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[Call to Order]
TO OPEN THE MEETING FOR THE PARKER COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT SPECIAL BUDGET AGENDA FOR FRIDAY, AUGUST 22ND, 2025.[I.A. Present/Discuss/Approve General Fund Budget for FY2025-2026. (Judge Deen) ]
TO CONSIDER, DISCUSS, AND ACT UPON THE FOLLOWING AGENDA ITEMS UNDER ITEM ONE, PRESENT, DISCUSS APPROVE OF GENERAL FUND BUDGET FOR THE 20 25, 20 26 BUDGET, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO.IS THERE ANYTHING ON ITEM A, A NEW FACE? UH, YES.
DID I GIVE HER TOO HARD OF A TIME? I DON'T KNOW.
IT'S MY FIRST TIME, SO WE'LL SEE.
EVERYONE KNOWS I'M THE BUDGET ANALYST FOR THOSE THAT ARE ONLINE.
AND WE'RE ON ITEM ONE IN THE PRESENT.
DISCUSS APPROVE THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET OR ITEM MAY PRESENT.
DISCUSS APPROVED GENERAL FUND BUDGET FOR THE 25 26.
SO I DID GIVE, UH, LEAVE YOU ALL A PACKET ON YOUR DESK.
UM, AND IT HAS THE SUMMARY OF CHANGES FOR THE PROPOSED BUDGET.
SO YOU'LL SEE ON THE FIRST SECTION, SALARY ADJUSTMENTS.
UM, THOSE WERE ALL APPROVED ON AUGUST 19TH.
THE TOTAL IS DO, DO YOU WANT ME TO GO ITEM BY ITEM OR JUST A TOTAL? BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING TO DISCUSS AS FAR AS THE SALARIES ON THE TODAY, BUT THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED.
I THINK SUMMARIZE IT UNLESS THE COURT WANTS IT.
UM, SO ALL THE POSITIONS WERE APPROVED IN A TOTAL OF 754,696 FOR THE SALARY ADJUSTMENTS AT THIS POINT.
THE LAST ITEM LAST TIME WAS THE INCREASE FOR THE BUDGET ANALYST POSITION.
AND THAT IS LISTED ON HERE THIS TIME.
ANY QUESTIONS? WHO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.
THE NEXT IS DEPARTMENTAL OPERATION EXPENSE ADJUSTMENTS.
UM, AS WE DID HAVE A COUPLE, SO FOR DEPARTMENT 5 64 SHERIFF'S OFFICE TRAINING, UM, REQUESTING DONATIONS APPROVED FOR TRAINING WITH ROLLOVER FUNDS IN THE AMOUNT OF 1,745.
THE SECOND ITEM IS FOR IT, WE ADJUSTED THE CONTRACT SERVICES, TELEPHONE AND COMMUNICATIONS LINE, AND THE AMOUNT OF $321,011 AND 15 CENTS.
AND THEN, UM, THE NEXT LINE IS JUST A, TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THE AUTO AND PROPERTY INSURANCE CLAIM.
THAT'S GONNA BE A POTENTIAL ROLLOVER.
SO WE HAVE EXISTING PURCHASE ORDERS THAT WILL PROBABLY BE ROLLED OVER TO THE NEW YEAR, JUST DEPENDING ON WHEN THEY GET THOSE CLAIMS COMPLETED.
AND THEN THERE IS A TRANSFER OUT FOR A NET TRANSFER INCREASE FOR JUVENILE PROBATION.
UM, AN INCREASE OF 749,494 AND A DECREASE FOR J-J-A-E-P FOR A DECREASE OF 1007 52 WITH A TOTAL OF 7 47, 7 42.
AND THOSE ARE ALL THE DEPARTMENT OPERATION OPERATING EXPENSE ADJUSTMENTS FOR THE BUDGET 20 FY 26.
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THIS DATA THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED HERE? DO THESE NEED TO BE APPROVED OR THEY JUST PART OF THE IT JUST GIVES US AN UPDATE.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THESE ARE ALL ITEMS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY COURT, CORRECT? CORRECT.
WELL, SOME OF 'EM, THE ONES YOU'VE HIGHLIGHTED HAVE NOT.
IT'S EITHER CHANGES FROM THE LAST TIME WE MET AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE UPDATED THE WORK KNOWING WE NEED TO DO THAT.
THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WERE HIGHLIGHTED, CORRECT? MM-HMM
THE ONES THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED OR THE CHANGES.
I GUESS I'M A LITTLE, I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION ON THE JUVENILE LINE ITEM THERE 'CAUSE I KNOW IT IS HIGHLIGHTED, BUT WE HAD ASKED
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FOR SOME MORE AND I HAVE THAT, I WILL GO OVER THAT.IS THAT A PAINTING TO THIS ONE? YEAH.
IF YOU'RE READY, I'LL GO AHEAD AND GO OVER THAT.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS NOW OR LATER.
IF UNDER ALL THIS I CAN FIND IT.
I ADDRESSED THE LAST, UM, COURT WITH THIS, UH, WE DID HAVE A PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
UM, THE BUDGET ITSELF IS PRETTY MUCH FLAT.
WHAT IS, IS THERE'S TWO CARS THAT I THINK ALREADY FACTORED INTO IT.
SHE RAN, UM, THERE'S TWO CARS I THINK WERE HELD DAMAGED THAT WERE, THAT WERE PART OF.
UH, AND I THINK THAT'S ALREADY BEEN FACTORED INTO IT, BUT IT'S PRETTY MUCH A FLAT BUDGET.
UH, WHAT WHAT HAS THE IMPACT OF THIS? 7 49 49 4 IS WHAT WE IN INITIALLY INTRODUCED TO YOU ON A BUILDING THAT HAS BECOME AVAILABLE THAT, UH, THE OCCUPIED SPACE OF THIS, WHICH WOULD TAKE UP THE JJEP AND THE JUVENILE BOARD AND, AND IT WOULD DO A COUPLE OF THINGS ON THAT.
UH, IT WOULD, IT WOULD DISPLACE THE, UM, THE RENT THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY PAYING.
UH, AND I BELIEVE THAT LEASE IS 85,000 A YEAR.
NOW AT THE CURRENT LOCATION IT'S AT IN WILLOW PARK.
IT WOULD, IT WOULD TAKE THAT AWAY.
AND THEN THE NEW, THIS IS A LEASE NUMBER.
IT IS NOT A A, A PURCHASE NUMBER.
UH, THE AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT THEY WOULD OCCUPY, BOTH WITH THE JJP AND THE JUSTICE, OR I'M SORRY, THE JUVENILE BOARD, WHICH WOULD DISPLACE THEM.
THE SECOND THING IT WOULD DO IS TAKE THEM OUTTA THAT BUILDING THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY IN THAT'S GOT THE ASBESTOS ISSUE THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH AT SOME POINT.
AND SO THE, THE LEASE, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS THE LEASE AGREEMENT.
WITH THAT, IT WOULD OCCUPY 7,800 SQUARE FEET, 7,800 SQUARE FEET.
THE TOTAL BUILDING AMOUNT IS 15,000 SQUARE FEET.
THAT WOULD ENABLE US AS KIND OF A FALLBACK ON HOW THIS ELECTION PROGRESSES AND PROCEEDS THAT WE WOULD HAVE SPACE IF, IF THERE WAS A NEED FOR THAT SPACE.
UM, WHICH IS, IS A HIGHLY COVETED NEED RIGHT NOW FOR THIS COUNTY.
AND WHEN, IF WE DO GET A THIRD DISTRICT COURT, IT WOULD GIVE US AN OPTION THERE UNTIL WE SOLVE THAT ISSUE THROUGH THE ELECTION PROCESS.
