
BRIANNA, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? I WAS JUST GONNA SAY TO ADD TO IT, BECAUSE THIS IS THE ONLY ELECTED OFFICIAL WHERE THE STARTING ELECTED OFFICIAL IS MAKING SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THE OUTGOING ONE BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE CCL JUDGES ARE PAID.
SO IT WAS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, EVEN EVEN IN MY OFFICE WHEN WE AUDITED IT, WE ALWAYS AUDIT TO THE BUDGET OF WHAT THAT RIGHT ELECTED OFFICIALS PAID.
AND SO IT WAS, IT WAS PAID WHAT WAS BUDGET.
SO EVEN IN OUR OFFICE, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, TO ME, LIKE FROM STANDPOINT OF ME LIKE, THIS, THIS IS, THIS WILL BE RESOLVED ONCE WE MAKE A FINAL DETERMINATION OF WHAT THAT PERCENT IS GONNA BE, WHETHER HE JUST STAYS WHERE HE IS AT OR THAT HAS TO BE, AND THAT THAT DECISION WILL BE MADE AT A LATER DATE WHEN WELL, IT HAS TO BE MADE TODAY.
I THINK BECAUSE HE WAS OVERPAID, COURT NEEDS TO MAKE THE DECISION OF, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY TO APPROVE WHAT HE WAS OVERPAID, THAT THAT EMPLOYEE WOULD NOT BE, YOU KNOW, OWE SOMETHING BACK TO THE COUNTY.
AND THEN AGAIN FROM THE SALARY NEXT YEAR, YOU KNOW WHAT THAT'S GONNA BE.
SO THE DECISION ON ELECTED OFFICIALS NEEDS TO BE MADE TODAY BECAUSE THERE'S THE POSTINGS.
UM, AGAIN, BECAUSE THIS CHANGES SOMETHING, ANY CHANGES TO ELECTED OFFICIAL SALARIES TODAY, THEN, YOU KNOW, REQUIRES, UH, THE JUDGE'S OFFICE TO THEN SEND SALARY LETTERS AGAIN AND RESTARTS THE GRIEVANCE.
RIGHT? SO HE'S ALREADY BEEN SENT THE LETTER BASED ON THE APPROVALS FROM THE OTHER DAY.
SO IF IT'S LOWERED, THEN HE WOULD NEED TO RECEIVE A NEW LETTER.
SO, AND AGAIN, HE WAS EXTREMELY KIND.
HE WAS LIKE, WHATEVER COURT DECIDES TO DO IS FINE WITH HIM.
IS THAT A, IS THAT A LEGAL QUESTION COUNSELOR THAT WE TAKE THE MONEY OR, OR CAN HE LEGALLY JUST, I MEAN WE MADE THE MISTAKE, SO DOES HE JUST GET TO KEEP THE MONEY OR, OR CAN WE TAKE IT BACK? THE COURT HAS MULTIPLE WAYS OF ADDRESSING THAT ISSUE.
SO YOU COULD LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS.
YOU COULD GO BACK, SEND THOSE BACK TO HIM, REPOST, AND YOU COULD ACTUALLY ADVERTISE STILL, WE STILL HAVE TIME IN THE PAPER TO ADVERTISE.
SO REALLY IT'S A DIS WITHIN DISCRETION OF THE COURT TO MAKE A, A DECISION ON HOW TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE.
CAN I I, CAN I GET ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION? DID WE PAY HIM WHAT WE PUBLICLY NOTIF OR WHAT WE NOTIFIED THE PUBLIC WE WOULD PAY HIM? OR DID WE PAY HIM MORE THAN WHAT WE NOTIFIED THE PUBLIC? NO.
SO FROM THE POSTING, THE POSTING WAS AT THE 1 93 400 UHHUH, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE OUTGOING C L JUDGE MADE.
SO WE PAY HIM MORE THAN WHAT WE TOLD THE PUBLIC.
SO FROM THAT STANDPOINT, WE'RE FINE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT ELECTED OFFICIAL SALARIES.
BUT WHAT COURT APPROVED FOR THAT? YOU KNOW, FOR THE INCOMING ONE, IT WAS AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT.
SO I WOULD SAY MAKE A MOTION ON THE OVERPAYMENT NOW, AND THEN MAKING THE DECISION ON WHAT THE SALARY IS GOING FORWARD FOR FISCAL YEAR.
CAN I COMBINE THAT INTO ONE OR DO I HAVE TO DO TWO SEPARATE ONES? BECAUSE I'M AS LONG, AS, LONG AS IT'S A ADDRESSED BOTH WAYS, I THE MOTION, I MEAN, I WOULD DO 'EM SEPARATELY.
HIS OFFICE IS GONNA BE SO UNDER BUDGET BECAUSE ALRIGHT.
I MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE LEAVE HIS CURRENT PAY AS IT IS, BUT WE EXCLUDE HIM FROM THE 3% RAISE.
WILL THAT MANAGE IT? WILL THAT DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IF THEY KEEP HIS CURRENT SALARY, BUT NO APPROVE WHAT HE'S CURRENTLY BEING PAID, BUT EXCLUDE HIM FROM THE 3% RAISE.
'CAUSE THAT GETS US, THAT GETS US TO WHERE, WHERE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE.
SO THAT WOULD BE, SALARY IS 1 78 2 90 0 6 FOR FISCAL 23.
AND FOR FISCAL 24 WE HAVE MOTION BY, I'M SORRY, I THINK IT'S FAIR.
WE HAVE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HOLT WITH THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CONY.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR PASS FIVE.
SORRY, GOING BACK TO ITEM TWO ON HUMAN
[2. Human Services Budget Requests Updates. (Brianna Fowler / Judge Deen)]
SERVICES BUDGET REQUEST UPDATES.THIS IS, AGAIN, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THAT, UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S BEEN ANY CHANGES SINCE THAT.
JUST TO RECAP, PERHAPS, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S BEEN ANY CHANGES SINCE WE'VE DONE THAT.
UH, SO IS THERE ANY ACTION ON THAT ONE? WE DID RECEIVE A LETTER FROM, UM, THE PARKER COUNTY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES BOARD.
UM, AND I'LL HAND THIS OUT TO YOU AS WELL AS THERE WAS A DISCUSSION TO BE,
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UM, TO BE DISCUSSED TODAY ABOUT THE PARKER COUNTY HISTORICAL COMMISSION.SO LET ME PASS THIS OUT AND THEN, OKAY.
ON THE CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES BOARD, THEY JUST GAVE YOU GUYS ALL AN UPDATE ON WHAT, THERE HAD BEEN SOME, UM, FUNDING REDUCTIONS AND SO THEY JUST WANTED TO UPDATE YOU ALL OF WHAT THOSE, UM, REDUCTIONS WERE AND HOW IT THEY WERE AFFECTED AND HOW IT WOULD AFFECT THE NEW PETITION TO COMMISSIONER'S COURT.
UM, NO ACTION NEEDS TO BE MADE ON THIS TODAY.
SO YOU ALL HAVE, UM, SOME TIME TO THINK THROUGH THIS, BUT WE RECEIVED THIS LETTER YESTERDAY, LATE AFTERNOON, AND I WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT TO YOU ALL TODAY.
NOW WE CAN GO TO THE OTHER ONE FOR THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION.
SO, UH, SENTIA HAS HANDED OUT THE REQUEST FROM THE PARKER COUNTY HISTORICAL COMMISSION.
AND SO IN THE BODY OF THE EMAIL IT SAYS THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR 24,500.
BUT IF WE LOOK AT, UM, THEIR ACTUAL DETAIL BUDGET, IT'S SHOWING, UM, ASKING FOR $24,000, UH, FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
AND SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, EACH YEAR, JUST FROM THE TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL FUND, I ZERO THAT OUT FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET.
AND THEN THAT WAY THE COURT CAN TAKE ACTION EACH YEAR AS FAR AS, UH, WHAT THEN IS BEING APPROVED.
AND SO AT THIS POINT, SINCE THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY ACTION ON IT, UM, WHETHER YOU ALL WANNA TAKE ACTION TODAY OR, UM, ANOTHER DAY, IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WILL HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED BEFORE THE ADOPTION, UM, FOR THEM.
SO IN THE CURRENT, UH, BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 23, THE COURT HAD APPROVED, UM, A TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL FUND FOR THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION OF 15,000.
AND THEN IN 2022 IT WAS 15,000.
AND IN 2021, I BELIEVE IT WAS 70 OR 9,700.
AND SO, UM, NOW THEY'RE ASKING FOR AN INCREASE OF 24,000.
AND AGAIN, INCREASE 2 24, RIGHT? TWO 24,000.
BUT JUST FOR, UM, UNDERSTANDING THERE, THERE IS NOTHING BUDGETED AT THE CURRENT TIME FOR A TRANSFER, UM, FROM THE GENERAL FUND FOR PURPOSES OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET.
SO THAT'LL BE, UH, SOMETHING THAT THE COURT WILL NEED TO TAKE ACTION ON.
AND WE WERE DOING 15 AND THEY WON'T.
SO LOOKING AT THEIR DEAL THERE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE TRYING TO BUY SOME THINGS TO, TO, UH, FOR THEIR, UH, OFFICE OVER HERE IS WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO.
IT'S, IT'S NOTHING OUT OF THE, NOT CONTINUING THINGS, BUT IT'S THINGS THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR, FOR SHELVING.
IT'S ONE RELATED, RELATED ITEMS OVER HERE FOR THEIR DEAL.
AND, AND I, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE A BRANCH OF COUNTY GOVERNMENT.
I'M GONNA MOVE THAT WE, UH, ALLOCATE $24,000 TO THE, UH, UH, HISTORICAL PARK COUNTY HISTORICAL COMMISSION MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN.
WE HAVE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CONLEY.
YOU GOT SOME DISCUSSION? WELL, I HAD ONE QUESTION DOWN HERE.
IS THAT FOR GRANT RESEARCH? SO WHAT THAT EXPENSE WOULD BE, I GUESS, OR DO WE KNOW? UM, I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE GIVEN GRANTS, UM, LIKE TO WEATHERFORD COLLEGE, UM, THEY'VE DONE CERTAIN KIND OF, UH, SETTING UP LIKE MEMORIAL SCHOLARSHIPS.
UM, I KNOW THAT WAS, I I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS IN THE CURRENT YEAR, BUT I BELIEVE IN THE PRIOR FISCAL YEAR, THERE WERE TWO INDIVIDUALS FROM WEATHERFORD COLLEGE.
UM, AND LET ME SEE, THEY'VE, THEY'VE GIVEN GRANTS TO, UH, THINGS LIKE THE, UH, UH, RESTORATION OF THE PRINCE MEMORIAL CHURCH.
UH, HISTORICAL THINGS IN THE COUNTY
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THAT THEY HAVE ASSISTED.UH, THE OTHER ONE I THINK WOULD BE THE, UH, UH, SCHOOLHOUSE OVER THERE THAT THEY, UH, GAVE SOME MONEY TO FOR THAT.
THEY'RE ALL HISTORICAL MEANS THERE'S HISTORICAL UNDERSTAND THEIR MISSION IS HIS PRESERVING OUR HISTORY.
AND I KNOW ONE, UM, PIECE, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S ACTUALLY IN THIS EMAIL, IT MAY BE, UH, DESCRIBED, BUT I KNOW I HAD MET WITH, UM, MR. WARREN AT ONE POINT AND UNDER THE SPECIAL PROJECTS FOR CONTRACT SERVICES, THAT 7,000, UM, I KNOW, AND I CANNOT THINK OF THE NAME, IT'S OVER HERE.
BUT THERE IS, UM, A, I GUESS BUILDING THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO, UM, HAVE IT BE A HISTORICAL BUILDING.
AND SO THERE'S A WHOLE PROCESS AND APPLICATION, UM, IN ORDER TO DO THAT.
SO I KNOW THAT 7,000 IS TO ASSIST WITH, WITH THAT APPLICATION.
'CAUSE ITS VERY, IT'S JIM WRIGHT HOUSE.
THEY'RE TRYING TO GET NATIONAL, HIS HISTORICAL DESIGNATION OF THAT PROPERTY, I BELIEVE.
AND SO THAT'S, I KNOW THAT'S WHAT THAT 7,000, UM, IS ABOUT IS TO ASSIST THEM WITH, UH, FILLING OUT THE APPLICATION AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
I I BELIEVE IT'S A VERY LENGTHY, I THINK YOU SAID MAYBE LIKE A COUPLE YEAR PROCESS OF EVEN TRYING TO JUST GO THROUGH THE, THE APPLICATION PORTION OF IT.
