* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] I WANNA [Call to Order] GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE, THE MEETING FOR THURSDAY, AUGUST 14TH, 2025. LET THE RECORD SHOW IT IS 9:00 AM WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. WE WILL [I.A. U.S. Bank will transition all existing credit cards and travel cards to the new contract, 946-M4 Charge Cards. There will be no interruption in services during the transition period. Current issued cards will remain active until each agency’s transition is complete. (Kim Rivas / Judge Deen)] MOVE TO ITEM ONE ON DISCUSSED SKIDDER AND ACT UPON THE FOLLOWING AGENDA ITEMS. ITEM ONE, NOTIFICATION ON THE ITEM A US BANK. WE'LL TRANSITION ALL EXISTING CREDIT CARDS AND TRAVEL CARDS TO THE NEW CONTRACT. 9 4 6 M FOUR. CHARGE CARDS WILL BE NO INTERRUPTION IN SERVICE DURING THE TRANSITION PERIOD. CURRENT ISSUED CARDS REMAIN ACTIVE UNTIL EACH AGENCY'S TRANSITIONS COMPLETE. KIM, THE STATE OF TEXAS, UM, LET THE CURRENT CONTRACT WITH CITIBANK EXPIRE AND THEY WENT BACK OUT FOR BIDS FOR CREDIT CARD, CHARGE CARDS, PURCHASE CARDS. UM, AND SO THIS IS JUST SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH, BUT THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY HICCUPS OR, OR ANY PROBLEMS WITH US. WE WON'T, WE WON'T TRANSITION TO THE NEW CARD UNTIL IT'S ALL SET UP AND COMPLETE AND WE'VE TESTED THEM. OKAY, THANK YOU. THAT IS A NOTIFICATION ONLY. MOVE TO ITEM [II.A. Present/Discuss/Approve General Fund Budget for FY2025-2026. (Judge Deen)] TWO ON PRESENT, DISCUSS APPROVED GENERAL FUND BUDGET FOR 20 25, 20 26 FISCAL YEAR, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO ITEM A PRESENT DISCUSS APPROVED GENERAL FUND BUDGET OF 20 25, 20 26, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ON TUESDAY ABOUT, UM, UPCOMING KIND OF DEADLINES AND WHEN'S THE LAST TIME TO MAKE DECISIONS ON, ON ITEMS. AND SO I THOUGHT IT'D BE HELPFUL JUST TO KIND OF PUT TOGETHER A QUICK LITTLE, UM, SUMMARY OF OUR BUDGET CALENDAR. UM, SO YOU CAN SEE THE DESCRIPTION OF WHAT, UM, THE ITEM IS, AND THAT FY 25 IS WHEN WE ACTUALLY DID IT, UM, FOR LAST YEAR'S BUDGET. AND THEN SOME PROPOSED DATES. SO I'LL JUST GO THROUGH THOSE, UM, ITEMS. THE FIRST, UM, KIND OF, YOU KNOW, KICKING OFF THE BUDGET IS THE CERTIFIED TOTAL. SO WE DID RECEIVE THOSE, UM, FROM A D ON 7 22. UM, THE DEADLINE THAT THE CHIEF APPRAISER HAS TO ACTUALLY CERTIFY THOSE VALUES IS JULY 25TH. UM, THE FINAL TAX CALCULATIONS FROM PCAD, UH, WE RECEIVED PRELIMINARY ONES. WE HAD SOME BACK AND FORTH, AND THEN THE FINAL WAS ON EIGHT SEVEN, UM, WHICH THAT'S THE SAME DATE THAT THEY WERE, UH, POSTED ON OUR WEBSITE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE STATUTE. UM, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY, WE FILED THE PROPOSED BUDGET ON AUGUST 8TH, WHICH WAS FRIDAY. UH, WE FILED THAT WITH THE COUNTY CLERK, POSTED IT ON OUR WEBSITE. UM, AND SO THE PROPOSED BUDGET ACTUALLY HAS TO BE FILED BY AUGUST 15TH. UM, AND THEN A PUBLIC HEARING HAS TO BE HELD NOT, UM, LATER THAN THE 25TH DAY AFTER, UM, THE BUDGET WAS FILED WITH THE COUNTY CLERK. AND SO, AS WE DISCUSSED, THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL TAKE PLACE AT THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED COMMISSIONER'S COURT. UM, PUBLIC NOTICE HAS TO BE NOT EARLIER THAN THE 30TH DAY, BUT NOT LATER THAN THE 10TH DAY BEFORE THE DATE OF THE MEETING. AND THAT, UM, NOTICE ACTUALLY WENT IN YESTERDAY'S NEWSPAPER. UM, THE VOTE ON THE PROPOSED ELECTED OFFICIAL SALARIES, UM, LAST YEAR, THAT WAS HELD ON AUGUST 26TH. UM, THAT WAS A REGULARLY, UM, SCHEDULED COMMISSIONER'S COURT. AND THEN IN THE AFTERNOON WE HAD A BUDGET COURT. UM, AND SO WHAT I AM, OR WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY, UM, ON THE CALENDAR THAT WE DISCUSSED BACK IN APRIL, WAS EITHER HAVING THAT VOTE, HAVING ANOTHER COURT, UM, THAT AFTERNOON OF A REGULAR COURT ON THE 25TH, OR IF WE NEED TO HAVE A SPECIAL SESSION THAT NEXT DAY. UH, THE REASON OR WHAT CREATES THIS DEADLINE IS IN THE EVENT THERE IS A SALARY GRIEVANCE. UM, SO WHAT WE WILL BE PUTTING ON THE NEXT REGULAR COURT, WHICH WILL BE ON THE 25TH, IS BASICALLY FOR THE COURT TO CHOOSE WHICH PROCESS, UM, WHETHER THAT'S ALL, I BELIEVE IT'S NINE MEMBERS, NINE PUBLIC MEMBERS, UM, THAT'S PULLED FROM THE GRAND JURY LIST, OR WHETHER THAT'S THE MIX OF THE SPECIFIED BY STATUTE ELECTED OFFICIALS, AND THEN MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO MAKE UP THOSE NINE MEMBERS. UM, SO WHAT HAPPENS IS, ONCE THERE'S THE VOTE ON THE PROPOSED ELECTED OFFICIAL SALARIES, UM, BIANCA WILL BE PUTTING TOGETHER THIS YEAR THOSE LETTERS, UM, TO NOTIFY ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS OF WHAT THOSE PROPOSED SALARIES ARE. UH, SHOULD AN ELECTED OFFICIAL WANT TO FILE A GRIEVANCE, THEY HAVE FIVE CALENDAR DAYS TO GIVE WRITTEN NOTICE ABOUT WHAT THAT GRIEVANCE IS AT THAT TIME. UH, THE COURT HAS TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT, UH, GRIEVANCE, AND THAT HAS TO OCCUR WITHIN 10 DAYS OF THE DATE THAT'S [00:05:01] RECEIVED. SO AGAIN, THE REASON WHY THERE'S THAT VOTE IS TO ALLOW SUFFICIENT TIME, UM, TO BE ABLE TO GET TOGETHER A PUBLIC HEARING. AND THEN, UM, WHICH THEN WOULD BE HELD, LET'S SEE, AGAIN, THESE ARE ONLY IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN COULD POSSIBLY BE HELD, UH, THE WEEK OF SEPTEMBER 1ST, AND THEN ANYTHING THAT WOULD COME FROM THAT, THE COURT COULD TAKE ACTION AT THE REGULAR SCHEDULE COURT ON SEPTEMBER 8TH. SO THAT'S WHY, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE 8 25 OR THE 8 26 WOULD BE THE LAST DATE TO MAKE, UM, ANY DISCUSSIONS AND THEN MAKING A VOTE ON THE, THE PROPOSED, UH, THE VOTE ON THE PROPOSED TAX RATE. UM, SO LAST YEAR, YOU SEE WE DID THAT ON SEPTEMBER 5TH. UM, RIGHT NOW WE ARE PROPOSING SEPTEMBER 8TH. THAT COULD POSSIBLY CHANGE. WE'RE CONFIRMING WITH THE WEATHERFORD DEMOCRAT, UM, THAT IF THERE'S THE VOTE ON THE EIGHTH, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET IT INTO WEDNESDAY'S PAPER. UM, THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR PUBLICATION DAYS. UM, SO THE PUBLIC NOTICE HAS TO BE THIS ONE, WHICH IS GOOD AS A LITTLE BIT SHORTER THAN THE NORMAL 10 DAY ONE. SO THIS ONE HAS TO BE, UH, PUBLISHED AT LEAST FIVE DAYS BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND THEN IT NEEDS TO BE POSTED ON THE WEBSITE, UH, SEVEN DAYS PRIOR. SO IF THERE'S THE VOTE ON THE PROPOSED TAX RATE ON THE EIGHTH, IF IT GOES IN THE NEWSPAPER ON SEPTEMBER 10TH, THEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING WOULD HAPPEN. EITHER THAT WOULD BE A DATE WOULD NEED TO CHOOSE IS SEPTEMBER 16TH, 17TH OR 18TH, WHICH IS A TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY OR THURSDAY. UM, LAST YEAR WE DID HAVE THAT PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 18TH. UM, IF THE TAX RATE IS NOT SET AT THAT PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IT WON'T BE FOR US, THEN YOU HAVE TO ADOPT THAT RATE OR SET THAT RATE WITHIN SEVEN DAYS OF THAT PUBLIC HEARING, UM, WHICH WOULD BE AT THE REGULAR BUDGET AND TAX RATE ADOPTION, WHICH WE'VE BEEN DOING, SETTING THOSE TOGETHER. UM, AND THAT WOULD BE AT THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED COMMISSIONER'S COURT ON EP SEPTEMBER 22ND. UM, AND AT THAT TIME, THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE OFFICIALLY SETTING, UM, THOSE ELECTED OFFICIAL SALARIES. LOTS OF DATES, BUT I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL AS WE MOVE FORWARD. I KNOW THE QUESTION ALWAYS COMES UP IS WHEN'S THE LAST DATE? THANK YOUR HONOR. SO AGAIN, DEPENDING ON KIND OF HOW SOME OF THESE THINGS CHANGE, UM, OBVIOUSLY THAT DRIVES WHETHER WE HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL SESSION. SO DEFINITELY FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL SESSION AGAIN, UM, SHOULD THERE BE ANY SORT OF SALARY GRIEVANCE, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE, UH, A PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR THAT. AND THEN, UM, IF THERE'S THAT TIMING, THEN YOU'D BE ABLE TO TAKE ACTION AT THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULE COURT. ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. DOES THAT INCLUDE [II.B. General Budget Updates. (Brianna Fowler / Judge Deen)] ITEM? DID YOU COVER B ON THAT? O WELL, YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ON ITEM B ON GENERAL BUDGET UPDATES, ANYTHING. OKAY, ITEM C ON CAPITAL [II.C. Capital & Non-Capital Budget Requests. (Kim Rivas / Judge Deen)] NON CAP BUDGET REQUEST. KIM, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF UPDATES TO GIVE YOU SINCE WE LAST MET. UM, THERE WAS SOME, I, I WENT BACK AND ASKED ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS TO CONFIRM WHAT WAS ON OUR LIST. IT WAS CORRECT AND ACCURATE, AND THERE WAS A FEW THINGS THAT WERE, UM, CAME EVIDENCE. SO THERE WAS A DUPLICATE OF THE EXPANSION OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROL SYSTEM. IT WAS ON BOTH THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS AND ON THE CAP, NON CAP LIST THAT, SO THAT $250,000, UM, ONE OF THOSE WAS REMOVED. WE ALSO HAD IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. KIM, CAN YOU REFRESH MY MEMORY ON WHAT THAT IS? THE ENVIRONMENTAL, IT'S THE CONTROL SYSTEM FOR THE TEMPERATURES FOR THE BUILDINGS. YES. THIS IS WHAT I'M GOING OVER. SO FOR EVERY BUILDING. EVERY BUILDING, THANK YOU. SO IT WAS IN B AND G AND INTO IT, IT WAS IN THE, THE CIP CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT LIST PLUS, PLUS THE CAP. NON CAP, OKAY. FOR BNG, BUT BOTH UNDER BNG? YES. YEAH. SO WE ALSO, UNDER THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROJECTS, UM, I HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DA'S OFFICE ABOUT THEIR REQUESTS FOR, UM, BUILDING GROUNDS TO DO SOME RENOVATIONS AT THEIR OFFICES. AND THERE WAS, UH, TWO, TWO SEPARATE LINES ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT LIST. ONE FOR $10,000 FOR PAINT CARPET, AND THEN THE OTHER, UM, FOR $75,000 FOR PAINT CARPET. AND, UM, IN THE DA'S CONFERENCE ROOM, THE GRAND JURY ROOM IN THE OFFICE MANAGER'S ROOM. UM, AFTER TALKING WITH JEFF, HE SAID THAT THERE DID NEED TWO SEPARATE ITEMS AND WE DIDN'T NEED $85,000 [00:10:01] FOR SURE. SO WE REDUCED THAT DOWN TO 30,000, MAKING A SAVINGS OF 55,000 FOR THOSE ITEMS. AND THEN, UM, I, BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE DIFFERENCES IN THE BULLETPROOF VEST AND SO FORTH FOR THE DIFFERENT, THE CONSTABLES AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND EVERYTHING, I SPOKE WITH CHIEF BARNETT AND HE SENT ME A QUOTE FOR THE BULLETPROOF VEST THAT INCLUDES THE VEST TWO CARRIER TWO PLATES, OKAY. ALL THAT GOOD STUFF, WHICH IS WHAT THEY NEED. AND IT WAS $1,750, AND THAT INCLUDED A 3% INCREASE, UM, FROM THE MOST RECENT QUOTE. SO, AND THEN WE ALSO, I TOOK THE SOS PIO, UM, CAP, NEW CAP EXPENSES THAT WERE ON THE NEW EMPLOYEE CAP SHEET, REMOVED THOSE OUT PER, UM, CHIEF ANET, AND THAT WAS SAVED $15,860, SO AS A OVERALL REDUCTION TO ALL THE CAP, NON CAP EXPENSES OF $322,050. SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION, AND THEN WE WILL MOVE FORWARD, HOWEVER YOU ALL WANT TO ON CAP, NON CAP ITEMS IF YOU WANNA DISCUSS AND START APPROVING. SO THOSE, THOSE ARE REFLECTED IN OUR NEW YES. YES. SO THE OVERALL, UM, AMOUNT FOR CAP ON CAP SUMMARIES WITH CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AND ROLLOVER IS $7,410,732 AND 92 CENTS. AND THAT DOES INCLUDE NEW EMPLOYEE REQUESTS. IT INCLUDES REQUESTS FOR NEW EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE YET TO BE APPROVED, CORRECT? YES, SIR. YEAH, THAT, THAT TOTAL IS, UM, 584,775 FOR NEW EMPLOYEE REQUESTS. OKAY. COMMENTS, RECOMMENDATIONS. DO Y'ALL WANNA START GOING THROUGH THE ITEMS THAT THE COMMITTEE RANKED? START WITH THOSE FIRST, KIM? UM, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. I MEAN, YOU'RE THE ONE WHO'S NECK DEEP IN THIS. WHERE DO YOU RECOMMEND WE GO FROM HERE? ? I DON'T FEEL, I MEAN, AT SOME POINT WE JUST GOTTA GO. WE GOTTA GET, WE, WE NEED TO START AT SOME POINT. WE CAN GO FROM THERE. TELL US WHERE YOU THINK WE SHOULD START, UNLESS ANY OF THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COURT HAVE A DIFFERENT SUGGESTION AND LET'S, LET'S GET AT IT. SURE. SO, SO IN THE PAST, WE'VE GONE DOWN THIS LINE BY LINE MM-HMM . AND THIS IS THE, THE TRAP THAT WE FALL INTO OF APPROVING SOMETHING AND THEN COMING BACK WITH A GREATER NEED SOMEWHERE ELSE. IF WE LOOK AT THE, UH, UH, I, I, I SUGGEST IF YOU LOOK AT THE CAP, NON CAP SPREADSHEET HERE, THE BIG SHEET WE'VE GOT TODAY, WHICH IS, IS AS OF TODAY, AS OF TODAY, UM, YOU'RE GONNA SEE A COMMITTEE RANKING HERE, UH, IN, IN THOSE PARTICULAR AREAS. AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST IS GO DOWN THROUGH AND, UM, APPROVE THOSE, UH, TO A CERTAIN POINT, UH, THEN RESHUFFLE AND FIND OUT WHERE WE'RE AT AND HOW MUCH MONEY WE'VE SPENT AND CONTINUE ON. SO IS THAT A FAIR ASSESSMENT OF WHAT WE'VE, IT IS ASESSMENT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST FAIR ASSESSMENT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL WANT TO VISIT THE NEW EMPLOYEE WITH BECKY. THOSE, AND THEN COME BACK TO THIS, THOSE NEW EMPLOYEE CAPTAIN ONCAP REQUESTS ARE OBVIOUSLY SEPARATED OUT FROM THE THERE, THEY'RE SEPARATED OUT FROM EACH OTHER. SO, SO YOU COULD GO THROUGH THIS WITHOUT NEW EMPLOYEES AND THEN COME BACK TO THE NEW EMPLOYEE REQUEST. SO IF WE APPROVE A NEW EMPLOYEE, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO APPROVE THEIR, THEIR ACCOMPANYING, RIGHT? AND WE CAN COME BACK TO THAT, OR YOU CAN DO BECKY'S STUFF FIRST. WHAT IF WE, AND I, I, I'M NOT TRYING TO STEAL YOUR THUNDER HERE, BUT WHAT IF WE LOOK AT THE ONES THAT ARE SCORED AND WE JUST START APPROVING THE, OR DECIDING ON THE ONES WITH THE HIGHER SCORES AND WORK OUR WAY FROM THERE? BECAUSE TO YOUR POINT, COMMISSIONER, INSTEAD OF JUST GOING A TO B, TOP TO BOTTOM, INSTEAD PRIORITIZE, WE, WE LOOK AT THE ONES THAT ARE SCORED HIGHLY, AND IF, IF [00:15:01] THERE'S FIVES, THEN HOPEFULLY THE COMMITTEE DIDN'T GET IT THAT WRONG. SO WHAT IF WE START WITH THE SCORES, START WITH THE FIVES, APPROVE THOSE, THEN GO TO THE FOURS, THEN MOVE FROM THERE. DOES THAT WORK? I THOUGHT, WELL, THAT'S IT, . I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE GETTING AT. BUT, UH, MY COFFEE HASN'T COUGHED YET, SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY AT SOME POINT HERE, INTERJECT THE NEW EMPLOYEES AND THEN TAKE THAT, UH, TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. BUT WE, WE GO STRAIGHT DOWN THIS LINE RIGHT HERE ON, UH, UM, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. WE, WE HAVE A FIVE FOR A, UH, 2025 CHEVROLET 1,504 WHEEL DRIVE PICKUP THAT, UH, WE, WE SCORED AS A FIVE, AS AS A REPLACE WHEN IT REPLACES THE CHEVY TAHOE, THAT GOES SOMEPLACE ELSE. IS THAT, THAT'S THE DEAL RIGHT THERE. I'M GONNA MOVE, WE APPROVE THAT MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER. HOLD A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HILL DISCUSSION. YEAH, BUT HERE, ALL IN FAVOR. IT'S THIS ONE. YEAH. AND THE MOTION, JUST TO MOTION CARRIES TO APPROVE THE PURCHASE OF THAT VEHICLE. THIS IS EIGHT 13, CORRECT? THIS IS A FIVE. YEAH. IT'S JUST BIGGER. WE'RE GOING ON THE CAP. CAP. THIS? YEAH. SO COMMISSIONERS JUST SO CARRIES FIVE, BUT WE'RE, THAT'S TO APPROVE SUBJECT TO THAT VEHICLE GETTING MOVED SOMEWHERE ELSE. YEAH. THE 22. YES SIR. THANKS FOR HAVING THAT NOTE ON THE SIDE THERE. YOU'RE WELCOME. THAT'S HELPFUL. SO THE NEXT, NEXT FIVE THAT WE, THAT I IDENTIFY OVER HERE IS ON PAGE TWO, IT WOULD BE, UH, FLOCK CAMERA SYSTEM FOR SPECIAL CRIMES. I'M, UH, SO IT'S GOOD IF APPROVED. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER HALL, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HALE. IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION CAN'S, A NOTE ON THE, ALL THE PAPER? SO WE HAVE A COMMENT HERE, HAS A COMMENT? I THINK. SO JUST A REFRESHER ABOUT THIS FLOCK SYSTEM. UM, THE FUNDS WILL ONLY BE EXPENDED IN THE EVENT THAT WE ARE AWARDED AN 80% MATCH, UM, THROUGH THE STATE ON A GRANT. SO IF WE DON'T GET THAT MATCHING GRANT, WE WON'T EXPEND THOSE FUNDS. NOT TO SPEAK FOR THE COMMITTEE, BUT I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE DRIVING FORCE BEHIND YEP. BEING ABLE TO APPROVE THIS. SOMETHING THAT OBVIOUSLY IS VERY IMPORTANT AND CAN BE A VERY HANDY TOOL, BUT, BUT, UH, WE NEED IT TO BE DEPENDENT FROM FINANCIAL STANDPOINT. WE NEED IT TO, TO BE DEPENDENT UPON GETTING THE GRANT. THAT WAS THE ONLY COMMENT I HAD WAS THAT THAT FIVE WAS CONTINGENT ON GRANT. CURIOUS. . NEXT ITEM I SEE IS A CHEVROLET, UH, HALF-TON CREW CAB TWO WHEEL DRIVE. TWO OF THEM FOR, UH, CID? YES. OKAY. K BUSH MADE BY COMMISSIONER HOLT. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HALE. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR CARRIES FIVE. OH. UH, NEXT ITEM THAT I SEE HERE IS, UH, CHEVROLET TAHOES. 13 OF THEM AT 57,750 EACH 12 FOR PATROL AND ONE FOR INTERDICTION. YES, SIR. ANY MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER HOLT? SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, THAT ONE HAS A GRANT COMMENT AS WELL. YES. SB 22, UM, WILL BE PAID FOR 500,000. OF THAT SEVEN 50 CARRIES FIVE OH. NEXT ITEM IS OUTFITTING THOSE 13 VEHICLES. UH, THE AMOUNT IS 388,000. WHAT YOU MEAN BY COMMISSIONER HALE? SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HOLT? ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR. CARRIED ABOVE. A NEXT ITEM IS, UH, RIFLE RATED SHIELDS. 10 OF 10 OF THOSE FOR PATROL. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER HOLT. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HEALTH. FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR, CARRIED ABOVE. A, UH, NEXT THING WE HAD THERE WAS THE, UH, UH, A DA WALKTHROUGH METAL DETECTOR FOR COURTHOUSE SECURITY MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER HALE. SAME BY COMMISSIONER HOLT. ANY OF THE DISCUSSION? ALL FAVOR, CURIOUS ABOVE FUGITIVE TRANSPORT. UH, THREE CHEVY TAHOES AT $57,750 EACH. MOTION. MOVE BY COMMISSIONER HALL. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HA. HAND ON DISCUSSION. ALL OF PAPER. CURIOUS ABOVE FUGITIVE TRANSPORT, UH, OUTFITTING, UH, THREE OF THEM AT 25,500. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER. HOLD A SECOND. BY COMMISSIONER CONY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? YES, THAT IS FOR THE TAHOES PREVIOUSLY APPROVED ALL THE PAPER. VARIOUS FIVE OH RADIO [00:20:01] TOWER. I, I, I THINK I WANNA DISCUSS THAT. WE, WE ARE SITTING HERE AT $3,843,000 TO APPROVE THE, THE TWO RADIO TOWERS. AND, UM, THE AMOUNT THERE, UH, IS GOING TO, IS GOING TO EXCEED, UH, THE AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE IN OUR FUND HERE. SO WE NEED TO DISCUSS THAT. IF WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE THOSE TOWERS, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THOSE TOWERS AND THEY WILL NOT FIT IN. WE HAVE $0.7 MILLION MORE. WE, WE DO NOT. UH, I MEAN, WE'RE, YOU'RE SETTING YOURSELF UP THERE. YOU NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW YOU'RE GONNA PAY FOR THOSE BEFORE YOU APPROVE THEM. WHERE WILL THESE TOWERS GO? CENTRAL SOUTH TA PART OF THE COUNTY AND THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE COUNTY, CORRECT? YES. THE EAST 10 TOP AND THE EASTERN SIDE. 10 TOP AND WHERE NO, THE ONE AT 10 TOP IS NOT, IS NOT A NEW TOWER. THAT WAS, WE'RE GONNA SEE IF WE COULD GET ON A TOWER THAT'S ALREADY THERE AT 10 TOP. IS THAT RIGHT? JAMES SOUTHEAST AND NORTHEAST COMMISSIONER CONLEY. SOUTHEAST. NORTHEAST. NORTHEAST. SO THE, THE RADIO COMMITTEE THAT I'M ON, UH, MR. KAYWOOD ON, SEVERAL OTHER FOLKS ARE ON. WE, WE'VE SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME LOOKING AT THE VARIOUS COVERAGE DEFICIENCIES THAT ARE OUT THERE WHERE RADIOS ARE NOT GETTING THE AMOUNT OF SIGNAL THAT THEY NEED TO GET. AND SOME OF THESE AREAS, WE'RE NOT EVEN TALKING INSIDE OF BUILDINGS, INSIDE OF BARNS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WE'RE JUST TALKING ON THE ROAD. THAT'S NOT GOOD WHEN A DEPUTY CAN'T GET RADIO COVERAGE BACK TO WHEREVER HE NEEDS TO GET TO. WELL, YOU SAY NORTHEAST, WE JUST GOT THE SMITH TOWER, RIGHT? YES, SIR. UP NORTH. SO WE'RE LOOKING HEAVILY THE INFLUX OF POPULATION DENSITY, UH, THERE, UH, EAST CENTRAL, UH, THERE ALONG 20, AND THEN THE SOUTHERN, UH, CORNER OF THE COUNTY, NOT, NOT NORTH, BUT UH, KIND OF RIGHT THERE ALONG, UH, THE 20, UH, MORNINGSTAR AREA AND THEN DOWN FAR SOUTH, UH, CORNER. THAT'S WHAT WAS CONFUSING ME BECAUSE WE JUST GOT THE SOUTH TOWER Y YES, NORTH SMITH. SMITH, SMITH UP NORTH. YES, SIR. DIDN'T, DID WE NOT PASS OR FUND HAVING ADDITIONAL RADIO FREQUENCY FOR THAT AREA LAST YEAR OR YEAR BEFORE? SO THE 700, THE 700 UPGRADE THAT WE'RE UNDER RIGHT NOW? YES, SIR. BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN PLACE YET. NOT YET, NO SIR. THAT, BUT I REMEMBER US DISCUSSING THIS, THAT EAST AREA NEAR MORNING STAR OVER IN PRECINCT FOUR WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THAT SYSTEM. YES, SIR. SO IT'S NOT UP AND OPERATING YET, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? IT IS NOT, NOT, NOT TILL EARLY SUMMER, NEXT SUMMER. BUT THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD INFLUENCE THE COVERAGE. NOT AS MUCH, UH, AS WE WERE ANTICIPATING THE, THE MAP COVERAGE WITH THE 700 FREQUENCY, UH, AND IT'S JUST THAT DOWN SOUTH CORNER IS REALLY HURTING AND THEY'RE ALONG 20. YES, SIR. THE TOPOGRAPHY IS AFFECTING A LOT OF THIS. AND SO THESE, THE, THE COVERAGE MAPS WE'RE LOOKING AT DID TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHEN THE 700 COMES LINE. SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE WANTING TO ADD TOWERS AND IGNORING THE 700 SYSTEM COMING ONLINE, THAT'S WITH THE 700 COMING ONLINE, WE ACTUALLY NEED FOUR TOWERS. WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY FOR FOUR. WE NEED THE TWO TOWERS. WE NEED THE MOST, AS MUCH AS I HATE TO SAY, AS, AS MUCH AS I HATE TO SAY IT, 'CAUSE NEITHER ONE OF THEM ARE GONNA HELP. PRECINCT TWO ARE ON YOUR SIDE. YEAH. OF THE WOODS. THEN WE NEED ONE UP PRETTY FAR IN THE NORTHWEST. THAT'LL HAVE HELP YOU OUT A LITTLE BIT. IT'LL HELP OUT QUITE A UP OFF OF PINE. IT'LL GET YOUR NORTHWEST CORNER UP THERE. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE AGNES AREA? YES, SIR. WE HAVE A TOWER THERE. NO, NOT AG. IT'S FURTHER WEST THAN AGNES FURTHER WEST. WHAT I, WHAT I'D ASK YOU TO RECOLLECT AND WHAT I, UH, MY RECOLLECTION IS, IS THAT WE HAD SOMEBODY FROM MOTOROLA STAND RIGHT HERE AND TELL US THAT IF WE ADDED THAT TIRE BROCK, THAT WE WOULDN'T NEED ANY MORE TOWERS. AND SO NOW, NOW WE HAVE THE SAME, SAME MAPS, THE SAME PEOPLE SITTING HERE TELLING US, WELL, NO, YOU'RE GONNA NEED FOUR MORE TOWERS. SO THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE HERE IS THIS $3,843,000 WE DO NOT HAVE, THAT WILL NOT BE GENERATED IF IT'S GOING TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO COME FROM FUND BALANCE. SO WE DON'T HAVE $3,843,000 IN ADDITIONAL REVENUE THIS YEAR, OVER LAST YEAR. SO THERE'S TWO PLACES IT COMES FROM EITHER A TAX INCREASE OR FROM FUND BALANCE. NOW, I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT COULDN'T BE FUNDED FROM FUND BALANCE, I'M JUST SAYING THAT, UH, BEFORE I, UH, AND, AND THIS HAS GOT A FIVE BECAUSE IT'S REALLY NEEDED, DON'T MISUNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WHERE'S THE MONEY GONNA COME FROM? AND I, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR, UH, PRESENTATION FROM MOTOROLA IN THIS PROCESS, [00:25:01] TELLING ME AGAIN WHY WE NEED FOUR MORE TOWERS WHEN THEY STOOD RIGHT HERE AND TOLD US THAT THIS ONE TOWER AND THIS NEW SYSTEM WOULD TAKE CARE OF ALL OF OUR RADIO NEEDS FOR A LONG TIME. IF Y'ALL RECALL THAT, I'M SURE THEY'LL PUMP US PRESENTATION. YEAH. CAN WE SAVE ANY MONEY ON THAT 700 SYSTEM CLAW BACKS OR SOMETHING IF IT'S NOT PERFORMING? WE'RE WELL, WE DON'T HAVE IT YET. WELL, WELL, WE HAVE IT ON A COUPLE TOWERS. CURRENTLY 700 IS TURNED ON MAIN. OKAY. UH, WE ARE UTILIZING 700. IT'S JUST NOT IN THE UPGRADE FULLY. ONE GOOD THING WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS OFFSET A COUPLE LEASE TOWER SITES. SO WE WOULD, UH, HOPEFULLY ABOUT, I BELIEVE, UH, KIM, UH, IF WE GOT RID OF THE, UH, NORTH TOWER IN VANGUARD, ABOUT $77,000 A YEAR, PLUS THE OPTION OF, UH, SOME COOPERATIVE, UH, COMING FROM TARRANT COUNTY WITH THE AGREEMENT THERE IN IRAQ, UH, FOR LEASING AGREEMENTS THERE. UH, NOW THAT, THAT IS THE BEST. UH, NO, I, I AND JAMES, JAMES IS COMING. AND I, I'VE TOLD YOU BEFORE, BRING US YOUR NEEDS. YES, SIR. YOU DON'T HAVE TO DEFEND. JUST TELL US THE FACTS. AND, AND, AND TO THE COURSE OF, THIS WASN'T A MOTOROLA PROPOSAL. UH, THIS WAS ME AND THE COMMITTEE SAYING THESE ARE OUR SHORTCOMINGS ON THE SYSTEM VISITING WITH THE PEOPLE THAT USE THE PUBLIC SAFETY RADIO SYSTEM. UH, RADIO WAS, UH, MOTOROLA IS NOT INVOLVED UNTIL I SAID, THIS IS WHAT WE SEED OUR NEEDS FOR. WHAT IS THE BEST POSSIBLE PRICE YOU CAN DO THESE FOR, UH, TWO, 400 FOOT TOWERS. AND ALSO, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, SHERIFF, AS I RECALL, WAS THAT WE AREN'T CHARGING ANYTHING FOR PEOPLE THAT USE IT. WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE PROVIDING THESE FOR THE COUNTY DOES NOT HAVE ANY SUBSCRIBER FEES. THAT IS CORRECT. WE ARE LOOKING, UH, WITH THE COMMITTEE, UH, TAILORED, UH, SUBSCRIBER FEES, WORKING WITH THE, UH, OTHER AGENCIES, UH, SEEING WHAT WE COULD DO THERE TOO. IN ADDITION TO THIS, THIS IS JUST FOR THE TOWERS. THIS IS NOT THE EQUIPMENT. IT'S NOT MOVING THE EQUIPMENT FROM THE EXISTING TOWERS OVER HERE. I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT'S NOT, NOT NEEDED OR NOT BENEFICIAL, I'M JUST SAYING THAT THERE'S HIDDEN COSTS IN HERE. LIKE, SO YOU APPROVED THE TOWER, NOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GONNA PAY TO MOVE THE EQUIPMENT AND OR BUY NEW EQUIPMENT. SO, SO THAT'S NOT THE TOTAL COST. YES, SIR. UH, THE BEST CASE IS WE'D PROBABLY MOVE, UH, ONE OF OUR LEASE SITES TO ONE THE NEW TOWERS. AND THEN I'D PROBABLY COME BACK. WE WANT TO OUTFIT ONE OF THE TOWERS WITH NEW RADIO EQUIPMENT. SO BRING ANOTHER TOWER SITE ONLINE. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE NEW TOWER THAT'S LOCATED IN MY YARD IS NOT ON YET. IS NOT ON, NO, IT'S NOT IN USE. YES, SIR. AND IS THE EQUIPMENT THERE TO, TO DO THAT? OR WHEN'S THE ANTICIPATED DATE OF THAT? WE, UH, UH, EARLY SUMMER IS WHEN THAT'S COMING ON. THE EQUIPMENT IS IS IN THE TOWER. WE'RE WAITING ON THE MICROWAVE, UH, UH, SET UP, UH, EARLY NEXT SUMMER. EARLY NEXT SUMMER. YES, SIR. THAT'S WHEN THE UPGRADE WILL BE DONE AND COMPLETED. JUST FOR REFERENCE, WHO'S THE, WHO'S ON THE COMMITTEE? UH, UH, MYSELF, COMMISSIONER HOLT, UH, MICHAEL BALDWIN, CITY, WEATHERFORD, UH, CHIEF WATSON, ESD, APRIL BALDWIN. UH, JASON LANE. UH, BEEN OVER HOLT FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. UH, HOSPITAL DISTRICT. YEAH. UH, YES. UH, HOSPITAL DISTRICT. SO WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES, UH, OF JUST ABOUT EVERY AGENCY THAT USES THE, UH, PARK COUNTY RADIO SYSTEM. OKAY. SO COMMISSIONER, I THINK THE IDEA OF GETTING MOTOROLA IN HERE AND ASKING THEM SOME VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD QUESTIONS IS FANTASTIC. WE NEED TO DO THAT. I MADE THE MOTION HERE, AND I'M GONNA STAND BY THE MOTION TO GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THIS WITH TWO THOUGHTS. NUMBER ONE, AS, AS, AS YOU SAID BEFORE, COMMISSIONER, WHAT WE APPROVE TODAY CAN BE CHANGED LATER ON. BUT NUMBER TWO, WE DID RANK THIS AS A FIVE AND I WANT IT APPROVED NOW SO THAT WE HAVE THAT RUNNING TOTAL SET HIGHER SO THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FUTURE APPROVALS THROUGH THE LENS OF THIS IS HOW MUCH, LIKE, BECAUSE IF WE DO APPROVE THIS, THEN ANYTHING APPROVED AFTER THIS ALSO FACES THE SAME SCRUTINY ON HOW ARE WE GONNA PAY FOR IT? WE'RE GONNA PAY FOR IT WITH FUND BALANCE. LIKE, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO? THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THIS SO THAT WE HAVE A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE WE'RE WORKING FROM. THAT BEING SAID, I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE TO THE COURT THAT HAVING A HEALTHY FUND BALANCE IS VERY IMPORTANT. I THINK THE GENERAL RECOMMENDED PRACTICE IS 25 TO 50%. I BELIEVE WE'RE SLIGHTLY OVER 50%. SO THAT IS SOMETHING I WANNA BE AGGRESSIVE ON, BECAUSE WHILE HAVING A HEALTHY FUND BALANCE IS IMPORTANT, I ALSO DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF SITTING ON TAXPAYER MONEY. SO I'M GONNA STAND BY THE APPROVE, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE. I SUGGEST THAT I NEED MORE INFORMATION. I'D LIKE TO GET SOME MORE INFORMATION BEFORE I APPROVE THIS, BECAUSE I WANT TO KNOW THE TOTAL COST. I WANNA KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA COST, WHAT EACH OF THESE TOWERS IS GONNA COST. ALL IN WITH THE EQUIPMENT, WITH THE NEW EQUIPMENT, WITH, WITH THE THINGS THAT THERE. AND, UH, NOT THAT THE COMMITTEE DIDN'T LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, THIS IS IMPORTANT. OBVIOUSLY [00:30:01] THEY DID. UH, MY POSITION IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHERE ELSE WE ARE AND WHERE THAT MONEY'S GONNA COME FROM AND WHAT, BUT I WANNA KNOW WHAT THE TOTAL COST IS GOING TO BE. NOT WE APPROVE THIS, NOW WE'VE GOT TO APPROVE THIS OTHER. SO WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. DO YOU HAVE A BALLPARK ON WHAT THE, I, I UNDERSTAND YOU DON'T HAVE DOLLAR AMOUNTS, BUT CAN YOU GIVE COMMISSIONER WALDEN A BALLPARK ON WHAT THE OTHER COSTS ARE GONNA BE? I'M GOING OFF. THE BEST SCENARIO IF WE BRING THESE TWO TOWERS ON, UH, BEST SCENARIO IS WE REMOVE TWO LEASE SITES THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY LEASING. MM-HMM . IF WE DO COME BY AND WE DO DRIVE BY WITH MOTOROLA AND THEY'RE DRIVING THROUGH THE STREETS, UH, DOING MOBILE HANDHELD, AND THEY COME BACK AND SAY, WE CANNOT, IT DOESN'T GIVE SENSE TO GIVE UP TWO. SO IF WE CAN, BEST CASE, I WOULD SAY WE'D HAVE TO OUTFIT, MOVE ONE LEASE SITE TO ONE OF THE NEW TOWER. AN OUTFIT. ONE TOWER WOULD PROBABLY BE BALLPARK, I WOULD SAY $500,000 EXTRA. AND THAT INCLUDES EQUIPMENT? YES. FOR BOTH TOWER. THAT WOULD BE BOTH. IF WE PROBABLY WENT THE BEST ROUTE SOLUTION, JUST MOVING ONE, NOT OUTFIT. AND TWO FROM, SO BEST CASE, THAT WOULD BE OUR BEST CASE. 0.3 MILLION. YES. THAT WOULD BE 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA TAKE 11 MONTHS TO, YOU KNOW, PUT BILL TWO TOWERS. SO THAT'S THE BEST CASE. WHAT ABOUT, WHAT ABOUT WORST CASE? WORST CASE IS WE WANT TO KEEP THE LEASE SITE BASED OFF COVERAGE MAPS AND THEN, UH, WE WOULD HAVE TO BE PROBABLY ANOTHER $500,000 TO BRING UP AND TWO ADDITIONAL TOWERS IN THE EXISTING, UH, TOWER RING. WE HAVE, THIS IS TWO TOWERS. THIS YES, SIR. BUT, BUT WE'RE BEING TOLD THAT WE ACTUALLY NEED FOUR TOWERS DOWN BASED OFF POPULATION WITH THE DENSITY GROVES. THEY'RE BIG, HUGE AREA UP, UH, UH, NORTHWEST, UH, PART OF THE COUNTY. YES, SIR. I, I'M NOT AGAINST THAT WOULD BE, NO, I'M NOT AGAINST WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. I'M JUST WANT TO KNOW THE TOTAL COST BEFORE WE MAKE THAT, THAT MOVE. IF, IF WE DID THAT. 'CAUSE THESE PLACE, WE HAVE PROPERTY NOW TO PUT ON WITH AGREEMENTS. UH, IF WE MOVE FORWARD, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAYBE SECURE PROPERTY, UH, IN THE FUTURE. AND I JUST, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT YET. UH, I JUST KNOW THESE TWO, WE HAVE PLACES TO DROP 'EM AND THERE IS NEEDED, UH, NO COST THERE. UH, AND UH, IT WOULD JUST BE THE MOVING, HOPEFULLY MOVING OF ONE AND BRINGING UP ANOTHER TOWER WITH NEW EQUIPMENT. SO IF WE FUND THESE TWO, WHEN DO WE NEED TO FUND THE OTHER TWO? IT WOULD BE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE. OH, WELL, SORRY. THAT WOULD BE BASED OFF THE POPULATION GROWTH AS WE HIT, UH, AREAS OF, UH, UH, MORE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT BEING BUILT. AND UH, COMMISSIONER, WHAT COMING BACK WITH THE COMMITTEE IS, IN AN IDEAL WORLD, WE WOULD'VE FOUR MORE TOWERS. YEAH. WE CAN'T AFFORD FOUR MORE TOWERS. BUT WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO ASK, THE COMMITTEE DID NOT WANT TO ASK FOR TWO THIS YEAR, AND THEN NEXT YEAR OR THE YEAR AFTER, WHENEVER WE CAN AFFORD IT, SO TO SPEAK, SAY, OH, YEAH, NOW WE NEED TWO MORE. WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE A ROADMAP I GOT IN THE FUTURE. YEAH. BUT THOSE OTHER TWO TOWERS, THEY MAY NOT BE NEXT YEAR. THEY MAY HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR OR TWO MORE THAN THAT. YEAH. OR LONGER. UH, ONE AREA WE ARE LOOKING AREA IS ACTUALLY LEASING ANOTHER SITE, UH, HOPEFULLY WORK IN SOME AGREEMENT. SO MIGHT NOT BE BUYING A ANOTHER TOWER IN THE, THE LAST TWO NEEDED. MAYBE WE COULD FILL IN, UH, DOWN SOUTH CENTRAL. THE TENT TOP AREA, I BELIEVE HE IS TALKING IS ACTUALLY ONBOARDING, UH, UH, UH, ANOTHER SITE FROM ANOTHER COMPANY. SO FOR CLARIFICATION, I I UNDERSTAND TOPOGRAPHY, ELEVATION AND, AND THE TOWERS YES. ARE BEING ABLE TO COMMUNICATE. YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE DENSITY AND THE ROOFTOPS AND THE GROWTH. THAT'S, SO IS THAT, THAT'S, DOES THAT CAPACITY FOR USAGE? YES, IT'S AFFECTING IT. THE OTHER THING WE'RE TRYING TO OVERCOME IS, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, TWO MAPS TO LOOK AT IS THE MOBILE IN THE CAR IS A LITTLE POWERFUL THAN YOUR PORTABLE ON THE HIP. AND, AND SO THOSE ARE THE ONES WE'RE REALLY HITTING IN IS THE DEPUTIES AND OTHER AGENCIES GETTING OUT OF THE VEHICLE, UH, GOING IN NEIGHBORHOODS OR GOING INTO A BUILDING, UH, NO RADIO, UH, WITH NEW BUILDING, CONSTRUCTION, LOWE GLASS, UH, DIFFERENT THINGS REALLY HINDERS, UH, THAT FREQUENCY. 'CAUSE OF THE BARRIERS. YES. A LOT OF SILVER TECHNOLOGY. LOWE, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND NEW BUILDING TECHNOLOGIES HINDERS, UH, THE, THE, THOSE RADIOS. OKAY. SO WE'RE TRYING TO COVER DENSITY TO GO INSIDE, UH, MORE BUILDINGS AND UH, ALSO JUST ON THE STREET. YES, SIR. DID THE SMITH TOWER HELP OUT AT ALL, SHERIFF OR CHIEF? DID THE SMITH TOWER TAKE CARE OF THE NORTHEAST? IT'S, WE HOPE IT DOES GET BETTER. IT'S NOT TURNED ON. IT'S NOT TURNED. NO, SIR. NO SIR. WHEN WILL THAT BE TURNED? THAT'S THE EARLY SUMMER, EARLY SUMMER, LATE SPRING, EARLY SUMMER NEXT YEAR. YES, SIR. SO I THOUGHT ALL THAT WAS ALREADY ON. NO SIR. NO SIR. OKAY. I'M PUSHING HARD TO [00:35:01] GET THAT DONE. WE'RE WAITING ON MICROWAVE, UH, DISHES NOW. UH, THE PARK WATER TOWER, WE HAVE ONE ISSUE WE'RE WORKING ON TO POINT IT TOWARDS THE BROCK TOWER AND WE'LL BE HANGING THOSE UP, UH, HERE THIS FALL INTO SPRING AND TURNING THAT SYSTEM ON FULLY, UH, EARLY SUMMER. HAVE WE MOVED THE STUFF FROM JACKSON TRAIL TO THE SMITH TOWER? NOT, NOT YET, NO, SIR. THAT'LL BE NOT TILL WE GET THE MICROWAVE DISHES. YES, SIR. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. I I JUST THINK WE NEED A BIGGER DISCUSSION THAN, THAN HERE TODAY. NOT OPPOSED TO MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT AT ALL, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW THE SCOPE, THE WHOLE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT, BECAUSE TWO, NOW, TWO LATER. I, I'LL TELL YOU, I PEOPLE STOOD RIGHT HERE AND TOLD ME THAT THE 700 SYSTEM AND THE ONE ADDITIONAL TOWER WOULD DO WHAT WE NEEDED. AM I, AM I RIGHT? YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. OKAY. YOU'RE RIGHT. LEMME DON'T WANNA GET TOO, TOO FAR OFF, BUT IS THERE OTHER TECHNOLOGY AVAILABLE OR ON THE HORIZON? BECAUSE I MEAN, THERE'S SATELLITE COMMUNICATION AND I, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND. I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT THE LAND OF LAND, WE'RE INVESTING A LOT IN THIS TECHNOLOGY IS DO, DOES ANYBODY SEE A, A BIGGER, BETTER, MORE EFFICIENT, THE BIGGEST PLATFORM IN THE FUTURE? THE BIGGEST MOVEMENT IS THE 700 MEGAHERTZ. UH, IN THAT ARENA, UH, WE HAVE BEEN, UH, PUSHING A LOT MORE OF OUR LTE COMMUNICATION, UH, DONE A LOT OF TESTS WITH OUR, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN AREAS. THE THING WE'RE LOOKING AT, THIS IS THE LIFE SAVING APPARATUS. YOUR YOUR PATROL DEPUTIES, AND SURE. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO KEY UP ON. YEAH. SO IT'S HARD TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING LTE, THAT DOESN'T WORK. PULL OUT YOUR CELL PHONE. SO AS WE'RE RELYING, HERE'S YOUR ISSUED RADIO, UH, THE FREQUENCY NOW IS 700, UH, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO OVERCOME AREAS OF NO RADIO. AND THEN AS WE GET MORE DENSITY, NEW BUILDING, UH, THOSE DEPUTIES GO OUT. IT IT WORKS EVERY TIME. AND SO, UH, WELL THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT A YEAR AGO ON THAT SOUTH TOWER SMITH TOWER. I MEAN, AND NOW IT'S ANOTHER YEAR. SO, I MEAN, UNDERSTOOD. YES, SIR. SEEMS LIKE I, SO I, I WANNA RECOGNIZE THAT WE'VE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF SPENDING $9 MILLION FOR THE UPGRADE AND THE TOWER AND THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE HERE. I I'M NOT TRYING TO QUANTIFY WHAT IT IS, I'M JUST TRYING TO PUT THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE. YEAH. AND, AND, AND SO I SAID, WELL, WILL THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS WILL DO WHAT WE NEED THEN THE FOUR TOWERS AND THE EQUIPMENT AND HAVING THE 700 TURNED ON, AND IT'S, THE, THE RESPONSE I GOT WAS, NO, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO HAVE TO SPEND MORE MONEY ON COMMUNICATIONS. I, I, SO, UM, NOT THAT THEY'RE NOT NEEDED, NOT THAT WE DON'T HAVE JUSTIFICATION HERE. 'CAUSE IT BENEFITS EVERYBODY. BUT I, I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE BEFORE I VOTE, UH, IN THE AFFIRMATIVE ON THIS, ON THIS ITEM. EVER ANSWER YOUR OTHER QUESTION? IS THERE ANY OTHER, LIKE, ON THE HORIZON AS FAR AS WHAT WE'D HAVE TO REVAMP AND INVEST IN FOR THE FUTURE? SO WHAT THE, WHAT WHAT THE QUESTION IS I SEE IT IS, IS IS THERE SOMETHING GONNA COME ALONG? UH, YEAH, SATELLITE WISE, IT'S GONNA MAKE, IT'S GONNA NEGATE THE NEED FOR THESE TOWERS IN THE NEAR FUTURE, BECAUSE THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT WE ARE HEARING IS THAT WE SPEND, YOU KNOW, YES SIR. I UNDERSTAND. 20 MILLION PLUS HERE. AND THEN, THEN WE COME ALONG AND SAY, GOSH, THE SATELLITE COMMUNICATION IS GOING TO WIPE ALL THAT OUT, THE, THE NEED FOR IT. I JUST, I'M JUST TRYING TO KEEP THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE HERE ABOUT WHAT COULD BE, I DON'T SEE THAT ON THE HORIZON. NO, SIR. MAYBE THE SAME TIME WE GET FLYING CARS, . WELL, I'VE HEARD ABOUT THAT FOR I DO UNDERSTAND. YES. AND, AND I WISH, AND, AND IF Y'ALL SHOULD KNOW, FOR ME, I, I TRY EVERY, UH, TECHNICAL ADVANTAGE WE CAN TO, UH, OUR ADVANTAGE. I REALLY, TRULY DO. UH, I WORK DAILY, UH, NOW, YOU KNOW, WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THE DEPUTIES, UH, I, I SEE IT FIRSTHAND. AND, AND THAT WAS THE ONLY REASON I REACHED OUT PERSONALLY. YEAH. WITH THE COMMITTEE. IT IS LIKE, ARE WE REALLY HAVING THESE ISSUES? UH, YOU KNOW, I LISTEN TO THE RADIO A LOT. UH, I, I'M USING SOME OF THE NEW TECHNOLOGY WHERE I DON'T HAVE TO SPEND $8,000 FOR A RADIO MYSELF. OTHER AGENCIES CAN DO THAT, BUT OUR PATROL DEPUTIES, FIRE EMS, THEY, THEY CAN'T DO THAT. THAT DOESN'T, DOESN'T BENEFIT THE, UH, RESIDENTS OF THE COUNTY. UH, IF YOU CALL FOR HELP, YOU WANT THAT DEPUTY ON THERE, OR IF HE NEEDS HELP, HE NEEDS TO GET HELP RIGHT HERE. UH, THAT'S THE ISSUE. YES, SIR. SO, SORRY, UH, THREE, THREE QUICK QUESTIONS. ONE, YOU HAD, UH, REMIND ME HOW MUCH YOU CUT ON YOUR IT BUDGET. WAS IT 1.1? UH, 1.3. 1.1. ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT MORE. I'M GONNA PUT OUT ANOTHER 120 30 WE HAD, [00:40:01] UH, APPROVED. I'M GONNA REMOVE THE GRANT LINE ITEM THAT WE XDR. SO NO, MOVING FORWARD. AND, AND AS I RECALL, WHEN YOU PRESENTED TO US, UM, CERTAINLY YOU'RE, YOU'RE ALWAYS DOING YOUR BEST TO BE THE BEST STEWARD OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS. WE, I THINK WE ALL RECOGNIZE HOW STRONGLY YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT, BUT IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WAS AN EXTRA, UM, PUSH AND FIRE IN YOUR BELLY ON THIS BECAUSE OF THE RADIO PROJECT AND HOW EXPENSIVE YOU KNEW THIS WOULD BE, BUT YOU BELIEVED IN THE NECESSITY OF IT TO THE DEGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE YOU WERE SCRATCHING. I AM GIVING UP AN EMPLOYEE, FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE POSITION. UH, I'M ASKING KIND OF TWOFOLD FOR SOME RAISES FOR MY GUYS THAT HAVE DONE PHENOMENAL HERE, BUT THE REST OF IT I'M GIVING BACK TO YOU. UH, SO KIND OF IN THAT SAME LINE, AND I'M, I'M FINE WITH WITHDRAWING MY MOTION HERE IN A SEC AND, AND MOVING ON IN, IN THAT SI SAME LINE THOUGH. I THINK THIS COULD BE THE TYPE OF ISSUE WHERE THE NEXT TWO TOWERS, FOR EXAMPLE, UNLESS WE KNOW WITH PERFECT CLARITY IN THE FUTURE EXACTLY WHERE EVERY HOUSE IS GONNA BE, AND EXACTLY HOW DENSE EVERY AREA IS GONNA BE FROM A POPULATION PERSPECTIVE, IS IT, IS IT EVEN POSSIBLE FOR US TO HAVE SOMEONE STAND THERE IN GOOD FAITH? LIKE DO YOU THINK YOU COULD EVER GET IN ANY REASONABLE SCENARIO, THE COMFORT TO LOOK AT US AND SAY, COMMISSIONERS, YOU'RE GOOD FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. I SWEAR IT. NO. IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE? I CAN'T. 'CAUSE I KNOW THERE'S AREAS, UH, UP IN YOUR AREA AS POPULATION GROWS. I'M TALKING ABOUT EVEN IF WE HAD FOUR TOWERS. NO, SIR. AND I GAVE THE MAPS TO THE COMMITTEE, EVEN IF WE HAD FOUR, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL KIND OF THE RENO AREA. UH, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, THERE'S AREAS STILL THAT IT'S A BIG COUNTY, UH, TO SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT COVERED. I, NO ONE COULD SIT HERE AND SAY THAT. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR HONESTY ON THAT. UM, THE, BECAUSE THE, I DON'T KNOW THAT, UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE GOT THAT BEFORE. UM, TO YOUR POINT, COMMISSIONER WALDEN, SO HERE'S, HERE'S WHAT I WOULD ASK THIS, THIS COURT, I'M GONNA WITHDRAW THIS MOTION, BUT I WOULD ASK US TO REMEMBER THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMEWHERE AROUND 4.3 TO 4.8. YEAH. THAT MR. KAYWOOD, MR. UH, LIEUTENANT OVERHOLT, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ALL FEEL VERY STRONGLY IS NECESSARY FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND TO, FRANKLY, TO PROTECT THE LIVES OF OUR DEPUTIES AND FIRE AND ALL THAT AS THEY GO OUT TO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. YEAH. SO, JAMES, THANK YOU. YES, SIR. YOU HAVE A LOT OF MY RESPECT. I HAVE ONE QUESTION. Y YES, PLEASE. UM, DO YOU KNOW, OR IS THERE ANYONE ACTIVELY LOOKING TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY FURTHER GRANTS OR ANY STATE OR FEDERAL ASSISTANCE ON THESE? YES. I'M LOOKING, I KNOW WE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE ONE SIRI GRANT THIS YEAR FOR THE INTEGRATION, AND I'M HOPING SOME OF THE LEGISLATION COMING OUT, UH, SOME TRAGEDIES RECENTLY, I THINK MORE IS GONNA COME OUT IN COMMUNICATION. UH, WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT, WELL, I WANTED TO ASK IF IT WASN'T YES. IF YOU MIGHT LOOK INTO THAT AND, AND DO SOME RESEARCH AND SEE, BECAUSE THESE ARE VERY LARGE TICKET ITEMS FOR OUR BUDGET. YES. UNDERSTOOD. I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU GOT THE, THE RADIO SYSTEM LUMPED IN YOUR LAP. WELL, BECAUSE IT WASN'T PREVIOUSLY. I, I, I AGREE. AND, AND IT DID, AND IT DID WIND UP IN YOUR LAP. YES, SIR. AND, UH, SO I WANNA MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR THAT YOU, YOU, YOU TOOK THE, THE, UH, PROJECT OVER AFTER IT HAD ALREADY STARTED AND, AND HAVE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB OF CARRYING THAT OUT. IT WASN'T IN YOUR JOB DESCRIPTION WHEN YOU CAME HERE TO RUN THE RADIO, UH, COMMUNICATIONS SYSTEM FOR THE COUNTY. OKAY. YES, SIR. SO I APPRECIATE THE WORK. OKAY. BECAUSE IT'S VERY MUCH, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO DEFEND. I WOULD JUST GIVE US, GIVE US INFORMATION. OKAY. UH, UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, JUDGE. SO I THINK, UM, AS WE, AS WE MOVE ON HERE, THE, UH, THE OTHER ITEMS THAT YOU SEE IN HERE, UH, IF THEY DON'T HAVE A RATING, THAT MEANS THAT THE COMMITTEE DID NOT DISCUSS THEM. SO IF THEY DON'T, THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE A RATING, THEN WE PROBABLY DIDN'T DISCUSS THEM. WE DO, WE DID DISCUSS, UM, FOR ANIMAL CONTROL, A THREEQUARTER TON. UM, CHEVROLET, TWO WHEEL DRIVE PICKUP PLUS OUTFITTING FOR THAT. UH, BUT IT, WE DID NOT GET THE RANKING DOWN ON THAT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT REAL QUICK. HOW MANY ANIMAL CONTROL VEHICLES DO WE HAVE NOW? I THINK WHAT THE, WHAT THEY WERE TOLD, WHAT TOLD US THAT THEY'D BEEN IN A, IN A CYCLE TO GET THOSE, BECAUSE THEY, THEY APPARENTLY DRIVE LOTS AND LOTS OF MILES. YES, SIR. WE HAVE, UH, SIX [00:45:01] SIX. SO WE REPLACE ONE EVERY, EVERY YEAR. SO WE GET, YOU KNOW, SIX YEARS OUT OF A VEHICLE BEFORE WE REPLACE IT. SO THE ONE THAT WE'LL BE REPLACING THIS YEAR WILL HAVE AT LEAST SIX YEARS ON IT. SO THAT WOULD BE UNDER ANIMAL CONTROL. THE CHEVROLET THREE QUARTER TON GAS, TWO WHEEL DRIVE PICKUP. YES, SIR. I'LL MOVE THAT. WE APPROVE THAT. THAT'LL COST 55,000. COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER WALDEN, THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CONLEY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR THEN WITH THAT, THEN THERE ARE SEVERAL, UH, WELL, THE VEHICLE OUTFITTING OBVIOUSLY NEEDS TO GO WITH IT. THE NEXT LINE DOWN AT 21,500 MOTION SHOULD BE BY COMMISSIONER HA, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR CASE FIVE. OH, LOOKING BACK ON PAGE ONE THERE, YOU'RE GONNA SEE SOME OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE, AND WHAT THEIR RATINGS ARE. UH, BUILDING AND GROUNDS, UH, DOWN MIDDLE WAYS THERE AS A, A CHEVROLET TRACKS THAT RECEIVED A RATING OF 4.6. AND THEN THE, UH, UH, I'M GONNA MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THAT. NOW. MOTION YOU MADE BY COMMISSIONER. HOLD SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN. THE AMOUNT IS 22,781 OF THOSE, NOT TWO OF THEM. WELL, WE HAVE A DIFFERENT RATING FOR THE SECOND ONE. OKAY. SO WE'LL WAIT AND SEE HOW THAT FLIES DOWN. THE, DOWN THE LIST HERE. OKAY. OKAY. SO I, I, UM, COME BACK UP HERE. UH, CCL TWO, UH, UP AT THE TOP OF THE FIRST PAGE THERE HAS A RATING OF 3.8 FOR THE, UH, AV SYSTEM, THE FIRMWARE AND SOFTWARE UPDATE FROM COMMUNICATIONS CONCEPT COMMISSIONER. BEFORE WE DO THAT, WE STILL HAVE A VOTE AND WE STILL, I PASS THIS BY VOTE. THANK YOU. OKAY. PROCEED. IT, IT RECEIVED A, A RATING OF 3.8 AND WE, WE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS REGARDING THAT. UM, JUST, JUST SO YOU'LL KNOW. BUT IT IS THE ONLY PLACE THAT WITH THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE, THAT'S THE ONLY SOURCE THAT WE HAVE TO MOTION. MAY COMMISSIONER HOLT SECOND. THE SECOND REQUIRE I SECOND THE MOTION. OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR. CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. AND THEN RIGHT DOWN BELOW IT AGAIN, UH, ADDITIONS TO THE AV SYSTEM FOR CC UH, TWO FOR, UH, $6,000. RECEIVED A 3.8 MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER. HOLD SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LEY. FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR, CARRIE, ABOUT THAT. SLIDING ON DOWN THE LIST, THERE IS A, UH, FOR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE OF 2026 CHEVROLET SILVERADO AT A COST OF $45,055. RECEIVED A RATING 3.6. I THINK WE PASSED OVER THAT LAST YEAR. WOULD THAT BE FOR ONE OF HIS INVESTIGATOR REPLACEMENT VEHICLES? IT'S A REPLACEMENT MR. MOVEMENT. COMMISSIONER. HOLD COMMISSIONER HILL FOR DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR, CARRIE? FIVE. OKAY. DOWN TO, UH, THE BOTTOM OF THIS PAGE, THE AXON LEASE. AND, UH, UH, WE, WE, WE KIND OF MADE A, A BREAKDOWN BACK DOWN HERE WHERE CONSTABLE NUMBER ONE AND, UH, UH, I'D SAY WE ASKED THE QUESTION. WE, WE'VE GOT THE QUESTION TO ASK THERE. GO AHEAD AND ASK IT. UH, CONSTABLE, ON THOSE FIVE BODY CAMERAS OBJECTION, ARE YOU INTENDING FOR THOSE TO BE WORN JUST AS PART OF THE REGULAR UNIFORM AT ALL TIMES? OR HOW, HOW WILL THAT WORK? MOST OF THE TIME THEY WILL WEAR 'EM. I CAN'T SAY THEY'LL WEAR 'EM ALL THE TIME. THE RECORDING ON THOSE SYSTEMS THAT GOES IN WITH THIS, IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. THOSE ARE CAMERAS ARE ASSIGNED TO A CERTAIN PERSON FOR THEIR INVESTIGATIONS OR THEIR PHOTOS OR WHATEVER THEY MIGHT DO. THAT'S THE REASON. IN TERMS, UH, AT THIS POINT, I'M WILLING TO DROP ONE EACH OF THE CAMERAS AND THE TASERS, WHICH I HAD WAS IN PURPOSE FOR MYSELF. I'LL REMOVE MINE FROM THAT. BE DROP THAT DOWN TO FOUR SO ALL FOUR OF MY DEPUTIES CAN HAVE ONE AS THEY NEED THEM. THANK YOU, SIR. THAT WAS PART OF OUR QUESTION. WAS IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE WHEN YOU SAY IT'S ASSIGNED TO A PERSON, THAT MEANS THAT IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S SITTING IN THE OFFICE AND YOU JUST PICK WHICHEVER ONE'S AVAILABLE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT GOES WITH THE PERSON AND, AND THE RECORDING SYSTEM THAT DOES DOCUMENTATION THAT GOES TO THE PERSON, NOT THE CAMERA. THANK YOU. MOTION BE BY COMMISSIONER CONLEY, SECOND COMMISSIONER HILL. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? WELL, I, I HAVE A LITTLE DISCUSSION ON THAT. WE ASSIGN THAT AT 4.2 FOR TWO IF THEIR WOR IS NEEDED. AND THAT'S WHAT THE QUESTION I WAS GONNA ASK YOU, UH, IF, IF, YOU KNOW, YOU SAY THEY'RE ASSIGNED TO THE PERSON, BUT I THINK WHAT THE COMMITTEE WANTED TO KNOW WAS IF THEY'RE GONNA BE WORN ALL THE TIME OR NOT. IF THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE WORN ALL THE TIME, THEN COULD YOU LIKE CHECK ONE OUT AND SAY, I'M GOING TO SOMEWHERE THAT [00:50:01] I THINK I'M GONNA NEED THIS TODAY? NO, SIR. LIKE I SAID, THEY'RE, THE WAY THEY'RE SET UP, IN MY UNDERSTANDING, THE WAY THEY'RE SET UP WHEN YOU GO TO DOWNLOAD THEM, JUST, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE RECORDING WHEN YOU GO DOWNLOAD IT, IT GOES TO THAT PARTICULAR PERSON THAT THEY'RE ON A SCIS. SO IT'S NOT POSSIBLE FOR ME TO CHECK ONE OUT, WEAR IT ON WHAT I PERCEIVE TO BE A, A NEEDED BASIS. AND THEN, AND THEN IF I, IF I'M DOING SOMETHING, PROBABLY I'M NOT GONNA NEED IT, THEN I DON'T HAVE TO WEAR IT. BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE ONLY QUESTION WAS THE COMMITTEE SAID WE RECOGNIZE THE NEED FOR THEM IN SPECIFIC INSTANCES, BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA WEAR 'EM ALL THE TIME, A HUNDRED PERCENT AND THEIR OWN ALL THE TIME. OKAY. BUT IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE, IF THEY'RE GONNA BE USED ONLY FOR SHORT PERIODS OF TIME, THEN WHY COULDN'T YOU JUST HAVE, SAY, ONE THAT YOU WOULD, OR TWO OR THREE THAT YOU CHECK OUT AND, AND WEAR AT THAT PARTICULAR DAY AND OR THAT PARTICULAR IN, IN THAT INCIDENT AND THEN SOMEBODY ELSE USES IT ANOTHER DAY? JOE, YOU WANNA ADDRESS THAT? MY DEPARTMENT, THEY'RE GONNA BE WARRANT ALL THE TIME. OKAY. UM, EVERYBODY'S GETTING ONE. AND PER THE POLICY OF THE OFFICE WARRANT ALL TIME, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO KNOW WE WILL MAKE RIGHT, IS WE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THEY'RE NOT SITTING THERE. WE'LL MAKE THAT POLICY, SIR. OKAY. SO THERE'S, YOU ONLY NEED FOUR INSTEAD OF FIVE. SO YEAH, I'LL DROP DROP, I'LL DROP MY FIFTH ONE OFF THAT I WAS GONNA WORK BECAUSE I WOULDN'T WEAR ONE ALL THE TIME ON THE TASER AS WELL. YES. RIGHT. THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, THE DISCUSSION ALL ON PEPPER. CURIOUS ABOUT, KIM, YOU GOT SOMETHING YOU WANT TO SAY ABOUT THAT? THAT'S NOT WHAT WE HAVE ON THE LIST HERE AND THAT CHANGES THINGS SIGNIFICANTLY. RIGHT. I'M GONNA, I'LL HAVE TO REDO THE CALCULATION ON THE FORMULA RIGHT. AND, AND GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT. BUT, SO YOU VOTED AND I'LL BRING THAT BACK. THANK YOU FOR CONFIRMATION. SO THE MOTION WAS FOR BOTH ITEMS THAN THE, THE CAMERAS AND THE TASERS EVEN? YES. OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I THINK THE SAME THING. UM, WE HAD THE SAME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TASERS. YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE GONNA BE WORN ALL THE TIME, THEY WILL. OKAY. DID Y'ALL APPROVE BOTH THE TASERS AND THE CAMERAS? OKAY. YEAH. FOUR. YEAH. MINUS FOUR, NOT FIVE. RIGHT? YEAH. SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING THAT WAS RANKED ABOVE A THREE. IT IS. DO YOU WANNA LOOK AT THE CIP PROJECTS? SO WHAT WE APPROVED IS FOR CONSTABLE ONE, CONSTABLE TWO, YOU HAVE THE SAME BECAUSE I'M NOT SEEING IT HERE. NO, SIR. WE THEY ALREADY HAVE THEIRS. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO I THINK THERE'S, IF, IF WE WORKED THROUGH A LAW ENFORCEMENT SHERIFF'S OFFICE, SP SPECIFICALLY, UH, ITEMS THERE THAT WE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE SEVERAL ITEMS THAT ARE EXPENSIVE THAT, THAT THE COMMITTEE DID NOT ADDRESS. OKAY. AND I GUESS WE'D LIKE TO PROBABLY HEAR FROM THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IS IN A PRIORITY OF, OF WHAT WE MIGHT NEED THERE. AND I KNOW WE'VE GOT A, WE'VE GOT A PRETTY GOOD LIST OF 'EM HERE, CHIEF. AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT. WE'VE, UH, WE, WE'VE GONE THROUGH AND APPROVE THE ITEMS THAT WE HAD THAT, THAT HAD FIVES, BUT THEN WE'VE GOT OTHER ITEMS MOVING DOWN THAT, THAT, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WOULD, WOULD FALL INTO THE NEXT, UH, STARTING MOST START DISPATCH NEEDED. UH, ITEM, UH, DO YOU WANNA START IN, UH, 5 45? LET'S BE DISPATCH. SO, UM, FOR DISPATCH, THE, THE CHAIRS QUANTITY FIVE, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE 24 7. THOSE CHAIRS GET USED 24 7, 365. UH, WE DON'T JUST GO OUT AND BUY A BUNCH OF CHAIRS WAITING FOR 'EM TO BREAK. WE ONLY, WE ONLY USE THOSE FUNDS TO [00:55:01] REPLACE 'EM AS THEY, AS THEY BREAK. AND THEN GO DOWN TO THE NEXT ONE. THE KEYBOARDS, KEYBOARDS. QUARTER 20. UM, ONCE AGAIN, WE, WE'VE INCREASED THE NUMBER OF, UH, DISPATCHING STATIONS FROM FIVE TO SEVEN IN DISPATCH. UM, HISTORICALLY THIS IS A COMPUTER COMPONENT. YEAH. YEAH. UH, SO THIS SHOULD REALLY FALL UNDER IT'S BUDGET. YEAH. UH, WE, THOSE KEYBOARDS GET BANGED ON, YOU KNOW, 24 7. SO WE HAVE TO REPLACE THEM. JUST MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT DUPLICATING. UH, JAMES? YES. KAYWOOD. SO WE, WE'VE GOT KEYBOARDS ON HERE. WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD'VE BEEN INCLUDED IN YOUR BUDGET OR NOT? THERE'S 2020 KEYBOARDS ON HERE FOR DISPATCH. WE USUALLY TRY TO CARRY SOME KEYBOARDS. UH, WE'VE DONE SOME LITTLE HIRING KEYBOARDS. UH, SOMETIMES THEY KEEP SOME STUFF THERE JUST IN CASE, YOU KNOW, IT'S MIDNIGHT, THEY PULL. I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE 'EM TWICE. EVEN THOUGH IT'S A SMALL AMOUNT, WE DO NOT HAVE THAT BUDGET ALL VERY GOOD. I BET WE COULD INCLUDE THAT IN YOUR MOTION HERE FOR THOSE TWO ITEMS. FOR DISPATCH. AND JUST, HOW ABOUT WITH THIS? WE DISPATCH THE WHOLE THING RIGHT HERE. MOTION BE BY COMMISSIONER HAL, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HOLT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? APPROVE THE TWO. DISPATCH BOARD. THE CHAIRS AND THE KEYBOARDS. YES, HONOR. UH, THE NEXT ONE IS FIVE 60 PCSO ADMIN FOR THE NEW HIRE UNIFORMS. THAT'S THE STANDARD WHENEVER WE, UM, WE HIRE NEW DEPUTIES. UH, WE HAVE A STOCK OF UNIFORMS NOW THAT PEOPLE TURN IN WHEN THEY LEAVE, BUT WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE THE REQUIRED SIZES, THINGS LIKE THAT. AND SO THE COURT HAS ALLOWED US TO PURCHASE A SET OF UNIFORMS FOR NEW EMPLOYEES IF WE DON'T HAVE THEM IN STOCK. SURE. OKAY. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER HAL, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER WALDEN SECOND BY COMMISSIONER. HALT. ANY THE DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR BY THAT? NEW HIRE UNIFORMS, SIR. THE NEXT, GOING DOWN TO, UH, SPECIAL CRIMES, UM, THE, UH, DIGITAL SR. SLR CAMERA. OBVIOUSLY WHEN THEY, THEY TEND TO PROCESS A LOT OF THEIR OWN CRIME SCENES. UM, THEY DO HAVE ONE, BUT IT'S, IT'S OLD AND MALFUNCTIONING. SO WE NEED TO REPLACE THAT CAMERA. IT'S A REPLACEMENT. YES, SIR. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN SA BY COMMISSIONER A. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL OKAY. CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. THE, UH, THE CELLEBRITE PC. WE SPOKE BRIEFLY ABOUT THAT. THAT'S THE, UM, I WILL, THAT'S THE CELL PHONE, UH, RECOVERY MACHINE. UM, THOSE HAVE A LIFESPAN. CELLEBRITE'S, LIKE EVERYBODY, ALL, ALL OF OUR OTHER VENDORS, UH, THEY PUT A LIFESPAN ON THOSE AND WE HAVE TO REPLACE THAT EQUIPMENT. SOFTWARE, ESSENTIALLY IT'S REPLACEMENT AS WELL. YES. CAN MOTION MOVE BY COMMISSIONER HA, STATE COMMISSIONER CONY, ANY OF THE DISCUSSION? ALL OF EVERY CARRIE . UM, GOING DOWN TO 5 62 FOR, UM, EQUIPMENT. NON CAP IS BE, UH, A LADDER, A CART. OFFICE CHAIRS, UM, DNA SWAB DRYER. THESE ARE ITEMS THAT WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE THAT WE'RE GONNA, UH, PURCHASE NEW. EXCEPT FOR THE CHAIRS. ONCE AGAIN WITH THE CHAIRS, LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE, WE DON'T BUY IT UNTIL WE NEED IT. AND MUCH MAY BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HILL. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL OF EVER CARRIE , UM, AUTOMOBILE EQUIPMENT NON CAP. THAT'S JUST REMOVING TWO, UH, HANDHELD DOCKING STATIONS FROM TWO OF THE, UH, TRUCKS THAT WERE SURPLUS AND MOVING THEM OVER TO THE NEW VEHICLES THAT WILL BE PURCHASING MOTION. MOVE. COMMISSIONER WALDEN SECOND BY COMMISSIONER. HALT. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? IF I, UH, MOVING DOWN TO PATROL 5 63 UNDER SAFETY EQUIPMENT, AN ENTRY VEST FOR SWAT. THESE VESTS ARE HEAVY DUTY. THEY'RE NOT YOUR NORMAL EVERYDAY WEAR VESTS. THEY'RE VERY EXPENSIVE. THEY HAVE A LOT MORE COVERAGE. UH, MR. COMMISSIONER, SORRY TO INTERRUPT. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER HALL, MY COMMISSIONER. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IS THIS THE REPLACEMENT OR IS THIS CONDITION? THIS WILL, SO THESE ARE KIND OF FITTED TO THE OPERATOR. MM-HMM . UM, THIS WOULD ACTUALLY BE A NEW VEST FOR A NEW OPERATOR. ALL IN FAVOR? UM, ADDING, UH, GOING DOWN THE NEXT LINE, HANDHELD RADARS, QUANTITY TWO, ADDING TWO MORE TO OUR RADAR FLEET. WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE TWO HANDHELDS AND I THINK THREE, UH, VEHICLE MOUNTED RADARS ION MADE BY COMMISSIONER CONLEY. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN. HAND DISCUSSION. ALL IN PAPER. CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. THE NEXT TWO ITEMS ARE GAS MASK AND KEVLAR HELMETS. I'VE COME TO YOU ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO SAYING WE NEED TO REPLACE THESE AND FIT THESE SPECIFICALLY TO SOME OF THE, UH, THE DEPUTIES. THIS IS THE LAST PART OF THAT, UM, THAT OUTFITTING. [01:00:01] SO ONCE THIS IS DONE, WE WON'T HAVE TO CONTINUE TO BUY THOSE GAS MASKS AND, UM, HELMETS. HELMETS, HELMETS DO HAVE A LIFE EXPECTANCY LIKE VEST, SO THEY DO EXPIRE. AT SOME POINT WE'LL HAVE TO START A REPLACEMENT PROGRAM FOR THE ONES THAT ARE EXPIRING. BUT THIS IS JUST TO OUTFIT OUR, OUR CURRENT DEPUTIES AND GET EVERYBODY A GAS MASK AND A HELMET. OKAY. MOTION MOVE BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN SECOND. COMMISSIONER HOL. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, CARRIE? YE YOU APPROVED 10 SHIELDS. SOME OF THOSE ARE REPLACEMENTS FOR EXPIRING SHIELDS. SOME OF 'EM ARE NEW CAPABILITIES OR NEW RESOURCES. THESE ARE JUST, UM, THE COVERS SO THAT AS THE GUYS SWITCH OFF THE SHIFTS, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL TURN THE SHIELD IN AND THE ONCOMING SHIFT THAT WE'LL PICK ONE UP. THAT'S JUST A COVER TO MAKE SURE THEY DON'T GET DING, SCRATCHED, NICKED DIRTY. OKAY, WELL WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN. WE HAVE A SECOND. WHICH ONE ARE WE ON THERE? WE'RE ON THE, UH, CARRY BAGS FOR THE SHIELD. SHIELD CARRY BAGS, PROTECTIVE. SKIP THE KEVLAR HELMET. WE, MY MOTION THERE WAS FOR THE GAS MASKS AND THE CAVAL. OKAY. AND THE HELMET CA HELMET. SO THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO MAKE SURE I DIDN'T SCREW UP. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL OF EVER, HERE'S BARBO , UH, THE STOP STICKS. HO. HOLD ON ONE SECOND. WE, WE, WE NEEDED A SECOND ON THAT ITEM. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. WHO, WHO MADE THE SECOND, SECOND? COMMISSIONER ECONOMY? THE SECOND PROCEED. WHO DID? WHO WITH THE STOP STICKS? THOSE, UM, THOSE ARE, UH, DEPLOYABLE AND, UH, CONSUMABLE DEVICES THAT WE USED IN PURSUITS TO DEFLATE TIRES. OKAY. MOTION MOVE. COMMISSIONER WALDEN SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HOLT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, CARRIE , NIGHT VISION GOGGLES. UH, I THINK THIS WILL ACTUALLY COMPLETE OUR OUTFIT. INCOME NIGHT VISION GOGGLES FOR OUR SWAT OPERATORS. NOT EVERYBODY GETS 'EM. ONLY CERTAIN MEMBERS ARE ASSIGNED THAT, UH, THAT EQUIPMENT. AND SO I THINK THIS WILL BE THE LAST ONE WE'LL HAVE TO ASK FOR. OKAY. MOTION. DO YOU NEED ANY, UH, COMMISSIONERS TO HELP YOU FIELD TEST THOSE? SURE. MOTION BE BY COMMISSIONER HOLT, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HILL. AND DISCUSSION. ALL OF FAVOR. CARRIE. SWAT ENTRY HELMET. THIS HELMET'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT 'CAUSE IT ACTUALLY HAS THE, UH, COM SYSTEM BUILT INTO IT, SO THEY'RE QUITE A BIT MORE EXPENSIVE. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER HALE. SAME BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN IN THE DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR? TARGET POINTER. THAT'S A LASER POINTER. UM, WE HAVE SOME NOW, BUT WE NEED ONE ADDITIONAL. UH, THOSE LASER POINTERS ARE LIKE THE I SENSORS. THEY'LL, THEY'LL LIGHT UP. UM, YOU KNOW, THE TARGETS FOR PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY HAD THOSE. UM, ALRIGHT, SO WE SKIPPED OVER THE GAS MASKS FOR SWAT. OH, DID WE? I'M SORRY. AND WE HAVE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM. UH, ER ON THE POER. YOU WANT WANT ADD THAT TO THIS ITEM? THE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CONY. THIS COMMISSIONER HA MASK. YEAH. WE'LL ADD GAS MASKS. THE RECORDS SHOW THAT WE WILL COMBINE THOSE TWO. SO, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? ALL ON PAPER. CURIOUS. SORRY ABOUT THAT. THAT'S ALL. UH, 40 MILLIMETER LAUNCHERS. WERE, UH, WE WANT TO ADD FOUR ADDITIONAL, YOU YOU MISSED ANOTHER SORRY, ITEM THERE. I'M JUST GOING RIGHT THROUGH THOSE. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. BULLET RESISTANT VEST. WHAT MAKES THIS VEST RESISTANT? BULLET RESISTANT. NO. VEST IS BULLETPROOF. I MEAN, YOU HEAR THAT A LOT. BULLETPROOF VEST. YEAH. THERE ARE ROUNDS THAT WILL PENETRATE BULLET VEST, THE BULLET RESISTANT VEST. UM, THE MANUFACTURER'S REQUIRED TO CERTIFY, UH, THAT THEIR, THEIR VEST CAN DEFEAT CERTAIN ROUNDS. UM, CERTAIN CALIBER ROUNDS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT THERE'S ALWAYS A POSSIBILITY THAT THE ROUNDS ARE ARMOR PIERCING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, SO THE RESISTANT, YOU NEVER, I NEVER SAY BULLET PROOF VEST BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PROOF, THEY'RE RESISTANT. UM, I'VE BEEN TO DEMONSTRATIONS WHERE I'VE SEEN A, A, A VEST DEFEATED BY, YOU KNOW, UM, BOTH FRONT AND BACK PANEL FROM A NORMAL ROUND THAT, YOU KNOW, THE DEPUTIES CARRY. AND SO WE DECIDED NOT TO PURCHASE THAT VEST. WE WENT WITH A DIFFERENT VEST THAT ACTUALLY DID DEFEAT THAT ROUND. BUT THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. SO THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN IT SAY BULLET RESISTANT. YEAH. SO TALK ABOUT THE PLATES JUST FOR A MINUTE THERE. IF, UH, SO I, I GUESS WHAT I'M SEEING THERE IS IF IT'S, IF YOU SHOOT IT WITH A NINE MILLIMETER, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO TAKE CARE OF IT. BUT IF YOU SHOOT IT WITH A TWO 70 RIFLE ROUND, IT'S PROBABLY HAS TO HAVE THE RIFLE PLATE IN THERE. YEAH. THERE'S DIFFERENT LEVELS OF, UH, OF VEST. THERE'S A, THERE'S A THREE A AND A LEVEL FOUR. SO THREE A'S TYPICAL, UH, TWO A THREE A. TYPICALLY WHAT YOU WEAR, YOUR SOFT BODY ARMOR IS CAPABLE OF FEEDING MOST HANDGUN ROUNDS. WHEN YOU GET INTO RIFLE ROUNDS. UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN SOMETIMES A 22 CALIBER CAN GO THROUGH A, A NORMAL VEST, [01:05:01] SOFT BODY ARMOR, BUT YOU HAVE THE SOFT BODY ARMOR, THEN YOU HAVE A TRAUMA PLATE, UM, IN THE FRONT. SO THAT'S THE STANDARD PART OF A VEST. IN THE PAST, WE HAD OBTAINED GRANTS TO PURCHASE AN ADDITIONAL VEST CALLED A RIFLE RESISTANT VEST. AND, UM, THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL VEST THAT YOU THROW OVER YOUR NORMAL WEAR. UH, FOR SITUATIONS WHERE YOU MAY BE GOING IN TO CONFRONT SOMEBODY WHO HAS A RIFLE. UM, WE'VE TRANSITIONED OVER BECAUSE WE, WE REALLY WANT OUR DEPUTIES WEARING THAT RIFLE PLATE WHEN THEY'RE ON DUTY, BECAUSE YOU DON'T ALWAYS HAVE TIME TO STOP, GO BACK IN THE BACK OF YOUR, YOUR TAHOE OR WHATEVER AND THROW THIS RIFLE PLATE ON. YOU MAY HAVE TO CONFRONT SOMEBODY WITH A RIFLE ON A TRAFFIC STOP. SO THE, THE SYSTEM THAT WE'VE GONE TO IS AN OUTER CARRIER, AND, UH, YOU PUT YOUR SOFT BODY ARMOR IN IT. IT ALSO HAS A, UH, UH, A FLAP OR A POUCH IN THE FRONT FOR A HARD, UH, TRAUMA PLATE. A RIFLE RESISTANT TRAUMA PLATE. IN THE PAST, THOSE HAVE BEEN METAL, EXTREMELY HEAVY. WE'VE TRANSITIONED NOW TO WHERE, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE MADE OUTTA CERAMIC. THEY'RE STILL HEAVY, BUT THEY'RE NOT NEARLY AS HEAVY AS THE OLD STYLE VEST. AND SO THE SYSTEM THAT WE'RE DEPLOYING NOW THAT WE WANTED TO CONTINUE TO DEPLOY IS THE OUTER CARRIER SOFT BODY ARMOR WITH THE FRONT FACING, UH, RIFLE PLATE. THANKS, MA'AM. I'LL PASS THIS AROUND. THAT'S THE NEW TIE. DO YOU HAVE ANY OF THESE RESISTANT ONES NOW, OR ARE YES. GONNA BE NO. HEY, CHIEF? NO. IN, IN THE PAST I THINK WE'D GOTTEN SOME KIND OF A GRANT FOR SOME OF THE BODY ARMOR. SOME OF IT IS THAT NO LONGER WE DID IN THE RIFLE. YES. AND WE COULD STILL WORK WITH, UH, WE, BECAUSE OF THE, THE PROBLEMS WITH STAFFING, UM, WE MISSED THE LAST, UM, GRANT PERIOD FOR THE RIFLE RESISTANT SYSTEMS. THESE TRAUMA PLATES, THEY'RE ONLY ABOUT, I THINK, 350 BUCKS FOR THESE RIFLE PLATES. TO BUY A FULL RIFLE RESISTANT VEST IS LIKE, UH, I THINK IT WAS LIKE 1250, A HUNDRED DOLLARS. UM, AND SO THESE WOULD FALL UNDERNEATH THE, THAT GRANT. SO WE COULD STILL PAY FOR PART OF THIS WITH THAT GRANT IF IT'S A, IF IT'S AWARDED TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. THE REASON WHY WE'RE ASKING WAS 'CAUSE LAST FISCAL YEAR, WE WERE ACTUALLY NOT AWARDED THAT GRANT. AND IT MAY HAVE BEEN THEY HAD LESS FUNDING AND WE HAD RECEIVED IT SO MANY YEARS IN A ROW. BUT , SO WE, WE REQUESTED 40. SOME OF THESE WERE REPLACEMENTS, UH, FOR VESTS THAT ARE EXPIRING, AND THEN SOME OF 'EM ARE FOR NEW EMPLOYEES COMING ON. OBVIOUSLY THE VEST. UM, THE ONES THAT ARE STILL WITHIN DATE, WE TRY TO FIT, WE HAVE A, A STASH, A STORE, A VEST FOR OUR NEW EMPLOYEES. WE TRY TO FIT THOSE. IF THEY FIT, THEN THAT'S WHAT THEY GET. HOW LONG DO THEY LAST? WHAT'S THE FIVE YEARS? FIVE. FIVE. FIVE YEARS. UM, IF THEY DON'T, THEN WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND BUY THEM A VEST THAT'S FORM FITTED TO THEM. OBVIOUSLY THIS IS ANOTHER LINE. IF ONLY, IF WE ONLY END UP USING 30 OF THAT 40 VEST, THEN THAT MONEY GETS RETURNED TO THE COUNTY. YEAH. OUR, OUR PROBLEM IS WE'RE SITTING HERE TODAY STARING AT THE 70,000 MM-HMM . WHICH WE ALLOCATE IT. NOW WE HAVE TO SET ASIDE THE FUNDING. NOT THAT WE'RE NOT NOT GONNA DO IT. I'M JUST SAYING THAT AS WE GO DOWN THE LIST HERE, THIS IS ONE OF THE LARGER ITEMS. MOTION BE. MOTION BE BY COMMISSIONER. CALL NEXT SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HALE. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? YEAH, I APPRECIATE THE, UH, UH, LOOKING FOR THE EXTRA MONEY AND, AND NOT SPENDING IT IF YOU DON'T NEED IT. SO WE, WE RECOGNIZE THE NEED WITHOUT A DOUBT AND WE'RE NOT QUESTIONING THE NEED. I JUST, YOU'VE ALREADY, I'VE ALREADY HEARD YOUR STORY ABOUT THIS. I JUST WANT EVERYBODY ELSE TO HEAR IT. THAT MIGHT BE, UH, LISTENING OR HASN'T HEARD THE CURIOUS ABOUT INFORMATION. UH, THE 40 MILLIMETER LAUNCHERS. LIKE I SAID, WE WANTED TO DEPLOY FOUR MORE OF THESE. WE USE 'EM QUITE OFTEN. THEY'RE VERY EFFECTIVE. OKAY. MAYOR WAL, COMMISSIONER T ANY DISCUSSION ALL OVER? CURIOUS ABOUT THAT? UH, THE TRI BAND ANTENNA. SO THIS IS FOR, THESE ARE RADIO ANTENNAS. UNFORTUNATELY, THE MOTOROLA PRODUCTS ARE, UM, CAN BE BRITTLE AT TIMES. THESE ARE THE ROOF MOUNTED ANTENNAS. AND WE HAVE HAD TO, UH, WE HAVEN'T IN THE PAST. WE HAVE NOT BUDGETED FOR THOSE REPLACEMENTS, BUT WE CONTINUE TO HAVE TO REPLACE THOSE. UM, AND SO IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN OUR FLEET, MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE STAYING UP AND, AND RUNNING WHEN WE NEED 'EM TO. I NEED TO HAVE A STASH OF THESE ON HAND. INSTEAD OF WAITING SIX MONTHS TO GET THESE ANTENNAS IN MOTION. MADE BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN, THE GOVERNMENT COMMISSIONER. HA, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THE PAPER. CARRIE , [01:10:01] UH, THE VEHICLE LOCKBOX, UM, FOR OUR SWAT OPERATORS. SO THE OUTFITTING OF THE, OF THE, OF THE TAHOES, THEY COME WITH A STANDARD GUN MOUNT INSIDE THE VEHICLE. UH, THESE LOCK BOXES WOULD BE FOR ADDITIONAL FIREARMS OR SWAT RELATED EQUIPMENT THAT IN THE EVENT THAT WE HAD, HAD IT HAVE HAD, HAD, HAVE HAD IT HAPPEN IN THE PAST, THE VEHICLE'S BURGLARIZED, UM, THAT THEY WOULD HAVE A HARDER TIME GETTING THERE TO STEAL THE, YOU KNOW, THE VEST, THE, YOU KNOW, OPTICS, THE NIGHT VISION OPTICS AND THE OTHER, UH, SPECIALIZED EQUIPMENT. FLASH BANGS, SMOKE GRENADES, THINGS LIKE THAT. ANY MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HALL? SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HA. I HAND A DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR CURIOUS BY THAT. COMMAND BOARDS. UM, THIS GOES RIGHT ALONG WITH SOME OF THE OTHER RESOURCES WE WANNA START DEPLOYING FOR, UH, MAJOR INCIDENTS, ACTIVE SHOOTER TYPE SITUATIONS, ANYWHERE THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE REQUIRED TO SET UP COMMAND POST SO THAT OUR, UM, OUR SERGEANTS, LIEUTENANTS, CAPTAINS ON SCENE WILL BE ABLE TO VISUALIZE WHO'S DOING WHAT AND WHERE, WHAT SHE MADE BY COMMISSIONER WAL SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HALL AND DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR CARRIES BY VOTE, AIR REGAIN ANTENNAS. THIS IS THE SECOND COMPONENT TO THE COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS IN THE VEHICLES, THE PATROL VEHICLES. THIS RUNS THE GPS, UM, FOR THE, UH, THE MC, UH, THE MCT, THE RADIO, UH, THE, I'M SORRY, UH, THE COMPUTER. UH, ALL THE DATA THAT'S COMMUNICATED BETWEEN OUR SERVERS AND OUR COMPUTER SYSTEM IN THE CAR IS RUN THROUGH THIS ANTENNA. AND ONCE AGAIN, THESE BREAK, WE HAVE IT JUST STORE HISTORICALLY, UM, BUDGETED FOR THESE. BUT WE DO REPLACE 'EM AND WE JUST NEED A STORE OF THEM ON HAND. GIVE A MOTION BECAUSE YOU'RE HA, SAME BECAUSE YOU'RE CONLEY. ANY OF THE DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, CARRIE, BY DOCKING STATIONS. WE, WHENEVER WE DOWN A VEHICLE, WE TAKE IT OFF THE LINE, WE PULL THIS EQUIPMENT OUT, UM, WE PULL OUT THE, THE, THE DOCKING STATION. OBVIOUSLY THE, ALL THE AXON EQUIPMENT, THE, UM, UM, A LOT OF THE EQUIPMENT WE HAVEN'T, WE DON'T REPLACE IT WITH NEW UNLESS IT BREAKS. WE'RE STARTING TO HAVE FAILURES. SOME OF THIS EQUIPMENT'S VERY OLD, PROBABLY IS. WE GET A LONG LIFESPAN OUT OF THESE DOCKING STATIONS. 5, 6, 8, 10 YEARS. BUT THEY ARE STARTING TO FAIL. AND SO, UM, WE'VE HAD TO REPLACE SEVERAL THIS FISCAL YEAR, UH, EVEN THOUGH WE DIDN'T BUDGET FOR IT. SO GOING FORWARD, I WANT TO BUDGET AND HAVE SOME OF THOSE DOCKING STATIONS ON HAND IN THE EVENT THAT WE ACTUALLY NEED 'EM. OKAY. MOTION MOVE BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN SECOND WITH COMMISSIONER. HA. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR HEARING? JUST JUST TO COMMENT, UH, BACK, BACK TO, UH, JAMES KAYWOOD. JAMES, I RECOGNIZE THAT SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE, ARE IT ITEMS? AND, AND I RECOGNIZE THAT IF, IF YOU DO HAVE A DUPLICATION, THAT YOU'LL BE REMOVING THEM FROM YOURS. IS THAT FAIR? YES, SIR. YEAH. INSTEAD OF ASKING YOU EVERY, YOU KNOW, SO I RECOGNIZE YOU'RE PAYING ATTENTION. OKAY. SO THE, UH, NEXT ITEM UNDER PATROL AND LAST ITEM UNDER PATROL IS REMOVAL THE REINSTALLATION OF THE LPR SYSTEM INTO A NEW VEHICLE. SO WE HAVE A, A VERY EXPENSIVE LICENSE PLATE READER SYSTEM IN OUR CURRENT, UH, INTERDICTION VEHICLE. IF WE REPLACE THAT VEHICLE, WHEN I'LL NEED THE FUNDS TO HAVE THE COMPANY UNINSTALL AND THEN REINSTALL IT INTO THE NEW VEHICLE, MUCH OF THEM ARE COMMISSIONER HALE. SAME WITH COMMISSIONER HOLT. HOW MANY OF THEM READERS DO YOU HAVE? WE HAVE ONE. SO THIS WILL BE A SECOND ONE OR YOU JUST NO, SIR. PLACE OF SIR. YEAH, IT'S JUST MOVING OVER TO NEW VEHICLE. MOVING. YOU'RE JUST MOVING. YES, SIR. FROM ONE VEHICLE. SIR, HOW MUCH DOES ONE OF THOSE COST? THEY'RE, UH, I THINK WE PAID ABOUT $8,000 FOR THIS SYSTEM BACK IN THE DAY. WE'VE HAD IT FOR, I DUNNO, EIGHT OR 10 YEARS MAYBE. OH, YEAH. UM, THE GOOD THING ABOUT THE AXON CONTRACT THAT, UM, THE UPCOMING ONE THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IN THE NEXT REGULAR BUD, UH, COMMISSIONER'S COURT, IS IT, THAT CONTRACT ALSO HAS AN LPR COMPONENT TO IT. SO THE FRONT CAMERA WILL BE ABLE TO DO SOME OF THE SAME LPR STUFF THAT THIS SYSTEM DOES. THIS SYSTEM, HOWEVER, IS GOT FOUR CAMERAS ON TOP AND IT CAPTURES EVERYTHING. SO IT'S VERY, UH, IT'S VERY ROBUST. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR. CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. UH, MOVING DOWN TO ANIMAL CONTROL, UM, DOG BOXES. WE DID REPLACE SOME OF OUR DOG BOXES THIS FISCAL YEAR, UH, AND I TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. THESE NEW DOG BOXES ARE LARGER. UM, THEY, THEY ALLOW FOR MORE AIRFLOW FOR THE ANIMALS. UM, THEY'RE A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE FOR THE ANIMALS. ANIMALS TO REDUCE THE TRAUMA OF BEING TRANSPORTED FROM [01:15:01] THE SITE OF RECOVERY TO THE SHELTER. I'M GONNA MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ALL OF THE ITEMS CONTINUING OUT FOR ANIMAL CONTROL THAT HAVE BEEN REQUESTED ON YOUR LIST THERE. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN SECOND. UM, HAVE, I'LL SECOND. IT WENT TO NO SECOND. YEAH, I, I TRIED TO HIT THE BUTTON, BUT SECOND BY COMMISSIONER. HOLD ANY OF THE DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR? THE MAJORITY OF THOSE ARE SOMETHING THAT ARE CONSUMABLES AND, UH, YES, SIR. WELL, WE WANT THEM DOGS TO BE COMFORTABLE. NOW, UM, DOWN TO COURTHOUSE SECURITY, I'VE GOT, UH, FIVE CHAIR REPLACEMENTS. ONCE AGAIN, THAT'S NOT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HISTORICALLY HAVEN'T BUDGETED FOR. IF WE DO HAVE TO REPLACE THEM, WE, IN THE PAST, WE'VE JUST SCRATCHING MONEY FROM OTHER LINES GOING FORWARD. THIS, THIS BE SOMETHING THAT IF WE NEED IT, WE'LL USE IT. IF WE DON'T, WE WON'T USE IT. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN. SECOND. COMMISSIONER HALE, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL ON PAPER APPEARS FIVE. BILL. THE HANDHELD METAL DETECTORS NOW, BOTH, UH, TALKED TO BRIANNA ABOUT THIS, BUT BOTH THIS AND THE, THE WALKTHROUGH METAL DETECTOR, THESE CAN ACTUALLY BE PURCHASED AT A FUND 73 OUT OF THE COURTHOUSE SECURITY LINE. UM, IF THERE'S MONEY AVAILABLE IN THERE, AND I THINK THERE IS, SO THIS IS PROBABLY SOMETHING WE CAN REMOVE FROM THIS REQUEST. SO, DO WE NEED AN APPROVAL, BRIANNA, OR, YES, BECAUSE THOSE FUNDS ARE STILL CONTROLLED BY COMMISSIONER'S COURT. I'M MAKING THE MOTION FOR FUND 73. OKAY. AND WE MOVE THE DETECTOR RIGHT? PREVIOUSLY. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER. HOLD SECOND. WITH COMMISSIONER WALDEN. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL ON FAVOR, CARRIE. UM, AND THEN MOVING DOWN TO 5 68, UH, TRANSPORT. SO, UH, A SHOCK ANKLE SHOCK RESTRAINT. IN THE PAST WE USED THE BELTS. WE'VE GOTTEN AWAY FROM THAT. WE NOW HAVE 'EM ON THE ANKLE. WE DO HAVE, I THINK TWO NOW THAT WE DEPLOY. BUT WITH AS MUCH QUARTER AS WE GOT GOING ON, WE NEED TO, UH, IN, IN THE EVENT OF A FAILURE, WE NEED TO HAVE AN EXTRA ONE. OKAY. MOTION. MAY, BUT COMMISSIONER, HOLD SECOND. WITH COMMISSIONER WALLEN, ANY OF THE DISCUSSION? DID THE WAIST ONES, DO THE ANKLE ONES WORK BETTER THAN THE WAIST ONES OR THEY'RE THEY'RE ABOUT AS, AS EFFECTIVE EITHER WAY. UH, THEY'RE NOT AS, UM, BULKY AND THEY'RE NOT SHOWING AS MUCH. A LOT OF TIMES WHENEVER YOU HAVE A DEFENDANT, UM, YOU DON'T WANT THE APPEARANCE OF THAT TYPE OF RESTRAINT TO INFLUENCE A JURY'S DETERMINATION ON GUILT OR INNOCENCE OR KINDA LIKE THE DOG BOX. WE GOTTA BE MORE SENSITIVE. YES, SIR. TO THE WAY THINGS LOOK. YEAH. COMMISSIONER CONLEY, YOU SHOULD FIELD TEST THAT FOR US AND REPORT BACK FORM A COMMITTEE AND WE'LL CHECK THAT OUT. I THINK BECKY WANTS TO BE ON IT. AND THEN THE LAST ITEM I HAVE IS THE, UH, HANDHELD DOCKING STATIONS. SO FOR OUR CID VEHICLES AND OUR TRANSPORT VEHICLES, WE DON'T PUT, UM, UH, MOBILE RADIOS IN THOSE, CAN I, OKAY. CAN I STOP YOU? WE HAD A MOTION, A SECOND PREVIOUS ITEM, BUT WE DIDN'T VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? CARRIE? FIVE VOTE. SORRY. PROCEED. SORRY, JUDGE. WE DON'T PUT THE, UH, MOBILE RADIOS IN THOSE VEHICLES. UM, THE EMPLOYEES HAVE A HANDHELD AND THERE'S NO SENSE IN FOR THOSE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT SUBJECT TO IMMEDIATE NEED FOR THOSE RADIOS. THEY'RE NOT DEPLOYED IN A CRITICAL INCIDENT A LOT OF TIMES, MOST OF THE TIME. UM, SO THE, THE HANDHELD WORK IS FINE FOR THEIR NEEDS. AND SO WE PUT THESE DOCKING STATIONS INSIDE THE VEHICLES TO BOOST THE POWER OF THOSE HANDHELD RADIOS. OKAY. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER AL A SECOND WITH COMMISSIONER CONLEY. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL PAPER. JUDGE. I, I THINK THAT TAKES US RIGHT INTO THE BREAK TIME. WELL, I SEE IT. MY SHEET SAYS THAT WE'RE TAKING A BREAK. YEAH. SINCE I'S COMING UP. WE, WE CAN, THIS YOU, WE'LL TAKE A RECESS AT 10 19 AND I JUST, MY JOB COME BACK WHEN YOU CAN. SO I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE SITTING HERE LOOKING AT THE LAST SHEET AND WE'VE GOT IT NEXT. AND THOSE ARE PRETTY SMALL AMOUNTS. IF, UH, IF JUDGE IF WE'D MOVE TO RIGHT ON DOWN OUR LIST HERE TO SEE WHAT IT HAS GOT AND THEN THAT MAKES IT PRETTY EASY TO MOVE TO THE NEXT DEAL. OKAY. JAMES, WOULD YOU COME UP PLEASE? IT'S THAT EOC, THE CORE, THE RADIO CORE. THIS, OH, I'M SORRY. YES. UH, A COUPLE ON THE RADIO PROJECT [01:20:01] I DID. CAP LINE. UH, WE DO NEED TO REPLACE THE, UH, BATTERY BACKUP THERE AT THE, UH, ELC BUILDING. IF Y'ALL GO IN THERE REALLY LOUD BUZZ. IT'S PRETTY OLD. UH, WE LIKE TO REPLACE THAT. UH, SOME SMALL TOOLS AND A COUPLE LITTLE SMALL TOOLS. UH, JUST KIND OF HELP US IF WE NEED TO REPLACE, UH, OUR TESTER OR, UH, C CRIMPERS, UH, TO DO NETWORK WORK. SO I'M GONNA MOVE THAT WE, UH, APPROVE THE EOC RADIO CORP REPLACEMENT THERE. IS THAT RIGHT? YES, SIR. OKAY. MOTION MOVE COMMISSIONER. SMALL TOOLS AND UH, WHATEVER. YEAH, THOSE OTHER ITEMS RIGHT THERE. COMMISSIONER WALDEN. AND THEN SAY ABOUT COMMISSIONER CONLEY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN PAPER CARRIES ABOUT WHAT ABOUT, UH, JAMES, WOULD YOU HAVE INFORMATION ON THIS FOR PERMITTING AS WELL? THE SOFTWARE THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR? DO YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON THAT? OR IT'S A YES OR NO? YOU, YOU DO. YES. UH, THAT'S ACTUALLY, UH, SORRY. CLOUD-BASED, UH, PORTAL THEY'RE LOOKING AT TO REPLACE THEIR ON-PREM SERVER, UH, KIND OF OLD ACCESS TYPE, UH, PROGRAM. UH, I BELIEVE OTHER AGENCIES CAN ACTUALLY USING IT, UH, WITH THE PERMITTING COMMISSIONER PRECINCTS, I THINK WITH THE PLATING PROCESS. SO I BELIEVE, UH, IT'LL BE SHARED, UH, UH, INFORMATION BETWEEN, UH, UH, MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS, UH, THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS. AND, UH, YES. SO I WAS GONNA ASK THIS QUESTION 'CAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW, AND I, YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW, SO I DON'T WANNA PUT YOU ON THE SPOT HERE, BUT PERMITTING HAD NOT BEEN UTILIZING COMPUTER PROGRAM AND THEY HAD BOXES AND BOXES OF RECORDS. HAVE THEY, HAS THAT BEEN, I BELIEVE THEY'RE STARTING TO SCAN. YES. UH, AND THAT'S ONE THING WE UPDATED, UH, UH, HOPE EVERYONE IN THE COUNTY NOTICED THE, THE EVERYONE'S FILE STORAGE SPACE, UH, MAGICALLY, UH, GREW. UH, AND THAT WAS TO HELP THEM, UH, BE ABLE TO SCAN A LOT MORE DOCUMENTS TOO, EVEN IN PERMITTING. I DON'T KNOW EXACT PROCESS. I KNOW THEY WERE STARTING LOOKING AT IT. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE AT, UH, HOW FAR THEY'VE ACHIEVED, HONESTLY. BUT I KNOW WE INCREASED A LOT OF, UH, SPACE FOR THEM AMONG, WITH EVERY DEPARTMENT IN THE COUNTY ALSO. SO THIS $61,380 IS FOR SOFTWARE THAT WILL DO THAT IS THE CLOUD SOFTWARE, I BELIEVE, UH, MAINTAINS ALL THEIR, UH, THE SEPTIC SEPTIC PERMITTING COMING THROUGH. YES. I'M STARTING, I'M SORRY WITH YOU MOVING FORWARD. MAYBE WE NEED, MAYBE WE NEED PERMITTING HERE IN CASE PLUS IT HELPS WITH PLATTING TOO. I, I, I BELIEVE IT WORKS WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. SO IT, THIS IS THE CLOUD PORTAL. I HOPE THAT WE CAN COMBINE THOSE TWO TOGETHER. YES. AND I'M SORRY I DON'T HAVE ALL THE DETAILS. I THINK THE SYSTEM DOES AND, AND OBVIOUSLY WITH BEING IN THE CLOUD, THAT, THAT ALLOWS THE ACCESSIBILITY. THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, IS THIS, DO WE OWN IT OR IS THIS GONNA BE LIKE AN ANNUAL LEASE AND DO WE MAINTAIN OWNERSHIP OF THE DATA? THOSE KIND OF QUESTIONS THAT I KNOW THAT YOU DEAL WITH ALL THE TIME, UH, ON THAT PART. YEAH, I, WE HAD THE MEETING WITH THEM. WE DO MAINTAIN THE, UH, DATA. THE TRICK IS IF YOU'RE GONNA CANCEL THESE SERVICE, YOU NEED TO GET THE DATA BEFORE, DON'T YEAH. NOT PAY IT. UH, USUALLY IT'S A 30 DAY WRITTEN NOTICE MM-HMM . AS SUCH, UH, GET THE DATA. UH, BUT, UH, IN THE CLOUD PORTAL WORLD, IF YOU JUST DON'T PAY IT ONE DAY, YOU MAY, THEY COULD DISABLED ACCESS AND HAVE TO WORK WITH THEM. SO YOU'D HAVE TO FOLLOW THE YEAH. TERMS AND CONDITIONS CLOSELY. BRIANNA, DID YOU SAY IT'S AN ANNUAL LEASE? UH, YEAH. JUST LIKE KIND OF THE SOFTWARE AS A SERVICE. YES. ANNUAL PRESCRIPTION AMOUNT. AND I BELIEVE A PORTION OF TRYING, A PORTION OF IT. UM, YEAH, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY RELATED TO THE IMPLEMENTATION, I THINK. YEAH. THE BIGGEST PART. THIS YEAR LOSS THIS YEAR? YES. OKAY. THIS IS THE IMPLEMENTATION GETTING ITS SERVER. OKAY. MOVING, MIGRATING DATA. UH, IMPLEMENTATION FEES ARE ADDED ON THIS YEAR, BUT IT'S NOT JUST FOR PERMITTING. THE, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S SUPPOSED TO HELP WITH THAT, BUT YEAH. GOES INSIDE WITH THE PLATTING PROCESS TO LOOK AT. WHY DON'T WE GET SOME MORE INFORMATION IF Y'ALL ARE GOOD WITH THAT? YEP, I AM. AND WE'LL HAVE 'EM COME OVER. THAT'S A BIG TICKET ITEM, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO, OKAY. SORRY, I DON'T PARTICULARS UP FRONT. NO, AND I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. TALK ABOUT IT. SO WHILE WE'VE GOT YOU HERE, SEE IF YOU CAN SHED ANY LIGHT ON THIS BECAUSE THE NEXT TWO ITEMS THERE ARE FOR, UH, THE EXTENSION FOLKS. OH, OKAY. YOU MAY HAVE MORE INFORMATION ON THIS. THAT'S RIGHT. THE RECURRING IS ABOUT $34,000 A YEAR AFTER THIS YEAR. OKAY. ON THAT. I THINK WE'RE GONNA NEED MORE INFORMATION. 34,670 [01:25:03] WILL BE THE REOCCURRING ANNUAL AGREEMENT FOR THAT CLOUD SERVICE. MUST BE SOME GOOD STUFF. , THE IMPLEMENTATION IS 28,210. SO I GUESS WE'RE GOING TO BE FOLLOWING THE CATEGORY OF NEEDING MORE INFORMATION. RIGHT. SO WHAT ABOUT THE, THE NEXT ITEM THERE IS THE, THE EXTENSION COST SHARE COMPUTERS. YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OR INFORMATION REGARDING THAT? BECAUSE WE, BECAUSE I, I ASKED THAT THE OTHER DAY AND THEY SAID, WELL, NO, THEY JUST TELL US WHAT THEY NEED. TELL US WHAT THEY YEAH, THAT'S ONE THING. THEY PROVIDE A LOT OF THE EQUIPMENT THERE AT THE AG EXTENSION. UH, THEY BUY MOST OF 'EM THERE WITH THE, I'M NOT QUITE, YEAH. THE AND M FUNDS. AND WE ONLY PROVIDE A COUPLE COMPUTERS AND SERVICES. SO, UH, THEY'LL USUALLY COME IN, WE'RE GETTING THIS MANY COMPUTERS AT THIS PRICE, AND THEY'RE PAYING KIND OF, I, I DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND. YEAH, I JUST, SORRY. I THINK THAT FALLS INTO THE SAME CATEGORY OF NEEDING MORE INFORMATION FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. SOMEBODY ELSE MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT IDEA, BUT, UH, I WOULD SAY THAT THESE NUMBERS LOOK OUTTA LINE TO YOU WOULD BE MY QUESTION. NO, NO, IT'S NEVER, BUT THAT'S TWO. YEAH, THAT'S FOR TWO. AND THAT, THAT'S JUST FOR OUR COST SHARE. I, I WON'T KNOW WHAT THE TOTAL COST IS FOR I VOTE FOR IT. I, I, I, OKAY. WE CAN GET MORE INFORMATION. AND DIDN'T, UH, THEY GET A NEW VEHICLE LAST YEAR OR DO YOU REMEMBER? THEY DID NOT GET ONE LAST YEAR. THEY RECEIVED A ONE ON OUR RATING SCALE, AND I THINK IT'S BEEN RECENTLY. DO YOU WANNA DISCUSS THE CONEX THAT THEY'VE REQUESTED FOR STORAGE? WELL, I GOT IN, UH, TWO OR THREE THINGS REGARDING THAT. UH, ONE SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. SOMEBODY TOLD ME THAT POSSIBLY THAT THERE WAS ONE THERE THAT SOMEBODY ELSE HAS USED. JUVENILE, JUVENILE HAS ONE THERE ON THE LOT THAT THEY'RE NOT USING PERHAPS. NO, THEY STILL ARE. THEY ARE USING, YES. AND WE, THEY WOULD WANT ONE, LIKE WHAT JUVENILE HAS. AND THE, THE NEXT QUESTION I HAD WAS ANYBODY, UH, LOOK INTO WHETHER THE CITY ALLOWS THOSE OR NOT. SO MARK, UM, WE DIDN'T ASK WHEN WE PUT IT. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. . SO I BET THAT'LL FALL UNDER NEEDING MORE INFORMATION. HI, MR. WALDEN. UH, UH, JOE HARRIS WANTED ONE. WE WERE GONNA PUT IT UP THERE IN THE PARKING LOT, BUT THE CITY ACTUALLY SETTING IT UP, WE, WE WERE ACTUALLY GONNA BUILD A NICE LAB AND PUT IT ON. YOU SEE IT? YEAH. BUT IT MAY BE BECAUSE WE'RE DOWNTOWN. THAT WAS, I, I'M GONNA NEED MORE INFORMATION BEFORE I, YOU JUST NEED, IF WE NEED PERMISSION FROM THE CITY, IS THAT IT? I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE NEED PERMISSION FROM THE CITY FOR THE ONE WE'VE ALREADY GOT THERE. PLUS THIS ONE PROBABLY. DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE OTHERWISE I WOULD SAY THAT THERE COULD BE. I MEAN, I, I THINK PROBABLY ON OUR TEMPORARY, YOU KNOW, AT BETHEL ROAD PERHAPS, SO WHAT THEY STORE THERE IS, IS A LOT OF THEIR STUFF AND EQUIPMENT FOR, UM, LIKE THEIR EGG INCUBATORS AND A LOT OF THAT STUFF. AND ALSO A LOT OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT THEY TAKE WITH THEM TO SHOWS THAT WITH THE KIDS. YEAH. I'M NOT QUESTIONING THE NEED FOR IT, I'M JUST QUESTIONING WHETHER IT'S PER PERMISSIBLE. YEP. RIGHT. SO SHE DID GET, IT COULD BE AT ANOTHER LOCATION, IS THE REASON I'M SAYING, SAY FOR EXAMPLE, BETHEL ROAD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, RIGHT? YEP. I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT. DOES THE CITY REQUIRE SOME TYPE OF PERMIT FOR AN OUTDOOR STORAGE BUILDING OR JUST A TEMPORARY STORAGE? I HAD A RECOLLECTION OF THIS REQUEST BACK HERE THAT WAS, WAS NOT ALLOWED. I THINK OUR, DUE TO THE LOCATION WE'RE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, SO THEY'RE A LITTLE MORE, IT MAY BE DIFFERENT BECAUSE THEY'RE UP ON THAT HILL AND IT'S KIND OF OUT MM-HMM . OUTSIDE. SO, ALL RIGHT. SO I BET IF WE GO TO EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT BACK ON PAGE ONE, WE'VE GOT EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT HERE, AND WE COULD TALK ABOUT THESE, THESE FEW ITEMS THAT HE HAS HERE AND, UH, HANDLE THOSE REAL QUICK. JASON, A PX 8,500 RADIO, I APPROVED YOUR VEHICLE. OKAY. THE, THAT'S JUST THE RADIO TO GO IN THAT VEHICLE, BECAUSE MY ASSUMPTION IS I'M GONNA TURN OVER THIS TAHOE TO ANOTHER DEPARTMENT, UM, AND I'LL NEED A, A RADIO, UM, FOR THAT TRUCK. UM, SO IT'S NOT RADIO CRI RADIO THAT'S IN THE TRUCK CURRENTLY, OR I'LL HAVE TO CHECK THAT BECAUSE IT PROBABLY IS. SO IT HAS TO TRANSFER. [01:30:01] AND THEN WHOEVER GETS THE TITLE WOULD HAVE C ILL HAVE WELL, THAT'S THE GRANT. GRANT. THAT'S THE GRANT THAT I HAVE. WE HAVE CLARIFIED BEFORE WE ASK THEM. AND IT'S SPECIFICALLY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, NOT OTHER ENFORCEMENT. OKAY. I'LL HAVE, I'LL HAVE TO CHECK THAT COMMISSIONER. I DUNNO. SO IN THAT CASE, IF THAT WERE THE CASE, THEN WE WOULD SWAP RADIOS AND WHERE THE VEHICLE GOES, THEY WOULD HAVE TO FOND A RADIO OUT OF DIFFERENT SOURCE. YES, SIR. THAT, THAT THE SITUATION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO PROBABLY, UM, PROBABLY WHAT YOU MAY NEED IS THE SWAP THE TRANSFER FROM VEHICLE INSTEAD OF THE RADIO HERE. AND THEN SOMEBODY ELSE IS GONNA NEED TO SPEND MONEY FROM THERE. WHOEVER GETS THE VEHICLE IS PROBABLY GONNA NEED TO SPEND MONEY TO GET A RADIO. RIGHT. SO THERE NEEDS TO BE A LOT. IT'S GONNA BE FUND 10, EITHER, EITHER WAY, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME MONEY THERE. YES. OR TRANSFERRING IT FROM ONE VEHICLE TO THE NEXT, BUT PROBABLY NOT FOR BUYING ANOTHER RADIO. RIGHT. IS THAT FAIR? YES, SIR. SO YOU WANNA WORK ON THAT AND COME BACK TO US? OR CAN SOMEBODY PULL THAT NUMBER? DID WE HAVE A LINE ITEM OVER HERE? YEAH, WE DID. THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. I WAS LOOKING WELL OVER WHERE FROM, FROM, UH, SOMEWHERE SWAP SOMEWHERE IN THE WE DID. SO THERE'S TWO DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE ASKING FOR THAT VEHICLE? NO, NO, NO. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE HAD A LINE ITEM EARLIER. YEAH. THAT PERTAINED TO TRANSFERRING RADIO FROM ONE VEHICLE TO THE OTHER BACK HERE. OH, THE COST OF THAT BACK HERE. THE COST. OH, THIS WAS AT THAT LPR SYSTEM WAS 22. YEAH, THERE MAY BE ONE. I WAS THINKING I THINK THAT'S THE LAST PLATE. YEAH, I KNOW THAT THERE WAS, I THOUGHT THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE, BUT MAYBE NOT. THERE WAS 1,514. IF WE HAD AN ESTIMATE, WE'D PROBABLY ADD THAT ONTO THE VEHICLE. OUTFITTING AND COSTS, UM, MAYBE 1200 OR SOMETHING. THAT SEEMS RIGHT. 1200 OR SOMETHING. RIGHT. IT'S A MOBILE, SO I BET YOU WE CAN SKIP THAT. A PX 8,500 RADIO HERE AND DOWN ON VEHICLE OUTFITTING AND STRIPING. WE CAN MAKE THAT NUMBER 9,000 INSTEAD AND MAKE THAT RADIO, SWAP A PART OF THE, UH, MAKE THAT 9,000 PART OF THE OUTFITTING AND STRIPING. SO I'M GONNA MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE, UH, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, UH, VEHICLE OUTFITTING AND STRIPING, UH, AND RADIO SWAP FOR A TOTAL OF $9,000. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER WAL SECOND BY COMMISSIONER. HOLD ANY, EXCUSE ME, ANY OTHER STATUTE ALL IN FAVOR MIGHT COST? OH, I CAN'T ASK. WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS ASSET NUMBER ON IT OR, OKAY. SO WE'RE GONNA HOLD OFF ON APPROVING THE RADIO NO MATTER WHERE IT GOES. YES. OKAY. DEPENDING ON WHERE IT GOES. OKAY. WE'LL, WE'LL FIGURE THAT OUT WHEN WE GET THERE. BUT WE'RE JUST GONNA PAY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, UH, ALLOCATE, UH, THE VEHICLE OUTFITTING WITH FOR A TOTAL OF $9,000 TO INCLUDE THE SWAPPING OF THE RADIO. OKAY. OKAY. YEP. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I'M SEEING WITH EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT ON IT. SO DO YOU WANNA JUMP DOWN TO CONSTABLES OR DO BUILDING GROUNDS? UM, WE, WE HAVE, UH, STICKING WITH THE LAW ENFORCEMENT DEAL, I THINK IT WOULD BE PRUDENT TO GO DOWN TO THE CONSTABLES SINCE WE HAVE THOSE FOLKS HERE. A COUPLE OF THOSE FOLKS HERE. CONSTABLE NUMBER ONE, UH, REQUESTING FIVE IN-CAR RADIOS, FIVE IN-CAR RADIOS FOR A TOTAL OF 8357.91 EACH TOTAL OF 41,000 789 55. UH, WE HAVE THE CONSTABLE HERE. I PROBABLY WON'T SPEAK TO THAT. YES, SIR. AT THIS TIME, WE ARE USING HANDHELDS IN THE ADAPTERS OR COURT DOCUMENTATION WISE. THOSE DO NOT HAVE THE WATTAGE AND THE POWER THAT WE NEED IN NORTHEAST AND FAR NORTHWEST CORNERS THIS COUNTY TO GET OUT. MY GUYS ARE CONSTANTLY, RADIO DOES NOT WORK. SO WE'LL BE TAKING THE HANDHELDS THAT ARE IN THERE, USING THEM ON OUR BODIES AS EVERYBODY ELSE DOES, AND REQUESTING PERMANENT RADIOS IN OUR CARS. SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO ASK THIS BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE ONE OF FOUR CONSTABLES. YES, SIR. I GUESS I HAVE TO ASK WHERE EVERYBODY ELSE IS BECAUSE LIKE SOME OTHER THINGS WE SAY, WELL, WE'VE ALREADY GOT 'EM, OR WE APPROVE THESE, THEN WE'RE APPROVE, WE'RE GOING TO LOCK OURSELVES INTO APPROVING THEM FOR ALL FOUR CONSTABLES. SO I JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE ANYBODY ELSE IS. COULD JOE OR RAY, COULD Y'ALL ADDRESS THAT? NO. I, WE, SOME OF OUR VEHICLES [01:35:01] HAVE THE, WE, WE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO BE FAIR AND TRYING TO BE UNIFORM IS ALL I'M THE REASON I'M ASKING THAT QUESTION, TRYING TO, SOME OF OUR VEHICLES HAVE THE NCAR, SOME OF 'EM HAVE THE DOCKING STATIONS LIKE THE CID AND SHERIFF'S OFFICE USES IN OUR AREA. WE HAVE FOUND THE DOCKING STATIONS WORK WELL FOR US. UM, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, VERY LITTLE, UH, INTERRUPTION FOR US. SO THOSE TEND TO WORK BETTER FOR US. THEREFORE, IT SAVES A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY. THEIR AREA HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE BAD AREA OF THE COUNTY. I WOULD SAY THAT THEY PROBABLY NEED THE INCAR VERSUS THE DOCKING STATIONS. YOU, YOU, YOU UNDERSTAND WHY I'M ASKING THOUGH, BECAUSE YES, SIR. I UNDERSTAND TOTALLY. IN, IN THE, IN, IN TIMES IN THE PAST. UNDERSTAND WE, WE APPROVED SOMETHING AND THEN LO AND BEHOLD, AND, AND I WELL, YOU APPROVED THIS YESTERDAY, THEREFORE YOU NEED TO APPROVE IT FROM ME TOMORROW. TOMORROW. WELL, NOT WHEN I ORIGINALLY STARTED BUYING NEW RADIOS WHEN I WENT INTO THE OFFICE, THIS IS THE DIRECTION I WAS GUIDING. OKAY. AND I WAS THE GUY WHO DRAWN OR IT NEVER WOULD'VE HAPPENED. YEP. SO WHICH ITEM ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE? WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOUR FIVE RADIOS. $41,789 55 CENTS. I THOUGHT WE ALREADY THOUGHT WE ALREADY DID THAT. NO, SIR. OH, THE ONE AND ABOVE. THE ONE ABOVE THE ONE. I GOT IT. YEAH. I WAS ONLY THE ONE BELOW IT. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER CONLEY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND TAKE BY COMMISSIONER? HOLD ANY OF THE DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR. CURIOUS. AND THAT'S GONNA HELP Y'ALL A LOT. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. OKAY. BECAUSE LIKE I SAY, WE'RE RUNNING FROM PARK COUNTY, YOU KNOW, PRECINCT ONE PLUM DOWN IN BOTTOM SIDE OF PRECINCT FLOOR IN OUR ENVIRONMENTAL. SO WE'RE ALL OVER THE EAST SIDE OF THE COUNTY. YEAH. SO, THANK YOU GENTLEMEN. I DON'T THINK WE'RE DONE YET. WELL, THE DRONE, HE HAS THE DRONE AND THAT'S IT FOR HIM. SO I DO HAVE AN UPDATED NUMBER FOR THE TASERS AND THE BODY CAMS. OKAY. THAT'LL BE ON THE UPDATE YOU'RE GONNA SEND US, RIGHT? I'M SORRY? THAT'S GONNA BE ON THE UPDATE YOU'RE GONNA GIVE US LATER ON. I CAN GIVE YOU THAT, THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT RIGHT NOW? NO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BODY CAMS AND THE TASERS THAT WE APPROVED. YEP. SO IF YOU GO PREVIOUS, GO TO, IF REDUCING IT TO FOUR WOULD BE $6,330 AND 66 CENTS FOR THE BODY CAMERAS. AND THEN THE TASERS WOULD BE 3000 847 8. ALL RIGHT. SINCE THE NEXT ITEM ON THIS IS A DRONE, I'D LIKE TO BRIEF THE COURT QUICKLY YEAH. ON ALL DRONE RELATED ITEMS. I WOULD REQUEST THAT WE NOT TAKE ANY ACTION ON ANYTHING RELATED TO A DRONE COMMITTEE MET YESTERDAY. I THINK WE MADE SOME GOOD PROGRESS. WE'VE GOT A GOOD MAP GOING FORWARD. WE WILL HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS BACK TO COURT, COURT FOR COURT TO APPROVE. WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS, TENTATIVELY WE EARMARK SOME FUNDS IN THE CONTINGENCY PORTION OF THE BOND OF, OF THE, UH, NEW BUDGET THAT DRONES COULD BE PURCHASED FROM SUBJECT TO COURT'S APPROVAL AFTER WE'VE GOT OUR PROCEDURES AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF IN PLACE. BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD TAKE ACTION RIGHT NOW ON ANYTHING DRONE RELATED. ALL RIGHT? OKAY. SOUNDS, SOUNDS GOOD. ALRIGHT. NOW WE'RE TO CONSTABLE TWO. YEAH. IS HE HERE? OH, YEAH. CLARIFY THAT, SIR. HE'S HERE. THE FIRST ITEM IS A, A VEHICLE, UH, 60,000. AND I, I THINK FROM HEARING EARLIER THAT ON THIS POTENTIAL SWAP DEAL, YOU'RE ONE OF THE POTENTIAL PLAYERS IN THE VEHICLE SWAP FROM EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. YES, SIR. AND SO I, I THINK WHAT WE DISCUSSED ON THAT, UM, WAS IF THERE'S MORE THAN ONE PERSON THAT WAS INTERESTED IN THAT VEHICLE, AND POTENTIALLY THERE HAD BEEN OTHERS, AND, AND SHERIFF'S OFFICE SAID THAT THEY, THEY'RE OUT, BUT, UH, UH, WHAT WE WERE GOING TO ASK THEM TO DO, BECAUSE YOUR OFFICE, AND I THINK CONSTABLE THREE ARE INTERESTED IN THIS VEHICLE THAT YOU JUST SUBMIT TO COURT UP MM-HMM . A JUSTIFICATION OF WHY YOU NEED IT AND WHAT YOU DO WITH IT. AND, UH, SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. UH, WE'LL GIVE THAT SAME NOTICE TO, UH, I DO HAVE THE OKAY. JUST A LETTER OF, OF WHY YOU, WHAT YOU DO WITH IT, WHY YOU NEED IT, HOW YOU WOULD UTILIZE THAT VEHICLE. AND, UH, THEN YEAH, IF YOU WANT TO, IF YOU WANNA HOLD OFF, TAKE NO ACTION ON MINE. THAT'S TOTALLY FINE. YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE VEHICLES SWAPPED THERE. HOW MANY VEHICLES DOES CONSTABLE TWO HAVE AT THIS MOMENT? WE HAVE SEVEN TOTAL. WHY DO YOU NEED SEVEN? SO LAST YEAR, I BELIEVE IT WAS LAST YEAR THAT WE, FOR THE TRANSPORTING, WE BOUGHT [01:40:01] SOME NEW VEHICLES. I'LL DO THAT. YEAH. UH, AT THE TIME THEY, THE TAHOE WAS IN QUESTION, SO WE HAD TO GO WITH, WITH PICKUPS. I'VE HAD THE HARDEST TIME ON CAGES IN THE PICKUPS. THAT'S WHY MY VEHICLES ARE STILL NOT COMPLETELY OUTFITTED, UM, BECAUSE OF THE CAGE ISSUE IN THE VE UH, THE TRUCK. AND SO WHEN THIS SITUATION CAME UP, UM, IT WAS, IT WAS A WAY FOR US TO UTILIZE A VEHICLE THAT'S ALREADY THERE. UM, I REMEMBER YOU NOW THAT Y'ALL TRANSPORT. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. TAKE AROUND. YEAH. IT'S, AND WE HAVE, WE HAVE TWO TAHOES CURRENTLY, UM, THAT WE USE FOR TRANSPORTS. RIGHT. UM, ONE OF THEM, UM, ONE OF, WELL, I, I TAKE THAT BACK. WE HAVE THREE CURRENTLY. ONE OF THEM IS, IS ACTUALLY FIXING TO GO TO SURPLUS, UH, BECAUSE THE COST OF IT IS JUST, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE MORE THAN WHAT THE VEHICLE'S WORTH. SO, UM, YOU'RE USING ALL SEVEN OF THEM BE HERE? YES, SIR. I DO. SO, SO THE MONEY FOR OUTFITTING THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR, I GUESS THAT'S MONEY THAT WILL ROLL OVER TO NEXT YEAR. THAT WOULD BE MY REQUEST COMPLETED. THAT IF, IF, IF I DON'T GET IT COMPLETE, I'M ON THE LIST. MM-HMM . IT'S JUST A MATTER OF GETTING PARTS AND WELL, AND SCHEDULING, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY'RE DOING TWO TO THREE VEHICLES VERSUS 20 VEHICLES, THEY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE 20 VEHICLE TAKES MORE PRECEDENT THAN THE TWO VEHICLES. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT JUST A MINUTE. AND THE REASON IS, WE, YOU TOLD US BEFORE, BUT THERE'S PROBABLY PEOPLE LISTENING THAT DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YES, SIR. WHY IT WOULD TAKE SO LONG OR WHAT, WHAT'S THE STATUS OF SOMEBODY, HOW MANY COMPANIES ARE THERE WHO DOES THIS KIND OF WORK? AND, UM, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU CAN GO OUT OUT, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU CAN GO DOWN HERE TO THE A CAR DEALER OR SOMEBODY ELSE TO GET THAT DONE. YES. SO PEOPLE CAN'T HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IF YOU COME UP TO THE, TO THE FRONT HERE. SO IT'S EITHER ON A, SO THE VENDOR THAT WE USE WOULD HAVE TO BE A CO-OP CONTRACT OR SOMEONE WE'VE GOT HAVE AN IN-HOUSE BID WITH MM-HMM . WE ARE LIMITED WITH, WHAT IS THERE? THREE? I BELIEVE TOTAL THREE. I HAVE TRIED THE STATE OF TEXAS. I HAVE TRIED ALL THREE. UM, I'VE WAITED OVER A YEAR FROM ONE COMPANY. UM, AND WE'RE STILL, WE'VE MOVED BACK TO THE, TO THE COMPANY THAT DOES PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE ELSE'S. BUT LIKE I SAID, WITH ONLY A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF VEHICLES, WE GET, WE'RE BEHIND, SHOVED DOWN THE LIST A LITTLE BIT. DALLAS PD, TARRANT COUNTY, HARRIS COUNTY, ALL OF THOSE LARGE ENTITIES GET PREFERENCE OVER. AND SO THE COMPANY THAT WE'RE USING, THAT YOU'RE USING, WHERE IS THAT COMPANY? IS IT HERE IN THE METRO? ITS METRO. ITS IN ARGYLE. YEAH. IN ARGYLE. MM-HMM . IT'S THE DEFENDER SUPPLY. THEY'RE THE OKAY. THE CLOSEST. YEP. WITH THE LARGEST YEP. FACILITY. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT FOR ANYBODY THAT MIGHT BE LISTENING HERE. ABSOLUTELY. BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME THAT IF THERE'S A NEED LIKE THIS, IF THERE'S SOMEBODY ELSE THAT DOESN'T STEP UP AND FILL THAT VOID THERE, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY THERE. 'CAUSE WELL, WHAT'S HAPPENED IS OPPORTUNITY ONE COMPANY, OR YOU HAVE SEVERAL COMPANIES AND ONE COMPANY, IF THAT'S THEIR COMPETITION, THEY BUY 'EM OUT. MM-HMM . AND THEN THEY ABSORB IT. AND SO THEN THERE'S ONE GIGANTIC COMPANY THAT THAT DOES EVERYBODY. I MEAN, YOU GOT, LIKE, THEY'RE DOING CARS FROM HOUSTON, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SHIPPING THEIR CARS FROM HOUSTON UP HERE. MM-HMM . GETTING THEM DONE. UM, HOW THAT'S MORE COST EFFECTIVE? I DON'T KNOW. BUT THAT'S WHAT'S HAP THAT'S KIND OF WHAT HAPPENS. WE HAVE TO SOMEBODY THAT'S IN THIS CO-OP YEAH. WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO GET ANOTHER APPROVED VENDOR SIGNED UP. WELL, THEY HAVE TO BE, THEY HAVE HAD TO HAVE GONE THROUGH THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS AND BEEN AWARDED A CONTRACT MM-HMM . AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE COULD PUT OUT OUR OWN BID, BUT IT'S GONNA BE ONE OF THEM THAT'S GONNA, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT THAT MANY BUSINESSES, WHETHER THEY'RE ON A CO-OP OR CONTRACT, IT'S JUST VERY LIMITED UNLESS THE COUNTY WOULD LIKE TO ADD A OUTFITTING PERSON, PERSON TO THEIR PRECINCT. AND SO IF YOU DO THAT, THEN, THEN YOU'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU'RE AT A DISADVANTAGE WHEN YOU'RE BUYING A FEW OF WHATEVER COMPARED WITH THAT COMPANY WHO'S BUYING THOUSANDS OF WHATEVER IT IS, YOU DO HAVE THE OPTION TO PURCHASE A VEHICLE COMPLETELY OUTFITTED. UM, AND THAT'S FROM LIGHT BARS, CAGES, RADARS, THE ENTIRE THING. BUT, AND IT'S FROM THAT COMPANY, IT'S NOT GONNA BE THE SAME BECAUSE IT YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN THAT BECAUSE IT, LIKE I SAID, IF SOMEBODY'S PAYING ATTENTION, LISTEN TO WHAT WE'RE SAYING THERE. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT JUST REALLY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. YES, SIR. YEAH. AND THIS, TO ME, WHEN THIS SITUATION CAME UP, THIS WOULD BE THE, UH, QUICKEST, FASTEST WAY FOR US TO, TO MEET THE NEED THAT WE NEED MM-HMM . UM, AND THEN STILL UTILIZE WHAT THE COUNTY ACTUALLY HAS VERSUS, YOU KNOW, SPENDING AN EXTRA 60,000 HERE AND 60,000 THERE. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD UTILIZE. I MEAN, IN REGARDS TO THE FIRE MARSHAL VEHICLE, CORRECT? YES. YEP. UH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, I THINK IT HAS WHAT, 80, 80,000 MILES? YES, SIR. 80,000 MILES. [01:45:01] THE ONE I'M DRIVING CURRENTLY HAS 230,000 MM-HMM . UM, NOW THE MOST OF THOSE ARE HIGHWAY MILES, SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT IF I CAN GET ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED THOUSAND OUT OF IT, WHY NOT DO IT? SAVE A LITTLE MONEY. SEND THE, SEND THE LETTER. I DID. OKAY. I THINK I SENT, ALL RIGHT. I THINK I SENT TWO LETTERS, I THINK ALL, ALL RIGHT. SO THAT, THAT SKIPS OVER THE VEHICLE AND THE VEHICLE OUTFITTING FOR NOW. IT TAKES US TO CONSTABLE TWO AND THE DRONES, AND I THINK WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE DRONES THERE. WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. WE, HIS BALLISTIC SHIELD, WE HAVE NOT DISCUSSED THAT. YEAH, THAT'S AFTER DRONE 2000 AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF THE FIRST PAGE. YEAH, I WAS, I WAS HANDLING THE DRONES, WHICH WERE THE NEXT TWO. OH, OKAY. SORRY. SO THEY WILL GO TO THE DRONE COMMITTEE AND I THINK THE, THE, THE COMMISSIONER HOLT HAD THE, YOU KNOW, GOOD IDEA THERE THAT WE'RE GOING TO INCLUDE MONEY IN THE, UH, CONTINGENCY TO MANAGE THE DRONES MOVING FORWARD HERE, AND WE CAN HANDLE THAT. BUT WE'VE GOT A BALLISTIC SHIELD HERE AT 2000. WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THAT? AND WHAT IS IT? UH, THAT'S THE SAME SHIELD THAT EVERY, EVERY OTHER ENTITY'S USING. IT'S JUST FOR US, WHEN WE DO EVICTIONS, SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO STAND AT THE DOORWAY TO DRILL LOCKS, STUFF LIKE THAT. UM, I MEAN, THIS IS GREAT, BUT DO YOU HAVE A SHIELD? A SHIELD NOW? WE CURRENTLY DO NOT. SO WE REQUESTED ONE LAST YEAR, BUT WHEN WE PURCHASED OUR VEST, UM, THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY THERE THAT I HAD TO SPEND ON THE VEST. AND SO IT KNOCKED IT DOWN, UM, TO WHERE I COULDN'T PURCHASE THE SHIELD. SO WHATEVER MONEY'S IN MY BUDGET CURRENTLY THAT WAS ALLOCATED FOR THE SHIELD IS STILL THERE. SO IT WILL COME BACK. AND SO THAT, YOU KNOW, I COULDN'T TELL YOU EXACT NUMBER. I'D HAVE TO GET IT. UM, BUT IT, ALL OF THAT MONEY'S GONNA COME BACK ANYWAY. SO I, I GUESS THE, ASK YOU THE SAME QUESTION HERE. WERE WE BUYING ONE OF THESE OR ARE WE BUYING ONE FOR EVERYBODY WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE? IF I CAN GET ONE THIS YEAR AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN, I WAS TALKING ABOUT OTHER DEPARTMENTS, I CAN'T, YOU CAN DO SIMILAR STUFF FROM YOU. THAT'S WHY I, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T ASK FOR 'EM. I UNDERSTAND. BUT THEY MAY COME AND ASK, BUT IT'S TOO LATE. I'M JUST TRYING TO PREVENT THOSE THINGS AND, AND SAY, WELL, GOSH, YOU BOUGHT ONE FOR, FOR THIS ONE. YES. I BELIEVE WE'VE ALREADY ENDED OUR REQUEST TIMEFRAME. IT'S TOO LATE FOR THAT. WE BOUGHT SHIELD ONE. THESE SHIELDS FOR, OR CONSTABLE THREE, I BELIEVE THEY HAVE A COUPLE SHIELDS ALREADY. OKAY. SO, AND YOU KNOW, AND WE HAVE UTILIZED THEIR SHIELD IN THE PAST. YEAH. ON, ON CERTAIN. I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT ALL BASES COVERED HERE. ABSOLUTELY. AND MAKING SURE EVERYTHING IS FINE. SO, OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HOLT, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CONLEY. THE DISCUSSION BASE. WELL, YEAH. PRECINCT ONE HAS ONE ALREADY. OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THAT CURIOUS ABOUT, YEAH, AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, I, I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR ANYBODY ELSE. I, I PUT IN WHAT I REQUESTED FOR AND THAT'S IT. I GET IT. JUST YOU UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION THAT WE'VE PREVIOUSLY BEEN PLACED IN REGARDING THAT. WELL, SINCE CONSTABLE THREE'S NOT HERE, HE, HE'S NOT GONNA GET NOTHING TODAY. FOUR, I THINK, I THINK ON, ON CONSTABLE THREE THERE, THEY'RE ALSO ONE WHO HAS, HAS REQUESTED SOMETHING, UH, REQUESTED THIS VEHICLE MM-HMM . AND SO WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON THAT. AND THAT LETS US BYPASS THAT AS FAR AS THE, UH, BULLETPROOF VEST REPLACEMENTS. UM, IS THAT A FAIR NUMBER? SO I WENT BACK, THEY ORIGINALLY HAD BUT REQUESTED $6,000. AND LIKE I HAD MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING OF, UH, THE SESSION THAT I WENT THROUGH AND UNIFORM ACROSS THE BOARD, $1,750 FOR EACH VEST FOR EACH OF THE DEPARTMENTS THAT REQUESTED THEM. THESE ARE REPLACEMENT VESTS? YES, THEY ARE. OKAY. MOTION TO COMMISSIONER WALDEN SECOND. COMMISSIONER HOLT, ANY OF THE DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, KIM? JUST, JUST IN THE INTEREST OF MAKING SURE THAT I'M DOTTING MY I'S AND CROSSING MY T'S. THIS 2025 CHEVY HERE DOES NOT PERTAIN TO THE NEW DEPUTY THAT THEY WANT TO HIRE FOR ENVIRONMENTAL. THAT IS CORRECT. THIS IS SEPARATE. PERFECT. THANK YOU. THIS WOULD BE NOT NECESSARY IF THEY GOT THE FIRE MARSHAL TAHOE. YES, MA'AM. RIGHT. THANK. SO THE OTHER ITEM, UH, FROM THREE THAT I'M SEEING HERE, CONSTABLE THREE IS THE MOTOR ROT RADIO REPLACEMENTS. SO WE DON'T HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF THAT. SO THAT WOULD SAY THAT WE WOULD HOLD, NEED MORE INFORMATION AT THIS POINT. AND THE VEHICLE OUTFITTING THERE IS THE NEXT ONE. AND THAT ALSO WOULD GO ALONG WITH THE VEHICLE AND CORRECT DISCUSSION OF THE AMOUNT THERE FOR THAT, WHICH COULD TAKE US BACK OVER HERE, I GUESS TO, SO 5 43, THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT OF ITEMS FOR 5 43 YEAH. THAT THE PREVIOUS FIRE MARSHAL REQUESTED. [01:50:01] AND I JUST HOLD ALL THOSE. UH, I WOULD SAY YES FOR NOW. OKAY. AND, BUT, BUT WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT STUFF OVER HERE THAT DIDN'T GET MANAGED FROM COUNTY ATTORNEY. MM-HMM . AND CERTAINLY WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT BUILDING AND GROUNDS YET. RIGHT. SO IF WE GO BACK TO THE FRONT PAGE THERE, WE DID SOME OF THE THINGS HERE. UH, WE DIDN'T DO DISTRICT CLERK, WE DIDN'T DO JP THREE ON THEIR REQUEST. SO WE CAN START, CAN I ASK, CAN I ASK WHAT MIGHT BE A SILLY QUESTION, BUT ON THIS FIRE MARSHAL, I KNOW THAT WE'RE WAITING ON IT. MM-HMM . BUT THERE'S SHOTGUNS AND TACTICAL HELMETS. YEAH. SO CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN THAT TO ME? NOT REALLY. OKAY. SO I, I HAVE THE SAME, I HAVE THE SAME THING. CAN WE JUST THROW, THROW A CONTINGENCY LINE TOGETHER IF WE NEED TO IGNORE THIS STUFF? MM-HMM . ON AN ITEM BY ITEM BASIS AND INSTEAD GIVE HIM A SET CONT OR, OR DO THAT SAFEMENT LIKE BRIANNA. WOULD THAT WORK IF WE'RE RUNNING AT A OUT A TIME TO DO LINES PULLED FROM CONTINGENCY AFTER THE FACT? LIKE HAVE THE LINES OPEN BUT ZERO AND THEN CONTINGENCY THEM. ADJUST. YES. THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. OKAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO IF WE CAN GO BACK TO, I MEAN, PROBABLY NEED TO GO BACK TO THE TOP HERE AND, AND GO TO COUNTY CLERK. YEP. OKAY. UM, SHE'S ASKED FOR CHAIRS, CHAIRS, TWO CHAIRS FOR CIVIL AND TWO FOR CRIMINAL MOTION MADE BY MR. WALDEN. FOR EACH OF THOSE SECOND BY MR. HAR END SESSION, I GOT JUST, HOW HIGH ARE THOSE BACKS ON THOSE CHAIRS? REALLY HIGH. IT'S LIKE A THRONE. SO YOU CAN LEAN BACK AND TAKE A NAP, NAP, NAP TIME CHAIRS, ALL THOSE. SO THEN, THEN, UH, THEN THAT TAKES US THEN TO CCL TWO. OH, HOLD ON. WE, WE STILL HAVE THE VOTE. BE COMPLETE ON, PASS THIS BY. OH, THANK YOU. UH, CCL TWO METAL DETECTOR WAND. THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE COURTHOUSE SECURITY, DOES IT? NOT QUITE SURE. BAILIFF. THEY'RE BAILIFF, I'M SURE. 