BUT AGAIN, JUST TO BE SPECIFIC WITH WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, THAT'S 749,494, BASICALLY REPRESENTS THE LEASE PIECE OF THIS, WHICH BREAKS DOWN TO ABOUT, UH, ON THE, UH, AMOUNT HERE FOR THE, UH, LEASE AGREEMENT, JUST THE OC THE SPACE THAT WE WOULD OCCUPY, WHICH IS 7,800 SQUARE FEET, THAT WOULD TAKE BOTH BUILDINGS IN AND SOLVE THAT ISSUE.
NOW THE BUILDING ITSELF, WHICH IS A TOTAL OF 15,000 SQUARE FEET, IS UP FOR SALE AT 3.4 MILLION.
BUT AGAIN, THE BUYER IS EXTREMELY MOTIVATED, UH, AND WILLING TO NEGOTIATE THAT PRICE.
WHAT DOES THAT TRANSLATE INTO? WE DON'T KNOW UNTIL WE ENTER INTO THAT AGREEMENT.
AND THERE'S AN AGREEMENT TO THIS COURT TO WANT TO DO THAT.
BUT IT DOES, AGAIN, A COUPLE THINGS.
IT TAKES AWAY THE $85,000 PAYMENT THAT IT'S A SINKING FUND THAT THAT GOES OFF.
UH, AND IT CONTINUAL GO UP, UH, AS IT'S GONE UP NOW.
AND, BUT LOOKING AT THE BUILDING SPACE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT WE, WE HEAR THESE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE BUY, WE JUST KEEP BUYING OLD BUILDINGS.
THIS BUILDING ISN'T THAT OLD AND IT'S IN VERY GOOD CONDITION.
THAT 7 49 ALSO REPRESENTS THE, UM, THE ARCHITECTURAL SIDE OF THE, OF IT TO BE, UM, BUILT OUT TO ACCOMMODATE THE JJAP AND THE JUVENILE BOARD.
THAT THAT IS A WHOLE NUMBER THAT WOULD ENC ENCAPSULATE THAT TOTAL AMOUNT FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO GO INTO THAT BUILDING.
AND SO, AGAIN, I THINK THIS IS A, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO LOOK AT THAT WOULD BENEFIT US IN SEVERAL WAYS.
ONE, GIVING US A BACKUP PLAN, UH, IF THAT, UH, DEPENDING ON HOW THE ELECTION PROCESS GOES WITH A BOND THAT WE JUST APPROVED, BUT IT ALSO GIVES A HOME FOR BOTH OF THESE.
AND IT CONSOLIDATES BOTH OF THOSE LOCATIONS, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE A VERY GOOD THING TO DO AND GETS US OUT OF THAT SITUATION WE WERE CURRENTLY IN WITH THE ASBESTOS BUILDING.
JUDGE, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? UH, I KNOW THAT YOU WERE TELLING US WHAT THE $747,742 WAS MOSTLY COMPRISED OF, BUT DO
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WE HAVE A SPECIFIC BREAKDOWN ANYWHERE? 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK I HAVE ONE HERE WHERE IT ACTUALLY PROVIDES A SPREADSHEET AND GIVES LINE ITEM DETAIL.SO YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT THE BIGGEST PIECE OF THAT, IF I UNDERSTOOD YOU CORRECTLY, WAS THE LEASE.
WHAT, WHAT IS THE MONTHLY LEASE FOR THE NEW LOCATION? IS KIM IN HERE? DOES SHE HAVE THAT NUMBER? KIM'S OUT TODAY, I BELIEVE OUT TODAY.
DID YOU SAY YOU HAVE A SHEET ON THE LEASE? I HAVE A LOT OF EVERYTHING HERE.
UH, ON THE LEASE AMOUNT ITSELF IS 144,000 FOR A TOTAL OF 7,200 SQUARE FEET.
AND I APOLOGIZE, I DID NOT BRING THAT UP BEFORE.
THERE'S JUST, I, I, I GOT EVERYTHING AND TRIED TO GO THROUGH EVERY BIT OF IT BEFORE THIS MEETING, SO I WAS TRYING TO DO THAT.
BUT TO YOUR POINT, COMMISSIONER HOLT, UH, THE TOTAL AMOUNT FOR THE LEASE SPACE AT 1105 SANTA FE DRIVE, UH, IS UH, FOR 7,200 SQUARE FEET, UH, $20 A SQUARE FOOT WOULD BE $144,000 COMPARED TO THE 88 80 5,000.
WE'RE CURRENTLY PAYING FOR JUST ONE FACILITY FOR ONE FUNCTION OF THE JUDGE, A EP IN WILLOW PARK.
SO YOU WOULD TAKE THE 85,000, IT WOULD BASICALLY BE A LITTLE OVER 50,000 MORE, BUT THEN YOU WOULD OCCUPY BOTH FACILITIES WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUY THIS.
UH, IF THIS COURT DEEMS, THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY, EXCUSE ME, OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO PROCEED WITH THAT.
WHAT IS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE CURRENT FACILITY? 15,000 SQUARE FEET? NO, THE CURRENT ONE THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW.
WE'VE GOT THE, THE THRIFT MART LOCATION OVER HERE.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE OFFICE BUILDING ON, CORRECT, ON NORTH MAIN.
SO THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE SQUARE ONE.
AND, BUT THOSE TWO ARE THE COMBINED 85,000.
YOU SAID, YOU SAID OUR CURRENT LEASE IS 85,000 WE BUILDING OVER HERE.
I I THINK THE 85 INCLUDES ELECTRICITY, PROBABLY ARE UTILITIES.
I THINK THAT THE, THE, WHAT I READ THE OTHER DAY WAS 75,000.
AND THEY, THAT FACILITY IS ONLY FOR WILLOW PARK.
WE PAY A, UM, MONTHLY ACTUAL JUST LEASE FEE AND THEN A PORTION OF THE MONTHLY FEE GOES INTO ESCROW.
AND BASICALLY WHAT THAT HELPS COVER IS, UM, BECAUSE IT'S A WHOLE BUILDING, UM, WE PAY ACTUALLY UTILITIES SEPARATELY, BUT THIS COVERS, UM, INSURANCE TAXES, COMMON AREA THINGS, CLEANING, ALL OF THAT SORT OF THING.
AND THEN USUALLY, UM, IN DECEMBER, EARLY JANUARY, WE GET BASICALLY WHATEVER THE SHORTAGE IS, THEN WE PAY THAT.
AND THAT'S USUALLY, I CAN LOOK, BUT I WANNA SAY MAYBE LIKE FIVE OR 6,000 BECAUSE THAT ESCROW AMOUNT HAS BEEN KIND OF THERE SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE LEASE.
AND SO THE LEASE PAYMENTS INCREASE, THAT NUMBER HAS STAYED KIND OF THE SAME.
SO KIND OF THAT BALLOON PAYMENT THAT'S DUE AT THE END IS USUALLY, UM, HIGHER THAN THAT.
AND THEN THEY DO, UH, WE PAY UTILITIES MONTHLY OUTSIDE OF THE LEASE PAYMENT.
BECAUSE I GUESS WHERE I'M COMING FROM IS I JUST, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE 7 47 BROKEN DOWN.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE SEEN THAT YET.
I, I THINK, UH, THE PAPER THAT KIM PROVIDED, IT WAS VERY KIND OF LUMP SUM.
IT WAS ALL LUMP FROM LAST COURT? YES.
I CAN TELL YOU WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE A GOOD EDUCATED DECISION ON THIS.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT RIGHT NOW.
WHAT IS INFORMATION DO WE NEED THAT WE, WELL, ONE IS THE HALF THE BUILDING THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR LEASE LARGE ENOUGH SPACE TO ACCOMMODATE BOTH THE JUVENILE AND JJAP? YES.
SO 7,200 APPROXIMATELY IS ENOUGH FOR BOTH? IT IS 7,800.
AND THE NUMBER WE HAVE DOWN HERE IS 7 47.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS THAT'S FOR, I DON'T KNOW WHAT MONEY'S INCLUDED.
YOU SAID THAT INCLUDED AN ALLOWANCE FOR TENANT FINISH OUT INSIDE, I GUESS BY THE PROPERTY OWNER.
I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF NUMBERS THAT WE DON'T KNOW.