SO THE OTHER ONE WE HAVE IS THE CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES BOARD.
WELL, WE, WE NEED TO FINISH THIS MOTION.
UM, DID EVERYBODY VOTE ON THAT? THAT IT IT WENT OFF THE SCREEN.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I COVER THAT.
I, I GUESS, I MEAN, FOR ME, THERE'D BE SOME CLARIFICATION HERE A LITTLE BIT, I GUESS ON THE PARKER COUNTY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICE.
KIND OF CLARIFY WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT IS ABOUT.
UH, I BELIEVE THEY'RE JUST ASKING FOR THE CONTINUED SUPPORT.
UM, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE, I THINK THEY'VE PROVIDED A BUDGET OF HOW THEY, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEIR FUNDING HAS DECREASED AND STUFF AND JUST SO HOW MUCH THEY'RE, UM, RELYING ON THE SUPPORT OF THE COUNTY.
AND SO I BELIEVE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, ASKING FOR THAT CONTINUED, UM, ALLOCATION TO THEM.
AND I, I, THE, THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE CONTINUED, BUT I SEE THEIR LOST FUNDING HERE, WHATNOT.
BUT, UM, UH, I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE ENTITIES THAT COULD RECEIVE MORE FUNDING FROM THE AUTO REGISTRATION, JENNY, IS THAT CORRECT? THEY DO.
I KNOW THEY GET SOME, BUT THEY, THEIR PERCENTAGE OF THE REQUEST THERE IS THE TOTAL IS SEEMED LIKE, SEEMED TO ME LIKE I RECALL THAT IT WAS LESSER THAN IT IS.
AND SO, UM, I MEAN I COULD LET JENNY SPEAK ON IT, BUT, UM, BASICALLY HOW THOSE PERCENTAGES ARE SET IS BASED OFF OF THE REQUEST, UM, OF THOSE ENTITIES.
AND SO THAT'S HOW THOSE PERCENTAGES, UM, ARE DETERMINED.
AND SO I BELIEVE, WAS IT JUST TWO COURTS AGO, UM, FOR THIS CURRENT YEAR OF THE PROGRAM, UM, THOSE PERCENTAGES WERE SET, RIGHT? BUT AGAIN, IT, IT'S BASED OFF OF THE, THE AMOUNT THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY REQUESTING.
DID WE NOT, DID WE NOT PREVIOUSLY PASS THAT AMOUNT IN A PREVIOUS COURT? THE $34,600? YES.
SO I THINK SENTIA JUST WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE IT TO THE COURT THAT THERE WAS THAT COMMUNICATION AND YOU KNOW, PART OF IT WAS ALSO THINKING THE COUNTY FOR THEIR CONTINUOUS SUPPORT.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE ALREADY, RIGHT, SO THAT'S ALREADY IN THE BUDGET.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON THE, UH, LEMME GET BACK TO IT HERE.
WE'VE GOT PAPERS ALL OVER THE PLACE ON THE HUMAN SERVICES.
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY OTHERS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED? OKAY, WE WILL, UH, MOVE ON TO ITEM FIVE.
UM, BEFORE WE DO THAT, LET'S GO TO ITEM SIX,
BRIANNA, THAT WAS JUST FOR THE TORICAL.
OKAY, ON ITEM FIVE, ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEE SALARY REQUESTS AND OUR NEW POSITIONS, BECKY STEPPED OUT.
WE ABLE TO GO TO ITEM FOUR THEN ON DISCUSS APPROVED PRECINCT FUND 50 AND FUNDS ONE THROUGH FOUR FOR BUDGET 20 20 24.
[1. Capital & Non-Capital Budget Requests Updates including but not limited to: (Kim Rivas / Judge Deen)]
TALK ABOUT CAT STUFF THAT THAT WAS I WAS GOING OUT OF MAY.I MEAN FOR GENERAL, I THINK SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBER ONE.
WELL, WE B NUMBER ONE ON THE AGENDA.
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CAP NON CAP BUDGET REQUEST.SO WE CAN GET A, SO WE CAN GET A, A YES.
WE GOT OVERLOOKED, LAID, FOLDED IN FRONT OF US HERE.
OKAY, SO I, I DID GIVE YOU A SUMMARY.
AGAIN, THIS SHEET, THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF GENERAL FUND CAP, NON CAP, INCLUDING ALL, UM, ROLLOVER EXPENSES, NEW EMPLOYEE EXPENSES, IT RELATED EXPENSES AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
THE TOTAL AMOUNT REQUESTED WAS $12.5 MILLION.
CURRENTLY, Y'ALL HAVE APPROVED $2.8 MILLION, LEAVING $9.6 MILLION.
I DO WANT TO ADD ONE ITEM THAT WAS, UM, INADVERTENTLY LEFT OFF THE ROLLOVER, ONE OF THE VEHICLES, UM, FOR C I D.
SO WE NEED TO ADD 42,500 1575 TO THE ROLLOVER AMOUNT, AND THAT WOULD NEED A VOTE.
SO THAT'S MONEY THAT WAS APPROVED IN A PREVIOUS YEAR.
IT WAS APPROVED LAST YEAR, BUT IT'S JUST ROLLED OVER.
AND FOR IT, IT IS FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
AND WE'RE HOPING TO GET THAT VEHICLE DELIVERED BEFORE THE END OF SEPTEMBER, BUT IT'S STILL IFFY ON THE, ON THAT MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CONNOLLY.
OH, AND I ALSO WANT TO ADD THE JUVENILE PROBATION, UM, CAPITAL AND NON CAP REQUEST.
THEY'VE REQUEST, UM, THEIR BOARD, HER BOARD APPROVED A VEHICLE.
IT'S A CHEVROLET MALIBU OR A FORD EXPLORER, UH, FOR $67,805.
SO I JUST WANT YOU ALL TO BE AWARE OF THAT WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE GENERAL FUND AMOUNT.
UH, THAT WILL BE INCLUDED IN FUND ONE 90, WHICH IS THE, UH, JUVENILE COUNTY FUNDED JUVENILE PROBATION.
AND SO NEXT WEEK I SHOULD HAVE A UPDATED NUMBER OF WHAT THAT TRANSFER LOOKS LIKE TO COVER WHAT WAS APPROVED.
SO WE'RE FINALIZING, THAT'S OUTFITTING THE VEHICLE AS WELL, I ASSUME? NO, THERE'S NO OUTFITTING.
I THINK THE ONLY THING ON ONE OF 'EM, I THINK THEY HAVE TO PUT, UM, A CAGE IF THERE'S ANY LIKE, THAT'S KIND WHAT I WAS, BUT IT SHOULD INCLUDE EVERYTHING'S, YEAH.
UNLESS THAT'S 67 DOESN'T YEAH, 67 IS EVERYTHING.
I'M GONNA ASK THAT THE, BY THE, THE NEXT TIME WE MEET THAT WE HAVE A LIST OF THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE, UH, ARE MANDATED TO THE COURT BY OUTSIDE SOURCES, OUTSIDE AGENCIES THAT WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER.
AND THAT WOULD BE, ONE OF THOSE WOULD BE THE, YOU HAVE A LIST THAT I HAVE A, I CAN GIVE YOU THE ORDERS TODAY THAT I RECEIVED.
I, I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A LISTING OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER.
AND ONE OF THOSE WOULD BE THIS, THIS REQUEST RIGHT HERE.
UH, WE WE'RE BEING TOLD THAT WE BY THE, THE JUVENILE BOARD THAT WE HAVE TO PURCHASE THIS.
THAT COMES OUT OF OUR BUDGET, THE COUNTY BUDGET.
SO YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE, UM, AUDITOR'S BOARD, THE PURCHASING BOARD, JUVENILE BOARD.
THOSE THREE BOARDS, THEY'RE THINGS THAT WE'RE BEING TOLD AND WE'RE BEING GIVEN THE NUMBER THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE INCLUDED IN OUR BUDGET THAT WE AS COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND COMMISSIONER COURT, WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER.
HOW MUCH IS, DID YOU SAY THAT CAR WAS AGAIN? 67,000.
IS IT TWO CARS? TWO CARS? YES.
I PROVIDED YOU WITH MY CUSTODY.
AND I HAVE TWO TO INCLUDE SALARIES.
WE, SO THE JUVENILE, UM, ALSO ON, UM, IT RELATED EXPENSES HAVE A TOTAL AMOUNT FOR FOUR MONITORS, TWO SCANNERS, THREE DESKTOP COMPUTERS, AND TWO LAPTOP COMPUTERS.
ALSO, THAT'S ADDED ON TO THE IT STUFF WE ALREADY VOTED ON.
SO WHERE DID THIS COME FROM? JUVENILE PROBATION.
OH, IT'S FAR JUVENILE PROBATION.
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IN THE OTHER, IT, RIGHT, IT'S NOT IN THE 671,000 UNITS.DO YOU REMEMBER REPEATING THE NUMBER? I'M SORRY.
DO YOU MIND REPEATING THAT NUMBER? $9,542.
THAT'S MORE OF THE SAME OF WHAT YOU JUST ASKED.
IT'S MORE MONEY THAT IT'S MANDATED.
THEY'RE TELLING US WE HAVE TO PAY.
SO DO WE EVEN NEED TO MOTION ON THAT SINCE, I MEAN, I MEAN, IF YOU WANNA WAIT TILL THE LIST IS PROVIDED FOR THE COURT, I WOULD SAY IT WAS JUST WAIT AND GET THE LIST.
I YOU'VE A LIST HERE OF ALL THE CAP NON-CAT STUFF FOR ALL THREE OFFICES.
IT'S ALL INCLUDED IN EVERYTHING YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN.
I DON'T HAVE SALARY INFORMATION THAT WOULD COME FROM BECKY.
I SAY IT PROVIDED IT IN THE, I'VE PROVIDED AUDITOR, COURT REPORTER,
THE ONLY THING THAT I DON'T HAVE IS THE TRANSFER ADJUSTMENT TO THE TRANSFER FOR PROBATION.
WE CAN GO AHEAD AND IT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE A LIST BEFORE I VOTE ON THAT.
THAT WAY WE CAN SHOW THE PUBLIC THAT WHAT WE ARE FORCED TO PAY.
WELL, IT'S, YEAH, IT'S NOT, IT'S JUST ANOTHER UNFUNDED MANDATE THAT CONTINUES TO GROW WOULD SEEM ONE RESOURCE TO ANOTHER.
WHAT? ANYTHING ELSE? UH, WELL, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF CAP AND NON CAP STUFF THAT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED AT THIS POINT.
UH, FOR A TOTAL OF, UM, LET'S SEE.
THERE'S $8,776 OF NEW EMPLOYEE EXPENSES.
OF COURSE, THOSE EXPENSES WOULD COME IF YOU APPROVED NEW EMPLOYEES.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO 2000, I MEAN, SORRY, 2,094,000 $185 WORTH OF OTHER DEPARTMENT REQUESTS, CAP ONCAP REQUESTS.
MAJORITY OF THOSE HAVE NOT BEEN DISCUSSED OR APPROVED.
CAN WE GO AHEAD AND LET'S GO AHEAD AND JUST TAKE A STAB AT IT AND LET'S JUST START THAT PROCESS.
WHAT I WOULD SAY IT'S, I'M GONNA GO AWAY.
UM, SO THE COUNTY JUDGE'S OFFICE HAS REQUEST A VEHICLE FOR 20 3007 40.
I WANT TO, CYNTHIA, COULD YOU COME UP FOR A MINUTE? I MEAN, AGAIN, I WANT TO, THIS SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN TAKEN OUT OF THE BUDGET TO BEGIN WITH.
THAT, THAT, THAT BUD, THAT CAR HAS BEEN IN THE BUDGET FOR 20 YEARS.
UM, I TOOK IT OUT BECAUSE OF THE WAY, THE CONDITION OF THE CAR AND, AND, AND THE, THE MAINTENANCE WAS NOT BEING DONE ON IT.
SO I REMOVED IT FROM MY FORMER EMPLOYEE, SHOULD'T HAVE DONE THAT.
I SHOULD, I SHOULD'VE LEFT IT IN THE BUDGET AND JUST REPLACED IT BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS LIKE 10 YEARS OLD.
UM, AND IT WAS NOT WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER A GOOD REPRESENTATION OF REPRESENTING THE COUNTY AT EVENTS, UM, COMMUNITY EVENTS THAT WE GO TO.