'CAUSE THAT'S SEPARATE FROM WHAT THEY'VE REQUESTED FOR. IT DOES. YES. IT, IT DOES COURTHOUSE SECURITY. DO THEY HAVE A WAND ALREADY? I THINK THEY DO. SO WAIT, CCL TWO PLACE IS HERE, OR AT THE ANNEX? OH YEAH. NO, CCL TWO IS HERE, BUT WE'RE ALREADY GOING THROUGH METAL DETECTOR HERE. DOES, DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHY THAT DOES NOT SUFFICE? NO. IN CASEY, HE'S NOT HERE. I DON'T KNOW. SO I BET YOU, I BET YOU WE COULD HOLD OFF ON THAT. AND, AND THE, THE, THE BULLETIN BOARD, I THINK WE'D NEED INFORMATION REGARDING THAT. SO ON THE BULLETIN BOARD, UM, THEY HAD A THOUSAND DOLLARS, UM, REQUESTED FOR THAT. THIS IS A VERY, UH, IT'S A CONSIDERABLE BULLETIN BOARD THAT'S GOT THE GLASS ENCLOSED DOORS FOR HER TO POST ALL OF THEIR DOCKET INFORMATION AND ALL THAT STUFF THAT SHE HAS. IT'S NECESSARY. SHE, IT'S REPLACING THE ONE THAT'S ALREADY EXISTING UP THERE. AND SHE SENT ME THE QUOTE AND IT WAS FOR A LITTLE OVER, IT'S ABOUT SEVEN 30. SO, OKAY. I I, THE REASON I WAS ASKING IS IF IT WAS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WAS GONNA BE INSTALLED, IF IT WAS PERMISSIBLE UNDER THE, UNDER THE REGULATIONS. BUT APPARENTLY IF IT'S JUST REPLACING ONE PARTY THERE, IT'S REPLACING EXISTING, THEN PROBABLY IT'S OKAY. UNDER THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION RULES MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER HOLT SAYING, WITH COMMISSIONER HALE. FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR, TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS FOR THE BULLETIN BOARD ONLY. MY MOTION IS YES. PASS THIS MEMO VOTE. SO WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED THE NEXT TWO, THEN WE'RE DOWN TO DISTRICT CLERK FOR CHAIRS OR DESK. SHE'S ANTICIPATING EITHER OR. UM, SO CHAIRS, YOU KNOW, ARE KIND SOMETIMES COME AND GO THROUGH SURPLUS THAT SHE SAID SHE POSSIBLY COULD USE. MAYBE. BUT SHE HAS A DESK THAT IS, UM, ON ITS LAST LEG. ANY MOTION? WAL SECOND COMM, ANY OF THE SESSION? ALL IN FAVOR? CARRIE FAVO. SO THEN WE GO TO JP THREE FOR TWO DESKS FOR 4,000. IS THAT, IS THAT IN RELATION TO THE EXPANSION, MR. LONG? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. I THINK THAT FALL INTO THE CATEGORY OF NEEDING SOME MORE INFORMATION. MORE INFORMATION. OKAY. FOR ME. TAKES US TO COUNTY ATTORNEY. WE APPROVE THE VEHICLE. UM, THEN THEY'RE ASKING FOR VEHICLE OUTFITTING FOR $2,000. FOR THE, FOR THE VEHICLE. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION. [01:55:01] MOTION, EXCUSE ME. MOTIONS MADE BY COMMISSIONER HOLT, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HALE. ANY OF THE DISCUSSIONS ALL FAVOR? HUH? PARTITIONS FOR PROJECTS, TWO OF THEM COST $4,370. WOW. KIM, DO YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON THAT? SO, UM, THESE WOULD BE REPLACING THE PARTITIONS THAT CURRENTLY EXIST THAT ARE IN, UH, DUST FOR, UM, BUILDING GROUNDS. HAS TRIED TO PUT NEW FEED ON 'EM, OR WHEN THEY GET MOVED AND PUT IN STORAGE, THINGS DISAPPEAR. OR WHEN SOME OTHER DEPARTMENT USES THEM, PIECES AND PARTS OF THE EXISTING PARTITIONS HAVE DISAPPEARED. WHEN, WHEN YOU SAY PARTITION, THEY, WE USE THEM FOR THE ART DISPLAY THAT THEY HAVE EVERY YEAR FOR THE STUDENTS THAT THE, ALL THE ISDS PARTICIPATE IN. AND THEY SET THOSE UP AT THE ANNEX. THEY HAVE WHEELS ON 'EM. THE THE ONES THEY'RE ASKING FOR, I'M NOT SURE. I'M I'M IF THEY'LL HAVE THE WHEELS, I'M GUESSING THAT THEY HAVE FEET ON THEM THAT SLIDE IN FROM THE BOTTOM. MM-HMM . THE CURRENT ONES DO. HOW BIG ARE THEY? THEY'RE A, THEY'RE LIKE FOUR BY EIGHT, AREN'T THEY? YEAH. YEAH. THEY'RE PRETTY GOOD SIZE. WELL, THEY'RE TALLER THAN FOUR. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF THE HARDWARE THAT'S BEEN MISPLACE OVER THE YEARS AND THAT'S A REALLY CHEAP, THEY THEY WERE ORIGINAL TOO. LIKE, UM, UH, THE DEATH. WHAT ARE THE DEATH ? WHAT AM I LOOKING FOR? CUBICLES. CUBICLES. THE WALLS. THEY, AND THEY MODIFIED THEM INTO USING THEM AS PARTITIONS FOR THIS ART THING. THEY WERE NEVER IDEAL. THEY'RE KIND OF, I MEAN, SHAKY. IF YOU GET SOME TWO BY FOURS AND SOME WHEELS FROM HOME DEPOT AND PUT SOME PLYWOOD ON TOP. AM I MISSING SOMETHING? MR. LONG CAN HANDLE THAT. I, I THINK THEY ARE TRYING TO, RIGHT, LIKE WHENEVER THEY HAVE THE ARTWORK FOR THE KIDS MM-HMM. AT THE ANNEX AND STUFF. MM-HMM. IT HAS THE FABRIC TO PUT ALL THE ARTWORK ON. ARE YOU SAYING ADD THE TWO BY FOURS AND THE WHEELS TO THE EXISTING? NO, I'M JUST SAYING IF YOU GET PLYWOOD TWO BY FOURS WHEELS AND FABRIC, IT MIGHT BE THAT EXPENSIVE. DON'T 4,340? WELL, I DON'T, I DON'T, I KNOW LUMBER'S EXPENSIVE, BUT THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW. HE SOME CARPET FROM OUT. ANYBODY WANNA HAVE MORE DISPOSAL CENTERS? MORE INFORMATION OR, ONE THING THAT I DID WANNA SAY IS JAMIE JUST TEXTED AND SAID THAT THEY COULD BUY THE SCANNERS AND PARTITIONS AND REMOVE IT FROM NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET REQUEST. JAMIE, WHO, HOW ABOUT THAT? SO THE NEXT TWO ITEMS ARE OUT. SO THE THING WOULD ALSO BE, I'M SURE THEY DON'T HAVE IT IN THE LINE. SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE A BUDGET ADJUSTMENT. I DID ASK BECAUSE THE CUTOFF WAS ALREADY, WE'VE PASSED THAT, UM, TO BUY CAP ON CAP ITEMS. SHE SAID THEY COULD COME IN. SO CAN WE VARIANCE THAT. DO WHAT? CAN WE VARIANCE THAT SINCE WE'RE PAST THE CUTOFF? IT DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH SHE TALKS ME. SO I GUESS IF THE COURT WANTS TO ALLOW THAT, THEN WHAT WE CAN DO IS HAVE YOU GUYS AUTHORIZE ME TO OVERRIDE THE BUDGET? THEY WILL SUBMIT A BUDGET ADJUSTMENT CONTINGENT UPON, UM, CONFIRMATION THAT YES, THEY HAVE IT AND IT CAN BE RECEIVED BY NINE 30. ALRIGHT. NEXT ITEM IS THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY IS ASKING FOR A HAND CART AND TWO OFFICE CHAIRS. YES SIR. $575 MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER WALMAN. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HOLT. NO. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? DO I NEED STEP MY VOTE THE JOB APPROVE THE BUDGET ADJUSTMENT. NO, YOU DIDN'T EVEN KNOW. I THINK, THINK WE WANTED SOME MORE INFORMATION. IS THAT, THAT'S OKAY. OKAY. SO SURE. WE NEED, WE NEED THAT APPROVED RIGHT NOW. NO, I'M JUST SAYING I, WELL, THE SOONER THE BETTER SO THAT SHE CAN GET AN ORDER AND WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE IN BY SEPTEMBER 30TH. IF YOU WANT MORE INFORMATION, THAT'S FINE. I JUST WANTED NOT NOT AN AGENDA ITEM THOUGH. INFORMATION I RECEIVED APPROVING A BUDGET ADJUSTMENT IS NOT AN AGENDA ITEM FOR TODAY. IS IT? OH, JUST ASKING. RIGHT? I MEAN, CAN WE GET, IT'S PART OF THE CAP. SOMETIMES WE, I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT WOULD COME BEFORE, BACK BEFORE THE COURT IS GIVING ME THE AUTHORIZATION TO OVERRIDE. ALL RIGHT. SO I'LL, I'LL, UH, IF IT'S ACCEPTABLE THEN, THEN I WILL, UH, GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE AUDITOR TO OVERRIDE, UH, FOR THOSE TWO ITEMS. MOTION BE BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN. SECOND WITH COMMISSIONER. HA. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THE FAVOR, . AND THEN DID YOU VOTE ON THE D DA'S HAND CARTON CHAIRS? YES, WE APPROVED THAT. YOU DID? OKAY. . SO THEN WE'RE DOWN TO THE SECOND VEHICLE FOR BUILDING GROUNDS ON TOP . SO WE'VE APPROVED ONE. IT GOT A REALLY HIGH RATING. THE NEXT ONE IS SOMEWHERE DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD HERE AT A 3.2. AND, UH, I THINK NOBODY WAS, [02:00:04] WE WERE JUST WANTED MORE INFORMATION. WELL, AND YEAH, COMMISSIONER WAS PART OF IT THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT TRYING TO DETERMINE, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT VEHICLES COMING UP. BEFORE COMMISSIONER'S COURT, IF SOMEBODY HAD AN EXTRA VEHICLE OR IF THERE WAS A VEHICLE THAT WAS AVAILABLE, IS IT POSSIBLE TO WENT BY ONE YEAR WITH ONE TRACKS AND USE? LET ME TELL YOU WHAT, WE'VE GOT A USED VEHICLE FOR THE OTHER ONE. UH, WE, WE, UH, COMMANDEERED SINCE WE SEE THE VEHICLES COME IN, WE KIND OF COMMANDEERED A, UH, VEHICLE OF MALIBU FROM THE JUVENILE, UH, DEPARTMENT THAT WAS TOTALED OUT BY HELL. WE HAD TO PUT A NEW WINDSHIELD IN IT, BUT, UH, IT'S GOT, IT'S, I THINK IT'S GOT 130,000. YEAH, IT'S A GREAT VEHICLE. WE, YOU'RE USING THAT. SEE WE COULD WITHDRAW THE SECOND REQUEST FOR THE TRACKS AND USE THIS FOR ANOTHER YEAR. AND WE'VE DONE THE SAME THING WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT'S, UH, ANIMAL CONTROL, UH, VEHICLES. WHEN THEY COME UP. SO THEY'LL GENERALLY LAST US ABOUT A YEAR. SO WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT. THAT WAS THE REASON I, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN THE RECIPIENTS OF SOME OF THOSE VEHICLES AS WELL, THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES OR NOT VIABLE VEHICLES, BUT FOR DRIVING OUT TO MOW, FOR EXAMPLE, WORKED GREAT ONCE THE MECHANICS GET THE, YOU KNOW, THE GET 'EM WHERE THEY'LL PASS INSPECTION. SO THAT WAS WHAT THE DISCUSSION WE WANTED TO HAVE AND THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD WAS WHEN THESE VEHICLES COME UP, EVERYBODY DOESN'T KNOW ABOUT IT. AND, AND I'VE BEEN THE RECIPIENT OF SEVERAL OF THOSE BECAUSE WE TOLD THEM, HEY, IF ONE COMES UP, WE'RE INTERESTED IN IT, BUT WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS FORMALIZE THIS PROCESS AND MAKE SURE THAT THOSE VEHICLES GO TO THE GREATEST NEED. AND, AND SOMEBODY SAID, WELL, WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT? 'CAUSE YOU'VE BEEN GETTING THEM BECAUSE THAT'S NOT FAIR. UH, WHAT IS FAIR IS TO SAY, HEY, WE'VE GOT A A 19, I MEAN A 2013 FORD F-150 PICKUP HERE, THAT'S GOT THE NEEDS BRAKES ON IT AND, AND THE CHECK ENGINE LIGHTS ON AND SOMETHING'S WRONG. THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE WRONG WITH IT. YOU KNOW, WHO HAS THE GREATEST NEED? KINDA LIKE WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE TAHOE, THAT'S IN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. SO THEY WOULD COME UP, EVERYBODY WOULD KNOW ABOUT IT, AND THEN WHOEVER SAYS, I, I NEED THAT. AND HERE'S WHY. AND BROUGHT THE BEST CASE COULD BE DETERMINED BY COMMISSIONER'S COURT RATHER THAN JUST, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY BUILDING THE GROUNDS IS GONNA BE AT THE TOP , NOT THEY GET EYES ON IT, NOT US, BECAUSE THEY, THEY SEE IT FIRST AND THEY KNOW WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE. BUT IT'S TO GIVE EVERYBODY A FAIR SHOT AT THOSE VEHICLES THAT COME UP AS SURPLUS VEHICLES, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY CAN BE, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN BE EXCELLENT VEHICLES FOR WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. MM-HMM . THAT COULD BE EXCELLENT VEHICLES FOR WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT. 'CAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN DOING IT. SO THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY WE, UH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT. AND WE ALREADY KNEW THAT YOU HAD SOME, WE ALREADY, WE JUST DONE ANOTHER VEHICLE BECAUSE THE, ONE OF THE ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER'S TRUCKS THAT WE HAVE NOW, THE CAB, UH, BUSHINGS ARE OUT AND THE FRONT END WIRE, IT'S NOT WORTH PUTTING THE MONEY IN. SO WE WENT UP AND GOT ANOTHER ONE AND HAD A COOLANT LEAK AND AC, BUT MM-HMM . WE PUT IT IN OUR SHOP, WE FIXED IT, AND NOW IT'S, NOW IT'S, SO, SO YOU'RE ALREADY DOING IT. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. BUT WE NEED TO DO IT SO THAT COUNTYWIDE, ANYTIME THERE'S SOMETHING THAT COMES UP AS SURPLUS OR, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT MATTER, SEIZURES OR OTHER THINGS THAT EVERYBODY HAS A FAIR CHANCE AT IT. WHOEVER HAS THE GREATEST NEED FOR IT. AS DETERMINED BY COURT, I GUESS WE DO HAVE ONE TRUCK THAT'S REAL HIGH MILEAGE, NEAR 200,000. IT'S GOT THE UTILITY BED ON IT. MM-HMM . THAT'S GONNA, BUT WE'RE GONNA DO THAT NEXT YEAR. YEAH. WE REALLY NEED THAT UTILITY BED. RIGHT. SO TRUCK IS THAT, IT'S A CHEVROLET, UH, IT, IT'S NOT LISTED. IT IS AN, IT'S AN EXTENDED CAP. YEAH. IT'S GOT THE UTILITY BED ON IT. YES. YEAH. WE NEED A UTILITY BED. WE'LL SEE IT ALL AROUND HERE. SO WITH THAT SAID, YOU'RE GONNA UTILIZE ANOTHER VEHICLE OTHER THAN THE SECOND CHEVY TRAX? YES. WE'RE WILLING TO DO THAT. YES. OKAY. THAT MAKES IT PRETTY EASY. OKAY. THEN THE NEXT THING WE, OTHER, OTHER THINGS ON HERE. I SEE SMALL TOOLS, GROUNDS EQUIPMENT, AND THEN, UM, I THINK THOSE ARE PROBABLY THINGS THAT ARE CONSUMABLES TO, TO SOME DEGREE THAT, UH, ARE YOU STILL COMFORTABLE WITH THOSE TWO ITEMS? 'CAUSE WE'VE GOT ONE OF 'EM ON HERE AT 8,000. THE GROUNDS EQUIPMENT AT 8,000. THOSE ARE, THAT, THAT'S OUR NORMAL WEED. WEED EATERS, LAWNMOWERS, AND CORRECT THINGS OF THAT NATURE. I'M GONNA MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THOSE TWO ITEMS THERE. SMALL TOOLS AND GROUNDS, EQUIPMENT MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HA. AND THE DISCUSSION, ALL OF THAT. CAN WE DISCUSS OUR PERSONNEL? NO, NOT NOW. NOT NOW. AND WE'LL GET TO IT IN A MINUTE. OKAY. UH, WE'RE STILL ON, ON CAP AND NON CAP AND WE HAVE, UH, THE ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, CONTROL SYSTEM THAT, THAT WE TALKED ABOUT HERE. THAT, AND, AND THE BUDGETED AMOUNT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS $250,000. AND I THINK SOMEBODY SAID THAT MIGHT, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO CHANGE THAT NUMBER. I DON'T THINK SO. AND HERE'S [02:05:01] WHY. WE'VE BROUGHT, WE'VE GOT ONE BID TO THE EAST ANNEX. YOU KNOW, WE HAD A HUMIDITY ISSUE OUT THERE. WE FINALLY FIGURED THAT OUT. WE'VE GOT THAT FIXED AND WE NEED TO PUT AN ENVIRONMENTAL SYSTEM CONTROL SYSTEM ON THAT. WE DO HAVE A BID FOR THAT. AND I THINK IT'S IN THE $55,000 RANGE. THE ELECTIONS BUILDING ALSO NEEDS THE SAME THING. UM, THE, UH, TRAIN, UH, EQUIPMENT ON THE BUILDINGS OUTSIDE OF THE JAIL IS ANTIQUATED AND WE NEED TO REPLACE THOSE. TRAIN HAS BEEN VERY SLOW TO RESPONSE. WE HAD A WORK TICKET IN FOR OVER A MONTH TO GET TRAINING. SO WE'RE GOING A DIFFERENT DIRECTION WITH ANOTHER CONTRACTOR. SO KIM, THAT, HOW WOULD THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS WORK ON, UH, EXPANDING THAT ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROL SYSTEM AND POTENTIALLY REPLACING THE, THE WHOLE SYSTEM? SO FIRST OF ALL, WE WOULD LOOK FOR CO-OP CONTRACTS TO SEE IF THERE WAS SOMETHING ALREADY ESTABLISHED. AND THAT WOULD BE THE QUICKEST WAY, THE BEST PRICE THAT CONTRACTOR IS THEY ARE ON THE BOX. OKAY. SO THE REASON I'M, I'M ASKING IS IT, IT IS A PRETTY GOOD SIZE ITEM. YES. AS WE LOOK DOWN THE LIST HERE, A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS. UM, I THINK IT'S, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT QUESTIONING THE NEED FOR IT, BUT WE'RE QUESTIONING, UM, WHERE IT FALLS IN THE PRIORITY LIST FOR ONE THING. NO, THAT'S FINE. AND SECONDLY, WE'RE QUESTIONING, YOU KNOW, WHO THE BID'S COMING FROM, WHAT THE AMOUNT IS. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I DON'T THINK THAT ANYTHING ELSE OF THAT MAGNITUDE HAS COME THROUGH HERE THAT WE DIDN'T REALLY PUT AN EYE ON. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE EITHER SOMEBODY FROM THE COMPANY OR, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE MANAGE THIS. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY FEELINGS ABOUT HOW THIS SHOULD BE MANAGED? CAN WE BACK UP A COUPLE STEPS? 'CAUSE I'VE MISSED SURE. I, I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT ALL IS INVOLVED WITH THIS CONTROL SYSTEM. UH, YOU CAN KIND OF, IT'S, IT'S JAMES KNOWS TOO. YOU CAN SET UP A ENVIRONMENT CONTROL SYSTEM WITH ALL THE BELLS AND WHISTLES YOU WANT. MM-HMM . OKAY. JUST WHATEVER WE GO MID RANGE. WE CAN SIT DOWN AT, UH, IN OUR OFFICE, CHECK, SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. YOU KNOW, UH, THE BIGGEST ISSUE YOU HAVE WITH JUST THE WALL IS PEOPLE COME IN AND THEY'LL PUT IT DOWN TO 50 AND COME BACK MONDAY MORNING. YOU GOT A BLOCK OF ICE IN THAT. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS. AND I THINK THERE IS SOME, UH, IT'S A STATE REGULATION, A CERTAIN CERTAIN TEMPERATURE. YEAH. AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. WHAT WAS THAT? I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. THERE'S A REGULATION THAT WE WERE GIVEN FOR ENERGY MANAGEMENT. I BELIEVE IT'S LIKE 71 OR 72 DEGREES IS WHAT WE NEED TO SET IT AT. SO I'D TELL YOU FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, FOR AN ITEM THAT'S THIS COST, WE NEED, WE NEED BID LOOKS TO ME LIKE YOU WANT, I DON'T HAVE A, I I WE'RE, WE CAN DO THAT AS A PLACE MARKER. BUT AS FAR AS, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, FOR ANYTHING OF THAT AMOUNT THAT WE PROBABLY AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE PROCESS, NOT, NOT NOW FOR BUDGET PURPOSES, BUT I MEAN AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE PROCESS, WE'RE GOING TO NEED, UH, COMPETITIVE BIDS. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WE ONLY HAVE ONE CONTRACTOR BIDDING ON THAT RIGHT NOW. WE DO HAVE A BID IN ON THAT EAST ANNEX. MM-HMM . I CAN BRING THAT CONTRACTOR UP HERE TO EXPLAIN THIS IF YOU WANT. YEAH. OR WE CAN SEND THE COURT THE, UH, CONTRACT WE HAVE NOW. SO WHAT I, WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M TELLING YOU IS FROM, FROM WHERE I'M LISTENING, MY OPINION IS FOR, FOR A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO BE TAKING COMPETITIVE SEALED BIDS FOR THIS PROJECT. I THINK SO TWO, THREE. I THINK WE NEED BIDS THAT WILL, SO THAT WE KNOW THAT WE ARE, WHAT WE'RE GETTING, WHO WE'RE GETTING IT FROM AND WHAT THEIR GUARANTEES ARE AND ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. RATHER THAN SAYING, OKAY, YOU'RE AN APPROVED VENDOR, GO, GO DO IT. I WOULD AGREE. WE NEED COMPETITIVE SEALED BID BIDS ON AN ITEM THAT, THAT COSTLY. BUT YOU KNOW, THIS TECHNOLOGY SEEMS TO BE MORE AND MORE READILY AVAILABLE. I MEAN, I CONTROL ALL OUR THERMOSTATS FROM AN APP MM-HMM . AND IT'S NOT $55,000 EITHER. SO I DON'T UNDER, THAT'S WHY I'M KIND OF UNDERSTANDING, AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT MORE THAT THIS SYSTEM WOULD CONTROL. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT'S FINE. I'LL DO WHAT THE MAIN OBJECTIVE WOULD BE. YEAH. YEAH. WE, WE ALL NEED TO GET TO THE RIGHT PLACE. BUT, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT YEAH. WHAT'S OUT THERE. WE, WE COULD DO, WE COULD GET ANOTHER BID ON THE, LET'S SAY THE TWO BUILDINGS I REALLY WANT TO DO IS EAST STAND AND THE ELECTIONS BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE IT. RIGHT. WE COULD GET TWO BIDS TO DO THOSE BUILDINGS AND THEN WE COULD USE WHATEVER THAT MONEY WAS. WE COULD USE THAT AND THEN NOT DO ANY MORE CUT HALF, MAYBE CUT HALF OR MORE OF THAT. WE'RE, WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY SAYING WE NEED TO DO THAT. WE'RE, WE'RE [02:10:01] JUST WANTING TO KNOW WHAT'S OUT THERE AND WHAT, WHAT THE BEST VALUE IS FOR THE COUNTY. IF, IF, IF SOMEBODY COMES IN HERE AND SAYS, GOSH, WE'VE, WE CAN PUT THIS ON YOUR CELL PHONE AND, AND CONTROL ALL OF 'EM RIGHT HERE, THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TECHNOLOGY IS. AND I, I SAW THEY DO, THE BOYS DO HAVE, UM, I IPADS AND THEY DO CONTROL WHAT WE HAVE NOW. YES. AND THEY'RE AVAILABLE 24 7. THEY HAVE 'EM ON. WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT IT COSTS TO GET THE THINGS SET UP. RIGHT. IT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA WIRE UP CONTROLS. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT I, THE SCOPE OF IT, I GUESS. YES. I I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING OTHER THAN SAYING BEFORE WE APPROVE THAT MUCH OF AN EXPENDITURE, WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE GETTING AND EVERYTHING ABOUT IT. FROM A, A COMPETITIVE, COMPETITIVE BIDDING STANDPOINT, WE NEED TO KNOW THAT. SO NOW I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULDN'T PUT A PLACE MARKER IN HERE OR ANYTHING ELSE. I'M JUST SAYING THAT, UH, RATHER THAN TO JUST APPROVE THIS ITEM AND SAY, WELL WHOEVER ONE OF OUR VENDORS ON THE CO-OP, IT'S TOO MUCH MONEY. UH, WE NEED, WE NEED TO BE SITTING HERE AND LOOKING AT, UH, WHAT THE BEST VALUE IS AND, AND WHAT OTHER TECHNOLOGIES ARE OUT THERE. AND I'D, I'D BE INTERESTED IN HEARING PRESENTATIONS FROM THREE, THREE OR MORE PEOPLE TO TELL US WHAT THEY'VE GOT AND THEN A, A COMPETITIVE BID FROM EACH OF THOSE FOLKS. IS THAT FAIR? YEAH, FINE WITH ME. I THINK SO. UM, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT QUESTIONING THE NEED AT ALL BECAUSE AMOUNT GOING UP FROM THIS YEAR WHEN GOING UP. SO THAT'S DIFFERENT. YOU HAVE TO HAVE, WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS YOU GET MULTIPLE CO-OP. OH, I KNOW THAT. BUT BUT BEFORE WE HAD, IT WAS 50,000 LIMIT WE HAD GET BID. RIGHT? YES. BUT THAT WE NEED TO ALSO BE AWARE THAT YOU WORTH CO CONSTRUCTION PROJECT OR THOUSAND THEN EVERY DOLLAR HAVE PROCESS ALL THAT STILL THERE. THAT'S FINE. SO THE REASON THIS IS IMPORTANT, UH, IS BECAUSE THE POTENTIAL SAVINGS FOR US ARE THERE AND ENERGY COSTS AND, AND ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WE HAVE NOW. SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO BEST TO HANDLE THIS FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE. IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE KNOW THAT YOU'RE TELLING US THAT WE NEED SPECIFICALLY IN THOSE THAT DON'T HAVE IT. UM, BUT LIKE COMMISSIONER HALE SAYS, THERE MAY BE SOME TECHNOLOGY OUT THERE THAT I'M NOT AWARE OF, THAT YOU'RE NOT AWARE OF THAT MIGHT, MIGHT BENEFIT US SIGNIFICANTLY IN BEING ABLE TO, TO MOVE FORWARD. SO I WOULD SAY BETWEEN YOU AND PURCHASING, GET TOGETHER AND LET'S, LET'S GET SOME PROPOSALS. AND USUALLY WHEN NOT DEAL WITH KIM, IT'S LIKE GIMME SOME SPECS AND THEN NO. TAKES IT FROM THERE. YEAH. IF I DO, IT HELPS. YEAH. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA SUGGEST THAT WE NEED FOR A, FOR A VALUE A A A A COST THIS SIGNIFICANTLY. THAT WE NEED TO HAVE BIDS AND WE NEED TO HAVE INFORMATION SO THAT WE CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION. THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY. THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY. NO, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT. I SAID WE NEED TO PUT A PLACE MARKER IN HERE OF SOME VALUE AND THEN, AND THEN AFTER THE FACT COME BACK AND SAY, SO WHETHER IT, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING IN CONTINGENCY PERHAPS. SO I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA SUGGEST THAT WE COME UP WITH A, A NUMBER THAT WE PUT IN CONTINGENCY HERE TO COVER THE COST OF THIS. AND THEN AFTER THE FACT COME BACK AND, AND UH, AFTER THE BUDGET IS ADOPTED, THEN COME BACK AND EXAMINE EXACTLY WHAT WE THINK WE NEED TO SPEND. OKAY. OKAY. AND JUST REMEMBER TOO THAT WE ONLY HAVE TWO BUILDINGS THAT DON'T HAVE IT. THOSE ARE THE ONES I WANT TO DO. IT MIGHT NOT COST 250,000, IT MIGHT JUST COST 125,000. THEN WE COULD REDUCE THAT NUMBER THAT WAY. EXACTLY. ALRIGHT. OKAY. SO THEN, THEN YOU HAVE QUESTION, COMMENT. I DID, BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT, IT'S A SIDE ADJACENT TO THIS. SO GO AHEAD. SO THE NEXT ONE IS HVA EQUIPMENT, THE REPLACEMENT OF UNITS, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN, WE'VE BEEN CARRYING FORWARD EACH YEAR. THAT'S FROM EXPERIENCE TALK, TALK TO IT ABOUT, TALK TO US ABOUT HOW THAT HAS BEEN WORKING. THIS HAS BEEN ON, UH, ON YOUR BUDGET FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND YOU'RE GOING THROUGH AND REPLACING NUMEROUS UNITS EVERY YEAR THAT ARE AGED OUT OR FOR WHATEVER REASON HAVE TO BE REPLACED. YEAH. WE STILL HAVE STUFF ON THE DISTRICT COURTS BUILDING. THAT'S R 22. AND IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR, THAT'S PRETTY [02:15:01] OLD. YEAH. WE DID REPLACE FOUR. WE REPLACED WE SIX I THINK. 