THIS IS JUST THE NUMBERS TO BE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO COMPARE ACCURATELY WITH WHAT WE HAVE AND WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING AND BE ABLE TO RUN THE NUMBERS AND SEE, YOU KNOW, THE, WHAT THE VIABILITY OF PURCHASING THE BUILDING IS.
WELL, ONE, I APOLOGIZE FOR THIS COMING UP AT THE VERY, AT THE 11TH HOUR HERE, BUT THEN AGAIN, IT WAS IDENTIFIED WHEN IT WAS IDENTIFIED.
BUT, UH, AGAIN, I THINK THIS COURT, I'M NOT TRYING TO RUN IT DOWN YOUR THROAT AT ALL.
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WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THIS, COMMISSIONER, THAT WE LOOK AT THIS FROM A STANDPOINT OF YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU'RE GONNA BE SINKING MONEY INTO A MONEY PIT HERE.THIS IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING WITH WILLOW PARK FOR YEARS OF 80, 85,000.
I KNOW IT WAS 60 AT ONE POINT, AND THEN IT WENT UP AND, BUT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO POSSIBLY BUY A, A, A, A PROP PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT THIS COURT COULD USE TO ONE, CONSOLIDATE THOSE, SOLVE THE PROBLEM OF THE ASBESTOS BUILDING AND GET US OUT OF THAT BUILDING DOWN THERE.
WHICH AGAIN, UH, THE CITY OF WILLOW PARK HAS BEEN HELPFUL WITH US.
BUT AGAIN, WE WOULD BE IN CROW CONTROL OF OUR OWN DESTINY IF WE LOOKED AT ACQUISITION OF THE PROPERTY OURSELVES.
THAT TO ME IS, IS REALLY THE, THE, THE VALUE PROPOSITION HERE IS NOT TO LEASE IT, BUT TO ACQUIRE IT AND THEN HAVE 15,000 SQUARE FOOT TOTAL COMBINED, WHICH WOULD BE ABOUT HALF OF THAT BUILDING WITHIN THEN WOULD BE ABLE TO BE BUILT OUT FOR A, A COURT SYSTEM IF WE NEEDED A COURT SYSTEM IN A HURRY AND NEEDED SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT IT DOES GIVE US OPTIONS TO DO THAT.
AND I KNOW THIS IS QUICK, THIS COURT, GOD KNOWS THAT WE, WE DON'T, WE DON'T MOVE QUICK ON DECISIONS LIKE THIS, NOR SHOULD WE, I'M SAYING, BUT I THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT'S COME UP THAT I THINK WE NEED TO SERIOUSLY LOOK AT.
WELL, IT'S A GOOD IDEA, BUT WE JUST NEED TO KNOW SOME MORE NUMBERS.
BUT LET'S GET SOME MORE NUMBERS AS COMMISSIONER HA SAYS.
BRIANNA, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? I DON'T, I DIDN'T PRESENT.
NO, I, I, THE ONLY THING I HAVE IS THIS THAT KIM HAD PUT TOGETHER.
IS THERE A SALES LISTING? IT'S ONLINE.
YEAH, BUT WE DON'T HAVE IT IN COURT TODAY.
BUT YEAH, THIS PACKET THAT KIM PUT TOGETHER, THAT'S ALL I HAVE AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE.
UM, BUT I, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, AND I'VE SLEPT SINCE THEN, BUT I THINK THAT WAS WHAT WE GOT THE OTHER DAY WHEN OUR REQUEST AFTER REVIEWING THAT WAS TO GET MORE INFORMATION, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY.
YEAH, I'M NOT SURE WHERE, I MEAN, THE BIGGEST LINE ITEM THERE IS OBVIOUSLY THE FOUR 50.
AND SO I'M SURE THAT'S JUST AN ESTIMATE TO KIND OF RETROFIT THE BUILDING FOR THEIR NEEDS.
BUT I MEAN, I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE, MAKE SURE THAT, THAT INFORMATION I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND, I THINK TO COMMISSIONER HALE'S POINT, IS THIS A SUFFICIENT SPACE FOR US? WHAT IS THE TOTAL COST OF THE PROJECT LOOK LIKE OF GETTING US IN THERE? ARE THERE GONNA BE FINISH OUT COSTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT ARE INVOLVED? AND THEN, YOU KNOW WHAT, UH, AGAIN, WHAT DOES THAT 7 47 BREAK OUT TO? THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE MY HEAD'S AT ON THIS.
WELL, YOU HAVE, AGAIN HERE, MO THROUGH MOORING THIS, THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN LOOKED AT, UM, BY SEVERAL PEOPLE.
AND THE BUILD OUT ON THIS IS 450,000, WHICH IS A ONE-TIME EXPENSE ON THE COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION ON THE, THE RENOVATION OF THIS TO ACCOMMODATE THE FACILITY OF THE JUDGE, A EP AND THE JUVENILE BOARD.
UH, THE UTILITY ON THIS APPROXIMATELY ANNUAL YEAR, 24,000 A YEAR, 18,000 ELECTRICITY, 2,400 WATER SEWAGE, 3,600 PHONE.
IF THAT, IF THAT IS NEEDED ON THAT, WHERE'S THE FOUR 50 GETTING PAID FROM? I THINK FROM GENERAL FUND IT'D BE FROM GENERAL FUND COMMISSIONER.
IS THAT FOUR 50 PART OF THE 7 47? YES, IT IS SEPARATE.
UM, AND KIM TEXTED ME AND SAID THAT THE, UH, CURRENT JUVENILE PROBATION BUILDING IS ABOUT 4,300 SQUARE FEET.
AND THIS MEMO DOES SAY THAT, UM, THIS SPACE WOULD BE SUFFICIENT FOR BOTH DEPARTMENTS AND WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL ROOM THEY'VE HAD, THEY'VE HAD PEOPLE COME IN AND LOOK AT IT AND LOOK AT AND GO OVER THIS OR THEY WOULD NOT HAVE PRESENTED THIS TO US.
AND WE BRIEFLY TALKED ABOUT THAT WITH THE CO THE DISTRICT JUDGES AS WELL.
BUT AGAIN, I, YOU KNOW, I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I THINK, I THINK THE MAIN THING HERE IS THAT IT'S BEEN THROWN ON YOU WITH THE, AT THE 11TH HOUR.
BUT WHEN IT WAS GIVEN TO US, I MEAN IT WAS GIVEN TO US.
WHAT'S THE ADDRESS? IT'S 1105.
JIM DUNCAN USED TO OCCUPY, OCCUPY THAT, UH, WHEN THEY TRANSITIONED AND THAT BEFORE THEY MOVED AND BUILT A FACILITY THERE IN NOW 11.
IT IS ACTUALLY AN ATTRACTIVE BUILDING, ISN'T IT? RIGHT BY PLAIN'S CAPITAL, I BELIEVE.
I DROVE DOWN THERE AND WENT THROUGH THE PARKING LOT AND I MEAN, IT NEEDS SOME CLEANING UP, BUT
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IT'S NOT FALLING APART ON THE OUTSIDE.I DIDN'T GO IN IT, BUT RIGHT TO CROSS THE STREET FROM THE ANNEX BETWEEN THE TWO BANKS THERE.
AND I, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE A STICK IN THE MUD HERE.
WE'VE BEEN VERY DILIGENT WITH OUR OTHER DEPARTMENTS ON THE DEGREE OF INFORMATION THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING JUSTIFICATION.
I KNOW THE BUDGET COMMITTEE SENT BACK A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS, WHICH EVERY SINGLE DEPARTMENT THAT WE ASKED A QUESTION OF, I FEEL LIKE THEY CAME BACK ABOVE AND BEYOND AND WE, WE GOT EVERY SINGLE RESPONSE EXCEPT FOR ONE DAYS BEFORE THE DEADLINE.
AND THEN WE GOT ONE THE DAY BEFORE THE DEADLINE.
THIS, THIS IS, UH, THIS IS JUST VERY DIFFERENT.