SO I, WE JUST TOOK IT OUTTA THE BUDGET AND IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
I THINK FOR THE AMOUNT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, IT IS RELATIVE TO WHAT WE'RE PAYING YOU TO DRIVE YOUR PERSONAL CAR AND, AND, AND THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE AND THE PROGRAMS THAT YOU HAVE PUT TOGETHER IS UNPRECEDENTED.
AND, AND, BUT THAT NEEDS TO BE APPROVED.
AND, AND SO WE DO HAVE A MOTION, UH, COMMISSIONER CONY, UH, THANK YOU FOR THAT.
TO APPROVE THAT ITEM AS PRESENTED.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER CONY.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.
WE'RE IN THE DISCUSSION PHASE OF THAT.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? YES.
HOW MANY MILES HAS SHE BEEN REIMBURSED FOR IN HER PERSONAL VEHICLE IN THE LAST THREE YEARS? DO YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION? I THINK IT TOTAL LIKE 4,000 OR 4,000, $4,000 WORTH IN THE LAST THREE YEARS.
HOW MANY MILES PER YEAR ARE YOU DRIVING YOUR PERSONAL VEHICLE ON COUNTY BUSINESS PER YEAR? I DON'T KNOW, BUT I PUT IN 20,000 MILES LAST.
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A LOT OF THE MILEAGE THAT I PUT INTO MY CAR THAT IS COUNTY BUSINESS, I HAVE BEEN EATING IT.I HAVE NOT BEEN CHARGING THE COUNTY FOR, SO IT HASN'T BEEN SUBMITTED FOR REIMBURSEMENT.
I'M SITTING HERE IN A POSITION WHERE WE'VE GOT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS SITTING HERE AND I'M, I'M TALKING, TRYING TO ADDRESS THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO PAY FOR AND THINGS.
THEN WE'RE DELVING INTO AREAS THAT ARE NICE TO HAVE.
IT WOULD PROBABLY BE NICE TO HAVE, BUT IT'S NOT AN, IT'S NOT AN ABSOLUTE NECESSITY.
AND THEREFORE I HAVE TO LOOK, UH, AT WHAT THE ABSOLUTE NECESSITY IS.
WELL, YOU CAN CALL IT A NON NECESSITY, BUT THE FACT THAT, THAT THIS HAS BEEN BUDGETED AND BEEN IN THE BUDGET FOR A REASON FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS, IT HAS NOT BEEN IN THE BUDGET SINCE, FOR SINCE THE TIME THAT YOU'VE BEEN HERE.
IT HAS, IT WAS, I REMOVED IT THE SECOND YEAR.
I WAS, I WAS IN OFFICE BECAUSE OF THE TREATMENT OF THE VEHICLE.
IT SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN TAKEN OUT OF, OUT OF IT.
AND IT WAS IN THE BUDGET FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS FOR A REASON, BECAUSE WE'RE ASKING AN EMPLOYEE TO DRIVE THEIR PERSONAL VEHICLE AND PUTTING MILES ON IT THAT SHE HASN'T EVEN REVERSED THE COUNT, RE BEEN REIMBURSED BY THE COUNTY ON AND EATEN IT.
UH, BUT SHE REPRESENTS THE CITY, THE COUNT, I'M SORRY, THE COUNTY ON A VARIETY OF, OF, OF TOPICS.
AND, UH, WITH THE, WITH FROM COOK CHILDREN'S TO, I MEAN, JUST ON AND ON AND ON.
SHE'S OUT OF THE OFFICE DOING A GREAT JOB.
AND THAT SHOWS AND REFLECTIVE OF THE PROGRAMS THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.
UH, BUT THAT HAS BEEN IN THE BUDGET, IT IS A NECESSITY, UH, BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN IN THE BUDGET FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS IF IT HADN'T BEEN.
AND SO WE'RE ASKING THIS PERSON TO DRIVE THEIR OWN PERSONAL VEHICLE.
AND EVEN IF SHE IN WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, UM, SHE HAS, SHE HASN'T BEEN TURNING IT IN.
AND SO, BUT YEAH, IF WE'RE GONNA DO THAT, IT'S GONNA COST US A SUCCINCT FUND OF WELL, WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO REIMBURSE HER FOR HER TO WEAR HER OWN VEHICLE OUT DOING JOB FOR THE COUNTY.
IT ABSOLUTELY IS A NECESSITY, UH, BECAUSE WE'VE ASKED HER TO DO THIS.
AND IT'S JUST, IF WE'VE ASKED, WE, WE ASK HER TO DO A JOB, SHE DOES HER JOB, BUT WE'RE NOT GIVING HER THE TOOLS IS WHAT IN THE HI, IN, IN THE, IN THE PAST HAS BEEN GIVEN TO THAT EMPLOYEE TO DO THEIR JOB.
AND NOW WE'RE ASKING THIS EMPLOYEE TO DO IT WITHOUT THAT RESOURCE.
AND THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST WRONG.
IT SHOULD, IT SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN TAKEN OUT OF THE BUDGET.
UH, I'D BEEN IN OFFICE FOR TWO YEARS, OR RIGHT AT TWO YEARS WHEN WE REMOVED THAT VEHICLE.
AND IT SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN REMOVED.
AND IT WAS IN THE, IN THE BUDGET FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS FOR A REASON.
UM, IT'S, IT'S, AND BEFORE IT WAS TAKEN HOME, AND THAT WAS ANOTHER REASON WE JUST REMOVED IT, BUT THAT SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN REMOVED.
I BELIEVE THAT PREVIOUS VEHICLE WAS PAID FOR WITH GRANT FUNDING.
I I DON'T KNOW THAT I DO THOUSAND EIGHT.
SO IF THAT VEHICLE'S BEEN APPROVED THROUGH GRANT FUNDING.
AND THEN HOW DO WE THEN HOW DO WE, I I GUESS THIS IS A QUESTION FOR YOU, BRIANNA.
HOW WOULD WE, IF YOU KNOW, HOW WOULD WE BE ABLE TO DO THAT? AGAIN, IT WAS LIKE HYBRID.
IT WAS A HYBRID VEHICLE THAT WAS DONE THROUGH A SPECIAL, UM, FUEL, LIKE CLEAN AIR CONCRETE FOR IT.
SO IS THERE A, IS THERE A PROCESS FOR THAT TO LOOK AT HOW THAT WAS DONE BEFORE TO DO IT AGAIN? 'CAUSE I, I, I DON'T WANNA SPEND THE MONEY UNLESS WE HAVE TO, BUT THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THAT I WOULD CALL A NEED AND WELL, THE COUNTY, COUNTY WE GOT FOR, UM, CHEVROLET MALIBU, THAT HYBRID VEHICLES THAT YEAR.
THE, YOUR OFFICE GOT ONE, UM, COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE GOT ONE AND PERMITTING GOT TWO.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHOSE OFFICE DID THAT.
I THINK JOEL DID THAT WORKED ON THE GRANT.
JOEL'S NOT HERE ANYMORE, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT GRANTS ARE AVAILABLE FOR VEHICLES.
I MEAN, WE CAN EXPLORE THAT, BUT I'D LIKE TO DO IT IN A QUICKLY, KIM, BECAUSE I, I DON'T WANNA REMOVE THIS FROM THE BUDGET.
IT'S A NECESSITY TO ALLOW THIS INDIVIDUAL TO DO THEIR JOB AS IT SHOULD BE WITHOUT HAVING THEM TO WEAR THEIR OWN CAR OUT TO DO THAT.
I MEAN, I, I'M PUT IT OUT THERE.
UH, WE HAVE A, A TRUCK UNDERNEATH PURCHASING AND WE SHARE IT WITH EVERYBODY.
I MEAN, THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE USES, UH, T USES IT.
SOME AUTO REGISTRATION USES IT, SOME, UM, SO IT IS AVAILABLE ALSO.
WELL, MAYBE IT MIGHT BE BE THAT OUT THERE.
IT JUST, IT, ITS, YOU GOTTA GET IT, MAKE A RESERVATION FOR IT.
AS FAR AS I KNOW, THE NUMBER 4,000 WAS PUT IN THERE, PAID FOR REIMBURSEMENT.
WHAT'S THE, WHAT IS THE RATE? IS IT A MILEAGE REIMBURSEMENT RATE? AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS? 61 CENTS, 65.
BECAUSE I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT SHE'S GONNA START REPORTING IT.
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AWARE THAT IT WASN'T, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON, BUT, UH, SHE DID, SHE DID IT JUST TO SAVE THE COUNTY MONEY.AND HERE WE ARE SITTING THERE SAYING, WE'RE NOT GONNA APPROVE THIS.
AND, UM, BUT SHE WILL START REPORTING IT.
I CAN ASSURE YOU IF, IF WE DID DO THIS, BUT I WOULD RATHER GIVE HER THE RESOURCES SHE NEEDS TO BE SUCCESSFUL TO DO HER JOB WITHOUT SITTING THERE THINKING, OKAY, WELL NOW I GOTTA TAKE MY OWN CAR AND NOT BEING SUPPORTED TO DO THAT.
BECAUSE THAT IS GONNA BE AN EXPENSE OF THE COUNTY AND BEING REPORTED, AND THAT IS GONNA, IS IT'S GONNA ADD UP TO GET, AND I I CAN JUST THE FACT THAT THERE'S NO, THERE'S NOTHING TO PUT IN THE CAR OTHER THAN THE 23 7 AND FOR A WHILE THAT WE'VE APPROVED, UM, I MEAN 23 7 IS, IS A SMALL AMOUNT TO PAY THAT'S GONNA BE HERE A LONG TIME THAT WILL NOT HAVE TO HAVE HER FILE EXPENSES ON MILEAGE AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT.
THAT'S A CONTROLLED EXPENSE BECAUSE SHE CONTINUES TO, TO, TO BUILD PROGRAMS AS SHE SHOULD.
THAT'S WHAT SHE'S BEING PAID TO DO.
UH, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THAT NUMBER WILL BE EXCEEDED OVER THE COMING, NOT IN A YEAR, BUT OVER THE COMING YEARS.
THAT NUMBER WILL, IT WILL BE EXCEEDED 23 7.
NOT TO MENTION THE FACT, I THINK IT'S INAPPROPRIATE TO HAVE SOMEBODY JUST DRIVE THEIR OWN PERSONAL CAR PER COUNTY BUSINESS.
WELL, I CALLED THE VOTE JUDGE.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I'VE GOT A, I'VE GOT A QUESTION.
I, CYNTHIA, YOU SAID THAT IT WAS 20,000 MILES IS WHAT YOU DROVE LAST YEAR, BUT I THINK YOU WERE GONNA FINISH THE THOUGHT ON HOW MUCH OF THAT WAS IN YOUR GUESS PERSONAL VERSUS WORK.
DO YOU MIND CLARIFYING THAT? YES.
SO I RAN SOME NUMBERS AND I HAD ABOUT FROM 600 MILES A MONTH TO 8 75 MILES A MONTH.
WHAT'S THAT TRANSLATED TO EXPENSE DOLLARS HAD YOU EXPENSED IT? ABOUT 4 58.
IF YOU TAKE THE MINIMUM, IT WON'T TAKE LONG TO PAY THAT 23 7.
SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS IT'S NOT BEING DRIVEN HOME.
IT'S GONNA BE USED, UH, ACCORDING TO THE, WHAT OUR POLICY IS ON THAT.
AND, UH, I CAN ASSURE YOU GOING FORWARD, UH, IF IT DIDN'T GET APPROVED, THAT NUMBER THAT YOU ARE GOING TO EXPENSE, UH, WILL EXCEED THAT NUMBER.
SO IT'S SAVING THE COUNTY MONEY AND IT'S REPRESENTATIVE IN SUPPORTING THE POSITION.
UH, BECAUSE I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT BRIANNA, I'M, I'M SORRY, NOT BRIANNA.
CYNTHIA DOES A GREAT DEAL OF, OF, OF THINGS, UH, RANGING A VARIETY OF TOPICS.
BUT THE, THE, THE THING THAT SHE HAS, HAS REALLY DONE WELL IS THE OUTREACH PROGRAMS THAT WE'RE DOING THAT THAT HAS BEEN RECEIVED OVERWHELMINGLY IN THE COMMUNITY.
SO THIS, SO THAT, I MEAN, ON TOP OF THIS, WE'RE TALKING COUNTY FUEL AS WELL.