'CAUSE WE REPLACED ONE OF 'EM OURSELVES. WE HAD TO, SO, SO IT WAS FOUR THAT WAS DONE BY THE CONTRACTOR AND THEN ONE JEREMY AND DID ANOTHER ONE. WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE TIMELINE THEN ON IT'S WITH THIS PHASED IN REPLACING? IS THERE A TIMELINE THAT YOU HAVE A GUESSTIMATE FIVE YEARS OF, OF? WELL, IT'S REALLY, IT'S, IT'S LIKE, IT'S KIND OF LIKE THIS, LIKE THE COUNTY ATTORNEY BUILDING COMMISSIONER, HOPE, YOU KNOW, WE REDID THE OUTSIDE ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, BUT WE NEED TO COME BACK AND REPAINT NOW TO, IN ORDER TO KEEP FROM, UH, IT BROUGHT IN AND THE UNITS. WE HAVE SO MANY UNITS, IT'S JUST KIND OF A CONTINUING PROCESS. SO IS IT FAIR TO SAY KIND OF LIKE THE, THE CHIEF DEPUTY'S GONNA ASK US FOR NEW TAHOES OR DEPUTY VEHICLES EVERY YEAR? JUST 'CAUSE WE HAVE ENOUGH OF THEM THAT THEY'RE CONTINUALLY GONNA CYCLE OFF. MM-HMM . IS IT FAIR TO SAY, WITH ALL OUR BUILDINGS THAT THE HVAC'S THE SAME WAY? MM-HMM . THANK YOU. AND AND PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE, UH, RAPIDLY CHANGING COOL COOLING. COOLING, UH, THE FOUR 10 A YOU CAN'T HARDLY, YOU CAN'T REALLY GET ANYMORE. RIGHT. ONLY WE APPROVE THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS PLACE MARKER THERE FOR THE HV EQUIPMENT MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HOLT. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? SO THE QUESTION I HAD, AND I DON'T KNOW WHO MIGHT KNOW THIS SINCE THEY FINALLY FIGURED OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON OVER THERE AT THE ANNEX, HAVE WE SEEN AN UPDATE OF AN ELECTRICITY BILL SINCE THEN? I HAVE NOT. AND WHO MIGHT, WHO MIGHT SEE THAT? I'D LIKE FOR, I'D LIKE TO SEE 'CAUSE THAT WAS A PROBLEM THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING WITH THAT CONTRACTOR SINCE DAY ONE. BUT REMEMBER THE QUESTION I ASKED YOU, WAS THERE AN ENVIRONMENTAL SYSTEM INCLUDED IN THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION OF THAT BUILDING? AND WHEN COVID HIT AND WE HAD TO REDUCE THE PRICE OF EVERYTHING, WAS THAT REMOVED? THAT WAS BEFORE ME. I DON'T KNOW. WHAT KIND OF TROUBLE ARE YOU HAVING OUT THERE? I HADN'T HEARD, UH, VERY HIGH HUMIDITY IN THE 80% RANGE. UM, AND, UH, WE, WE JUST KEPT LOOKING AND LOOKING AND THEY WERE TRYING EVERYTHING WE, UH, WERE UP THERE. MY GUYS WERE UP THERE ONE DAY JUST, YOU KNOW, TAKING 'EM APART, GOING TO MAKE SURE THE INSIDE COALS WERE CLEAN AND STUFF. AND THEN THEY REALIZED THERE WAS A FAN THAT WAS NEVER SHUTTING OFF. AND THEN THAT LED TO MORE. BUT WHEN THAT AIR GOES ACROSS THOSE INSIDE COALS, IT COLLECTS ON THOSE COALS AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT FAN SHUT OFF FOR THAT WATER TO DRAIN OUT TO GET RID OF IT OR IT JUST KIND OF STAYS. YEAH. SO THAT'S WHAT WAS GOING ON. AND THEN AS WE GET INTO IT FARTHER, WE REALIZED THAT THE SYSTEM WAS NEVER SET UP OR PROGRAMMED. THE ONLY REASON WE FOUND THAT ONE IS 'CAUSE THAT BOARD WAS BAD AND THAT BOARD WAS LIKE A THOUSAND DOLLARS, YOU KNOW? YEAH. CONTROL BOARD. SO WHEN WE FOUND THAT WE HAD A CONTRACTOR COME OUT AND THEY FIXED EVERYTHING. SO NOW THE HUMIDITY IS IN THE 50 TO 55 PERCENTAGE RANGE, WHICH IS STANDARD FOR A BUILDING. YEAH. THANK YOU. OUR BUILDING AND GROUNDS CREW IS THE ONE THAT FOUND IT. AND WE HAD BEEN HAVING AN ISSUE WITH THIS SINCE THE RIBBON CUTTING. OH YEAH. ON A BRAND NEW BUILDING. YEAH. THE OTHER PROBLEM WE HAD WAS WATER COMING IN INTO THE DOORS ON THE YEAH. UH, THE, UH, TWO WEST SOUTHWEST SIDE CORNER. BUT I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN THAT FIXED AS WELL. WE'VE HAD SOME WATER LINES BUST OUT THE MAIN WATER LINE BUST OUT THERE. WE FIXED IT TWICE. TWICE. YEAH. JUST, BUT THAT KIND OF GROUND OUT THERE. YOU'LL KNOW THIS SHRINK AND SWELL. IT JUST, YOU KNOW, SO, WELL THANK Y'ALL FOR FINDING IT. ALL RIGHT. SO ONE MORE THING. YOU'VE GOT FOR THE SOUTH CONVENIENCE CENTER HERE, THE, IT SAYS GRABBER PIECE, BUT YOU'RE WANTING, UH, SOME KIND OF CLAMSHELL OR GRAPPLE TYPE DEAL FOR THE YES. FOR THE BUCKET ON THE BACKHOE THAT YOU HAVE ON THE FRONT. YES. YEAH. AND WE HAVE $5,000 FOR THAT. YES. AND THAT'LL BE USED TO MOVE RUSH. YES. OKAY. MOTION MEMBER COMMISSIONER HA SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MCC CONLEY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR CARRIED SPOT. THANK YOU FOR THE HELP OF GIVING OUT THERE. AND YOU TOO. THANK YOU. WE CAN'T, WE COULDN'T DO IT DOWN TO ALL HELP ON THE JP THREE REQUESTS. I WENT BACK TO THEIR WORKBOOK AND IT SAID THE TWO DESKS WOULD BE REQUESTED IF THE REMODEL WAS COMPLETED BECAUSE THEY WOULD NEED FREESTANDING DESKS. SO THAT WAS FOR THE JP THREE FOR THE YES. AT $2,000 A PIECE. YES. THAT'S WHAT IT HAD IN THEIR WORKBOOK. SO I DUNNO, [02:20:02] WHEN WE DID OUR QUICK PLACE DESK FOR THE, AFTER THE ANNEX FLOOD, THAT NUMBER IS, IS THERE, IS THERE, UM, I UNDERSTAND IF THERE'S A REASON THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A DESK THAT IS SECURE AND LOCKED AND ALL OF THAT KIND OF STUFF, IF THERE'S NOT LOCKING FILE CABINETS AHEAD OF TIME. BUT I'M ALSO WONDERING, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GET FREESTANDING DESKS ON AMAZON, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT I DON'T THINK ARE CLOSE TO THAT MUCH. HOW MUCH DID YOU PAY FOR THOSE DESKS? WELL, SO OUR, OUR DESK OUT THAT WE ALL HAVE AT THE ANNEX, WE'RE PROBABLY AT LEAST $2,000 A PIECE. BUT THEY'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S MULTIPLE PIECES. THEY'RE, THEY'RE U SHAPE OR THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UH, HAVE A RETURN. THEY HAVE CREDENZAS AND ALL THAT STUFF. SO I WAS, I WAS UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS WAS A SPACE THAT WAS VERY LIMITED. SO THE DESKS WOULD NEED TO BE, I, I, I HAVEN'T HAD A DISCUSSION WITH HIM. YEAH. I JUST WENT BACK TO . OKAY. SO I, I THINK WE'VE COVERED EVERY ITEM HERE. EITHER SET IT ASIDE OR, OR COVERED EVERY ITEM ON, ON THE CORRECT AT ALL. I SEE IT THAT WAY. YEAH, I THINK ALL THE CAP, NON CAP, EXCEPT FOR WHAT NEEDS MORE INFORMATION IS COVERED. UM, SO WHAT WE HAVEN'T IS THE CIP STUFF, BUILDING GROUNDS, UM, PROJECTS. OKAY. NOT BEING DISCUSSED. SO WE HAVEN'T COVERED PROJECTS FOR BUILDING AND GROUNDS AND WHERE WE AT ON THAT? I'M NOT SEEING WHERE I'M AT. WHERE, SO THERE'S A SMALL SHAPE. WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? LIKE THAT SMALL THING. GET YOUR GLASSES ON FOR THIS TINY, WHAT DOES IT SAY AT THE TOP? CAPITAL PROJECTS? YEP. OKAY. GOY, YOU CAN, I'M SORRY, I WAS TRYING TO SAY PAPER. I NEED STRONGER GLASSES HERE. YOU WANT BORROW MINE, . SO THIS IS VERY CLEAR. I SEE IT JUST FINE. SHUT IT. YOU SHUT IT. YEAH. MR. 30-YEAR-OLD YOUNG. OKAY. UM, DO YOU WANNA GO OVER THESE? PROBABLY BE GOOD. GO RIGHT HERE. THESE ARE, THESE ARE REQUEST REQUEST. THESE ARE REQUESTS THAT THE DEPARTMENT SUBMITTED TO BILLY BROWN. THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE SUBMITTED TO COURT, HAS BUILDING GROUNDS ROUNDS, REVIEWED THESE. ALL OF THESE. OR WE GET, I SEND OUT AT THE BUDGET TIME FOR THEM TO EMAIL ME WHAT PROJECTS THEY WANT DONE FOR THE YEAR. AND THOSE USUALLY COME OUT OF OUR BUDGET. AND SO ARE THESE, UH, ACCOUNTED FOR IN YOUR BUDGET CURRENTLY? I MEAN, IS THIS YES. THE, THEY, WHEN WE LOOK AT YOUR TOTAL, SO THE, UH, WHERE DID THE, WHERE DOES THE AMOUNT COME FROM OF THE COST OF THESE? IS THAT FROM THE WHOEVER'S REQUESTING IT'S AN ESTIMATE, BUT ON YOUR BEHALF OR ON THEIR OKAY. ON YOUR BEHALF. AND SO HOW, HOW DOES THIS FIT IN LINE WITH, WITH PREVIOUS YEARS? SO I GUESS THIS IS A GOOD QUESTION TO ASK SO THAT WE CAN COMPARE WITH WHAT WE'VE ALLOCATED FOR THIS TYPE OF WORK IN PREVIOUS YEARS. AND IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THOSE, DIDN'T, THAT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT ALL OF THESE THINGS WOULD GET DONE OR THAT THEY WOULD COST EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS IN HERE. WHAT IT WOULD SAY IS THAT, UH, WE WOULD BE APPROVING THAT LINE ITEM FOR YOU. AND THAT AT YOUR DISCRETION, THOSE THAT WORK WOULD BE DONE. YES. IS THAT FAIR? YES. SO THAT IF, IN OTHER WORDS, IF IF IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY THEN TO PRIORITIZE THESE AND DO THEM. AND IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU'LL NECESSARILY GONNA SPEND $500 INSTALLING ADDITIONAL ELECTRICAL OUTLETS OVER HERE. THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE TO SPEND A THOUSAND DOLLARS OVER THERE AND TAKE THAT THOUSAND, ANOTHER 500 FROM CARPET CLEANING OVER HERE OR, BUT ANYHOW, IT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD MANAGE AS, AS LONG AS YOU'RE, SO THERE'S ONE ITEM ON HERE THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT, UH, THAT WE HAVE HAD IN THE PAST. AND THAT IS THE, UH, THE JIM WRIGHT BUILDING ON BUILDING AND GROUNDS, UH, LINE THERE. THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, UH, FOR THE WEATHERPROOFING OF THAT BUILDING AND, UH, HOW THAT'S GONNA BE MANAGED. UH, IS THAT GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA COME FROM, UH, OUR COUNTY BUDGET? IS THAT GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT COMES FROM THE HISTORICAL COMMISSIONS, UH, FUNDS THAT THEY HAVE IN PLACE OR, I WAS UNDER THE [02:25:01] IMPRESSION THEY HAD THE FUNDS FOR THAT. WELL, WE CAN TALK ALREADY HAD THAT AMOUNT ABOUT THAT. 'CAUSE THEY ARE REQUESTING THAT IN THEIR BUDGET, WHICH IS ON THE AGENDA TODAY. THEY'RE REQUESTING A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS YES. TO PAY FOR THIS. IS THAT A MATCH? NO, THEY'RE NOT PROVIDE IT. THEY'RE NOT GONNA SPEND THEIR A HUNDRED THOUSAND NO, THEY'RE REQUEST REQUESTING IT FROM COURT TO RECOLLECTION COURT. SO WE, WE WILL GO, WE CAN GO THROUGH THAT REQUEST. IT'S ON THERE TODAY. THAT'S WHAT THEY TOLD ME. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT I HAD, UM, DISCUSSED, IT'S, IT WAS PROBABLY RIGHT AFTER THE PURCHASE OF THE BUILDING, IS, UM, YOU KNOW, NORMALLY IF THEY ARE FUNDRAISING FOR SOMETHING, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BECOME BEFORE THE COURT. HOWEVER, IF THEY'RE FUNDRAISING FOR FUNDS FOR THE RENOVATION, THIS BUILDING, IT IS THE COUNTY'S BUILDING. SO I FEEL LIKE THE COURT SHOULD APPROVE THAT AGAIN BECAUSE IT'S ACCEPTING DONATIONS AND THEN TO IMPROVE ONE OF THE COUNTY'S ASSETS. SO, AND THEN ANY WORK TO BE DONE ALSO WOULD THEN HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE COUNTY'S PROCUREMENT PROCESS. SO THEN, UH, IS SOMEBODY FROM THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION COMING HERE TO, TO TALK TO THEIR, TO US ABOUT, ABOUT THEIR, UNLESS THEY'VE BEEN INVITED. I'VE JUST ASKED, UM, ANYTHING THAT HAS COME IN, UM, TO BE PRINTED SO YOU ALL CAN SEE THE REQUEST. SO I MEAN, I THINK MAYBE THAT IS, YOU GUYS CAN SEE THE REQUEST AND THEN THE JUDGE'S OFFICE CAN REACH OUT TO THOSE, UM, FOLKS THAT ARE ASKING FOR THINGS IF THE COURT WANTS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FOR A DIFFERENT DATE. UH, I WANT TO FOLLOW UP. I MEAN, MAYBE A FOLLOW UP WITH COMMISSIONER HOLT SAID, I I FEEL LIKE THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION THAT IF THIS BUILDING WAS ACQUIRED, THAT THEN THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO HANDLE THE UPKEEP OR THE MAINTENANCE ON THAT BUILDING. THE COMMUNICATION THAT I HAD, UH, FROM GOING TO THEIR MEETING WAS THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY PROBABLY TO MAKE A SWAP FOR THIS BUILDING WITH THE CITY OF WEATHERFORD, BUT MM-HMM . THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE FUNDS FOR MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP LIKE THIS. LIKE THIS. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S WHERE I THINK SOME OF OUR CONFUSIONS COMING FROM HERE AND WE ARE PAYING ALL THE UTILITIES ON THAT BUILDING. UM, THERE WAS ALSO A DISCUSSION, AGAIN, THIS HAS BEEN A WHILE BACK OF POSSIBLY SOMEONE DONATING THE SERVICES LIKE FOR AN ARBORIST OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND AGAIN, I SAID THAT WOULD NEED TO COME BEFORE THE COURT BECAUSE IT IS ULTIMATELY THE COUNTY'S ASSET. AND SO IF SOMEONE IS DONATING THEIR SERVICES AN IN KIND CONTRIBUTION, THEN UM, THEY WOULD NEED TO COME BEFORE THE COURT TO APPROVE THAT AS A DONATION. AND TO ADD TO WHAT SHE SAID, YOU KNOW, THEY COME TO ME FOR ALL KINDS OF STUFF AND WE HAVE DONE, WE FIXED SOME CEILING IN THERE. WE TOOK OUT THE OLD 80 GALLON HOT WATER HEATER THAT WAS SPLIT LAST WEEK. PUT THAT IN THERE. BUT THE, WHAT THEY COME, THEY COME TO ME. I HAD MID CONTINENTAL WHO WAS DOING THE DISTRICT COURTS AND THEY DONE THIS, THEY WENT UP THERE AND DID AN ESTIMATE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING TO FIX THE ROTTED WOOD AROUND THE WINDOWS AND ALL THAT. AND THEN THE BRICK ON THE BOTTOM. AND I, I TOLD THEM THAT I THINK IT WAS AROUND 85,000 FOR ALL THAT. AND I TOLD 'EM THAT THEY WAS GONNA HAVE TO SELL THIS TO THE COURT 'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO DO IT. AND I TOLD 'EM THEY NEEDED TO RAISE MONEY. AND SO THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS NOW OF CREATING SOME, SOME KIND OF, SOME, UH, 5 0 3 OR SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW. SO THEY CAN GET MONEY BECAUSE THE COUNTY OWNS THE BUILDING. AND THERE'S, I DON'T UNDERSTAND ALL OF THAT, BUT THAT'S KIND OF HOW THAT HAPPENED. SOUNDS LIKE WE PROBABLY NEED TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. 'CAUSE AGAIN, IF THE COUNTY AUTHORIZES TO ON RIGHT. THE COUNTY'S BEHALF TO DO THAT, THEN THE COUNTY CAN ACCEPT THE DONATION, THEN USE THOSE FUNDS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE IMPROVEMENT OF THAT BUILDING. SO IN, IN LOOKING AT OUR, I'M NOT SURE THEY NEED TO LIKE DO THE WHOLE YEAH. SETTING UP ANOTHER ENTITY. WE WOULD JUST LIKE WE DO WITH OTHER THINGS. WE WOULD IN, YOU KNOW, ANY FUNDS THAT WE RECEIVE, WE WOULD PUT IN A DONATION LINE AND THEN CERTIFY IT SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT PROJECT. SO THAT WAY IT'S RESTRICTED FOR THAT USE, THAT THEY'RE ACCEPTING THE DONATIONS. UM, I THINK IT'D BE SAFE TO SAY IN, IN LIGHT OF THE OTHER BUDGET REQUESTS THAT WE HAVE, IF THAT WERE TO RECEIVE A RATING OVER HERE, IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE A FIVE. IT WOULD NOT BE A FIVE IN, IN RELATION TO THE OTHER NEEDS THAT WE HAVE. SO I THINK DISCUSSIONS NEED TO TAKE PLACE REGARDING THIS. AND YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT THE PROCEDURE WE'LL FOLLOW IS AS FAR AS CAN, CAN WE GET, WE GO FROM HERE, ONE OF THEM TO SHOW UP. RICH HAS ALREADY, AT SOME POINT, RICH HAS ALREADY REACHED OUT TO HIM. SHE'S TRYING TO COME BY TODAY. POSSIBLE. SHE JUST AT WORK. YEP. ALL RIGHT. SO THEN THE, THE OTHER THING THAT I SEE AND, AND I SEE, UH, UH, IS IT THE [02:30:01] SOUTH CONVENIENCE CENTER, UH, CONSTRUCTING THE BATHROOM AND, UH, IT'S 25,000? I'M, I'M NOT QUESTIONING THE AMOUNT OR ANYTHING. I'M JUST SAYING THAT, UH, IF IN LIGHT OF SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAVE GOING ON IN THE COUNTY, THAT THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE WANT TO PUT OFF. I WAS JUST GONNA PULL IT OUT THE MAINTENANCE LINE. I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT UM, TO, TO, TO SPEND THAT AND BUILD IT HERE, UM, MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT. SURE. PUTTING OFF BECAUSE OF, OF SOME OTHER THINGS THAT THE SOUTH CONVENIENCE CENTER IS LOCATED AT THE POOR FARM. YES, I UNDERSTAND. AND, AND, AND YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON SOME OTHER THINGS HERE, IT COULD BE HAVE TO BE DESTROYED. YES, I UNDERSTAND. SO, OKAY. SO, UM, I WOULD SAY, UM, THAT IF WE'RE ABLE TO, AND, AND THE OTHER THING I GUESS THE JP THREE EXPAND THE PUBLIC AREA, THAT, THAT QUOTE WAS $57,000 TO DO THAT WORK THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE. YEAH. SEE, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO PERSONALLY, RIGHT? INHOUSE. SO I DID, JUDGE, I SHOULD DO AS MUCH, I GUESS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO HERE AT THIS POINT IS WE'VE GOT A TOTAL HERE FOR, UM, THE AMOUNT HERE. I'D LIKE TO, FOR US TO GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THE AMOUNT, UH, DOWN THROUGH THE FIRST BLUE LINE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE $100,000. AND THAT WOULD BE $152,500 FOR BUILDING GROUNDS FOR THEIR, UH, UH, IMPROVEMENTS, MAINTENANCE, WHATEVER THERE. OKAY. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN. I DO. COMMISSIONER HALE, JUST ONE QUICK COMMENT. WE'RE IN THE DISCUSSION PHASE. PROCEED, UH, MR. LONG, THE STUFF AT PRECINCT TWO BARN FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE BATHROOM. YES. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT DOES NOT NEED TO BE ON HERE BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE CONTRACTING SEPARATELY AT A LATER POINT. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. AND BRIANNA AND I JUST HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, PRECINCT THREE, UH, UH, OFFICE HVAC REPLACEMENT. UM, EITHER I'VE GOTTA PAY FOR IT OR WE HAVE TO HAVE THE COURT SAY, OKAY, BILL GROUNDS PAY FOR IT. SO, SO YOU AREN'T, YOU THINK ABOUT REPOSSESSING IT, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? NOT REALLY. MIGHT TALK TO THE LADIES IN THE OFFICE ABOUT THAT. SO, WHICH, WHICHEVER BRIANNA. OKAY. WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION BEFORE. BUT ANYTIME ANY OF THE PRECINCTS OR DOING ANY SORT OF BUILDING MAINTENANCE OR EXPANSIONS OR ANYTHING ELSE, IT'S PAID BY PRECINCT FUNDS UNLESS APPROVED THEN BY THE COURT FROM GENERAL FUND. AND SO I THINK THAT INVOICE WAS TURNED IN FOR PAYMENT IN QUESTION. SO WE HAVE THE FUNDS TO PAY FOR IT, BUT THE COURT'S GONNA HAVE TO TELL ME TO I'M SURE WE HAVE THE FUNDS TO PAY FOR IT. YEAH. SO I SAID THEY CAN JUST INCLUDE THAT PO SO THAT WAY IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE DID THE WORK PRIOR TO PO. SO, ALL RIGHT. WE'RE AT THE, WE'RE AT THAT. WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT. ALL IN FAVOR. AND WE HAVE THREE, WE HAVE THREE BIDS NOW FOR THE EXPANSION. SO DOES THAT, DOES THAT NEED TO BE ON HERE THEN? HUH? THAT'S NOT GONNA BE INCLUDED IN MY BUDGET BECAUSE IT CAN'T, THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING, YES. OKAY. SO THEN THE, THE NEXT THING YOU'VE GOT HERE IS THIS EXPAND THE PUBLIC AREA FOR JP THREE, WE'RE GOING TO OMIT THE $25,000 FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE RESTROOM. AND THEN WE HAVE THE COVERED PORCH AND LOT STRIPING, UH, THE SHERIFF'S PATROL BUILDING FOR 30,000. UM, IS THAT THE NEW BUILDING? THAT'S YES. OKAY. IT'S THE SOUTH, IT'S THE SOUTH SIDE ENTRY. THERE'S TWO DOORS ON THAT. SO I KNOW WE'VE DONE CONSIDERABLE WORK THERE. PRECINCT THREE HAS DONE CONSIDERABLE WORK. THERE IS THAT, THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE BUILT, THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE BILLED AND PAID OUT. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO NEED. UM, WHAT WE'RE NOT COMPLETED, WE'RE NOT COMPLETED WITH THAT WORK YET. RIGHT. ANY WORK THAT'S BEEN COMPLETED BY SEPTEMBER 30TH, UM, I WOULD GET WITH THE TREASURER'S OFFICE TO GET THAT BILLED. 'CAUSE IT WAS RIGHT INCURRED THIS YEAR. AND THEN THAT WAY WE HAVE A NUMBER OF AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT ADDITIONAL WORK NEEDS TO BE COMPLETED TO GO TO THE NEXT YEAR. OKAY. AND SO THAT WAS BUDGETED IN THE CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND. UM, AND SO I BELIEVE THERE'S 29,000. I COULD BE WAY OFF CHECK. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MM-HMM . UM, WHAT'S REMAINING ON THE TAX NOTE? ONE THING THERE IS WE KNOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME ARBITRAGE. AND SO ONCE WE SPEND ALL OF THOSE INITIAL FUNDS, WE CAN ACTUALLY ASK, UH, HILLTOP TO DO THAT CALCULATION SO THAT WAY WE KNOW HOW MUCH OF THE ADDITIONAL INTEREST WE CAN USE FOR PROJECTS. I JUST, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS. SO, AND THEN ALSO WE HAVE CURRENTLY BUDGETED IN THIS FISCAL YEAR, IS THAT 179,000 FOR THE [02:35:01] PARKING LOT AT THE ELECTIONS BUILDING? MM-HMM . THAT, I'M ASSUMING WE'RE GONNA NEED TO ROLL THAT. CORRECT. OKAY. NOW WE HOPE TO BE THROUGH WITH THE, UH, PATROL BUILDING PARKING LOTS IN, IN PLENTY OF TIME. BUT, UH, HOW DO WE DETERMINE, I MEAN, WE, WE HAVE, WE COST EVERYTHING OUT EVERY DAY. SO IS THAT THE NUMBER THAT WE USE? WE, WE COST, UH, ALL OF OUR WORK OUT EVERY DAY, WHATEVER WE DO, WHETHER IT'S FOR THE, THIS PATROL BUILDING OR FOR, YOU KNOW, ONE OF OUR ROADS. RIGHT. SO I, I WOULD, THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT LIKE, PUT THAT TOGETHER OF WHERE, WHERE THAT'S AT RIGHT NOW. WE, WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT. AND THEN I GUESS GIVE THAT AMOUNT. UM, WE'RE, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF WE NEED TO ADD THE COST OF AIR CONDITIONER TO IT . JUST KIDDING. JUST KIDDING. ALL RIGHT, SO THEN I'M GONNA MOVE THAT WE APPROVE. WELL, I'M GONNA, LET'S JUST SECOND HERE TO, SO TO KIND OF GO BACK TO SOME OF THAT DISCUSSION REAL QUICK BEFORE YOU DO THAT IS WE WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT, I MEAN, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S ALL IN HERE IS, BUT FOR ROLLOVER ITEMS IS, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING THAT'S NOT GONNA BE COMPLETED BY NINE 30, WE'LL BRING IT, YOU KNOW, BACK TO THAT WAY TO REAPPROPRIATE THOSE FUNDS. SO WHAT ABOUT THE COVERED PORCH AND THE LOT DROPPING? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT BRIANNA THE COVERED PORCH AND THE, AND THE LOT DROPPING, WHERE WOULD THAT, I MEAN THIS, DOES THIS NEED TO COME FROM BUILDING GROUNDS BUDGET? YES. YES. I MEAN, NORMALLY, I GUESS THAT'S WHERE THE COURT WANTS TO APPROPRIATE THOSE FUNDS. NORMALLY, ANY SORT OF BUILDING IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS HAVE BEEN PUT IN THAT BUDGET. BUT IF YOU WANT US TO CREATE SOMETHING FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND HAVE THEM MANAGE IT, THAT'S UP TO YOU ALL OF HOW YOU WANT THAT HANDLED. OKAY. WE'VE USED THE BUILDING ANNEX LINE FOR RIGHT, FOR KIND OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. YES. THAT'S COMING FROM THE GENERAL FUND. SO THEN WHAT WE'VE GOT SITTING HERE IS THE $57,000 FOR JP THREE AND THE $30,000 FOR THE SHERIFF'S PATROL BUILDING FOR THE COVERED PORCH AND LOBSTER. I THINK THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE TWO ITEMS THAT ARE IN QUESTION, SIR. UH, DID WE ALREADY VOTE ON THE JACKIE THREE? NO, WE HAVEN'T HAD A MOTION REGARDING THAT YET. I, I'M HEARING BUILDING A GROUNDS SAYING THAT, THAT, THAT HE RECOMMENDS THAT WE APPROVE THAT OBVIOUSLY THE SHERIFF'S PATROL BUILDING WOULDN'T BE ON HERE IF THEY DIDN'T THINK THAT THEY NEEDED THAT FOR SOME REASON. SO THOSE RAMPS, THEY'RE, THOSE RAMPS ARE PRETTY UNSTABLE. UM, THEY'RE JUST TEMPORARY ALUMINUM RAMPS OR, OR STEPS. UM, IT'S HARD TO GET UP AND DOWN THOSE THINGS WHEN YOU'RE CARRYING EQUIPMENT IN AND OUT AND YOU'RE HAVING TO PUNCH IN THROUGH THE DOOR AND IT'S RAINING ON YOU. SO WHAT WE REQUESTED IS ORIGINALLY, WAS ORIGINALLY PART OF THE REQUEST, UM, WAS TO HAVE A, UH, A, A PORSCHE LENGTHWISE ON THE FRONT OF THAT BUILDING COVERED SO THAT WHEN THE DEPUTIES ARE COMING AND GOING OUTTA THAT, THAT, UH, THAT STRUCTURE, THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO NAVIGATE THOSE STEPS AND THEN THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, STANDING THERE GETTING RAINED ON THE WHOLE TIME. SO THAT'D BE INCLUDED IN THAT NUMBER. IN THE 30,000. IN THE 30. ARE THOSE STEPS INCLUDED IN THAT STRIPING AND, AND, UH, COVERED PARKING COVERED PORCH? WELL, THE STEPS AT 30. NOW ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT NEW STEPS? BECAUSE THE WELL, NO, I WAS JUST REFERENCING WHAT HE JUST SAID. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO COVER ALL THE BASES YEAH. AND MAKE SURE THE AMOUNT THAT WE ALLOCATE WILL GET DONE WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST GONNA BE A FRONT PORT COVERED PORCH, YOU KNOW, WITH SOME BETTER STEPS GOING UP THAT ARE MORE STABLE RAILS, STUFF LIKE THAT. AND NOT TO MENTION THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING WILL BE PROTECTED THAT AS BETTER AS WELL. AND, AND 30,000 WAS THE AMOUNT? YES. OKAY. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER HALE MAY THE SECOND, SECOND MADE BY, I'M SORRY, I'M SECOND. SO, SO WERE THOSE FOR BOTH ITEMS? FOR BOTH THOSE ITEMS? WHICH TOTAL? 87. I'LL SECOND. THE MOTION SECOND IS MADE BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN VOTE ON THE FIRST ONE. THIS, THIS WE DID ON THE, ON THE, ON THE 50. WE ALREADY VOTED ON THAT. OH, WE DID? YES. THERE WAS A MOTION BY A COMMISSIONER WALDEN SECOND BY YOU AND THEN ON THE, YES. ON THE JP THREE. SO WE VOTED ON THIS ALREADY? YES. I THIS WOULD BE JUST FOR THE 30. OKAY. YEAH, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T SCRATCH IT OUT. OKAY. WE HAD ANOTHER VOTE. YOU WITHDRAW THE MOTION. AND SECOND PLEASE. TOGETHER. I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO. I'D LIKE TO COVER THESE BOTH IN ONE, YEAH. ONE MOTION. UH, SO, SO WITHDRAW THIS AND ADD THAT SECOND ITEM TO EITHER WAY. UH, JUST ADD THE SECOND ITEM TO IT AND JUST CONTINUE WITH THE VOTE. [02:40:01] AND I HAVE A REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE, UH, I WANT TO APPROPRIATE THE, THE, THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF FUNDING HERE FOR THESE TWO ITEMS. AND IF ONE OF THEM SHOULD COST A THOUSAND DOLLARS MORE, THE OTHER ONE A THOUSAND DOLLARS LESS, THAT THE FLEXIBILITY BE IN PLACE TO COMPLETE BOTH OF THESE PROJECTS WITH THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE ARE ALLOCATING HERE. OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? CURIOUS. FIVE. OH, JUST A QUICK NOTE, UM, THAT TERRY WITH THE HISTORIC COMMISSION WILL BE HERE IN ABOUT SEVEN OR EIGHT MINUTES. THAT'D BE PERFECT. TIME TO TAKE A BREAK FOR SEVEN OR EIGHT MINUTES, WOULDN'T IT? IT WON'T TAKE A WHILE. YOU GOT SOMETHING IMPORTANT? DO YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO THE NON CAP FOR THE DEATHS? OR YOU'D STILL WANT I GUESS MORE INFORMATION ON MORE OF THOSE, MORE INFORMATION FOR ME. OKAY. YEAH, I'D LIKE TO TAKE A BREAK IF WE COULD JUDGE. I'D LIKE TO TAKE A BREAK. WE COULD. OKAY. WE'LL, RECESS AT 1153. IT'S 12 O'CLOCK. 