YOU KNOW, IT IS IT DIFFERENT? WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GETTING, I, I THINK IF THIS WERE COMING FROM A DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT, WE WOULD ASK THEM TO GO BACK AND CLEAN THE INFORMATION UP AND PRESENT IT IN A MANNER THAT IS EASY TO FOLLOW, EASY TO UNDERSTAND, AND GIVES US CLEAR GUIDELINES AND PROJECTIONS ON WHAT THE COSTS ARE GONNA BE YEAR TO YEAR.
I MEAN, WITH ALL RESPECT, I THINK WHAT HAP WHAT HAS HAPPENED HERE IS THIS JUST CAME ABOVE THE RADAR.
AND THEN THEY LOOKED AT THAT AND SAW THE POSSIBILITY AND THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS AS PROBABLY THE BEST OPTION.
AND SO THEY DID DUE DILIGENCE TO JUST BRING IT TO THE COURT AT THE TIMING OF THIS UNFORTUNATELY IS NOT THE SAME AS WHAT OTHER DEPARTMENTS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO, UH, GIVE US.
AND SO, UH, WE CAN, WE CAN TAKE NO ACTION ON THIS THING.
OF COURSE, THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE'RE GONNA GO HERE.
BUT I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE, AND TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY TO LOOK AT THIS, UM, AND, AND TAKE THE TIME TO BE SURE TO GIVE THIS TO DUE DILIGENCE AND NEEDS TO LOOK AT, BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA LOOK BACK ON THIS.
AND THEN THAT, THAT FACILITY ENDS UP SELLING FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT AND LOOKING BACK ON I WISHING WE WOULD'VE DONE IT, I WOULD LIKE TO BE SURE THAT WE THOROUGHLY COVER THIS SO WE CAN COME BACK AND EVEN HAVE SOMEBODY FROM THE JUVENILE BOARD COME AND TALK ABOUT THIS SPECIFICALLY.
BUT AGAIN, THE FACTS, THE NUMBERS ARE THE NUMBERS AND THESE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT'S BEEN GIVEN TO US ALL 3000 PAGES OF THIS.
UH, UM, BUT I'VE ASKED FOR A GREAT DEAL OF INFORMATION ON THIS AND THEY'VE BEEN, THEY'VE BEEN REALLY HELPFUL WITH THIS AND GIVING US THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED.
BUT OF THAT 7 49, THE WAY TO LOOK AT IT REALLY IS A 749,000, 450,000 OF IT IS GOING TO BE A RENOVATION OF THAT TO GO INTO THAT BUILDING AND, AND, AND ACCOMMODATE THAT TO BE TURNED INTO A-J-J-E-P, BE ABLE TO EXIT THE WILLOW PARK FACILITY THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY PAYING 81 80 5,000 ON, ON RENTAL ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, AND LOOK AT THIS AND BE ABLE TO MAKE AN INVESTMENT INTO SOMETHING THAT POSSIBLY COULD BE SPACE THAT WE NEED IN THE FUTURE.
WELL, WE'RE NOT SAYING WE DON'T WANT IT, WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION.
I, I THINK THE MAIN THING IS BE OPEN-MINDED TO THIS, TO LOOK AT THIS AND TO YOUR POINT, UH, I WANNA BE RESPECTFUL TO THAT, TO BE SURE TO GIVE YOU EVERY SINGLE THING YOU CAN AND BE ABLE TO ALLOW YOU TIME TO DIGEST THIS INFORMATION AS WHAT WE HAVE WITH THE REST OF THE, THE, THE BUDGET.
BUT WE WOULD NOT BE DOING DUE DILIGENCE WITH THIS IF WE JUST SAID, HEY, WE DIDN'T GET IT IN TIME.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT.
UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE ADAPTABLE HERE TO LOOK AT THIS AND, AND POSSIBLY LOOK AT SOMETHING, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US THAT MAYBE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE TIME TO LOOK AT AS MUCH AS WHAT WE DID, THE OTHER STUFF.
BUT I THINK WE NEED TO BE ADAPTABLE TO THIS, THAT THIS MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO LOOK AT.
UH, BUT FOR ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT, WE'D BE ASKING THE SAME QUESTIONS.
WE'LL BE ASKING WHAT THE FOUR FIFTY'S FOR, WHAT DOES IT COVER, RIGHT.
WHAT DOES IT INCLUDE? WHO'S GONNA DO THE WORK? WE'RE GONNA ASK ALL THOSE QUESTIONS.
YEAH, AND I'M NOT TAKING IT PERSONALLY.
I'M JUST TELLING YOU THAT, THAT, UH, AND ALSO COMING IN THIS LATE LIKE THIS, UM, WE, WE ALSO GET OTHER THINGS.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, LAST MINUTE HERE, SO THAT MAYBE THERE'S NOT AS MUCH SCRUTINY ON IT, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT, UM, WE WOULD, UH, WE SURE HAVE A MEETING.
I GUESS CAN'T WE DO IT MONDAY OR MONDAY AND TUESDAY THAT WE HAVE MEETINGS, UH, THAT ALSO HAVE THESE SAME THINGS ON THERE.
SO YEAH, FIRST OF ALL, I, I, UH, NOBODY FROM THAT DEPARTMENT COMES.
I, I, I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT SOMEBODY FROM THAT DEPARTMENT COMES TO ANSWER QUESTIONS FOR US.
I MEAN, IF, IF, UH, I WOULD INVITE THE ENTIRE JUVENILE BOARD TO COME AND PRESENT INFORMATION.
'CAUSE WE, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE INFORMATION, BUT WE WOULDN'T MAKE A DECISION LIKE THIS FOR ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT WITH, WITH THE LACK OF INFORMATION.
SO I, I'M, I'M WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER CONY PERHAPS A GOOD IDEA.
UH, BUT I NEED MORE INFORMATION BEFORE I CAN MAKE A DECISION ON THAT.
YEAH, I I THINK THAT THE REPRESENTATIVE THAT HAS, THAT HAS THIS LISTING SHOULD, THEY SHOULD CONSIDER BRINGING THAT INDIVIDUAL AS WELL.
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THE INFORMATION AND NUMBERS THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THIS DECISION.AND, AND THE, AS FAR AS THE AMOUNT THAT IT'S GONNA TAKE TO RETROFIT THE, WHAT'S THAT FOR? WHO'S GONNA DO THE WORK, WHAT'S THE SCOPE OF THE WORK? IS THERE ANY OTHER THINGS THAT YOU WOULD NEED, UH, THAT WOULD THIS BE IN THE, DOES THIS INCLUDE NEW FURNITURE? DOES THIS INCLUDE ALL THOSE THINGS THAT, THAT ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE FOR ANYBODY ELSE SURE.
YEAH, BUT I, I, I'M SURE THAT DOES, BUT IT, WHAT'S THE AMOUNT YOU, WHAT'S YOU, YOU'LL SEE WHAT I'M SAYING.
CONFERENCE TABLE, WHATEVER DESK IS GONNA BE 2000 BUCKS.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT, I KNOW THAT A TOTAL AMOUNT HERE THAT'S FOR THESE CATEGORIES.
AND I, I GOT THAT LOOK HERE, I GOT THAT LAST COURT.
BUT HERE'S MY STANCE ON IT WITH THE LOCK INFORMATION I HAVE RIGHT NOW, I WOULDN'T APPROVE IT.
SO IF SOMEBODY WANTS THIS, I WOULD SAY GET SOME INFORMATION AND GET IT UP HERE.
THAT'S THE WAY I FEEL ABOUT IT.
AND I THINK THERE'S NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION HERE TO MAKE A GOOD EDUCATED DECISION THAT'S RESPONSIBLE.
HE WAS BEATING THE DUST MY GUN TO WORKING, SORRY TO BEAT THE DESK.
IT GOES, I THINK IT SETS A TOUGH PRECEDENT TO APPROVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS WITHOUT THE PERMISSION NOT TO BE, NOT TO BE CRITICAL, JUDGE.