MAINTENANCE FUEL MAINTENANCE AND TIRES, INSURANCE TIRES, INSURANCE TIRES, WHICH SHE'S PAYING FOR HERSELF RIGHT NOW ON HER OWN VEHICLE.
WELL, THAT'S INCLUDED IN FIVE A MONTH.
SO ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW WHAT THE, KIND OF, WHAT THE OVERHEAD IS THAT GOES ALONG WITH THE VEHICLE.
IF THERE'S AN AVERAGE 'CAUSE THEN WE CAN COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES WITH WHAT THE REIMBURSEMENT IS.
I THINK I HAVE LIKE A, I'M SORRY, 5 22.
AND THEN I HAVE A $250 TIRE BUDGET.
I HAVE $500 AUTO REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE, AND THAT INCLUDES INSPECTIONS AND, YOU KNOW, AUTO REGISTRATION FEES AND SO FORTH.
SO, SO AN ADDITIONAL $1,100 A YEAR, DID YOU SAY? DID YOU SAY $800? I I'M EIGHT.
IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? A LITTLE BIT OVER 800 MILES.
SO THAT'S 520 ALONE, JUST RIGHT THERE ON THE, ON THE, FROM THE, I, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE YOU DRIVE EIGHT, 800 MILES
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A MONTH ON COUNTY BUSINESS.I CAN GIVE YOU THE LIST OF ALL THE PROGRAMS THAT I RUN.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHERE YOU DR.
WHERE YOU HAVE DRIVEN 800 MILES IN ONE MONTH ON COUNTY BUSINESS.
I WILL ABSOLUTELY SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH YOU.
I DO RUN A LOT OF PROGRAMS. I MOVE TO TABLE THIS MOTION UNTIL THE NEXT COURT SESSION.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HALE.
IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? ALL IN FAVOR.
DEPARTMENT 4 0 6, OFFICE OF EMERGENCY SERVICES.
THEY HAVE, UM, A $20,000, I'M SORRY, $20,603 REQUESTS FOR SMALL TOOLS AND EQUIPMENT.
UM, 20,000 OF THAT IS FOR TRAINING EQUIPMENT.
AND THEN 12 PORTABLE RADIOS AT $180 EACH FOR 2160, OR A TOTAL BUDGET REQUEST FOR 20 2007 63.
I'M GONNA REQUEST THAT WE HAVE AN ITEMIZED LIST OF THAT AT THE NEXT COURSE BY THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR.
UM, MOVING DOWN TO DEPARTMENT FOUR 15, PROBATE AUDITOR.
UM, REQUEST IS FOR COURTROOM BENCH SEATING, UM, FOR A TOTAL OF $3,450.
THAT'S, THAT'S IN THE COURTROOM? IT'S IT'S IN THE PROBATE OFFICE.
AGAIN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
IT, WHAT THAT DOES BASICALLY IS MEET THE GROWING NEED.
THAT'S, UM, I MEAN IT'S PROBABLY OVER 300%.
I THINK OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY CAN ATTEST TO THAT BECAUSE THE, WHAT THE IMPACT IT'S MADE TO HIM AND HIS RESOURCES.
AND, AND, AND, AND THERE HAS BEEN A COMPLAINT ABOUT, UH, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM OR TO ENOUGH SEATING, UH, FOR THOSE THAT WANT TO ATTEND AND HAVE TO STAND.
AND SO WHAT THIS DOES IS MEET THE NEED AND THE GROWTH THAT'S IN THAT COURTROOM.
AND THERE WERE TIMES WHEN WE TRIED TO DO PROBATE IN HERE AND IT JUST, IT'S NOT CONDUCIVE TO THAT.
AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THIS A, A ALL IN ONE COURTROOM THAT HAS THE NECESSARY SEATING FOR THE GROWTH THAT HAS BEEN INCURRED BY THIS COUNTY.
SO JUDGE, ARE YOU HOLDING PROBATE COURT IN, IN THERE, IN THAT OFFICE OVER THERE? WE'VE HAD TO MOVE IT OUT BECAUSE WHEN THEY REDID THE FLOOR, WE HAD TO FIND ANOTHER HOME.
AND SO WE STARTED DOING IT HERE.
AND THIS IS NOT REALLY CONDUCIVE TO THAT.
SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS WE DO HOLD GUARDIANSHIPS MENTAL COMPETENCY HEARINGS, UM, IN THAT ROOM, AND WE WANT GUARDIAN, OR WE WANT PROBATE HELD IN THERE AS WELL, BECAUSE THERE'S CONFLICTS IN THIS ROOM SOMETIMES WHERE WE CAN'T DO THAT.
SO, UH, THE SEATING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, WE'VE TALKED TO A DESIGNER ON THAT, THAT WHAT WOULD MEET THE NEED THAT WE HAVE.
AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT THIS IS, IS JUST TO MEET THE NEED OF THE GROWTH THAT WE'VE HAD.
AND THIS COURTROOM IS NOT ADEQUATE TO HOLD PROBATE COURT.
IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT CONDUCIVE TO HAVING THEM WITH, AND WE'VE EVEN HAD THAT THING MOVED.
BUT IT DOES NOT, IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT THE BEST ENVIRONMENT FOR IT.
I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S, I I'M THIS LEGAL QUESTION HERE.
CAN WE MOVE COURTS AROUND WITHOUT THE PERMISSION OF COMMISSIONER'S COURT? CAN PROBATE BE MOVED AROUND TO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS WITHOUT THE PERMISSION OF COMMISSIONER'S COURT? DO WE NOT ALLOCATE SPACE AND WHERE THOSE ACTIVITIES TAKE PLACE? THE, THE COURT AS A WHOLE CHOOSES LOCATION.
SO IS THERE A RELOCATION THAT'S BEING, APPARENTLY THERE'S BEEN ONE WITHOUT OUR KNOWLEDGE.
WELL, I, IF YOU'RE SAYING TO ME THAT I HAVE TO GET APPROVAL FROM MS. COURT TO, WHILE THAT ROOM WAS BEING TORN TO PIECES AND WE HAVE TO FIND A PLACE TO GO, I WASN'T AWARE THAT I NEEDED TO GET APPROVAL FROM THE COURT TO FIND A COURTROOM TO, TO CONDUCT PROBATE BUSINESS.
UM, AND DID IT NOT TAKE PLACE PREVIOUSLY AT THE ANNEX? WELL, THAT WAS WHEN WE WERE MOVED OUT BECAUSE OF THE, THE SCHEDULING OF THAT PREVIOUS JUDGE.
AND IT CONTINUES WITH THE NEW JUDGE NOW THAT WE, UH, IT JUST, IT IS, IT DOESN'T FIT OUR SCHEDULE AND WE CAN DO IT.
AND THAT IT GOES BACK TO A COUPLE YEARS AGO WHEN WE MADE THAT A COURTROOM AND BECAUSE OF THE GROWTH OF THAT, UM,
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IS WHAT WE DID THAT FOR.AND THEN WHEN THEY RECONSTRUCTED THAT AND BROUGHT BACK THE WOOD FLOOR THAT PUSHED US, WE, WE HAD TO HAVE COURT SOMEWHERE.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE STATUTE SAYS THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT DETERMINES THE LOCATION AND THE USAGE OF COUNTY FACILITIES.
BUT IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT I, I NEEDED APPROVAL FROM THIS COURT TO BRING IT IN THIS ROOM INSTEAD OF IN THAT ROOM.
NO, I'M SAYING TO MOVE IT FROM THE ANNEX TO THIS BUILDING WOULD'VE REQUIRED, WELL, WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR TWO YEARS.
I WASN'T AWARE SINCE IT'S MY SPACE, THEN I'M OVER A PROBATE.
I DIDN'T KNOW I NEEDED TO HAVE THE COURT'S APPROVAL FOR THAT.
THE, THE COURT WILL ALLOCATE SPACE.
HOW IT'S UTILIZED WOULD BE UP TO THAT DEPARTMENT HEAD.
SO IF THE SPACE IS ALLOCATED FOR THAT DEPARTMENT, THEN THEY CAN UTILIZE THAT SPACE, HOW THEY CHOOSE TO UTILIZE IT.
HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, IT IS UP TO THE COURT TO ALLOCATE SPECIFIC, UH, SPACE WITHIN THE COUNTY BUILDINGS.
SO THAT, THAT HAS BEEN A, A COURTROOM IN THE PAST USED FOR THAT.
IN FACT, I THINK IT WAS A COUNTY COURT OF LAW COURT BACK YEARS AGO.
UH, A SPACE THAT'S ALLOCATED TO ME.
SO IF I CHOOSE TO USE THAT IN SPACE, THAT'S ALLOCATED TO ME, DOES THAT NEED TO GO TO THE COURT? THAT SPACE ALREADY ALLOCATED TO YOU TO UTILIZE ANY OF THE SPACE THAT YOU HAVE AVAILABLE TO YOU.
SO IT DOESN'T NEED COURT APPROVAL.
NOT WHEN IT'S ALREADY ALLOCATED TO ME ANYWAY.
I'M NOT SURE, COMMISSIONER, WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THIS.
I GUESS I'M, I'M, I'M SAYING THAT THIS IS A COURTROOM RIGHT HERE, AND I BELIEVE IT'S ADEQUATE FOR YOUR PROBATE.
I I BELIEVE IT'S ADEQUATE FOR COMPETENCY HEARINGS.
IT WAS ORIGINALLY A DISTRICT COURTROOM.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S A COURTROOM TO BE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS COURTROOM? YES.
I WOULD JUST RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE.
I'M, I'M NOT BEING, TRYING TO BE MEAN ABOUT IT OR ANYTHING, BUT IT'S A COURTROOM.
IT'S JUST FOR GUARDIANSHIPS MENTAL COMPETENCY HEARINGS, STATUS HEARINGS.
IN WHAT WAY? UH, THOSE ARE ENVIRONMENTS WHERE IT'S JUST, IT, IT, IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE SENSITIVE TO THE WARD THAT'S THERE FOR THOSE THAT ARE OBSERVING.
UH, IT'S JUST, IT JUST DOESN'T MEET THE NEED, UH, THAT WE HAVE IN SOME OF THOSE CASES THAT REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN INTIMATE ENVIRONMENT.
THIS DOES NOT, THIS DOES NOT MEET THAT NEED.
SO ANYWAY, I, AGAIN, I'M OVER THE JUDICIAL SIDE OF THE PROBATE MENTAL COMPETENCY HEARINGS GUARDIANSHIPS.
UM, I HAVE, I HAVE NO PROBLEM IN IF THIS, IF THIS COURTROOM WORKED ON A ONGOING BASIS, UH, TO USE THAT.
AND I'M, I'M JUST TELLING YOU THAT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WHAT I DEAL WITH IN PROBATE, UH, AND THIS DOES NOT MEET THAT NEED.
WHAT, WHAT SEATING OR ADDITIONAL SEATING IS THIS DOLLAR AMOUNT PROVIDE AS FAR AS BENCH SEATING OR I GUESS PEOPLE THAT IT ACCOMMODATES NUMBERS.
IT PROVIDES, UM, BENCH SEATING, UM, SIMILAR TO WHAT IS IN THE EAST ANNEX COURTROOM, THE NEW COURTROOM.
IT'S, IT'S GANG SEATING THAT CAN BE HOOKED TOGETHER OR NOT.
IT'S FOUR BENCHES THAT WILL SEAT THREE EACH.
SO IT'S A TOTAL OF 24 SEATS FOR 3,400.
AND THE COURT'S GOTTA UNDERSTAND THAT.
IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE GROWTH THAT WE'VE HAD IN MENTAL COMPETENCY HEARINGS IS OFF THE CHARTS.
IT'S, IT'S, UH, PROBABLY OVER 300%, UH, GUARDIANSHIP HEARINGS.
IT'S A DIFFERENT, IT'S A DIFFERENT ANIMAL THAN WHAT PROBATE IS.
UH, THE NECESSITY FOR THAT IS MUCH, IT GOES WELL BEYOND THIS COURTROOM OF WHAT THAT INVOLVES.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S NOT CONDUCIVE TO THAT ENVIRONMENT.
I CAN JUST TELL YOU THAT, JUDGE, COULD YOU PROVIDE THE DATA OF HOW MANY GUARDIANSHIP HEARINGS HAVE BEEN HELD IN THAT ROOM IN THERE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS? OH, THANK YOU.
I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS NEEDED TO.
COULD YOU PROVIDE THAT DATA FOR US? UH, THE DATA EXISTS NOW.