1205. UH, WE DO HAVE TERRY FROM THE, UH, HISTORIC COMMISSION THAT HAS ARRIVED. I APOLOGIZE. ARE YOU ON BREATH, TERRY? YES. AND VERY NERVOUS. NERVOUS . WHAT CAN I DO FOR YOU? WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE, UH, I MEAN WE'RE SITTING HERE OBVIOUSLY WITH, UH, I BELIEVE, UH, WHAT I WAS TOLD WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE SEVEN AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF REQUESTS AND $2.8 MILLION WORTH OF MONEY AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GONNA BALANCE ALL THAT. YES, SIR. SO TALK TO US ABOUT THE, UH, TALK TO US ABOUT THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION AND, UH, THE, THE HOUSE AND, AND WHAT YOUR BUDGET REQUESTS ARE. OKAY. UM, WE HAVE BEEN VERY ACTIVE. UM, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON. WE'RE MAKING HEADWAY WITH THE COMMUNITY, GETTING THEM AWARE OF US. AS YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN, IF YOU TAKE THE DEMOCRAT AND THE COMMUNITY NEWS, WE'VE BEEN ON THE FRONT PAGE TWO OR THREE TIMES FOR OUR ACTIVITIES AND FOR THE HOUSE. UM, WE HAVE HAD, UM, AS BRENDA WENT OVER, UM, MONDAY WITH Y'ALL, UM, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL CONSULTANTS TO GIVE US, UM, OPINIONS OF, OR THEIR A THEIR CONSULTANTS. THEY HAVE, UM, GIVEN US THEIR REPORTS OF EVALUATIONS OF THE HOUSE AND THE WORK THAT IT NEEDS AT THE PROMPTING. MARK, I'M GONNA THROW YOU UNDER THE BUS. OKAY. AT THE PROMPTING OF MARK LONG, UH, WE REQUESTED A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR, UH, RENOVATIONS THAT ARE NEEDED PRETTY MUCH, PRETTY QUICKLY. THIS IS NOT ANY KIND OF INTERIOR DESIGN. IT'S, UM, THINGS LIKE, UH, WINDOWS IN THE EXTERIOR AND, UH, THE ROOF STUFF THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO KEEP THE HOUSE FROM FALLING APART. WE HAVE NOT EVEN STARTED TALKING ABOUT DOING ANYTHING TO THE INTERIOR. UM, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS ALL EXTERIOR WORK THAT WE'RE REQUESTING. WE'VE ALSO REQUESTED AN INCREASE IN BUDGET FOR THINGS LIKE, UM, UM, GRANTS, UM, MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL ARE AWARE, HISTORICAL MARKERS ARE NOW $2,500 A PIECE. AND THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF OUR COMMISSION IS TO WRITE MARKERS, UH, EVALUATE OTHERS APPLICATIONS. WE GENERALLY DON'T PAY FOR ONE IN FULL, BUT WE DO GIVE GRANTS TO PEOPLE THAT ARE ASKING FOR A MARKER. WE DO A 50 50 MATCHING GRANT. UM, AND, UM, WHAT ELSE WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, UH, I THINK EVERYBODY HERE UNDERSTANDS AND APPRECIATES THE WORK THAT, THAT Y'ALL DO. AND, UH, OUR, OUR DILEMMA IS WE DON'T HAVE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO PUT INTO THOSE TYPES OF THINGS RIGHT NOW. AND SO WE WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN GET THAT FUNDED. RIGHT. IT'S PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE THROUGH, UH, UH, WE NEED SOME KIND OF PARTNERSHIP. WE NEED SOME KIND OF FUNDRAISING ACTIVITIES. WE NEED SOMETHING SO THAT WE CAN LOOK OUT HERE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, TO PULL A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS OUT FOR THIS, UH, START LOOKING AT, WE RECOGNIZE Y'ALL GOT SOME MONEY IN THE, IN THE BANK. AND WE DO THOSE KINDS OF THINGS TOO. AND, AND WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH, UM, THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT AND PUTTING SOME OF OUR MONEY INTO IT UNTIL WE GET A 5 0 1 C3 ORGANIZED, WHICH WOULD BE A [02:45:01] FRIENDS OF PARKER COUNTY HISTORICAL COMMISSION. WE CAN'T REALLY RAISE FUNDS FROM OUTSIDE BECAUSE WE HAVE NOWHERE TO PUT IT YET. RIGHT. UH, THE FRIENDS ORGANIZATION. AND WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS THAT AS WE SPEAK. UM, BUT THE FRIENDS OF WOULD BE A, UM, NOT A FOUNDATION, BUT I'VE LOST THE OTHER WORD FOR CHARITY. A CHARITY ORGANIZATION, NONPROFIT, NON-PROFIT. UM, AND AT THAT TIME, THEN WE COULD START RAISING MONEY. YEAH. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY QUESTIONS THE NEED. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE COULD RIGHT. LIKE I, I THINK I MADE THIS COMMENT WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ACQUIRING THAT BUILDING. WE CAN HELP YOU ACQUIRE IT, BUT WE PROBABLY CAN'T PAY THE AMOUNT THAT IT WOULD TAKE TO, TO RIGHT. TO FULLY FUND THAT. UH, TALK ABOUT ONE OF THING. AND THAT WOULD BE THE, UH, A BRIDGE OVER THE, UH, BRA RIVER. BRA RIVER. YES. THAT PROJECT AS WELL. UH, THAT, AND THAT'S NOT EVEN ON THIS BUDGET. UM, WE HAVE A TEAMS MEETING WITH THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION, TDOT PRESERVATION, TEXAS, UH, CONNOR HERITAGE HERTRICH, UM, WORKS ON ENDANGERED PLACES. UM, SO, SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE BANISTER BRIDGE ON THE SERVICE ROAD, WHICH IS THE OLD HIGHWAY 80, RIGHT OVER THE BRAZOS RIVER, THE BIG BEAUTIFUL TRUSS BRIDGE. RIGHT. THE, THE TRUSS BRIDGE THERE. AND, AND SO THAT BRIDGE IS SCHEDULED FOR DEMOLITION. AND SO NEXT YEAR, SO YEAH, THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION CAME FORWARD AND, AND IT ALREADY IS FUNDED TOO, BY THE WAY, FROM TEXDOT TO REPLACE THAT BRIDGE MM-HMM . AND SO THEY CAME BACK AND SAID, GOSH, WE HATE FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT ARE SOME ALTERNATIVES? AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE MEETING THAT SHE'S DESCRIBING. AND THAT WOULD BE, UM, UM, AS THAT BRIDGE IS, IS REPLACED, TAKING AT LEAST A PORTION OF THAT BRIDGE AND MOVING IT TO ANOTHER SITE. AND TEXTILES WILLING TO DO THAT. IT'S JUST SOMETHING THEY'VE DONE. ANOTHER LOCATIONS, AND PROBABLY NOT THE WHOLE BRIDGE, BUT A PORTION OF THE BRIDGE, I THINK IS WHAT I WAS HEARING. IT'S FORGED SECTION FOUR TRUSSES. MM-HMM . UM, BILL WARREN, WHO IS IN MEXICO RIGHT NOW, I'M GONNA SHOOT HIM. UM, UM, HE HAS DEVELOPED ANOTHER ROUTE FOR THE REPLACEMENT BRIDGE. AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA SPEAK TO THEM ABOUT AT THE TEAMS MEETING. I KNOW, LARRY, YOU'VE GOTTEN AN INVITATION TO IT. I HAVE. AND, UM, WE'VE JUST BEEN NOTIFIED THAT GENTLEMEN FROM COMMUN, UM, ALITO COMMUNITY NEWS IS YEAH. WANTING TO BE THERE. SO THE, THE REASON I'M BRINGING THAT UP, 'CAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA TAKE PLACE PROBABLY DURING THIS, THIS YEAR, THIS BUDGET YEAR. MM-HMM . IS, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO ANTICIPATE WHAT THE NEEDS MIGHT BE THERE, LOOKING AT THIS MM-HMM . BEFORE LONG, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME REAL MONEY HERE. SO, UM, UM, THERE ARE, UH, SEVERAL THINGS HANGING OUT THERE. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE HEADS OR TAILS OUT, I UNDERSTAND OF EVERYTHING. AND, AND TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE THE THINGS THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED AND, AND HOW WE CAN BEST FIT TOGETHER TO HELP. AND, UH, I THINK THAT, UH, THE 5 0 1 C3 THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT COULD HELP AS WELL WITH THE BRIDGE IF THERE IS AN ASSOCIATED COST THERE. YES. MM-HMM . UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT ONE OF THE MEMBERS, UH, HAD DESCRIBED AND DISCUSSED WOULD BE LEAVING THE BRIDGE IN PLACE AND COMING UP WITH AN ALTERNATE ROUTE. SO THOSE ARE ALL THINGS TO BE DISCUSSED AND BROUGHT UP. UM, WHAT I DISCUSSED WITH, WITH TEXDOT IS, UH, IF THEY WERE TO, UH, DISMANTLE THE BRIDGE, THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE ONE SECTION OF THAT BRIDGE AND PUT IT SOMEWHERE ELSE AND PRESERVE IT, UH, FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS. BUT ALL THOSE THINGS ARE, ARE TO BE DETERMINED LATER. I'M JUST TRYING TO, TO DO THAT FOR FULL DISCLOSURE ABOUT WHAT'S ON OUR PLATE HERE AND, AND WHAT THE, THE RAMIFICATIONS COULD BE. I THINK JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, WE WILL, UH, WE'LL TAKE THIS AND, AND PRIORITIZE IT AND, AND HOW IT FITS IN, IN LINE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE, AND DO WHAT WE CAN AND THEN LOOK FOR WAYS TO FULLY FUND THE THINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED. IS THAT FAIR? THAT'S VERY FAIR. AND WE APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S CONSIDERATION. WE APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT MORE THAN Y'ALL KNOW. UM, IT'S, UM, THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION IS, UH, AND THE HISTORY OF PARKER COUNTY IS VERY NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART. AND, UM, [02:50:01] SO WE WANT TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO GET OTHERS IN THE COMMUNITY TO REALIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF HISTORY AND, AND THE TOURISM BENEFITS THAT TOUR, THAT HISTORICAL PRESERVATION CAN BRING ABOUT. SO WE RECOGNIZE THOSE THINGS AND SUPPORT, UH MM-HMM . I THINK THE MESSAGE TO TAKE BACK IS THAT WE CAN'T AFFORD THE REQUEST AND WE'RE, WE'LL, WE WILL DELAY AND GET DOWN TO WHERE WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE. AND, UH, IN, IN THE HIERARCHY OF THINGS, WE'VE, WE'VE DEVELOPED A RATING SCALE THAT RATES THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE AS FIVES MM-HMM . AND THINGS THAT WE WOULD, WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE AS ONES. AND SO YOU'RE GONNA FALL SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE THERE. AND SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT IN THE, YOU'RE NOT A FIVE, I'LL TELL YOU THAT FOR SURE. WELL, THANK YOU, . THAT'S, BUT WE'LL FIT IN THERE SOMEWHERE AND, UH, WE DO THE BEST THAT WE CAN, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE HAVE TO TAKE ACTION ON TODAY. OKAY. BUT I, I THANK YOU FOR COMING FORWARD. I THINK IF WE HAD A, A FIRM COMMITMENT ON WHAT THE AMOUNT WAS THAT, THAT, THAT Y'ALL WERE ABLE TO COMMIT FROM THE MONEY THAT YOU HAVE IN THE BANK TODAY, AND MAYBE A COMMITMENT ON WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO, TO RAISE THERE THAT WE CAN PUT SOME KIND OF A, A FIGURE TOGETHER OF WHAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO AFFORD. IS THAT, IS THAT REASONABLE? PRETTY MUCH, YEAH. AND I'LL BE IN TOUCH WITH BILL AND GET, UM, I KNOW OUR, OUR FUNDS ARE IN CDS, BUT THEY'RE IN STAIR STEP SURE. MATURITIES. SO WE, AND WE DID THAT ON PURPOSE IN CASE WE NEEDED TO PULL SOME YEAH. SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO PULL THE WHOLE CD AND TAKE PENALTY ON IT. SO I'LL FIND OUT WHAT HE'S GOT. YEAH. UH, SO, SO JUST TO BE FAIR, WE'VE GOT THE ENTIRE YEAR HERE, SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S, IT IS A BUDGET YEAR AND IT'S A PLAN. SO, UH, IF YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT Y'ALL MIGHT BE ABLE TO COMMIT, UH, BOTH FROM MONEY THAT YOU'VE ALREADY GOT, AND SECONDLY FROM, FROM MONEY THAT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO RAISE, THEN WE WILL HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT WE THINK WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ALLOCATE TO WHERE WE ARE HERE. OKAY. QUESTION. WE'VE GOT A COUPLE THINGS GOING OUT HERE. WE, WE'VE GOT THIS AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE BRIDGE PROJECT, THE BRIDGE AS WELL. SO THAT I'M, I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT IF WE HAD EXTRA A HUNDRED THOUSAND, WE'D WRITE THE CHECK RIGHT NOW, BUT WE DON'T. SO IT'S GONNA BE SOMEWHAT LESS THAN THAT. RIGHT. UM, BUT THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE PART THAT YOU'RE QUESTIONING IS, IS THE, WELL THE HOUSE, WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING A BUDGET FOR A YEAR HERE FOR THE COUNTY, RIGHT? MM-HMM . AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE EVERY, EVERY PROJECT THAT Y'ALL HAVE LAID OUT THERE. YEAH. OKAY. THE HOUSE IS WHAT WE'RE QUESTIONING. YES. THE OTHER OKAY. THE OTHER EXPENDITURES I THINK ARE IN LINE, UH, BY AND LARGE WITH WHAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST. RIGHT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO ANYBODY, ANYTHING ELSE? ANYBODY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR TERRY? THANK YOU FOR COMING ON SUCH SHORT NOTICE. YEAH, YOU ARE WELCOME. I KNOW MR. WARREN IS OUT OF THE COUNTRY. UH, OBVIOUSLY I INVEST THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION DOLLARS, AND SO WE CAN PROVIDE THAT LADDERED CD STRATEGY, UM, EVEN WHILE HE'S OUT TOWN. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALRIGHTY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR COMING. THANKS, TERRY. ALL RIGHTY. Y'ALL HAVE A GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE THESE ITEMS HERE. I, UM, I'M, I'M JUDGE. I'M, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET ACCOMPLISHED TODAY HERE. AND I'M SEEING THESE, THIS, UH, UH, WE CALL 'EM THE PUBLIC SERVICES PAGE THAT I THINK WE GOT HERE. AND, UH, I WANTED TO, IF WE COULD MOVE INTO THOSE ITEMS AND SEE WHERE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO MAKE SOME HEADWAY THERE. THE, THE, I'M JUST GONNA READ THESE OFF HERE. SO THE, THE MHMR UH, BUDGET REQUEST IS PRETTY WELL A CONTRACTED AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE. I'M LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY OVER HERE WHERE WE'RE SPENDING $24,500 LAST YEAR. AND THAT'S WHAT THE REQUEST IS THIS YEAR. AND THAT AREA IS FOR, UH, MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES. YES. YES. THE ONLY THING THAT WE'VE RECEIVED, I MEAN WE COULD GO DOWN THE LIST, IS, UM, THE ABANDONED CEMETERY SENT SOMETHING AND THAT WAS PROVIDED TO ME. AND THEN, UM, THE COMMITTEE ON AGING, THE SENIOR CENTER I REQUESTED, UM, I HAD NOT RECEIVED A COPY. I GUESS IT HAD BEEN MAILED OUT, UH, EARLIER THIS YEAR, BUT, UM, I HAD NOT RECEIVED A COPY OF WHAT THAT MATCH IS, IF YOU RECALL, UM, THAT WE SEND TO THE COMMITTEE ON AGING, AND THEN THEY SEND THAT TO COG FOR A MATCH ON A GRANT. AND SO, UM, THAT IS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET. THAT AMOUNT IS 7,115. AND SO I ASKED THE, UM, COMMITTEE ON AGING IF THEY HAD ANY ADDITIONAL REQUESTS. [02:55:01] UM, IT WAS FUNDED LAST YEAR AT 45,000. THAT 45,000 INCLUDED THAT MATCH. AND SO, UM, I KNOW THEIR DIRECTOR IS PUTTING SOMETHING TOGETHER, UH, TO THEN BRING BEFORE THE COURT. SO WHEN, WHEN WOULD WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION? I, I CAN ASK OF THE NEXT, THE NEXT TIME WE MEET. YEAH, I CAN ASK, ASK IF, IF THEY, UM, HAVE MET OR BEFORE THAT I'M JUST, JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE YEAH, I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE'RE GONNA GET ACCOMPLISHED TODAY AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO OKAY. PUT OFF UNTIL LATER. SO THIS SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING MISSING. YEAH. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING FOR TODAY. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING FOR TODAY. THE, THE QUESTION THAT I HAD ON THERE, UH, WAS ACTUALLY THE SECOND ITEM. THE EAST PARKER COUNTY LIBRARY. IS THAT WHAT THAT MM-HMM . SO THE, THE EAST PARKER COUNTY LIBRARY I THOUGHT I WAS HEARING WAS GONNA BE TAKEN OVER BY THE CITY OF ALITOS. ANYBODY HAVE ANY UPDATES? IT HAS BEEN. IT HAS BEEN. IT HAS BEEN. ANYBODY HAVE ANY UPDATES ON THAT? YEAH, THEY PURCHASED IT. THEY ACQUIRED IT. THEY MAINTAIN IT. DO WE HAVE A REQUEST FROM THEM? DID THEY HAVE ANY INVOICE FOR THE CURRENT YEAR? BUT IT'S NOT PAID. AND I'M WAITING FOR CONFIRMATION FROM JAMIE ON THE CONTRACT THAT THE CONTRACT GOT COMPLETED. SO I I, SO REALLY, I GUESS THE BEST THING TO DO IS PUT THESE OFF AND PUT 'EM IN OUR POCKET AND BRING 'EM BACK NEXT TIME ON THIS WHOLE LIST RIGHT HERE. WE CAN ONE, UM, THAT THE JUDGE'S OFFICE RECEIVED IS SOMETHING COMPLETELY NEW. IT'S JUST INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET. I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S ANYTHING. I MEAN, WE CAN DISCUSS IT, BUT THAT'S A LARGE AMOUNT. RIGHT. JUST RIGHT. JUST BRINGING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT THIS, THIS REQUESTED OF THE COUNTY, SO IT'S IN THERE. UM, BUT AGAIN, THE ONLY THING THAT ABANDONED CEMETERY, UM, THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE SAME AMOUNT. UM, AND THEN THE COG MATCH OF THE 7,115. AGAIN, IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL, WE, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE WEATHERFORD LIBRARY. HAVE THEY ACCEPTED ANY OF THE DOLLARS ALLOCATED TO THEM? SO THEY HAVE NOT ACCEPTED IT? WE, WE MADE THAT AVAILABLE TO THE, UH, FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY. YEAH. HAVE THERE BEEN ANY REQUESTS FOR REIMBURSEMENT? SO THERE HAVE NOT BEEN STILL THE SAME PROGRAMS IN PLACE. THEY HAVE A VERY HEALTHY FUND THEMSELVES. I THINK I UNDERSTAND. COMMISSIONER, CAN I ASK YOU, UM, ON YOU WANTING TO NOT TAKE NO ACTION TODAY, AND I, I'M JUST BEING THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE HERE, IS THERE ANYTHING IN HERE THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS OR BRING TO YOU IN PREPARATION FOR OUR FUTURE DISCUSSION ON THIS? WELL, I'M, I, WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS APPROVE THIS ENTIRE LIST WHEN WE HAD ALL THE INFORMATION, BUT I DON'T HAVE INFORMATION FROM THIS, THE EAST PARK COUNTY LIBRARY. I DON'T REALLY, WE'RE JUST APPROVING LAST YEAR'S AMOUNT FROM M-M-H-M-R IN THE PAST. WE'VE HAD SOMEBODY FROM MHMR COME HERE AND TELL US WHAT THEIR, WHAT THEIR NUMBER IS. COKE BEATTY HAS COME HERE EVERY YEAR SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE TO TELL US WHAT THAT NUMBER IS. IF THAT'S A GOOD NUMBER, THEN I COULD APPROVE THAT. UH, THE OTHERS THAT WE HEARD FROM EVERYBODY ELSE ON THE LIST. NO, WE'LL, WE'LL CHECK ON THAT. WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL WORK ON THAT. FOR EXAMPLE, THE, THE CHILD WELFARE BOARD. UH, CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES. WE JUST HAVE A NUMBER. HAS THAT BEEN REQUESTED OR THEY NEED MORE OR LESS OR I I DIDN'T WANT TO, I DON'T, I'M NOT, YEAH, I DON'T RECEIVE THOSE. I JUST, I, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE CONTACT WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE NOT GIVING AN, AN AMOUNT HERE AND THEN HAVE TO COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, IT'S MORE OR LESS THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR. UNDERSTOOD. THE ONLY THING, THE ONLY THING THAT ONE, OH, GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. UH, ONE THAT'S NOT ON HERE 'CAUSE IT'S PAID FROM A DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT. UM, BUT THE SOIL AND WATER CONSERVATION. YEP. I HAVEN'T RECEIVED, I MEAN, NORMALLY ALL THAT GOES TO THE JUDGE'S OFFICE, BUT I HAVEN'T BEEN PROVIDED ANYTHING THAT THEIR REQUEST BECAUSE I WAS TOLD THAT HAD BEEN SUBMITTED. I'LL VISIT WITH YOU ABOUT THAT LATER. THE ONLY THING THAT I, I, I, I LOOKED AT THIS LIST AND I, UH, I WOULD BE MORE THAN COMFORTABLE WITH APPROVING THE LIST EXCEPT FOR THE EAST PARKER COUNTY LIBRARY. WE NEED MORE INFORMATION THERE. AND WE WILL RENAME THAT LINE. NOW THAT IT'S THE, AND THE WEATHERFORD CHANGED. DIDN'T CHANGED. JUST SO, JUST SO IT AVOIDS CONFUSION GOING FORWARD. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY REASON TO WHY WE NEED TO TAKE 'EM OFF THE LIST TO ALLOCATE THAT AMOUNT AND HAVE IT JUST SIT THERE. YES. RIGHT. SO I HAD A QUESTION. POSSIBLY REDUCE IT IF IS THE AMOUNT THAT'S ALLOCATED FOR THESE DIFFERENT LIBRARIES, IS IT BASED OFF OF A HEAD COUNT OR USAGE? OR WHERE ARE THESE NUMBERS COMING FROM, DO WE KNOW? CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT. I THINK, I MEAN, WEATHERFORD, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, IT WAS JUST, HERE WAS SOME NUMBERS, AND I THINK ONE YEAR SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, THERE WAS AN INCREASE, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW THE INITIAL NUMBERS WERE SET UP. I THINK IT'S JUST THE HISTORICAL NUMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN BEEN CARRIED FORWARD. THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S, I'M SAYING I THINK THAT'S ACCURATE. I MEAN, CERTAINLY THESE ARE NEEDS, BUT I'D KIND OF LIKE TO HEAR FROM 'EM. MAYBE WE DON'T NEED AS MUCH IN ONE OF THESE LINES OR SOMETHING. YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? THAT'S THE ONLY THING I WAS SAYING. THERE'S NOTHING, NOTHING IN THESE LINES THAT, UH, WERE PROBABLY GOING TO REDUCE. [03:00:01] I WAS GONNA ABANDON CEMETERY. IT'S BEEN, IT WAS 10,000 FOREVER. THEY WENT UP TWO, THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO TO 11,000. I WAS GONNA MAKE IT FOR 12,000. SO THEY, I KNOW THAT THEY, THEIR COSTS HAVE GONE UP. BUT E EVERYTHING ELSE ON THERE I THINK IS STATIC. BUT I, I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE'D GOTTEN REQUESTS FOR THIS AMOUNT OR WE'RE JUST GOING TO BLINDLY ALLOCATE WHAT LAST YEAR'S NUMBER WAS, AND THEN HAVE SOMEBODY LIKE HIM AT MR COME ALONG AND SAY, WELL, THAT'S NOT ENOUGH. WE NEED MORE. THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING, WELL, ALL THE LIBRARIES HAVE ALWAYS WANTED MORE MONEY AND WE JUST DON'T GIVE 'EM MORE. MM-HMM . AND, AND I, I'M NOT IN, I DON'T WANT TO GIVE 'EM MORE TO NOW, BUT YEAH. BUT, SO I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE THE WEATHER FOR OFF AND THE EAST PARKER COUNTY OFFICE LIFT. SO WHY DON'T WE DO A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH ON THOSE AND FIND OUT SO WE DON'T HAVE TO VISIT 'EM. BUT, BUT THE, THE OTHERS, I THINK PROBABLY, I MEAN, SOME OF THESE, SOME OF THESE ARE FOLKS THAT ARE GETTING MONEY FROM THE CHILD, CHILD SAFETY. THE, UH, SOME OF THESE ON THIS LIST ARE GETTING MONEY FROM THE COUNTY AND OTHER AREAS. AND I, UH, YOU KNOW, THOSE NUMBERS, ARE THEY INCREASING, DECREASING, OR WOULD SAY INCREASING? THEY'RE INCREASING, AREN'T THEY? NOT. AND SO THAT WOULD GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY, BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTING, THEY'RE GETTING THE, JENNY, WHY DON'T YOU COME TALK ABOUT THAT JUST A MINUTE. SO EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING THERE. YEAH. SO WE ENROLLED IN A CHILD SAFETY FUND. SO EVERY TIME SOMEONE RENEWS THEIR REGISTRATION, A DOLLAR 50 OF THAT GOES INTO THIS FUND. UH, WE CURRENTLY HAVE THREE ENTITIES THAT RECEIVE FUNDING FOR THAT. AND I DON'T KNOW WHO ALL'S ON YOUR LIST, BUT CPS BOARD, CASA AND THE CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY CENTER ALL RECEIVE FUNDS AND WE HAVE SURPASSED WHAT THEY'VE REQUESTED EVERY YEAR. SO THEY ARE GETTING MORE FUNDS AND REQUESTED. SO THEY MAY OFFSET SOME OF WHAT THE COUNTY IS BEING REQUESTED TO FUND. YEAH. FROM PS BOARD. OH, IT IS. YEAH. SO CPS BOARD DOES GET FUNDING FROM US. YEAH. AND THEN WE'VE GOT, WE'VE BEEN PAYING THEM, UH, 34,600 FROM HERE. YES. IN ADDITION. RIGHT. SO I MEAN, SOMEBODY NEEDS TO MAKE CONTACT AND VISIT WITH THEM ABOUT IT, UH, ABOUT HOW MUCH THEY'RE GETTING FROM THE, FROM US YEAH. CHILD SAFETY FUND OR WHATEVER IT IS THERE. AND, AND SO I, I WOULD JUDGE YOU ASK WHAT OTHER ADDITIONAL INFORMATION I'D LIKE TO, THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE, WE WE HAVE WHAT WE NEED. OKAY. SAME THING WITH THE SENIOR CENTER. UH, ARE WE COVERING THE AMOUNT OF THEIR REIMBURSEMENTS? UH, IS THIS A NUMBER THAT'S GOOD. DO WE NEED TO STAY WITH THAT OR DO WE NEED, I MEAN, I'M JUST ASKING THAT ONE. I NORMALLY THE JUDGE'S OFFICE HANDLES THAT, BUT I DID, UH, REACH OUT TO KIRSTY SMITH, A DIRECTOR BECAUSE I, OKAY. SO WE HAVE SOME HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY, UM, THE LETTER FOR THE COG MATCH. AND SO THEN I ASKED IF THEIR REQUEST WAS CHANGING AT ALL AND THAT THEY WERE FINALIZING THAT, AND THEN WOULD YEAH. BRING IT TO THE COURT. SO THAT'S THAT ONE MAY, THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I, I WOULD SAY DELAY IT OTHERWISE IS INX. I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY GO DOWN THROUGH THE LIST VERY WELL HERE. OKAY. THEN WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT ONE. AND THEN DO Y'ALL WANT TO ADJOURN FOR LUNCH OR I MOVE FORWARD ON E? WHAT ELSE HAVE WE GOT? A LOT. WHAT ELSE HAS TO BE DONE TODAY? I GUESS THAT'S THE QUESTION. THAT'D BE, WE HAVE FOLKS HERE WHO HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO DO. A LOT PROBABLY CAME TO SPEAK TO AS WELL, WHETHER EMPLOYEE REQUEST. SAY THAT AGAIN. SOME OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS ARE PROBABLY HERE TO SPEAK ON. WE COULD CERTAINLY HEAR THOSE. UH, I, I'M NOT TRYING TO PUSH ANYTHING DOWN, JUDGE ON THESE PUBLIC SERVICES REQUESTS, BUT IF WE HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION, I THINK ON THOSE, WE GOT IT THREE ITEMS THERE, THEN WE CAN, WE CAN KNOCK THAT OUT AS WELL. UH, WHO WANTS TO ADDRESS THE PUBLIC? I MEAN THE, UH, NEW EMPLOYER REQUEST FOR THOSE THAT ARE PRESENT? SORRY, ONE THING, UM, JUST TO KIND OF ADD, UM, FROM THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION. SO, UM, THE GENERAL FUND CURRENTLY HAS, WHICH IT JUST GOT ROLLED OVER, SO IT'LL NEED TO BE ADJUSTED, BUT LAST YEAR THE REQUEST WAS 37,500, AND THAT TRANSFER IS SITTING IN THE GENERAL FUND RIGHT NOW. SO AGAIN, ANY CHANGES TO THAT, WHETHER AN INCREASE OR DECREASE WILL NEED TO BE ADJUSTED, BUT THAT MUCH IS CURRENTLY IN, IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET. SO YOU KNOW THAT OKAY, WE PAID LAST YEAR, CORRECT? YES. ALL RIGHT. SO THANK YOU. SO YOU [II.M. Additional Employee Salary Requests and/or New Positions. (Becky McCullough / Judge Deen)] WANT TO GO TO ITEM, ITEM ON THE ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEE? IT'S ALREADY REQUEST, IS THAT THE ONE, IS THAT THE ITEM THAT WE WANT TO DO? UH, YEAH, WE, SO THE, THE REASON I WAS SAYING THAT IS BECAUSE HAVING A, THE SIDE DISCUSSION OVER HERE, UM, [03:05:01] WE DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT. WE NEED TO KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT BEFORE WE, I MEAN, WE CAN HEAR REQUESTS OR WHATEVER. WE CAN HEAR ALL THE THINGS, BUT, BUT FROM, FROM ME PERSONALLY, I NEED TO KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT, WHERE WE'RE SITTING, HOW MUCH WE'VE SPENT OF WHAT'S THERE. AND YOU KNOW, I, I CAN'T, I'M, I'M REACHING THE POINT WHERE I'M BLIND, UH, AS FAR AS WHAT WE GOT TO PAY FOR. OKAY. SO, SO FAR YOU'VE APPROVED IN CAP, NON CAP ITEMS? UM, 1.9 MILLION. OKAY. GIVE OR TAKE. THAT'S JUST WHAT WE APPROVED. YES. OKAY. THEN WE'VE GOT A, THEN WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT, YOU STILL HAVE 5.7 MILLION THAT YOU HAVEN'T APPROVED. THAT INCLUDES TOWER, THAT INCLUDES THE RADIO TOWERS. OKAY. THE RADIO TOWERS. THAT ALSO, THAT ALSO INCLUDES, UH, NEW EMPLOYEE CAP, NON CAP. SO IF, WHEN THOSE NEW EMPLOYEES COME IN, THEN WE HAVE THE CAPTAIN NON CAP THAT ACCOMPANIES THOSE. THAT HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED AT ALL. AND, UH, UM, SO I'M NOT SURE THAT, UM, I, I'M, I'M JUST NOT SURE THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE DECISIONS ON THOSE, SOME OF THOSE EMPLOYER REQUESTS RIGHT NOW, WE NEED TO LOOK AT 'EM AND SEE WHERE WE ARE ON 'EM. SORRY. BUT, UH, IT, IT, IT GETS DIFFICULT WHEN WE DO IT. WE'VE NOT TALKED ABOUT ANY KIND OF A, UH, CURRENT EMPLOYEE COLA AND WHAT THE COST OF THAT WOULD BE AND WHERE WE WOULD BE IN THAT POSITION. SO SOME OF THAT, UH, AFFECTS THESE NEW EMPLOYEES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TOO. ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD THAT? ARE WE GOING TO SPEND MONEY? YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT A DEAL FROM, FROM, UH, THE, THE TREASURER OVER HERE THAT TELLS ME WHAT THOSE COLA COSTS ARE GOING TO BE. AND UH, I'VE GOT A FIGURE IN MY HEAD HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL MONEY WE HAVE TO SPEND. AND THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE ABOUT TO COLLIDE. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AS WE'RE TALKING, HAVING THIS CONVERSATION IS OBVIOUSLY TO TALK ABOUT FUND BALANCE, WHICH IT'S A GREAT THING TO RIGHT. HAVE THAT, UM, FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS OR WHATEVER IT IS. AND SO THIS IS ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, I I THINK IT'S A STRUGGLE GIVING THE PROJECTED FUND BALANCE, AND IT'S ABSOLUTELY IMPORTANT FOR YOUR DECISION MAKING OF WHEN YOU'RE APPROVING THINGS, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. UM, AGAIN, I, I THINK I ALWAYS GIVE THE SAME SPIEL AS IT IS A PROJECTION. THERE ARE LOTS OF MOVING THINGS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY AS WE GET WHERE WE, YOU KNOW, HAVE A 80 PLUS MILLION DOLLAR BUDGET, THAT'S ON BOTH SIDES, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE PROJECTING, UM, EXPENDITURES AS WELL AS THE REVENUE ON ALL OF THOSE. SO I THINK I CAN GET THE NUMBER, BUT I THINK LAST YEAR WHEN I DID A PROJECTION, THERE WAS A $3 MILLION DIFFERENCE. AND THAT'S SIGNIFICANT IN THE DECISION MAKING. BUT AGAIN, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT $80 MILLION ON BOTH SIDES, GIVE OR TAKE A MILLION AND A HALF ON EACH, YOU KNOW, WERE WE THREE STILL PRETTY GOOD? UH, WE WERE THREE ADDITIONAL, OUR FUND BALANCE ENDED UP BEING THREE HIGHER THAN WE EXPECTED. MM-HMM . MM-HMM . AND YOU KNOW, A BIG PART OF THAT IS ALSO WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT LIKE INTEREST. AND SO THE GENERAL FUND, AS I TALKED ABOUT THIS, IF THE, UM, SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS, IT'S NOT SPECIFIC THAT THEY HAVE TO RETAIN THAT INTEREST, WE DO A TRANSFER. SO THOSE THINGS, YOU KNOW, COME INTO ACCOUNT AS WELL AS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CAPITAL ROLLOVER PROJECTS. SO WHEN I DID THE ESTIMATE, UM, SOME OF THAT IS, WELL, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT? AND SO IF WE DON'T EXPECT THOSE EXPENDITURES TILL NEXT YEAR, IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN HERE, BUT YES, YOU'RE BEING REAPPROPRIATED SO IT ALREADY IS KIND OF RESERVED. SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF MOVING PIECES. AND SO, UM, WHAT I DID IS I TOOK THE HISTORICAL EXPENDITURES. SO I TOOK THE, UM, JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU SOME AMOUNT. SO IN FISCAL YEAR 22, OUR BUDGET INCREASED BY 15% OVER THE PRIOR, PRIOR YEAR. IN 2023, IT INCREASED BY 15% OVER THE PRIOR YEAR IN 2024, 11%. AND THEN IN THE CURRENT BUDGET, WHEN WE COMPARE THAT TO THE PRIOR YEAR, IT WAS 8%. SO AGAIN, OUR BUDGET CONTINUES TO GROW. WE'VE HAD THOSE CONVERSATION AS TO WHYS. SO, UM, AGAIN, THAT COMES INTO IT AS YOUR BUDGET GROWS IN LOOKING AT WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY EXPENDING, UM, ADDS TO THAT. SO IF WE LOOK AT A FIVE YEAR AVERAGE ON, UM, HISTORICAL ACTUALS, THE FIVE YEAR AVERAGE IS WE SPEND 92% OF THE BUDGET. SO AGAIN, AS OUR BUDGET GROWS AND 8% ISN'T USED, THAT BECOMES A VERY LARGE NUMBER. MM-HMM . UM, AND SO WHAT I DID FOR THE FUND BALANCE PROJECTION, THAT IS A REQUIREMENT THAT GOES ON THE TAX NOTICE THAT THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT GIVES TO US TO, TO POST. AND SO, UM, I TOOK THE BEGINNING FUND BALANCE, AND THIS IS UNRESTRICTED. [03:10:01] SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, YOU SEE THERE'S AN UNRESTRICTED PORTION AND THEN THERE'S TOTAL FUND BALANCE. THE RESTRICTED IS, UM, FOR PURPOSES OF OUR FINANCIAL REPORTING, NOT ONLY IS FUND 10 REPORTED IN THE GENERAL FUND, BUT ANY FUND THAT IS WHOLLY OPERATED BY, BY GENERAL FUND MONEY, BY TRANSFERS. SO, UM, THAT IS THE BELL BONDS BOARD, THAT IS THE JURY FUND. UM, AND THEN THE COUNTY FUNDED PORTION OF JUVENILE PROBATION, J-J-A-E-P AS WELL AS ADULT PROBATION. AND SO THOSE ALL GET ROLLED UP INTO THE GENERAL FUND. SO ANYTHING IN THERE, UM, OR IF WE HAVE PAYABLE SAY FOR, UM, THE, UH, STATE FEES THAT WE JUST HAVEN'T REMITTED TO THE STATE, THAT IS ALSO INCLUDED IN THAT RESTRICTED BECAUSE IT IS NOT MONEY OF THE COUNTY. SO JUST TO GIVE YOU KIND OF A DEFINITION OF WHAT THAT UNRESTRICTED VERSUS, UH, RESTRICTED. SO IF I LOOK AT THE UNRESTRICTED FUND BALANCE, UM, I WENT THROUGH JUST KIND OF LOOKING BY OBJECT CODES, SUPPLIES, TRAINING, ALL THE THINGS. AGAIN, WE STILL HAVE THREE MONTHS TO GO. BIG PIECE OF THAT ATTORNEY'S FEES WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE A PO OR A C**T SITTING OUT THERE 'CAUSE THEY'RE PAID ON COURT ORDER. AND THEN AGAIN, ALL THE CAPITAL, NON-CAPITAL PROJECTS LOOKING AT THAT. AND SO WHEN I DID THAT ESTIMATE A PROJECTION, I PROJECTED THAT WE'RE GONNA SPEND 90% OF THIS CURRENT YEAR'S BUDGET. UM, AGAIN, I TOLD YOU THE FIVE YEAR AVERAGE IS 92%. SO THEN I TOOK AN AVERAGE OF THE FIVE YEAR AVERAGE AND THE PROJECTED, WHICH IS ABOUT 91%. AND THEN WE LOOKED THROUGH OUR REVENUE STREAMS AND BASED ON CURRENT COLLECTIONS PROJECTED OUT THE REST OF THE YEAR. UM, SO WITH THOSE, UH, I PROJECTED THAT THE ENDING FUND BALANCE WOULD BE ABOUT 44.1 MILLION, UM, WHICH IS A $863,000 INCREASE OVER THE PRIOR YEAR. AGAIN, THAT IS A MOVING TARGET AS WE'RE EVEN TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UM, WHAT I SHOWED IS ROLLOVER FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS AND WHAT MAY GET COMPLETED. OBVIOUSLY ANY OF THAT WOULD THEN DECREASE THAT AMOUNT, BUT EITHER WAY IT'S GONNA ROLL OVER TO NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET TO BE REAPPROPRIATED TO DECREASE IT. BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO SEE, UM, AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT ADDITIONAL REVENUE WE HAD, BUT THEN WHAT WE HAVE IN FUND BALANCE THAT CAN BE USED FOR, UM, APPROVALS. SO WHAT DO WE PUT, WHAT DOES THAT PUT US AT AS A PERCENTAGE BASIS? UM, I GUESS THAT WOULD DEPEND IF WE JUST LOOK AT WHAT OUR CURRENT BUDGET IS BASED OFF OF WHAT WE, UM, YEAH, SO IT'S ABOUT 51%, WHICH I, I'VE, I'VE SAID THIS AGAIN, I THINK IT'S GONNA INCREASE I THAT 86 MILLION. I MEAN, I GUESS DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS, THAT NUMBER WILL INCREASE. SO, SO THAT PERCENTAGE WILL GO DOWN. YEAH. BUT WE ARE ON THE HIGH END. YES. SURE. IF FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, EVERYTHING THAT I'VE HEARD IS GOOD. AND IF THIS IS WRONG, SOMEONE PLEASE EDUCATE ME. IS THAT THE GENERAL RECOMMENDED RANGE TO BE IN IS 25 TO 50% FOR YOUR FUND BALANCE. IT'S UNRESTRICTED. I'M UNCOMFORTABLE BEING ON THE HIGH END OF THAT, SIMPLY BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF GOVERNMENT HOLDING ON TO MORE OF TAXPAYER MONEY AT ANY ONE TIME THAN WE NEED TO. THAT BEING SAID, WE DON'T WANT TOO LOW OF A FUND BALANCE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT CONSERVATIVE EITHER TO RUN OUT OF MONEY. UM, SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE THIS COURT TO JUST KEEP IN MIND THAT, UH, I'D, I'D LIKE US TO KEEP THE TAX RATE AS LOW AS WE CAN RELATIVE TO THAT FUND BALANCE. UM, I THINK THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. I THINK ONE OTHER THING THAT A LOT OF THIS FUND BALANCE, RIGHT, TO LOOK AT THE FUND BALANCE IS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT IS, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE JUST SOMEONE LOOKS AT IT THAT'S SITTING ON TAXPAYER DOLLARS, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AS WHAT IS YOUR PLAN FOR THAT. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A VERY EXPENSIVE TWO TOWERS AND THEN DOWN THE LINE ADDITIONAL. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, CAN, THAT THE COURT CAN DO TOO, IS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT UNRESTRICTED OR RESTRICTED, YOU KNOW, REALLY KIND OF LOOKING AT THAT. AND IF WE KNOW WE HAVE SOME THINGS DOWN THE LINE OR, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY OUR BUILDINGS ARE OLD AND DIFFERENT THINGS, YOU CAN RESTRICT A PORTION FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS. SO IT'S, WE MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATING IT THIS YEAR, BUT WE DO HAVE PLANS FOR IT OUT IN THE FUTURE. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT HAVE WE NOT USED IN THEORY FUND BALANCE TO BALANCE OUR BUDGET PROBABLY THE LAST FIVE YEARS OR LONGER? YES, PRETTY MUCH, YES. LONGER THAN THAT. AND, AND AGAIN, I THINK IT IS DIFFICULT WHEN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE GONNA USE THIS MUCH FROM FUND BALANCE AND THEN WHEN WE GET TO ACTUALS IT'S DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL RIGHT, CONSIDER, CONSIDER VERY HEAVILY WHEN YOU MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS OF, YOU KNOW, ON THE REVENUE SIDE, WE LOOK AT THOSE, WE TRY A LOT OF THOSE, [03:15:01] YOU KNOW, WE WILL, WHEN WE GO BACK AND DO PROJECTIONS, WE'LL LOOK AT WHAT OUR ACTUALS WERE AND THEN WHAT THE CURRENT BUDGET IS AND IT'S LIKE, WOW, WE, WE WERE ON IT AND THEN THE NEXT YEAR IT EITHER GOES UP OR DOWN. SO THAT'S PART OF IT. AND THEN OF COURSE ON THE EXPENSE SIDE, YEAH, THAT, SO I, I THINK THAT IT'S A BIG PIECE. SO WHAT, WHAT Y'ALL HAVE DONE, UH, FOR BUDGETING PURPOSES IS, HAS BEEN PHENOMENAL TO COME AS CLOSE AS WE HAVE COME WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT A BUDGET OF $84 MILLION AND TO BE, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THAT RANGE THERE. UH, BUT IT'S MORE THAN FIVE YEARS. WE HAVE USED FUND BALANCE TO, TO BALANCE OUR BUDGET, WHICH IS A, A PLAN FOR JUDGE. I MEAN, UH, GEORGE 10 YEARS OR LONGER, LONGER, LONGER. EVERY YEAR I'VE BEEN HERE. SO WE'VE, WE HAVE IN THEORY USED FUND BALANCE TO BALANCE OUR BUDGET, WHICH MAKES US SWEAT UP HERE BECAUSE WE RECOGNIZE THAT IF WE USE SOMETHING FROM FUND BALANCE THAT COMES, ACTUALLY COMES FROM FUND BALANCE AND IT'S A RECURRING EXPENSE, THEN THERE'S A, THERE'S AMOUNT OF TIME THAT YOU HAVE TO SAY, WELL, WE CAN USE IT OUT OF FUND BALANCE, BUT, BUT THEIR TIME WILL COME AND WE CAN NO LONGER DO THAT NOW BECAUSE WE HAVE EXTREMELY CONSERVATIVE PEOPLE ON COURT AND, AND, AND WORKING IN THE COUNTY AND REALLY GOOD DEPARTMENT HEADS, THEY HAVE NOT SPENT ALL THE MONEY. AND SO THAT COMES BACK. AND SO IT'S COME BACK, I THINK AS YOU LEARNED ONE YEAR THAT MAYBE THE FIRST YEAR THAT IT COMES BACK TO US EVERY TIME. SO AT, AT THIS RATE, AT THE TIME THAT WE'RE, UH, SITTING HERE TODAY, UH, NOW I THINK WE KNOW THAT WE CAN EXPEND MONEY FROM FUND BALANCE AND KNOW THAT WE ARE IN A SAFE ZONE OR WE'RE NOT GONNA FALL BELOW THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THREE MONTHS OPERATING, UH, RULE OF THUMB AND, AND BE SAFE IN DOING THAT IN THAT EVERYBODY'S NOT GONNA SPEND ALL THEIR BUDGET THAT GETS BUDGETED EVERY YEAR BECAUSE THEY DON'T GET THE SALARIES AND, AND, UH, EVERYBODY DOESN'T PAY THE FULL AMOUNT THAT THEY POSSIBLY COULD, UH, OF WHAT'S BUDGETED. AND, UH, ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT ARE SITTING OUT THERE THAT COME BACK TO US EACH YEAR. SO YES, UM, NOW IS THE TIME TO SPEND SOME OF THAT MONEY ON THINGS THAT ARE ONE-TIME EXPENSES, UH, FROM FUND BALANCE. BUT WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING. BUT WE, WE RECOGNIZE NOW THAT WE CAN PROBABLY USE A LITTLE BIT MORE. YEAH. AND THAT'S PART OF IT TOO. I, I ALWAYS SHOW TOO, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER KIND OF THAT FINAL SUMMARY, WHICH I STARTED WITH JUST ON TUESDAY TO SHOW HERE'S WHERE WE'RE AT. UM, I ALWAYS SHOW AND BREAK IT OUT WHEN THE USE OF FUND BALANCE, HOW MUCH IS IN CONTINGENCY. 'CAUSE AGAIN, SOMETIMES I, WE, WE DO USE IT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, BUT THEN TO, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY IF THAT NUMBER GROWS, TO BE ABLE, YOU KNOW, TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE IT DURING THE YEAR WITHOUT, FOR EXPENDITURES THAT DON'T CONSTITUTE AN EMERGENCY, YOU KNOW, THAT WAY YOU CAN SEE THIS IS A CONTINGENCY BUILT IN HERE. SO PART THAT YOU'RE SAYING IS COMING FROM FUND BALANCE WOULD ONLY COME AGAIN IF THOSE FUNDS ARE UTILIZED. COMMISSIONER, LET ME, UH, JUST GOING THROUGH THIS AND LOOKING AT WHAT'S ON THIS AGENDA AND LOOKING AT A KIND OF A PRIORITIZATION, AND I'VE ALWAYS PUT TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF YOUR EMPLOYEES AND, AND, AND TRYING TO KEEP THE BEST, THE RETENTION RATE DOWN AND KEEPING YOUR EMPLOYEES AND PAYING THE BEST WE CAN, TRYING TO KEEP AHEAD OF THAT CURVE WHERE I AT ONE POINT KIND OF GOT DOWN BELOW THAT, UM, THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN AN EXPERIENCE SOMETIME IN THE PAST, BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT ADDRESSING SOME OF THESE SALARY BENEFITS SOONER THAN LATER IN DEALING WITH THAT? NO, I'M, I'M REALLY GOOD WITH THAT ABOUT, LET'S SEE, BEFORE, BEFORE WE START LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEES, I THINK WE NEED TO FIRST LOOK AT, I, I AGREE YOU KNOW WHAT A COLA WOULD DO. I AGREE. I THINK WE'VE GOT THAT OVER HERE. BECKY, WHAT PAGE IS THAT ON? IT'S ON THE PINK TAB UNDER FUND 10. YEP. SO IN OUR, OUR BUDGET BOOK HERE, PROVIDED BY THE TREASURER'S OFFICE, WE'VE GOT A, UH, KIND OF A BREAKDOWN THERE OF SOME POTENTIAL COLA NUMBERS AND WHAT A EFFECT THAT THEY WOULD HAVE ON, ON THE BUDGET THERE. I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE INFLATION INDEX IS, AND IT'S A MOVING NUMBER, UH, SEEN DOWN LOW IS WHAT, 200, 2.7 AND THEN 3.3 OR 3.5 OR WHATEVER IT IS. SO IT'S KIND OF, WHO KNOWS WHEN THAT GOES BACK AND FORTH. IT'S AN EVENT TARGET. I, I, AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO, TO TRY TO KEEP AHEAD OF THE CURVE ON THIS. IT'S 'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE'S GONNA HOLD ON THE ECONOMY, BUT I I THINK THE OUTLOOK IS GOOD ON THIS. UH, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE COURT IS GONNA STAND ON THIS, BUT AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP AHEAD OF THAT CURVE AND I WOULD LIKE TO, TO LOOK AT A 5% PER OUR, OUR, IF YOU LOOK AT THE WAY THIS IS BROKEN OUT IN THE BUDGET OR ON THIS AGENDA, IT'S TALKING ABOUT THE, THE COLAS FOR EACH OF THE RESPECTIVE DEPARTMENTS. [03:20:02] UH, I WANT, I WANT TO HOLD OFF ON THE, UH, OR NOT INCLUDE, UNLESS YOU WANT TO INCLUDE THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, BUT MAKE A, MAKE A MOTION FOR THE 5% FOR THE COLAS, UH, FOR THE NON-ELECTED OFFICIALS AND ALSO FOR THE PARKER COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE. SO WHEN WE DO THAT, THEN THAT GIVES US MORE SO WE'RE, WE KNOW WHERE THOSE SALARIES ARE MM-HMM . WE KNOW WHERE, UH, THESE REQUESTED NEW EMPLOYEES WOULD FALL INTO ARE OR ANY RECLASSIFICATION OR EVERYTHING. THEN, THEN WE, WE WILL COME ALONG AND, AND HANDLE THOSE INDIVIDUALLY AND WE'LL DECIDE WHETHER THAT WE'LL, WE'LL KNOW WHAT A NEW NUMBER IS FOR THAT, THAT'S BEING REQUESTED RATHER THAN APPROVING THOSE POSITIONS AND THEY SAY, WELL, IT'S THIS SALARY, BUT NOW IT'S GONNA BE THIS SALARY. SORRY. RIGHT. THAT A MOTION YOU MADE THAT IS A MOTION. AND, AND, AND LET ME LET ADD TO THIS, AND AGAIN, Y'ALL CAN RE Y'ALL CAN ADD TO OR OR, OR LEAVE OFF, BUT THE, THE SALARIES FOR THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, I WANT TO LEAVE THAT AS A SEPARATE MOTION IF I MAY. SURE. AND, AND FOR THE MOTION BEING FOR THE PARKER COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THAT MOTION IS FOR 5% FOR THE NON-ELECTED EMPLOYEES, WHICH IS NUMBER K AND NUMBER L FOR 5%. SO BASICALLY FUND 10 AND ALL THE PRECINCT FUNDS WOULD RECEIVE A 5% CORRECT. FOR NON-ELECTED POSITIONS. THANK YOU FOR CLEARING THAT FOR ME. I SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AS WELL? YES. THAT'S WHAT SAYING ABOUT, WE HAD A SEPARATE PAY SCHEDULE. SO THEY HAVE THEIR CURRENT PAY SCALE THAT HAS A 2% BUMP BUILT IN, UNLESS THEY'RE AT A MAX OUT. SO THOSE 2%, IF YOU STAY WITH THEIR CURRENT SCALE, THEN THOSE DEPUTIES OR INVESTIGATORS, DIFFERENT POSITIONS, IF THEY'RE NOT MAXED OUT, WILL AUTOMATICALLY RECEIVE A 2% ANNIVERSARY RAISE. SO THIS 5% WOULD BE ON TOP OF THAT. SO SOME OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WOULD RECEIVE 7%. UM, WELL LET'S LET THE SHERIFF EXPLAIN WHAT HE WOULD LIKE. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE. THE COURTS GOOD WITH THAT. YEAH, I, I THINK I'D LIKE TO COME ON, BE ABLE TO RUN SOME NUMBERS FIRST BEFORE WE FOR SURE. WE GOTTA RUN SOME NUMBERS. THE STEPPING GRADE IS TRICKY ENOUGH ON ITS OWN THAT I'D LIKE TO RUN SOME NUMBERS FIRST ON THAT. UH, I THINK Y'ALL HEARD ME BEFORE, AND I KNOW THIS YEAR THERE'S A LOT IN PLAY. UM, WHAT, WHAT I WOULD OFFER THIS YEAR, IF WE WERE TO DO A 5% COLA ACROSS THE BOARD FOR OUR COMMISSION PEOPLE IN THAT STEP IN PAY SCALE, I WOULD FOREGO THE 5% COLA FOR THEM TO ADOPT THE PAY SCALE THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED. I THINK THE CHIEF RANSOM ROUGH NUMBERS AND IT'S ABOUT $123,000 MORE TO ADOPT THAT SCALE AS OPPOSED TO A 5%. AND ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THE 5% COLA, WHICH I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF, UM, AND AGAIN, I I COMPARE OURSELVES TO WEATHERFORD BECAUSE THEY'RE ACROSS THE STREET, WEATHERFORD PD, AS FAR AS THE METROPLEX GOES, THEY ARE, THEY'RE ABOVE AVERAGE AS FAR AS SALARY FOR THE ENTIRE METROPLEX. OUR STARTING PAY FOR A DEPUTY WALKING IN THE DOOR, A NEW ONE, AND A NEW OFFICER WALKING ACROSS THE STREET. WEATHERFORD, WE PAY $743 MORE THAN WEATHERFORD ONE OF THE HIGHER PAYING AGENCIES. OUR HIGH, OUR OUR ENTRY LEVEL IS HIGH LEVEL ONE, WE'RE STILL ABOVE WEATHERFORD, YOU KNOW, YEAR TWO WE START LEVEL OFF YEAR THREE, THEY, THEY TAKE OFF, RIGHT. AND THEY LEAVE US, THEY TOP OUT NINE YEARS AND IN THOSE NINE YEARS THEY'RE $16,000 AHEAD OF US WHERE WE WERE AHEAD AND IN REALLY BETWEEN YEAR THREE AND YEAR NINE, THEY GAINED $16,000 ON US. RIGHT. AND, AND WE, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO, TO BRING THAT UP. WELL, I, I DON'T WANNA BRING, I WANT TO SAY MY, MY RATIONALE AND MENTIONING THE PARKER COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, I EXPECTED THIS, THIS FEEDBACK IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE TO INCLUDE YOU INTO THIS AND THEN GET YOUR FEEDBACK AS TO NOW TAKE THAT, WHAT THAT MONEY WOULD BE FOR THE PARKER COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THEN MOVE IT WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE TO IMPROVE YOUR END RETENTION RATE. SO IF THAT NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED OR WHATEVER, I WANTED TO PUT IT OUT THERE FOR, TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON HOW CAN THAT MONEY BE USED BETTER FOR YOU. AND THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS IS FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND I APPRECIATE THAT. AND TO ME THAT'S WHERE THE SCALE WOULD COME INTO PLAY AND OKAY. AND FOREGO THE 5% CALL FOR, FOR THAT STEP GRADE. VERY GOOD SCALE FOR THE COMMISSION FOLKS. OKAY. THANK YOU RUSS. THANK Y'ALL. OKAY. CAN I AMEND THE MOTION? OKAY. THAT'S WHY I WANTED THE CLARIFICATION BECAUSE I KNOW Y'ALL DONE A LOT OF LEGWORK ON HOW IMPORTANT THOSE STEPS IN THE YEARS AND THE SERVICE IN THAT PAY GRADE ALONG WITH THE CAREER PATH RIGHT THERE. THERE'S A LOT AND IT, AND IT, IT WAS, IT TOPS OUT AT 12 RIGHT NOW IN THE, IN THE, IN THE NEW ONE, IT WOULD TOP OUT AT 10 YEARS, UH, THE 2% WOULD, WOULD GO TO 3% INCREMENTS. YOU KNOW, WHERE WEATHERFORD'S AT FIVE [03:25:01] WE'RE NEVER GONNA CATCH WEATHERFORD AND WE DON'T EXPECT TO, BUT WE NEED TO AT LEAST KIND OF STAY IN THE RUNNING A LITTLE BIT, ESPECIALLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, OF THE PACK THERE DOWN, DOWN THE ROAD, IF YOU WILL. RIGHT, RIGHT. SO, SO CAN I [II.L. Salaries and Benefits for Non-Elected Employees. (Becky McCullough / Judge Deen)] AMEND THIS MOTION TO INCLUDE ITEM L SALARIES AND BENEFITS FOR NON ELECT EMPLOYEES? ITEM M ON ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEE SALARY REQUEST? WELL, NO CHANGE THAT. UH, [II.J. Salaries and Benefits for Precincts. (Becky McCullough / Judge Deen)] AND THEN ALSO INCLUDE SALARIES, UH, ON ITEM J SALARIES AND BENEFITS FOR PRECINCTS. AND THEN YOU EMPLOYEES, OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD THEN THAT WOULD BE ALSO BE FOR ANY NEW POSITIONS. LET'S DO A WHAT IF SEVEN 50? CAN I, IS IT ALRIGHT IF I'LL THROW THIS OUT HERE? JUST A WHAT IF, UM, WHAT IF WE, UH, ASKED , BECKY MCCULLOUGH, THE TREASURER'S OFFICE TO DEVELOP A A, AN IMPACT OF WHAT EACH OF THESE PLANS WILL DO FOR US AND WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS. SOUNDS GOOD. AND THAT WAY, THAT WAY WE'RE NOT JUST SITTING HERE TALKING ABOUT, WELL, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS PERCENTAGE IN HERE, TELL US WHAT THE ACTUAL EFFECT OF THESE TWO PLANS THAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING WOULD DO, AND THEN WE HAVE SOMETHING TO COMPARE WITH. IS THAT FAIR? SOUNDS GOOD. YEAH. WHAT PROBABLY NOT THE BEST, NOT TO BECKY, BUT AS, AS THEY FREQUENTLY TELL ME SHE SIGNED UP FOR THIS, IT'S WHAT THEY'RE ALWAYS TELLING ME WHEN I GET INTO A TOUGH DEAL. BUT, BUT, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS WHEN WE'RE GONNA MEET AGAIN AND, UH, HOW MUCH TIME WE'VE GOT BECAUSE WE'VE GOT, HERE'S SOME OPTIONS HERE WHEN WE CAN MEET AGAIN, LAID OUT HERE SO WE CAN HAVE RIGHT. WHICH IS THIS PAGE HERE. YEAH. AND SO I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE HONESTLY I'D LIKE TO PUSH BACK A LITTLE BIT SO THAT WE ARE, WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT. NOT TO, NOT TO INTERFERE WITH WHAT YOUR MOTION WAS, WAS GOING TO BE THERE, BUT I I THINK I'M GONNA REMOVE IT. YEAH. YEAH. AND IT ALREADY DID. AND SO LET'S, LET'S PLAY THAT GAME OF WHEN, WHEN WE MEET AGAIN, THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, FORTHCOMING TO US AND BE ABLE TO MAKE A MORE INFORMED DECISION. DO BECKY, IS THAT FAIR? TUESDAY'S AGENDA? THIS AGENDA AGAIN? I THINK SO. YEAH. I THINK IT IS TUESDAY ENOUGH TIME. SURE. OH, I, I'M ASKING REALISTICALLY, IS IT, I'LL GET IT DONE TOMORROW. CAN THE MOTION NOT BE FOR 5% COLA FOR NON-ELECTED EMPLOYEES ACROSS FUND 10 AND THE OTHER FUNDS EXCEPT FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. SO WE'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS ARE OF EACH OF THOSE BEFORE WE MAKE THAT DECISION. I REMOVED THE MOTION SO WE CAN COME BACK AND, OH, I WAS HOPING Y'ALL WOULD GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH OTHER EMPLOYEES AND LOOK AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AS A WHOLE. WE'D LIKE TO DO, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THE COMPARISON SO WE CAN MAKE A DECISION TO, THIS IS WHAT IT HONESTLY COMES TO. WELL, I BELIEVE IN THE BOOKS UNDER THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THE STEPPING GRADE SCALE THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS ABOUT 600 AND THOUSAND. ABOUT 600,000. NO, IT IS 610,600. WELL, 600. YEAH. $610,600 IS THE PAY SCALE FOR THEIR COMMISSIONED. IT'S ANOTHER 168,150 FOR CIVIL. THE PROJECTIONS I GAVE FOR FUND 10. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU WOULD SUBTRACT IT. I MEAN, JUST, I MEAN, I CAN GO BACK, BUT, SO WHAT, WHAT INFORMATION ALLY WOULD YOU, THAT'S WHAT HEARING YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING THAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS HAVE A COMPARISON. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. THAT FAIR? IT'LL BE ALL RIGHT. WE'VE GOT THIS SAME AGENDA ON TUESDAY. YEAH, CORRECT. YEAH. UM, SPEAKING OF THE DATES, UH, THURSDAY THE 21ST, I'M A SPEAKER AT A GROUNDWATER CONFERENCE IN SAN ANTONIO, SO I'LL NOT BE ON TUESDAY ON THURSDAY THE 21ST. YEAH, THAT ONE, THAT ONE'S GONNA BE, THAT'S A NO GO FOR ME. I THINK THAT ONE'S ALSO GONNA BE, UH, STREAM ONLINE FOR THOSE ONE TO SIGN UP FOR IT. THAT WAS THROUGH COG, UH, THE TA, THE TEXAS ASSOCIATES FROM GROUNDWATER DISTRICTS. MM-HMM . YEAH. 'CAUSE I SAW THAT WAS A CONFLICT 'CAUSE I REGISTERED TO ATTEND ONLINE. IS THAT 10:00 AM I BELIEVE ON A CONFLICT? YEAH. THE, I I'LL BE A SPEAKER. WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. 8:00 AM OR 9:00 AM THAT DAY. I THINK SO WE WERE ABLE TO, IF WE WERE ABLE TO CONCLUDE BUSINESS BY BY TUESDAY, THEN WE WOULDN'T BE, WOULDN'T BE DISCUSSING THOSE ADDITIONAL MEETINGS. YEAH. [03:30:05] ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT? ALL RIGHT. I SUPPOSE HAVING THE SAME EXACT, SAME EXACT AGENDA. I MEAN, WE COULD, WE COULD ADD A MEETING ON, DO WE WANT ADD FRIDAY, FRIDAY MEETING JUST FOR PROTECTION ON THAT SIDE? FRIDAY THE 26TH, OR SORRY, FRIDAY THE 22ND. I KNOW THERE'S A FIRST BOARD MEETING THAT MORNING. UH, SO THAT'S AT EIGHT. THAT'S 8:00 AM THOUGH. EIGHT 30. UH, IT'S TYPICALLY 15 MINUTES, 20 MINUTES WITH THE NEW, WITH THE NEW STATUTES. WAIT A MINUTE, IS IT, ISN'T THAT YOUR, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT. SURE. ISN'T THAT YOUR EVALUATION OR YOUR NO, IT'S SO, OH, WITH, WITH THE NEW TIMELINE. UH, RICH WE HAVE TO, WHEN WOULD WE HAVE TO ADD THAT MEETING? WELL, MY POINT IS, WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND PENCIL IN SOME JUST IN CASE WE NEED 'EM. RIGHT. IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT FRIDAY, THEN I NEED TO KNOW FOR SURE BY MONDAY, THIS COMING MONDAY, WHETHER NOT WE'RE GONNA GO WITH THAT SO I CAN CLOSE, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE HERE AT COURT FOR COURT MONDAY TOO. SO MY, MY POINT IS WE SHOULD, IF WE SHOULD CONSIDER PENCILING IN HAVING A PRETTY WIDE AGENDA, MAYBE DOING THIS ONE AGAIN, AND THAT WAY WE HAVE THE OPTION. IF WE DON'T NEED TO USE IT, WE DON'T USE IT. I WOULD AGREE. SO HOW ABOUT FRIDAY THE 22ND AT LIKE 10:00 AM HOW ABOUT 9:00 AM THAT YOU GUYS? I JUST KNOW SHE HAS AT EIGHT 30. SO THAT'S, I MEAN THAT WOULD, FOR ME IT WOULD BE BETTER AT NIGHT I WOULD DO NINE 30. YEAH, NINE 30. YOU TELL ME WHATEVER YOU WANNA DO. NINE THIRTY'S FINE WITH ME. OKAY. THAT'S THE EARLIEST WE CAN DO IT. OKAY. I I, NO, IF Y'ALL GOT BUSINESS, YOU GOT BUSINESS, IT'S OKAY. ALRIGHT. 22ND AT NINE 30. OKAY. YOU WANNA ADD TO ONE ON MAYBE TUESDAY THE 26TH? I DO THINK WE NEED A BACK UP PLAN. THE 26TH. YEAH, FOR SURE. I MEAN, WHICH WE CAN TALK ABOUT, BUT IF THE, IF THE, UM, ELECTED OFFICIAL SALARIES, THE VOTE ON THAT IS NOT ON MONDAY THE 25TH, THEN WE NEED ONE ON THE 26TH. SO TO GET THAT DONE, TO BE ABLE TO DO THE, UM, ALL THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS THERE. WELL, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THE ELECTED OFFICIALS ON THE 25TH. NOTHING. YEAH. SO BRIAN ON THE 26TH, IS THAT GONNA BE A SPECIAL SET AND A BUDGET? A MATTER THAT'D BE A, A BUDGET IF NECESSARY. I MEAN, I GUESS WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT. NOT, NOT WHERE WE GET ON, WE'RE HOW MUCH WE GET DONE NEXT TUESDAY. YEAH, TRY TO MAKE ON THE 26TH WHAT TIME? TRY AT 9:00 AM YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. I'D ASK FOR A MOTION THEN. ARE WE READY FOR ADJOURNMENT? ANYTHING ELSE ADJOURNED? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. RECORDS SHOW THAT WE'LL ADJOURN AT 1257. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.