I'M JUST TELLING YOU THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT OUR STANCE IS TODAY.
I THINK IT WOULD BE THAT STANCE ON ANY DEPARTMENT.
IT WOULD BE THAT STANCE ON MY OWN DEPARTMENT TO BE HONEST.
BEAR WITH ME JUST FOR A MOMENT, PLEASE.
I JUST WANNA BE SURE THAT A LOT OF TIMES PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE A, HAVE AN ALLOWANCE FOR, FOR TENANT FINISH OUT THAT'S PROVIDED UP FRONT WHEN YOU SIGN A LEASE.
WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THEY'RE EVEN OFFERING ON THAT.
I MEAN, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF, A LOT OF EMPTY QUESTIONS IN THIS DEAL.
YEAH, I'M JUST LOOKING AT, I I'M ALSO CORRESPONDING WITH ASHLEY ON THIS AS WELL AS CHASE JOHNSON, WHO IS THE LISTING AGENT ON THIS.
WHY DON'T WE PUSH IT BACK DOWN, COME BACK TO IT LATER AND GIVE 'EM TIME TO GET UP HERE.
AND THAT'S WHY I INFORMATION, THAT'S WHY I'M DOING WHAT I'M DOING.
I WANT TO, AND IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE, THIS HAS GOTTA BE DONE RIGHT AWAY.
UM, HAVE Y'ALL SEEN THE PICTURE OF THIS? YEAH, WE HAVE DRIVEN BY IT.
I JUST, I'M, I JUST, AGAIN, I WANT, BEFORE WE GO FORWARD, I WANNA DO TWO THINGS.
ONE, UNDERSTAND THAT I'VE GIVEN YOU EVERYTHING POSSIBLE THAT I, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GIVE YOU.
AND TWO, UNDERSTAND WHAT WE NEED TO BRING AS FAR AS AN AUDIENCE OR WHO WE NEED TO BRING IN HERE FOR YOU TO GET THE INFORMATION YOU NEED TO MAKE AN EDUCATED GUESS, OR I'M SORRY, AN EDUCATED DECISION ON HOW TO ACQUIRE THIS PROPERTY IF IN FACT THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
THE ONLY THING I COULD FIND WAS A, A LEASE, UH, A ON HERE ON COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE LISTINGS.
AND I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING ABOUT IT BEING LISTED FOR SALE.
AND IT TOOK, IT SHOWED THE LEASE AVAILABLE WAS THREE SUITES TOTALING 7,200 SQUARE FEET.
AND IT DID NOT LIST A PRICE, DID NOT HAVE ANY OF THE OTHER DETAILS.
ON THE LISTING, YOU HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE, SO, OKAY, SURE.
UH, WE'LL COME BACK THAT ASHLEY KNOWS, UH, AND WE WILL COME BACK AND, AND PROCEED WITH THIS AND ALLOW YOU TIME TO PROCESS THIS AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
THAT SAID, BECAUSE I'VE ASKED, I'D LIKE TO ASK SOME MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT SURE.
A EP YOU, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE ABLE TO COME TO, WELL THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT TO, TO UNDERSTAND, UM, BECAUSE OF WHAT THE, THE NEEDS OF THE JJP ARE, ARE, ARE SOMETHING THAT WE, UM, DON'T HAVE ALL THE DETAILS AND NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT GROWTH, PROJECTION, ET CETERA.
IS THAT THE RIGHT BUILDING FOR THAT? UH, I THINK WE CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THE, UM, JUVENILE BOARD BUILDING, BUT DOES, HOW, HOW DOES ALL THAT FIT TOGETHER? THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING COMPONENTS.
I, I DON'T ENVY YOU IN, IN, IN YOUR SEATS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.
AND I THINK WE'RE MAKING THE RIGHT DECISION AND HAVING THEM COME BACK AND GIVE, GIVE US, I WANT YOU TO FEEL GOOD ABOUT THIS AND I WANT YOU TO ALSO KNOW THAT I'M TRYING TO GIVE YOU EVERY BIT OF INFORMATION WE CAN.
THAT SAID, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT, WHICH, WHICH NUMBER DO
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WE NEED TO BE ON, ON THE SECTION FOR CAPITAL, NON CAP, SEC AND STILL? OKAY, SO WE'RE GO OUT C, GENERAL BUDGET UPDATES.[I.B. General Budget Updates. (Brianna Fowler/ Judge Deen) ]
NO.[I.C. Capital & Non-Capital Budget Requests. (Kim Rivas/ Judge Deen) ]
ON C, RIGHT? OH YES.WE'VE DONE A AND B, C WE'RE ON C.
UM, I DID NOT PRINT OUT KIM'S WORKBOOK.
I'M, I THINK SHE MIGHT HAVE EMAILED IT TO Y'ALL, BUT SHE DID HAVE A, SHE RECEIVED QUOTES, UM, ON THE 21ST AND IT RESULTED IN A $75,770 SAVINGS ON THE, FOR THE DEPARTMENT'S INVESTIGATIONS.
CHEVY TAHOE, CHEVY, NO, SORRY, CHEVY HALF TON CREW CAB AND THE CHEVY RELAY TAHOE FOR THE PATROL, THE CHEVY THREE QUAR TON FOR THE ANIMAL CONTROL AND THE CHEVY TAHOES FOR THE FUGITIVE TRANSPORT.
SO THEY CAME IN A LITTLE BIT LESS.
AND THAT IS ACCOUNTED FOR ON THIS, ON THE WORK PACKET I GAVE YOU.
THE NEXT SECTION IS JUST A NEW EMPLOYEE CAP, NON CAP REQUEST.
UM, THAT WAS APPROVED ON EIGHT 19.
SO THAT'S JUST THERE FOR A SUMMARY FOR, I DO NEED TO UPDATE.
UM, SO THAT PACKET ACCOUNTS FOR THE 500,000, UM, SB 22 FUNDING, BUT THE EXCEL FILE, THE CAP NON CAPITALIST ACCOUNTS FOR IT TO, SO THE TRUE NUMBER THAT'S BEEN APPROVED AT THIS POINT IS THAT 4.9 NUMBER $4,951,275 AND 85 CENTS.
I GUESS I'M STRUGGLING WITH WHERE, WHERE THAT NUMBER IS.
I GUESS THAT WE GOTTA ADD BACK THE 500.
GOTTA ADD THE BACK TO THE 500.
'CAUSE I NOTICED THAT RIGHT NOW THROUGH THE WORKBOOK WHEN I PULLED UP.
KIM'S IT'S ALREADY ACCOUNTED FOR ON HER SPREADSHEET.
SO, UM, JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
AND IT'S ON THE, UM, BREAKDOWN LITTLE PIVOT TABLE LIKE THIS.
IT HAS IT, THE 4.9 THERE AS WELL, JUST X OUT THE BOTTOM.
THAT'S JUST THE DETAILS OF ALL THE ITEMS. BUT THIS IS A SUMMARY, THE PIVOT TABLE, THE BLUE, I'M LOOKING FOR IT.
HERE WE'RE, YEAH, WE HAVE A SUMMARY ANYWHERE OF WHERE WE ARE IN COMPARISON WITH, UH, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE'VE GOTTA SPEND, UH, BEFORE WE BREAK INTO FUND BALANCE.
SHE'S GOING OVER POINT AT THE VERY BOTTOM.
SO, UM, SO THAT 1.6, SO 1,677,000 2 0 5 AND 85 CENTS, THAT ONE PLUS 500,000 WOULD BE DIPPING IN.
SO A LITTLE BIT OVER 2 MILLION.
SO WE'RE ALREADY DIPPING INTO FUND BALANCE TO THE, TO THE TUNE OF 2 MILLION.
THAT'S, THAT'S INCLUDING THE JUVENILE THOUGH THAT NUMBER IS INCLUDING THAT.
SO YOU CAN ALSO, UM, INCLUDING THE, THE 7 47.