I THINK THAT, UH, I'M, THE COUNTY CLERK HAS THAT DATA COULD MAKE IT AVAILABLE TO THE COURT.
THE, IN FACT, IT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO YOU ALREADY THAT, UM, MS. DLE GAVE YOU SHOWING THE GROWTH AND PROBATE GUARDIANSHIPS MENTAL COMPETENCE HEARINGS.
WE ALREADY, I DON'T KNOW WHERE I, I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT WE ALREADY HAVE THAT DATA AVAILABLE.
SO YOU HAVE THAT DATA ALREADY.
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DRAMATIC INCREASES, AS I'VE STATED IN GUARDIANSHIPS MENTAL COMPETENCY HEARINGS, THAT DRAMATICALLY CHANGED THE NEED THAT WE HAVE IN OUR JUDICIAL SYSTEM.AND THAT'S THE SAME, IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN IN THE DISTRICT COURT, COUNTY COURT OF LAW.
WE PROCEED DRAMATIC GROWTH IN THIS.
AND THAT IS NO DIFFERENT HERE IN MINE.
AND IN FACT, I'LL JUST SAY THAT, UH, JUDGE HERMAN IS OVER PROBATE IN, IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, HAS, UH, ASKED US AND, AND FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS THAT WE NEED ANOTHER PROBATE AUDITOR.
AND WE HAVE CONTINUED TO CROSS TRAIN USE EXISTING PERSONNEL TO SCHEDULE, TO ALLOW MY PROBATE AUDITOR TO SPECIFICALLY DO PROBATE AUDITING, TO MINIMIZE THE COST OF THIS COUNTY.
AND FOR WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, TO GET AND DEAL WITH THE GROWTH IN THAT, UM, IS DRAMATICALLY LESS THAN WHAT IT COULD BE.
'CAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HIRE, I'M NOT ASKING FOR ANYBODY ELSE TO HIRE, UH, EVEN THOUGH THE STATE FEELS LIKE WE NEED ANOTHER ONE.
UH, WE'VE CROSS-TRAINED, WE'RE DOING SOME, SOME THINGS THAT CAN SAVE THE COUNTY MONEY.
UH, THIS IS A SMALL AMOUNT TO DEAL WITH THE GROWTH THAT WE HAVE.
CAN I, CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION TO THE COURT? CAN WE TAKE A FIVE TO 10 MINUTE RECESS PLEASE? I THINK WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE STARTING TO BOG DOWN A LITTLE BIT ON SOME OF THESE ITEMS. AND IF WE COULD JUST TAKE A FIVE TO 10 MINUTE RECESS AND COME BACK RECORD SHOW.
WE'LL, UH, TAKE A RECESS FOR 10 MINUTES AND THE RECORD SHOW AT 10 35 RESUME THE, UH, BUDGET SESSION HERE.
RECORDS SHOW THAT WE'LL COME BACK AT 10 45.
KIM, KIM, IS THERE ANYTHING ON HERE THAT YOU HAVEN'T PREVIOUSLY TALKED TO US ABOUT? UM, NO.
I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF SHERIFF'S OFFICE STUFF, UM, THAT HASN'T BEEN ACTED ON AS OF YET.
NO, LET'S GO TO THAT SHERIFF'S STUFF.
YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ON YOURS? IT'S RIGHT DOWN HERE FOR WHATEVER Y'ALL WANT ME TO DO.
YOU WERE HERE ABOUT THE EMPLOYEE.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA, TO YOUR POINT, UH, COMMISSIONER, I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE GOT REQUESTS FOR LOTS OF VEHICLES FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
JOE, DO YOU, YOU WANT, I'M LOOKING ON PAGE TWO HERE.
I I WAS LOOKING AT, UM, UM, 500 DASH SIX, NO, I'M SORRY, THE 500 DASH 63, THE, YEAH, THERE'S PATROL 2024 TAHOES.
SO THEY, THEY HAVE REQUESTED, UM, 19 AND A TOTAL AT 48,955 EACH FOR A TOTAL OF 930,545.
AND THEN THE UPFITTING FOR THOSE IS 437,000.
ARE WE AT 563 OR THAT? AND SO, UM, SO THE TOTAL OF 1.3 6 7 5 45 FOR VEHICLES PLUS OUTFITTING.
AND, AND SO I, I THINK THE REASON I SKIP OVER TO THAT IS BECAUSE WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE THOSE VEHICLES IN THE, IN THE, IN THE QUEUE TO GET THOSE ORDERED.
WELL, SO I DID SUBMIT, UM, AFTER SPEAKING WITH THE DEALERS MM-HMM.
THAT, THAT IF APPROPRIATED FUNDS, WE INTEND TO PURCHASE SO MANY VEHICLES.
UH, I TOOK ALL THE BUDGET REQUESTS FOR ALL THE DEPARTMENTS AND SUBMITTED LETTERS OF INTENT FOR ALL THOSE VEHICLES.
HOWEVER, IF THE COURT DOES NOT APPROPRIATE FUNDS, THEY KNOW THAT WE WILL NOT, WE ARE NOT OBLIGATED FOR A PO FOR THOSE, UM, THEY CAN SELL 'EM, NO PROBLEM.
SO I HAVE SUBMITTED LETTERS OF INTENT.
WE ARE IN THE QUEUE FOR THE WINDOW ORDER WINDOW.
UM, BUT IT, IT'S ALL DEPENDENT ON ADOPTING THE BUDGET.
WELL, THE OTHER THING IS THAT IF WE DON'T BUY, UH, THESE VEHICLES, THEN IN ONE YEAR, WE'RE SO FAR BEHIND THAT WE CAN'T CATCH UP.
AM AM I CORRECT IN THAT THAT IS, UH, CHIEF AND AND SHERIFF AS WELL? AND WHEN I, WHEN I TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE, THIS IS THE THING KIND OF ITEM THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
AND, AND, UH, SO THERE WE HAVE THOSE VEHICLES, UM, AND I, AND I SEE OTHER THINGS DOWN HERE THAT,
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UH, UH, ALSO ARE, ARE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE IN, IN MY OPINION, WELL, THE, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT NEEDS ALL THIS STUFF IF WE CAN GET IT.BUT I, I SEE WHERE THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF ITEMS HERE THAT HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROM THAT 500 DASH 63 ITEM LIST THERE.
UM, THAT, UH, THE CRAD POINTS BEING PURCHASED, BEING PURCHASED IN THIS FISCAL YEAR.
AND, UH, THE, THE OTHER ITEMS THAT I SEE, THERE ARE VEHICLES OF SWAT ENTRY, VEST PATROL, UH, RIFLE SHIELDS, UH, SWAT ENTRY, HEL SQUAT, UH, SWAT ENTRY, HELMETS, PATROL JACKETS ON, ON DOWN THE LIST THERE, UH, FIRE EXTINGUISHERS, UH, IN-CAR TRAUMA KITS.
IN MY OPINION, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT THAT'S, NO, THERE'S NO DISCUSSION.
AND, UH, UH, CHIEF, I'M, AM I CORRECT IN THAT ASSUMPTION OR IS THERE SOMETHING THERE THAT, THAT, THAT COULD BE, UH, DELETED FROM THIS LIST? UH, NO, SIR.
THOSE, THOSE ARE ALL PRIORITY ONES FOR US.
UM, THOSE ARE ALL REQUIRED FOR US.
THE, UH, THE 19 VEHICLES CHIEF, ARE THOSE, ARE ANY OF THOSE REPLACEMENTS OR ARE THEY ALL NEW? UM, ALL 19 WILL BE REPLACEMENTS.
SO I GUESS WHAT I'D LIKE TO HAVE THERE, WE HAVE THE, UH, THE TOTAL FOR THAT WHOLE CATEGORY, 1.5 8 0 3 77, AS I, AS I RUN DOWN THAT CATEGORY THERE.
WELL, THE, THE COLUMN NEXT TO THAT IS THE REVISED COLUMN WITH THE REMOVAL.
SO IT'D BE 1, 1 5, 1 4, 1 8, 5 FOR PATROL.
I'M GONNA MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THOSE ITEMS. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN, THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HALE.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? FIVE.
OH, KIM, WHAT WAS THAT AMOUNT AGAIN? THAT WAS FOR, IT'S, IT'S ON THAT SHEET THAT I GAVE YOU, JANE.
AND DO YOU WANNA, UH, WE'LL JUST COVER THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AS A WHOLE? YEAH.
UM, SO IF, FOR C I D, THEY HAVE A REQUEST FOR A, A VEHICLE FOR 48,000, AND THEN THE LIGHTS AND, AND SO FORTH.
UM, AND THEN THEY HAVE CAMERA AND SURVEILLANCE EQUIPMENT THEY NEED FOR 3000 OFFICE CHAIRS, 400.
AND THE RING DOORBELL CAMERAS TO USE IS FOR SURVEILLANCE AS WELL, FOR $1,200 FOR A TOTAL OF 53,860.
BUT IT HAD BEEN TWO VEHICLES AND WAS REDUCED TO ONE.
WE'RE UNDER NO, THAT WAS NO, NO, NO.
YOU'RE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT S C U, CORRECT? YES.
WE HEARD C I D YEAH, AT FIRST.
YEAH, I THOUGHT, UH, I WENT DOWN TO C I KIM.
WELL, WE ONLY HAVE $69,000 FOR EVERYTHING, SO IT DOESN'T MATTER.
SO, REAL, REAL QUICK, CHIEF, IS THAT VEHICLE A REPLACEMENT OR AN ADDITIONAL? IT'S, IT IS.
WE'VE HAD TO TOW IT TWICE IN THE PAST FOUR MONTHS.
UM, AND JUST, JUST AS A, A REMINDER, I SAY THIS EVERY YEAR, BUT FOR ALL THE, THE STUFF THAT WE DON'T USE, ALL THE MONEY THAT WE DON'T USE, WE DON'T JUST GO OUT AND BUY STUFF.
QUITE A BIT OF MONEY BACK AT THE END OF THE BUDGET.
I THINK ONE YEAR, YEAR FOUR LAST WAS $700,000.
I MOVE TO APPROVE THOSE ITEMS. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER CONLEY, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN.
FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR.
MOVING DOWN TO C I D, UM, THEY'VE REDUCED THEIR REQUEST DOWN TO ONE VEHICLE FOR 48,000.
AND THEN THEY NEED CRIME SCENE SUPPLIES AND EQUIPMENT AND OFFICE CHAIRS.
UM, FOR A TOTAL REQUEST FOR THAT DEPARTMENT OF 56,262.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER HALE, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CONLEY.
CAN I, CAN I MAKE A COMMENT REAL, REAL QUICK? I'VE TALKED, UM, AT ONE OF THE LAST BUDGET SESSIONS THAT, UM, IF THE COURT WAS TO APPROVE THE
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SHERIFF'S, UM, VEHICLE ALLOWANCE, THAT WE'D BE WILLING TO REMOVE THAT BECAUSE WE'D BE ABLE TO RE REPURPOSE HIS CURRENT VEHICLE INTO C I D.SO WE CAN ACTUALLY PULL, UM, THAT VEHICLE REQUEST IF THE COURT SO DEEMED OTHERWISE, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO KEEP THAT REQUEST IN THE, SO WE'RE, WE'RE DROPPING.
SO IF WE APPROVE THE VEHICLE ALLOWANCE, WE'RE DROPPING FROM WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY TWO VEHICLES NOW TO ZERO.
THE SHERIFF'S AGREED TO, UH, BUY ONE OF THOSE VEHICLES OUTTA SEIZE ASSETS.
AND THEN, UM, WE WILL, WE'LL USE HIS CURRENT VEHICLE FOR THE OTHER.
WE'LL PUT IT IN AS A PLACEHOLDER FOR NOW, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT OTHER ONE LATER.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, PASS FIVE OF 'EM.
SKIPPING DOWN TO UM, 564 FOR SHERIFF'S OFFICE TRAINING.
UM, THERE'S A LIST OF TRAINING TARGETS, UM, 40 MILLIMETER TRAINING TARGETS, ACTIVE SHOOTER TRAINING, MUNITIONS, AND SOME BOOKS AND PUBLICATIONS FOR A TOTAL BUDGET REQUEST OF 11,006 40.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN.
UM, ANIMAL CONTROL 500 DASH 66.
REQUEST FOR A THREE QUARTER TON PICKUP, UM, FOR 52,000.
THE OUTFITTING FOR THAT IS 14,000.
THEN SAFETY EQUIPMENT CONTINGENCY IS BY POLES AND SO FORTH, UM, FOR 2000.