SO WITHOUT THAT I CAN, BUT THAT 7 47, WE DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY ACCOUNTED FOR SO FAR FOR JUVENILE OR JJEP.
SO WERE WE DOUBLING UP A LITTLE BIT THERE? THAT IS THE CHANGE.
THAT'S THE CHANGE, THAT'S THE CHANGE CODE BUDGET IS LAST YEAR'S BUDGET.
AND SO THAT REPRESENTS THE INCREMENTAL CHANGE, THE 7 47.
SO THE TOTAL WITH THAT TRANSFER WOULD BE $2,177,205 AND 85 CENTS.
TWO ONE WHAT? 7 7 2 5 AND 85 CENTS.
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I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAD.IS THERE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THE INFORMATION BEEN PRESENTED ON, ON ITEM C? I'LL JUST MENTION, UM, KIM HAD SENT HER UPDATED FILE.
AND SO THE UNAPPROVED CAP, NON CAP ITEMS, UM, WHERE DECISIONS NEED TO BE MADE IS THE TAHOE FROM, UM, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.
SO THEN THAT WAY THE ADDITIONAL REQUESTS FOR, UM, CONSTABLE TWO AND THREE CAN BE DETERMINED BASED ON THEIR VEHICLES.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, UH, THE RADIO, WHETHER WHOEVER'S GETTING IT, WHETHER AN ADDITIONAL RADIO NEEDS TO BE PURCHASED, UM, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THE RADIO TOWER.
UM, AND THEN THE ITEMS THAT, UM, HAVE BEEN PUT INTO CONTINGENCY FOR IF, IF IT'S APPROVED, YOU KNOW, DURING THE YEAR IS, UM, IT, THERE'S A $250,000 RADIO CONTINGENCY AND THEN JUST AN OVERALL CONTINGENCY OF 40,000 FOR ANY OTHER IT RELATED ITEMS THAT MAY COME UP.
AND THEN, UM, CONSTABLE TWO FOR VEHICLE EQUIPMENT CONTINGENCY, THOSE ARE USUALLY REQUESTED, BUT SINCE THE COURT, UM, WANTED THOSE TO BE PUT IN AN OVERALL CONTINGENCY INSTEAD OF THE BUDGET IF NEEDED DURING THE YEAR, SO THAT'S 5,000.
AND THEN ALL THE REQUESTS THAT WERE INITIALLY SUBMITTED FROM THE FIRE MARSHAL, UM, SHE HAS THOSE LISTED.
AND THEN OF COURSE ALL THE DRONES SINCE THE COMMITTEE WILL BE MEETING AND THEN TAKING ACTION AFTER, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL FUNDS IN THERE.
AND THEN, UM, THE OTHER ITEMS THAT SHE HAD ON HERE FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS IS MAKING A DECISION ON THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION.
OF COURSE THEY HAVE, UM, REQUESTED YOU ALL HAVE THAT BUDGET, WHICH INCLUDES A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR, UM, RENOVATIONS FOR THE, UM, JIM WRIGHT BUILDING.
AND THEN OF COURSE, UH, THE 1105 SANTA FE DRIVE.
AND THEN, UH, JUST OTHER THINGS THAT, THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CAP AND COMP NON CAP THERE.
WE'VE MADE NO DECISION ON ANY KIND OF COLA INCREASE FOR ANY EMPLOYEE.
AND BECKY HAS, UM, INFORMATION ON THAT IF YOU ALL WANT TO MOVE ON TO THAT BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO PAST ITEM C FOR CAP, NON CAP, I THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT PLACE.
WE'VE BEEN KICKING THE FOOTBALL A LITTLE BIT ON SOMETHING I'D LIKE US TO CONSIDER TAKING ACTION ON IT.
THE, THAT JASON WAYNE'S BEEN DRIVING AROUND.
UM, WE HAD ASKED EVERYONE AS PART OF THE INITIAL BUDGET SUBMISSION TO INCLUDE ALL THEIR REQUESTS.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, UH, JOE WHO'S IN THE BACK THERE INCLUDED THAT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING IN HIS REQUEST.
AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAME UP LATER FOR SOME OF THE OTHER PARTIES THAT WERE INTERESTED.
SO I'D, I'D MAKE THE MOTION, I THINK TO JUST GO AHEAD AND SETTLE THAT AND GIVE THAT TO THE CONSTABLE SINCE HE, YOU KNOW, SINCE HE CAME FIRST, SO TO SPEAK.
PUT IT AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL REQUEST.
SO I'M GONNA MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THAT TRANSFER IN EXCHANGE OF VEHICLES.
'CAUSE JOE, YOU'RE GIVING JASON YOUR VEHICLE, CORRECT? OR HE'S HAVING TO PURCHASE A TRUCK.
HE WAS APPROVED A NEW VEHICLE.
HE WAS APPRO, HE WAS APPROVED A SMALL PICKUP EFFECTIVELY.
SO I'M GONNA MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE, UH, JUST SETTLE THAT ONE SINCE WE'RE KICKING IT AROUND QUITE A BIT.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HOLT AND I'LL, I'LL SECOND IT FOR THE DISCUSSION PHASE.
WITH, WITH THE DEAL THAT YOU PROPOSED, WE STILL HAVE TO BUY THE RADIO FOR THE, FOR MR. LANE'S VEHICLE? OR WERE YOU, DID YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO WE CAN, WE CAN REMOVE THAT RADIO, THIS VEHICLE'S FOR A TRANSPORT.
SO YEAH, NO, I, I WAS, I WAS WANTING CLARIFICATION BECAUSE I REMEMBER YOU SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.
SHERIFF'S OFFICE LOOKED AT IT AND DECIDED THEY DIDN'T WANT IT.
WHY DIDN'T YOU WANT IT? WE LOOKED AT IT FOR OUR SWAT COMMANDER.
I USED IT AS A COMMAND VEHICLE AND UH, HE LOOKED AT IT WITH A MILEAGE AND WHATEVER AND HE SUITED OR DETERMINED IT WAS NOT SUITED FOR HIS NEEDS.
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THE CONSTABLES, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO BUY TWO RADIOS IF THE OTHER ONE GETS IT.IS THAT CORRECT? OR WHICH ONE? I I DON'T NEED THE RADIO, SIR.
IT, IT'S GONNA BE OUR TRANSPORT VEHICLE.
SO WHAT, WHO DO WE NEED TO BUY TWO RADIOS FOR? I THINK PRECINCT THREE.
CONSTABLE HAD BEEN INTERESTED IN IT.
THAT CAME UP LATER IN THE PROCESS.
AND I THINK THEY WERE GONNA USE IT NOT FOR TRANSPORT, BUT FOR THEIR REGULAR OPERATIONS.
I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR THEM, BUT AS I RECALL, THAT WAS WHERE THE, THE OTHER RADIO CAME IN.
YEAH, ON THE LIFT THERE'S TWO RADIOS FOR CONSTABLE THREE REQUESTED.
BUT IF THEY GOT THE TRUCK, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO BUY THOSE RADIOS RADIO.
IS THAT CORRECT OR NOT? HE STOOD UP THERE AND SAID THAT, BUT, BUT I DON'T THINK ONE OF 'EM DID.
NO, I DON'T THINK IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A PRICE DIFFERENCE TO THE COUNTY, WHETHER WE GIVE IT TO TWO OR THREE.
I'M ASKING 'CAUSE I'M NOT POSITIVE.
BUT DIDN'T THREE HAVE A PICKUP THAT THEY WOULD GIVE THAT THE FRANKEN, HE CALLED IT THE FRANKEN SOMETHING? NO, THAT WAS A TAHOE THAT THEY PUT TOGETHER.
I DIDN'T, I THOUGHT THEY HAD AN EXTRA PICKUP, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE HAVING TROUBLE WITH PICKUPS.
THEY GOT PICKUPS THAT ARE, THEY'RE HAVING OP UH, PROBLEMS WITH.
SO THAT'S PROBABLY NOT THE CASE.
IS THERE ANY OF THE DISCUSSION ON THE SIDE? HEY, LET ME SAY SOMETHING REAL QUICK.