AND THEN PROTECTIVE CLOTHING AND EQUIPMENT FOR A CONTINGENCY LINE OF A THOUSAND FOR A TOTAL BUDGET REQUEST OF 69,000.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN.
AND THEN FOR TRANSPORT, THEY'RE JUST ASKING FOR AN A EQUIPMENT CONTINGENCY LINE OF A THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR SAFETY EQUIPMENT.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER CONNOLLY.
FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? PASS FIVE.
OH, I HAVE A, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ON JUST ALL OF THAT.
SO THOSE VEHICLES THAT ARE REPLACED, WHEN WE TAKE THE VEHICLE THAT WAS REPLACED, I ASSUME WE SURPLUS IT.
AND ARE WE RIPPING THE OUTFITTING THAT WAS IN THERE? WHAT HAPPENS TO THE FUNDS THAT COME FROM THE VEHICLE? AND THE EQUIPMENT? THAT'S, IT GOES BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND.
AND SO DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA, JUST A ROUGH ESTIMATE'S? FINE.
LIKE ON THOSE, THOSE VEHICLES THAT REPLACED, WE TYPICALLY GET THREE TO $5,000.
AND DOES THAT COUNT THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE'RE NO, THAT'S JUST THE VEHICLE.
WE DON'T TYPICALLY SET AUCTION OFF THAT.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANY OF THAT, THAT YOU CAN LEGALLY THE CAGE SOMETIMES, BUT, OKAY.
DEPENDS ON THE MILEAGE AND THE SHAPE OF THE VEHICLE.
YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT BUYING ONE OF THEM SUVS TO TRAP YOUR KIDS IN OR SOMETHING WITH THAT CAGE IN THERE.
WELL, I MIGHT KNOW SEVEN KIDS THAT NEED TO BE TRAPPED EVERY NOW AND AGAIN.
ACTUALLY, I'M PUTTING MYSELF IN IT AND KEEPING THEM OUT.
SHERIFF'S, SHERIFF'S COMMUNICATION FOR DISPATCH.
UM, THE REQUESTING $3,040 FOR SOME 24 7 CHAIRS AND SOME HEADSET ADAPTERS, BATTERIES AND REPLACEMENT HEADSETS.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN AND THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CONLEY.
AND THEN FOR SHERIFF'S ADMIN, UM, THE ACCESS CONTROL FOR 24,898 AND NEW HIRE UNIFORMS, CONTINGENCIES FOR, UM, ANIMAL CONTROL COURTHOUSE SECURITY AND PATROL OFFICERS FOR 5,700.
ONE THING ABOUT THAT ACCESS CONTROL, UM, THAT IS GONNA BE TO, UH, INSTALL NEW HARDWARE IN THE SPRINGTOWN ANNEX, THE WEATHERFORD ANNEX AND THE DISTRICT COURTS BUILDING.
UM, IN THE EVENT THAT THE, THE DOORS, UH, YOU MAY MAY NOT KNOW ABOUT IT, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, PUTTING SOME NEW DOORS IN AT CERTAIN LOCATIONS.
AND THEN FOR THE DISTRICT COURTS BUILDING, THAT'S TO REPLACE THE, UM, THE AUTO REMOTE UNLOCK THING AT THE SECURITY DESK.
I KNOW THEM DOORS AT THE, UH, SPRINGTOWN ANNEX BEEN NEEDING TO BE CHANGED FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER WALL AND SECOND BY
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COMMISSIONER CONLEY FOR THE DISCUSSION.ALL IN FAVOR? I, SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS ON HERE.
IT'S NOT ON HERE, I GUESS, BUT THE, THE, THE MONEY THAT WE, UH, THAT ONE I WOULD, UH, NEED TO, UH, FOR, FOR THE SANTA FE BUILDING, IT'S ON, UM, PAGE THREE AT THE BOTTOM.
IT'S IN THE LIGHT BLUE RIGHT HERE.
AND, AND I DO WANNA MENTION IF WHILE WE'RE ON CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, SO WE OPENED THE R F Q THE OTHER DAY FOR THE, A ARCHITECT ENGINEER FOR, UM, THE MASTER STUDY FOR THE JUSTICE CENTER.
I, UM, MENTIONED THAT THAT WAS GONNA BE ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS EXPENSE AND I'M ABOUT $900,000 SHORT ON THAT.
IT'S 1% OF THE TOTAL PROJECT IS WHAT THE ESTIMATE IS.
AND THEY'RE EXPECTING THAT THAT BUILDING COULD POTENTIALLY BE A A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS PROJECT.
SO THIS IS JUST FOR THE MASTER STUDY TO TAKE IT TO THE VOTERS WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY A MILLION DOLLARS.
IT, DEPENDING ON THE ARCHITECT, IT COULD BE LESS A MILLION DOLLARS.
I THINK THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT IT WAS A THOUSAND DOLLARS.
'CAUSE I WAS JUST LIKE TAKING ABACK BY IT.
A HUNDRED THOUSAND TO BE YEAH, WE JUST, NO, THAT WAS LAST WEEK THAT I SAID.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED THAT WORRY THIS YEAR.
I'M GONNA MOVE THAT WE, UH, ALLOCATE THE, UH, $3 MILLION TO PURCHASE THE, UH, PROPERTY AT 8 0 1 SANTA FE DRIVE MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN.
I HAVE A SECOND, SECOND MADE BY COMMISSIONER HOLT.
THIS IS THIS, YOU HAVE TO APPROPRIATE THE FUNDS.
SO IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, WE HAVE A, WE MADE HIM SIT BACK DOWN, BUT, UH, CONSTABLE PRECINCT TWO HAD, YES, WE CAN GO BACK OUT.
THE CONSTABLE BEEN SITTING HERE FOR SOME TIME.
SO CONSTABLE HARRIS IS REQUESTING TWO VEHICLES FOR A TOTAL $54,010 EACH, PLUS OUTFITTING OF 51,826.
UM, THAT WOULD BE WITH OUTFITTING AND EVERYTHING.
159,846 FOR THOSE TWO VEHICLES.
AND THEN HE IS REQUESTING, UM, A CONTINGENCY AUTOMOBILE EQUIPMENT, UM, FOR ANY TYPE OF REPLACEMENT OF ANYTHING FOR $5,000, HE'S REQUESTING THREE DESKS FOR $1,812 AND FIVE MOTOROLA RADIO BATTERIES FOR $710.
THAT'D BE A TOTAL BUDGET REQUEST OF 1 67, 360 8.
YOU CONSTABLE DESK ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.
THEY'RE SMALLER DESKS SO THAT THEY ARE REPLACING THE LARGER DESK.
CONSTABLE, I KNOW YOU'VE ANSWERED THESE QUESTIONS A LOT, BUT DO YOU MIND, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF IT? SURE.
THESE ARE REPLACEMENT VEHICLES THAT ARE BEING USED FOR TRANSPORT OF WHO? THE, UM, MENTAL PATIENTS THAT WE HAVE ON THE WRIT OF ATTACHMENTS THAT COME OUTTA THE JUDGE'S OFFICE.
AND HOW FAR ARE YOU TRANSPORTING THESE PATIENTS? USUALLY? UM, JUST THE OTHER NIGHT WE WENT TO DENTON.
AND WHAT WE HAD A, WE HAVE A REQUEST TO GO TO ABILENE.
I MEAN, IT COULD BE ALL OVER THE STATE.
WHEREVER THEY, IT COULD BE HOUSTON OR WHEREVER THEY DECIDE THAT THE HOSPITALIZATION.
HOW MANY A MONTH DO YOU FIGURE YOU'LL BE OUT? WE'RE DOING ABOUT TWO A WEEK RIGHT NOW.
I THINK IT'S AND WHAT, WHAT, HERE'S THE KEY POINT, I THINK.
WHAT'S THE MILEAGE OF THE CURRENT VEHICLES THAT ARE BEING USED TO TRANSPORT THESE PATIENTS? UH, ONE HAS 180 9.
I THINK THAT'S 189,000 THE LAST YES, SIR.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE I THINK IS LIKE RIGHT AT TWO, 220,000.
SO SINCE 2013 WHEN I TOOK OFFICE, UM, I'VE ASKED FOR THREE VEHICLES FROM MY OFFICE.
Y'ALL HAVE APPROVED THREE TOTAL VEHICLES SINCE 2013.
I APPRECIATE YOU YOU ANSWERING THAT.
MAKE IT OBVIOUS THAT THERE'S A VERY REAL NEED FOR THIS.
YOU'RE TRANSPORTING PATIENTS IN VERY HIGH MILEAGE VEHICLES, PRETTY LONG DISTANCES.
THIS ISN'T LIKE HE'S BREAKING DOWN BETWEEN, YOU CAN'T.
NOTE THAT, AND I THINK YOU BROUGHT THIS UP BEFORE, THAT YOU CAN'T, THAT VEHICLE CAN'T BREAK DOWN UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF WHAT YOU'RE RIGHT AND WHO YOU'RE TRAVELING WITH.
MOST OF THE PATIENTS ARE ELDERLY, SO.
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UH, JUST FOR CLARITY, HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN TRANSPORTING THESE? UH, THIS IS SOMETHING WHEN WE, WHEN WE MOVED OVER TO THE CIVIL, FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO US, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE, THAT WE JUST TOOK ON.WHAT I, SO IN THE PAST, IN THE PAST, UH, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TRANSPORTED THOSE USING, UTILIZING THEIR PERSONNEL WHO TRANSPORT PRISONERS.
IT WAS THEIR CIVIL DIVISION, I WOULD ASSUME, RIGHT? MARK? WASN'T IT THE CIVIL DIVISION THAT DID
AND WE BROUGHT THAT INDIVIDUAL WITH US TO OUR OFFICE.
THAT'S, HE WAS ALREADY IN THE BUDGET, JUST MOVED FROM, FROM THEIR BUDGET TO OUR BUDGET.
BUT HE WALKED OVER INSTEAD OF DRIVING A VEHICLE.
NO, WE GOT ONE OF THE, THE 230,000 MILE VEHICLE.
I, I'LL JUST NOTICE THE PRICE DIFFERENCE ON THE 24 CHEVY TAHOES FROM SHERIFF'S PATROL VERSUS THE ONES THAT YOU HAVE A FEELING.
I KNOW WHAT THE WIRES IS MORE EXPENSIVE, BUT, OKAY.
COULD YOU ENLIGHTEN US FOUR WHEEL DRIVE? THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
BECAUSE, AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS IF WE WERE TO TRANSPORT ONE OF THESE INDIVIDUALS, THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING SAYING THAT WE CAN'T DO IT.
WHETHER IT, I MEAN, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
YOU NEED DRIVE S SNOW WHEEL DRIVE.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER HOLT SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CONLEY, THE DISCUSSION PHASE.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA ADD? UM, YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD WE'VE, SO WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO IN THE PAST, I KNOW THE, THE PATROL GUYS, I KNOW THEY NEED BRAND NEW VEHICLES.
UH, MOST OF OUR WORK OVER THE YEARS HAS BEEN INSIDE THE COUNTY.
I'VE GOTTEN SOME OF THEIR OLDER VEHICLES, YOU KNOW, AND, AND TRIED TO LIMP THEM ALONG.
I KNOW HE'S GOT ONE SITTING UP THERE.
UH, WE GOT IT AND THE FIRST TIME WE ACTUALLY USED IT, THE MOTOR BLEW UP IN IT.
SO IT'S, I'VE TRIED TO, TO BE CONSERVATIVE AND, AND WITHOUT ASKING FOR NEW VEHICLES, BUT I THINK AT, AT THIS POINT FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, UH, IT'S A NECESSITY THAT'S GONNA SERIOUSLY GROW IN WORLD TRAVEL.
THIS THIS 5,000 IS I IS ISN'T THAT IN YOUR BUDGET EVERY YEAR? IS THIS AN YEAR ADDITION? THIS AN ADDITIONAL 5,000 OR JUST THE REGULAR 5,000? THIS'LL JUST ROLL.
UM, AND ANY, ANYTHING WE DON'T, IF WE DON'T HAVE AN EMERGENCY WITH THE VEHICLE, AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS IF LIGHTS GO OUT, IF YOU KNOW, UM, ANYTHING WITH THE EMERGENCY EQUIPMENT GOES OUT, WE HAVE THE FUNDS AVAILABLE TO GO GET IT THEN RIGHT.
THEN VERSUS HAVING TO COME IN, DO A BUDGET ADJUSTMENT, HAVE YOU GUYS APPROVE IT DURING THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR? IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE TRY TO, TRY TO BE AHEAD OF.
I MEAN, 5,000 WON'T COVER THE WHOLE THING, THE WHOLE CAR, BUT RIGHT.
UM, IT'S, BUT I WAS REMEMBERING THAT THAT WAS IN THERE EVERY YEAR AND I THOUGHT I DIDN'T KNOW THAT YOU WERE HAVING TO ASK FOR IT EVERY YEAR.
YEAH, IF WE DON'T, IF WE DON'T USE IT ON ON THAT STUFF, I, WE, WE GIVE IT BACK.
SO FOR HIS SAKE, CAN YOU CHANGE AND GO TO THE, UM, NEW EMPLOYEE REQUEST? THE WHAT? THAT HE AND HIM DO THAT.
AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO, I'M SORRY.
GO TO WHAT? NOW YOU REQUEST ANOTHER EMPLOYEE.
SO IS THIS ONE OF THESE VEHICLES FOR A NEW EMPLOYEE? NO.
THESE VEHICLES, BOTH THESE VEHICLES GO TO TRANSPORT.
THE TWO THAT I HAVE CURRENTLY THAT WE'RE DOING THIS TRANSPORTS WITH, THE NEW EMPLOYEE WAS BROUGHT ON WHEN WE TOOK THE C P S STUFF THAT, THAT JOHN'S OFFICE WAS DOING, THAT THEY'RE NO LONGER GOING TO DO.
SO WE'RE DOING THAT STUFF TOO.
THOSE ARE RID OF ATTACHMENTS FOR CHILDREN THAT WE'RE HAVING TO GO OUT.
WE'LL STILL SERVE
IT'S GONNA BE A, A PARTNERSHIP THING BETWEEN JOHN AND, AND, UH, MILE.
WE DO, WE NEED TO VOTE ON WHAT WE'VE ALREADY GOT WITH THE EQUIPMENT BECAUSE WE JUST MOTIONED AND SAID FOR THE 1 67, SHOULD WE HANDLE THAT AND THEN MOVE ON TO THE NEW EMPLOYEE? YES.
AND THEN WE COME BACK TO HIS NEW EMPLOYEE CAPTAIN ON CAP REQUEST AFTER, IF YOU APPROVE THE NEW, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? ALL IN FAVOR? JUST TO CLARIFY, THAT WAS FOR THE ONE SIX, THAT'S 7 3 6 8? YES, SIR.
BECKY, ANYTHING ELSE? SO CONSTABLE PRECINCT TWO IS REQUESTING ADDITIONAL DEPUTY TO BE BUDGETED.
UM, SO YOU'RE GONNA ADD ABOUT $30,000 ONTO THAT FOR BENEFITS.
THE TOTAL COST OF THE DEPARTMENT IS 1 25 6 63.
PART OF WHAT'S MAKING THAT NUMBER HIGHER IS BRINGING OVER THE REST OF THE MONEY FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FROM, UM, WHEN THEY DID THAT MID-YEAR CHANGE, WE DID BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS PULLING THE, THE CIVIL, THE, THAT ONE DEPUTY.
SO THIS IS KIND OF MOVING THE REST OF THE MONEY.
SO IF YOU HAVE YOUR BOOK, IT LOOKS LIKE THE INCREASE TO THAT LINE IS 77,000 4 0 9.
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IS BRINGING THE MONEY FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE OVER TO HIM BECAUSE OF THAT EMPLOYEE SWAP.BUT THE BUDGET SALARY FOR THE NEW DEPUTY IS 63,439.
HE DID ASK FOR A NEW BULLET, A BULLETPROOF VEST AND A LAPTOP TO GO WITH THIS DEPUTY FOR AN ADDITIONAL $2,700.
AND I THINK YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT IF YOU'D BE ABLE TO USE THE GRANT TO FUND THIS.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT YOU'D MENTIONED SOMETHING TO ME ABOUT.
THAT'S THE REASON I WAS ASKING ABOUT THE GRANT A LOOKING INTO THE GRANT.
IT ACTUALLY ONLY APPLIES TO THE CONSTABLE HIMSELF, SO, YOU KNOW.
A MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER HOLT, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN.
SO TO CLARIFY, THIS IS ONE EMPLOYEE.
AND THE TOTAL COST AGAIN, PLEASE.
BECKY, JUST PUT FOR A BUDGETED SALARY OF 63,439 FOR THE MINUTES.
THAT WAY WE HAVE THE SALARY AND, AND OH, AND THEN A SEPARATE VOTE FOR THE VEST AND THE LAPTOP.
WELL, WE ON THIS, ON THIS, SORRY.
ANY OF THE DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? PASS.
SO I NEED TO DO ANOTHER MOTION FOR THE YES.
I TO APPROVE THE VEST IN THE LAPTOP.
I MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE VEST IN THE LAPTOP.
I'LL SECOND THE MOTION THE STATED AMOUNT.
HOLD SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN FOR THE DISCUSSION.
YOU AMOUNT, YOU'LL NEED TO GO BACK TO B ONE TO DO THE EQUIPMENT, UH, FOR THAT EMPLOYEE THE BEST.
YEAH, WE JUST VOTED ON THAT, KIM UNDER, WE DID TWO VOTES BACK TO BACK.
SO WE'RE WE THAT'S COVERED, BUT IT WAS UNDER THE WRONG AGENDA.
NO, I I I CAN, YEAH, YOU CAN GO.
AND THE AMOUNT AGAIN FOR THE VEST? THE VEST IS, IS 1200.
MY DESKS, UM, HOLD ON JUST ONE SECOND.
YEAH, THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THAT 1 67.
I JUST DIDN'T SEE IT COME UP, SO I WAS JUST MAKING SURE.
YOUR DESKS, MOTOROLA, THE BATTERY, EVERYTHING WAS INCLUDED IN THAT, THAT THEY OKAY.
WE, UH, MOVE TO COUNTY ATTORNEY, THE CAPTAIN ONCAP STUFF FOR COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
SO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS ASKING FOR A PICKUP AND THE OUTFITTING AND THE TRUCK BED COVER FOR THAT ONE.
THE VEHICLE TOTAL IS $57,079 AND THEN FILING CABINETS OFF THE STAIRS.
AND THEN, SO FILING CABINETS FOR 1800 CHAIRS FOR SEVEN 50, FILING CARTS, 700 AND SEAT COVERS FOR THEIR DODGE CHARGER ASSIGNED TO INVESTIGATORS SW, UH, FOR A TOTAL OF 60 2003 29.
AND, AND ONE OF THE, UH, VEHICLES THAT, THAT, UM, CURRENTLY HAS EXCESSIVE MILES ON IT THAT JAMIE TIERY IS, WE'RE GONNA ROTATE THE ONE REPLACEMENT VEHICLE INTO OUR FLEET, ROTATE ONE OF THE OTHER FLEET VEHICLES OVER TO JAMIE AND TAKE THE OTHER ONE OUT.
SO THAT'LL SURPLUS THAT, THAT PARTICULAR VEHICLE OUT.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN.
AND THEN I, THE NEXT ONE IS, UH, FILING CABINETS, CHAIRS, DESK, WORKS STATIONS.
OH, THOSE ARE FOR DISTRICT ATTORNEY.
SO YOU WERE APPROVED THE FULL 60 2003 29 FOR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
IS THAT WHAT YOU HAVE? OKAY, JUST CHECKING.
FOR DISTRICT ATTORNEY, UM, THEY'VE REQUESTED A PROTECTIVE CLOTHING CONTINGENCY OF 506 CHAIRS FOR 1200 CAB.
LEGAL FILING CABINETS FOR 1,202 DESK WORKSTATIONS FOR 2,400 CONTINGENCY ON FURNITURE FOR 2000.
UM, AND THEN THEY'VE ALSO REQUESTED FOR THE BUILDING, THE DISTRICT COURT'S BUILDING WING, BACK CHAIRS, UM, AND LOBBY CHAIRS, REGULAR CHAIRS.
THE TOTAL AMOUNT FOR EVERYTHING WAS $12,049.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER CONLEY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN.
FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL IN FAVOR PASS FIVE.
HE HAS, UH, WITHDRAWN THE VEHICLE.
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UM, HE HAS A SMALL TOOLS CONTINGENCY OF 8,000 GROUNDS EQUIPMENT NON CAP FOR 8,000 AND HVAC EQUIPMENT FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND.THAT'S, THAT'S THEIR CAP, NON CAP STUFF.
BUT THERE'S BUILDING PROJECTS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN DISCUSSED THAT TYPICALLY COME OUT OF THE BUILDING MAINTENANCE LINE.
UM, DID HE GIVE YOU A TOTAL FOR THAT? HE, HE TOLD ME THAT HE, HE REQUESTED 50,000 MORE AND IS FROM LAST YEAR.
I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THESE ITEMS THAT ARE ON THIS LIST HERE.
MOTION TODAY BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER COLLEY.
FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? WHAT'S THE TOTAL ON THAT ONE? 16.
I THINK WE, UH, SKIP DOWN TO CONSTABLE ONE.
DID Y'ALL, Y'ALL, Y'ALL WANT SEAN HERE TO DISCUSS HIS ITEMS, RIGHT? OKAY.
I'M GONNA SU SUGGEST THAT WE, UH, OKAY.
I'M GONNA SUGGEST THAT WE, UH, CAN WE GO TO AUTO REGISTRATION DEPARTMENT 4 99? YEAH, SORRY.
SHE'S REQUESTING THREE CHAIRS AND TOTAL OF $1,480.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN AND THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CONLEY.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR PASS.
I'M GONNA SUGGEST THAT WE, UH, ADJOURN UNTIL TUESDAY SO THAT WE CAN HAVE UPDATED INFORMATION WORK OFF OF YOU DIDN'T WANNA DO CONSTABLE ONE? NOT HERE.
I THOUGHT WE ALREADY DONE ONE.
YOU DID HIS EMPLOYEE REQUEST NOT AS CAP.
I'M GONNA SUGGEST THAT WE DEFER TILL TUESDAY.
I WANNA GO BACK TO, UH, COMMISSIONER, YOU'D ASKED FOR THIS.
UH, WE, I PROBABLY FOUND WHAT Y'ALL, Y'ALL HAVE THIS, UM, IT'S THE GROWTH IN THE PROBATE THAT TALKS ABOUT THIS, UM, WAS ABLE TO GET THIS, UM, DID NOT HAVE IT EARLIER, BUT, UH, I'M WILLING TO GO OVER THIS AND YOU DO HAVE IT.
WE CAN CERTAINLY GET IT TO YOU AGAIN, BUT, UH, FROM 2020 TO 2022.
UH, AND THIS, AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO THE TRANSPORTATION ISSUE THAT WE JUST DID WITH THE CONSTABLE HARRIS, BUT, UH, ON METALS WHEN FROM 1 0 3 TO 1 39.
AND THAT NUMBER IS, IS WELL PROJECTED TO BE WELL ABOVE THAT IN 2023.
UM, AND THEN FROM 4 0 9 ON PROBATE TO 5 23.
AND THAT NUMBER IS PROJECTED TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER IN 2023.
SO THE CASE, THE THE CASES THAT WE'RE HEARING, UH, IT'S SIGNIFICANT, UH, TO SAY THE LEAST.
AND, UH, GUARDIANSHIPS KIND OF CORRESPONDINGLY, THEY KIND OF GO UP AND DOWN.
UH, IT'S TRENDING PRETTY MUCH, BUT THE COMPLEXITIES OF THESE IS REALLY MORE OF AN ISSUE THAN, THAN THE NUMBER, UH, WHICH HAS BEEN IN SOME CASES KICKED UP TO COUNTY COURT OF LAW BECAUSE THEY, ONCE THEY GET CONTESTED, THEN WE HAVE TO MOVE THEM BACK.
BUT, UM, THE DEMAND ON THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM, UH, IS DRAMATIC AND I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT.
UM, BUT I WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING HERE TOO FROM A STANDPOINT, UH, WHEN WE USE THIS ROOM AND, UH, IS JOHN, DID JOHN LEAVE.
JOHN, COULD YOU COME UP A SECOND? I JUST WANT TO CLEAR SOMETHING UP HERE.
UM, 'CAUSE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS MEET THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY AND PROBATE AND GUARDIANSHIPS AND WORKING WITH, UH, MANDY IN YOUR OFFICE IS, IS, IS THAT'S BEEN A GREAT COHESIVE TEAM IN WORKING WITH THESE MINERALS.