I, NO, I WAS TRYING TO GET CLARIFICATION ON THE RADIO SITUATION FOR PRECINCT THREE'S REQUEST.
ARE YOU READY FOR REBUT? ALL IN FAVOR.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON ITEM C THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS BEFORE WE GO DOWN FURTHER? I'M JUST, AGAIN, UM, WHERE WE CAN AND WHERE WE HAVE INFORMATION THAT, THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH TO MAKE A DECISION, UH, TO LOOK AT GOING AHEAD AND, AND, AND DOING WHAT WE CAN HERE.
THEN THOSE ITEMS THAT DON'T, ARE NOT GOING TO GET ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
AND YOU HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION IN FRONT OF YOU, BUT ASK IT.
LET'S TRY TO LOOK AT THE, THE BIG PICTURE HERE AND LOOK AT HOW THAT APPLIES AS THAT HAS BEEN ARTICULATED CLEARLY BEFORE.
THOSE THAT ARE IN NEED AND NECESSITY.
AND WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA, UH, HAVE TO HAVE, LET'S LOOK AT TRYING TO DO THOSE AND TRYING TO GET THOSE DONE TODAY IF WE CAN.
'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN ON MONDAY OTHER THAN JUST THE TIME TO THINK AND THE PROCESS OVER THE WEEKEND.
SO SOMETIMES NOT, NOT TAKING ACTION MEANS NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO APPROVE THOSE.
[I.D. Human Services Budget Requests. (Brianna Fowler/ Judge Deen) ]
OKAY.LET'S MOVE TO ITEM D ON HUMAN SERVICES BUDGET REQUESTS.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? I THINK WE'VE COVERED THAT PRETTY WELL.
DID WE, UH, WHAT DID WE END UP DOING WITH THE FUNDING FOR THE FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY? THAT $50,000 WE'RE NOT TAKING ANY ACTION EVER.
AND THAT'S A QUESTION WHETHER WE WANT TO REDUCE THAT GIVEN THAT THEY HAVE NOT REQUESTED ANYTHING.
'CAUSE THEN THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT APPROPRIATE THOSE FUNDS SOMEWHERE ELSE? WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT YES.
SHOULD THAT SITUATION ARISE? MM-HMM
KIM, HOW MUCH HAS BEEN SPENT OF THAT, OF THAT FRIEND? HOW MUCH OF THAT? ZERO.
SO I HAD TWO SEPARATE PEOPLE TELL ME THIS WEEKEND OR NOT THIS WEEKEND, EARLIER THIS WEEK, THAT THEY DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THAT.
AND I, YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS HOW MATERIAL THAT IS, BUT I WONDER HOW MUCH WE CAN PROMOTE IT OR HOW MUCH IT'S BEEN PROMOTED AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER.
I, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING FROM PEOPLE THAT GO TO THE LIBRARY, UH, THE LIBRARIANS THERE TELL THEM THAT THE COUNTY IS IMPOSED IS, IS REFUSED TO PAY THEIR PART OF THE, THE LIBRARY AND THEREFORE THEY HAVE TO PAY THE $50 AND THEY DO NOT PASS THE INFORMATION ALONG
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TO THEM.THAT THERE IS A, AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT PAID.
AND CAN I ADD TO WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS THAT WELL ALSO, CAN I ADD TO THAT AND THEN TO WHAT YOU JUST ASKED, YOU'RE ASKING IF WE CAN PROMOTE THIS OR TRY TO PUT MORE INFORMATION OUT AND TRY.
UH, COMMISSIONER WALDEN AND I AND MET WITH THEM AND WE, UH, MORE THAN ONCE, I THINK THAT AND GIVING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY.
AND, AND SO I, I THINK THIS IS MORE OF A, A MESSAGE A A WHAT IT IS, A DECISION BY THEM.
THAT, AND, AND I ASK 'EM POINT BLANK, DO YOU WANT US TO FIND THIS OR NOT? AND THEY SAID NO.
THEN THAT'S WHEN WE CAME UP WITH A PLAN MM-HMM
ON THIS FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY.
AND THEY HAVE, I DON'T WANT, DEFIANTLY IS A VERY STRONG WORD, BUT I THINK THEY HAVE DELIBERATELY NOT TOOK A PENNY AND THEN, THEN CONTINUE WITH THE MESSAGE THAT THIS IS WHAT WE WANT, NOT THAT.
AND SO, TO YOUR POINT, COMMISSIONER, UH, I DON'T THINK WE, I DON'T THINK WE COULD PROMOTE THIS MARKET THIS ANY DIFFERENTLY THAN WHAT WE HAVE OR THE EFFORT THAT WE PUT FORTH.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO DEFUND THIS QUITE FRANKLY, SINCE IT'S FOR TWO YEARS, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
I THINK IT'S THREE, THREE YEARS.
I THINK I SAY TO DEFUND IT WELL, THE, THE JUST, WE JUST WON'T INCLUDE IT IN THE BUDGET.
BUT WE CAN HAVE, WE CAN HAVE MONEY IN CONTINGENCY.
IN CONTINGENCY SHOULD THAT ARISE.
AND I CAN EVEN JUST, SO THERE'S KIND OF A LINE ITEM THERE.
I MEAN I CAN DECREASE IT SAY TO A THOUSAND DOLLARS YEAH.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE, JUST, JUST FOR THE FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY, SIR.
SO WE HAVE THE LINE AND WE CAN MOVE MORE FUNDS.
SO TO BE CLEAR, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE INFORMATION COMES THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT USE THE LIBRARY OR COUNTY, NOT, NOT CITY, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, UH, HAVE FULL ACCESS OR FULL DELINEATION OF THE DATA.
SO THAT MEANS IF, UH, SOMEBODY COMES IN AND CHECKS A MOVIE OUT THAT LIVES IN THE COUNTY, THEN THERE A COUNTY RESIDENT, IF THE HOMESCHOOLERS GO THERE, WHICH THEY GO THERE REGULARLY TO USE THE COMPUTERS THAT IS ALL COUNTED AND ALL, ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
AND WHAT MY POSITION IS AND HAS BEEN IS THAT WE'RE MORE THAN WILLING TO FUND ACTUAL LIBRARY USAGE WHERE SOMEBODY COMES THERE, READS A BOOK, CHECKS A BOOK OUT, BUT AS I HAVE THE VIDEOS TO SHOW, WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN PROVIDING, UH, MONEY FOR THE CRAFT PROJECTS.
AND SO WHERE YOU COME AND PICK UP YOUR FLOWER POT SO THAT YOU CAN DO THE DECK OF PO FOR THAT.
SO THERE THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO WAY TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE IN THERE.
SO WE, WE'D ADVANCED THAT AS A, AS A, A WAY OF COMPENSATING PEOPLE THAT MIGHT SPEND THAT $50.
AND SO I, I CONTINUOUSLY HEAR ABOUT THOSE THINGS, BUT WE HAVE ADDRESSED THAT.
UH, THE JUDGE AND I HAVE ADDRESSED WHAT I WAS DESCRIBING WITH FOLKS FROM THE CITY, UH, TO TRY TO ADDRESS WHAT THE INFORMATION THAT'S BEING PASSED ALONG AT THE LIBRARY.
AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THAT HAS PROBABLY NOT CHANGED.
SO I THINK IF YOU GO THERE AND, AND YOU'RE A COUNTY RESIDENT, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GONNA TELL YOU.
SO THEY'RE UNDERMINING THE INTENT OR YES.
AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND THE SPIRIT OF THE COURT.
I SAY WE DO WHAT I RECOMMEND JUST PULL IT OUT OF CONTINGENCY.
AND DO WE NEED, DO YOU WANT ME TO JUST PUT THE LINE ITEM SO AT LEAST WE HAVE IT? LIKE, I COULD PUT $500 OR A THOUSAND? YOU, YOU CAN.
I JUST WANT, DO WE NEED TO BE INCREASED? WE COULD.