UH, 'CAUSE WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS PUT 'EM IN AN ENVIRONMENT AND YOU UNDERSTAND THIS, THAT, UH, THAT'S KIND OF DELICATE.
AND SO WE DON'T DO ZOOM HEARINGS ANYMORE ON THOSE.
IT'S JUST YOU DON'T CAPTURE, UM, WHAT THE INTENT OF THOSE ARE.
AND, AND SO THE ENVIRONMENT OF WHAT WE DO WITH THOSE, UM, WELL, MANDY, CERTAINLY, I WISH SHE WAS HERE TO TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT, UM, THE NEED FOR A FUNCTIONING COURTROOM THAT'S INTIMATE, THAT CAN WORK WITH EVERYONE, YOUR STAFF AND MY STAFF, UM, DOES NOT WORK IN THIS COURTROOM.
NOT EVEN CLOSE, BUT IN, IN A MORE INTIMATE SETTING, THAT, THAT IS CRITICAL.
BUT I NEED TO UNDERSTAND, UM, AND PROBATE MATTERS WHEN, BUT UNTIL WE GET THAT RESOLVED OVER THERE WITH THE SEATING AND BEING ABLE TO BE MORE TRANSPARENT AND GETTING PEOPLE TO COME IN, THEY WANT TO COME IN.
UM, DO WE NEED APPROVAL FROM THE COURT TO USE THIS ROOM? BECAUSE THAT, I MEAN, TO ME IT'S JUST, WE WE'RE,
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WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY.I WASN'T TRYING TO CIRCUMVENT THE COURT.
UH, BUT IF WE NEED TO GET APPROVAL FROM THAT, LET'S GET APPROVAL FROM IT SO THIS DOESN'T BECOME AN ISSUE AGAIN.
AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, IF YOU, IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT, TO VOTE ON THAT AND APPROVE THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD THINK THAT THIS COURTROOM, IF IT'S AVAILABLE, IT'S A SCHEDULING ISSUE.
SEE THAT, AND, AND IT IS A SCHEDULING ISSUE BECAUSE AS COMMISSIONER HU WITH, WITH THE COMMITTEE THAT HE'S ESTABLISHED, I THINK THAT WAS A, A LITTLE BIT OF A CONFLICT ON ONE SETTING.
UM, BUT AGAIN, AND I THINK IT COULD BECOME THAT AGAIN.
BUT WHAT I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR HERE, I'M NOT TRYING TO CIRCUMVENT THE COURT OR CIRCUMVENT POLICY, BUT WHEN WE HAVE A NEED IN THE, AND WE GOT THE FLOOR TAKEN OUT OF THAT ROOM, WE GOTTA GO SOMEWHERE.
AND SO I, IT WASN'T THAT I WAS TRYING TO CIRCUMVENT THAT, BUT IF WE NEED TO GET APPROVAL OF THE COURT TO USE THIS ROOM, IF IT'S, IF IT'S AVAILABLE, LET'S CERTAINLY DO THAT NOW.
SO WE DON'T DO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AGAIN, I THINK JUST BE ON THE SAFE SIDE.
UH, IF YOU'RE GONNA UTILIZE THIS AREA, THEN GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THAT TOO.
I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THEN TO, IT'S NOT AN AGENDA ITEM.
IT'S NOT, UM, BUT IT WAS UNDER THE, I GUESS WHAT I'M DOING IS, IS KIND OF GOING UNDER THE, KIND OF UNDER THE BUDGET STANDPOINT, WHAT WE'RE NEEDING IN THAT ROOM IN TRYING TO MEET THE NEEDS OF WHAT OUR GROWTH IS.
AND SO, NO, IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA COMMISSIONER.
UH, BUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO HERE IS JUST MAKE CLEAR THE NEED THAT WE HAVE HERE IN USING THAT ROOM TO SOLVE AND MEET THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS OUR DEPARTMENT AND MEETING IN SOME OF THESE CASES.
AND SO, UM, WE'LL PUT ON THE AGENDA, WE'LL GET IT DONE NEXT TIME AND MAKE SURE THAT THE PROBLEM IS, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO USE THIS ROOM AGAIN, UH, UNTIL WE CAN GET THOSE CHAIRS IN THERE, UH, FOR THAT COURT.
SO MY, MY QUESTION HERE IS, UM, WHAT DO YOU DO? DO WE JUST GRABE 'EM IN THERE AND DO THAT UNTIL WE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO THAT AND NOT USE THIS ROOM UNTIL WE CAN GET IT APPROVED, WHICH MAKES NO SENSE TO ME, BUT THAT'S, WE'LL, WE WILL DO THAT.
SO, UM, WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
UH, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? NO, SORRY.
WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT, UM, THE DATES ON ELECTED OFFICIALS.
UM, SO AT THIS POINT, THE AD WILL RUN IN THE NEWSPAPER ON, UH, SEPTEMBER 9TH.
SO IT'S REQUIRED, UM, THAT AN AD BE RUN AND THAT THERE'S NOT THE ACTUAL SETTING OF SALARIES, UM, PRIOR TO 10 DAYS BEFORE THAT POSTING GOES IN THE NEWSPAPER.
SO THAT'LL BE ON THE NINTH, UM, FOR THE SETTING OF THE SALARIES TO BE WHEN THE ADOPT THE BUDGET IS ADOPTED ON SEPTEMBER 25TH.
UH, THE OTHER PIECE OF ELECTED OFFICIAL SALARIES IS OF COURSE THE LETTER SINCE TODAY, AND I GUESS THIS WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR JOHN, BUT I THINK TO BE SAFE, SINCE THERE WAS A CHANGE TO, UM, UNELECTED OFFICIAL SALARIES, UH, FOR CCL ONE RIGHT TO, TO KEEP THAT SALARY FLAT FOR, FOR THE 3%, UM, THEN THE JUDGE'S OFFICE WILL RESEND THOSE LETTERS TODAY.
AND SO AGAIN, THAT WILL BASICALLY RESTART THE, UH, SALARY GRIEVANCE PROCESS.
UM, AND SO BASICALLY THE COMMITTEE, THE SALARY GRIEVANCE COMMITTEE HAS TO MEET THE LATER OF EITHER FIVE DAYS OF RECEIVING NOTICE OR WHEN THE COURT SELECTS THE PUBLIC MEMBERS, THE MEMBERS WERE ALREADY, UH, SELECTED.
SO THEN THAT MEANS THE LATER DATE WOULD BE THE FIVE DAYS, UM, IF A GRIEVANCE IS FILED.
AND SO AT THIS POINT, IF THE LETTERS GO OUT TODAY, THEN THAT WOULD BE, UM, THE LAST DAY WOULD BE WEDNESDAY THE SIXTH.
UH, SO THEN A POSSIBLE SALARY GRIEVANCE, EITHER THE SEVENTH OR THE EIGHTH.
SO WHAT'S CHANGED? BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD THAT TUESDAY WAS THE LAST DAY THAT WE COULD VOTE ON THAT.
WELL, IT WAS ON THE AGENDA AGAIN TODAY.
AND SO SINCE THERE WAS ACTION TAKEN, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR JOHN, SINCE THERE WAS A CHANGE OF ONE.
DO YOU NEED TO SEND IT JUST ONE? WE SEND THE ONE INDIVIDUAL.
SO IT WOULD ONLY CHANGE THAT INDIVIDUAL'S? CORRECT.
SO THERE ONLY NEEDS TO BE 1 CENT OR DOES THE WHOLE THING NEED TO BE SENT AGAIN? NO, I GUESS THEN IF IT'S ONLY THE ONE THAT JOHN IS SAYING ONLY THAT ONE INDIVIDUAL.
THAT MAKES IT MUCH CLEARER PAY.
SO I GUESS TECHNICALLY THEN YOU COULD STILL DO IT THE SIXTH, IS THAT WHEN IT WAS SCHEDULED? PREVIOUSLY.
ANYTHING ELSE? UM, ONE THING JUST AS WE'RE KIND OF GOING OVER THE BUDGET CALENDAR WILL BE THE, UM, VOTE ON THE PROPOSED PO UH, TAX RATE.
AND SO RIGHT NOW, UM, CYNTHIA EARLIER THIS WEEK HAD GIVEN, YOU KNOW, A CALENDAR OF EITHER, SO VOTING ON THE PROPOSED TAX RATE ON THE 11TH, AND THEN EITHER HAVING THE PUBLIC HEARING THE 18TH OR THE 25TH.
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WE WOULD ASK FOR PLANNING PURPOSES IS TO, UH, DETERMINE WHEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS GONNA BE.UH, AGAIN, IT'S REQUIRED TO HAVE THE VOTE ON THE WEBSITE SEVEN DAYS PRIOR TO, UM, THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEN IT HAS TO BE ADVERTISED IN THE NEWSPAPER AT LEAST FIVE DAYS BEFORE THAT MEETING.
AND SO IN ORDER TO MEET ALL OF THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, MAKE SURE WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAW, UM, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO ESTABLISH WHEN THOSE ARE GONNA BE.
SO THAT WAY WE KNOW FOR, FOR PLANNING PURPOSES, AND ESPECIALLY ON THE 11TH, IF, IF THERE IS GONNA BE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 18TH AND IT NEEDS TO BE PUB PUBLISHED IN THE NEWSPAPER ON THE 12TH, AND THAT IS A VERY QUICK TURNAROUND FOR YOU GUYS TO PROPOSE A TAX RATE, SEND, UM, THAT INFORMATION TO THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT TO GENERATE THE NOTICE, REVIEW IT AND SEND IT TO THE PAPER BY LIKE 10 30 THAT SAME MORNING.
ANYTHING ELSE? SO I WOULD ASK IF, IF THE COURT WANTS TO VOTE ON WHEN YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED TAX RATE.
AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION IS GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, IF I'VE, I'VE GIVEN YOU RIGHT SOME SCENARIOS, THOSE ARE JUST BOTTOM TOP.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING IN BETWEEN, AND MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING YOU KNOW TO DISCUSS NEXT, NEXT WEEK, OR IF YOU WANNA MEET WITH ME INDIVIDUALLY OF HERE'S A SCENARIO I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO PUT TOGETHER.
UM, I THINK IT'D BE IMPORTANT TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THE 11TH, EVEN THOUGH THERE WOULDN'T BE FORMAL ACTION.
BUT AGAIN, BECAUSE THERE'S SUCH A TIGHT TURNAROUND, IF IN FACT THERE WOULD BE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 18TH, THAT DOESN'T ALLOW A WHOLE LOT OF TIME TO, YOU KNOW, PUT THINGS TOGETHER, REVIEW THINGS, AND MAKE SURE THAT OUR PUBLICATIONS ARE ACCURATE AND GOOD.
MY PREFERENCE IS THAT WE, WE DELAY THOSE AND HAVE THOSE AS LATE AS POSSIBLE SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THE, ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISIONS THAT WE NEED.
I SO, AND, AND SO FOR THE OPTIONS THERE THAT YOU LAID OUT, I RECOGNIZE THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO GET READY FOR THAT PUBLIC HEARING.
I, I RECOGNIZE THAT WITHOUT A DOUBT.
HOWEVER, FOR OUR PURPOSES HERE, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE CONTINUING TO WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS HERE AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY PREFERENCE THAT I HAVE AS TO EITHER ONE OF THOSE DATES OTHER THAN THE LATER DATE, IF POSSIBLE.
THEN I WOULD ASK THEM TUESDAY, SPEND THE WEEK, I GUESS THINK ABOUT IT, AND THEN TUESDAY HAVING THAT DECISION.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK IT, I MEAN, AGAIN, IF WE'RE TRYING TO, IF ON THE 11TH IT IS VOTED TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 18TH AND WE'RE DISCUSSING TAX RATE, AND I MEAN THAT'S PROPOSING, SO THERE HAS TO BE A, I MEAN, AGAIN, I GUESS YOU COULD SET A CEILING AND GO DOWN LOWER, BUT THE CONCERN I WOULD SAY IS IF YOU'RE MAKING LAST MINUTE CHANGES, IT DOESN'T ALLOW A WHOLE LOT OF TIME FOR REVIEW.
AND WE, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO NOT WANT TO GET WRONG.
ANYTHING ELSE? I MOVE TO ADJOURN.
ALL IN FAVOR? I KIM, COULD YOU SAY, UH, SAY THAT AGAIN? UH, WE'VE HAD ENOUGH.
LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT WE'LL ADJOURN AT 1127.