DO WE NEED A MOTION FOR THIS? ON, ON THE, I DON'T THINK SO.
I THINK WE JUST DON'T INCLUDE THAT.
JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT A MOTION? YEAH.
THAT WAY WE'LL SAY, WE'LL REMOVE THE FUNDING AND LET'S SAY LET'S PUT $500 INTO THAT LINE.
YEAH, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE CLEAR.
AND ANY ADDITIONAL, WE CAN DO BUDGET ADJUSTMENT.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? IT IS THE MOTION TO CREATE A CONTINGENCY BOND.
ANYTHING ELSE ON HUMAN SERVICES THAT, THAT, UH, WE DID NOT COVER? I THINK THAT WAS IT.
[I.E. Discuss/Take action on salary grievance process in accordance with local government code section 152.014. (Judge Deen)]
ITEM E, DISCUSS, TAKE ACTION ON SALARY GRIEVANCE PROCESS, OF COURSE, WITH LET GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 51, 52 0.014 TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT.NOW I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, USE ITEM ONE WITH THE SHERIFF COUNTY TAX ASSESSOR COLLECTOR, COUNTY TREASURER, COUNTY CLERK, DISTRICT CLERK, COUNTY ATTORNEY OR CRIMINAL DISTRICT ATTORNEY, AND THE NUMBER OF PUBLIC MEMBERS NECESSARY TO PROVIDE NINE VOTING MEMBERS.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER CONY, SAY, GOOD BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? CARRIE? ABOVE VOTE.
IS THERE, IS THERE ANY OTHER COMPONENT OF THAT WE NEED TO COVER? I THOUGHT THERE WAS, WE DECIDE WHICH ONE.
EITHER COUNTY ATTORNEY OR CRIMINAL DISTRICT ATTORNEY
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OR THAT BE DECIDED.'CAUSE WE HAVE THE, WE CAN DO THAT ON MONDAY WHEN WE DRAW THE NUMBERS.
YEAH, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT SET UP TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW, ARE WE? NO.
SO TODAY IS, UM, APPROVING WHAT YOU DID IS WHAT THE COMMITTEE WILL BE COMPOSED OF, OF THOSE TWO, UM, DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
AND THEN ON MONDAY IT'LL ACTUALLY BE PULLING, UM, THE PUBLIC MEMBERS AND ALTERNATIVES.
AND SO AGAIN, THIS IS ONLY DOING IT IN THE EVENT, UM, THAT A GRIEVANCE IS FILED, UM, GIVEN THE TIGHT, THE TIGHT DEADLINES FOR, UM, HAVING TO POST AGENDAS RIGHT.
FOR PUBLIC HEARING, UM, ADS IN THE NEWSPAPER, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, COURT HAVING TO TAKE ACTION.
THIS IS THE REASON WHY WE'RE DOING IT AHEAD OF TIME.
WHERE DOES THE SHORT LIST FOR THE PUBLIC COME FROM? IT COMES FROM, UM, THE DISTRICT CLERK WILL PROVIDE THE COUNTY CLERK A LIST OF, UM, GRAND JURORS.
THAT'S, AND SO THAT'S WHERE THE JURORS COME FROM? YES.
AND YOU, I BRING THAT LIST OF COURT AND THE JUDGE CHOOSES THE NAMES.
THAT AND SO THERE WILL BE SEVERAL ALTERNATIVES AGAIN, BECAUSE IF YOU HAD TO AND THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING, YOU WANT, YOU KNOW, A LARGER POOL TO PULL FROM IF PEOPLE ARE NOT AVAILABLE.
[I.F. Salaries and Benefits for Elected Officials. (Becky McCullough/ Judge Deen) ]
MOVE TO ITEM F ON SALARIES AND BENEFITS FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS.I'M NOT PREPARED TO DO THAT YET.
I, I'VE, I'VE GOT CONSIDERABLE WORK HERE THAT I'VE BEEN DOING.
UH, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT TODAY.
SO I, I ASK THAT WE DELAY THAT UNTIL, OKAY.
UH, YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ELECTED OFFICIALS? MM-HMM
SO ONE THING I WANT TO MENTION TO THE COURT IS TWO YEARS AGO WE SEPARATED THE COLA VOTE BETWEEN THE ELECTED OFFICIALS VERSUS UNELECTED OR NON-ELECTED EMPLOYEES.
I THINK THAT WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE GOING ON, I THINK THAT WITH THE BOND THAT WE'RE PUTTING FORTH BETWEEN OR BEFORE THE COUNTY, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO LEAD FROM THE FRONT ON THAT.
SO I'M GONNA ASK THAT LAST YEAR, I THINK WE MADE THAT IN ONE VOTE WHERE WE HAD COLA APPLY TO EVERYBODY THIS YEAR.
I'M GONNA ASK THAT WHEN THAT COMES UP FOR COLA, THAT WE SEPARATE THAT OUT BETWEEN THOSE TWO ENTITIES.
ELECTED OFFICIALS VERSUS NON-ELECTED OFFICIALS LIKE WE DID TWO YEARS AGO.
I'M JUST GIVING Y'ALL THE HEADS UP ON THAT.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT APPLIES HERE UNDER THIS PORTION, DOES IT NOT? I THINK WE'LL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN WE MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.
[I.G. Salaries and Benefits for Precincts. (Becky McCullough/ Judge Deen) ]
MOVE TO ITEM G ON SALARY AND BENEFITS FOR PRECINCTS.WE ALWAYS JUST DO THE, I MEAN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT ALL TOGETHER UNDER FUND 10.
TYPICALLY WHATEVER'S DONE FOR FUND 10 IS DONE FOR PRECINCTS.
BUT WE DO A SEPARATE MOTION JUST BECAUSE IT'S DIFFERENT FUNDS.
BUT WE CAN MOVE TO, WE'VE NEVER HAD ANYTHING DIFFERENT FOR EXACT.
I THINK WE JUST ALWAYS SINCE ONE'S FUND 10 AND THE OTHER, RIGHT? YEAH.
[I.H. Salaries and Benefits for PCSO. (Becky McCullough/ Judge Deen) ]
MOVE TO ITEM H ON SOURS AND BENEFITS FOR PARKER COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE.DO, UM, DO YOU WANNA, YOU HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION FROM ME REGARDING THEIR SEVENTH GRADE.
I'M SURE THEY WANNA SPEAK ON IT.
WE THOROUGHLY DISCUSSED THAT WE HAVE ALL THE DATA.
I THINK WE'VE GOT ALL THE DATA THAT WE NEED.
PLEASE MOVE TO ITEM MILE AND SALARIES AND BEN IN PITTSBURGH, NON-ELECTED EMPLOYEES.
I KNOW IN COMMITTEE WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL REVENUE THAT COMES INTO THE COUNTY AND MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, DON'T LOOK AT SALARY AND COLAS IS REOCCURRING COSTS TO GO OR TO GO IN OR THEY ARE REOCCURRING COSTS, BUT WE DON'T WANNA GO INTO FUND BALANCE FOR THAT.
SO LET'S STAY WITHIN THE BUDGET OF THE ADDITIONAL REVENUE OR PROJECTED REVENUE THAT FUND 10 COULD RECEIVE.
SO I DID A LITTLE SHEET FOR Y'ALL AND AT THE TOP I STARTED WITH THE ADDITIONAL PROJECTED REVENUE.
I PUT ALL OF THE INCREASES AND DECREASES FOR FUND 10 TO SHOW THAT THE TOTAL OF 754,696 HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR FUND 10 IN EITHER REMOVAL OF STAFF OR ADDITION OF STAFF.
SO THEN IF YOU TAKE THAT AND SUBTRACT IT FROM THE PROJECTED REVENUE, YOU HAVE A LITTLE OVER $2 MILLION LEFT.
SO THEN I DID IMPACTS A 3% COLA IMPACT, A 4% COLA IMPACT, AND A 5% COLA IMPACT TO WHERE YOU COULD SEE WHAT'S LEFT OF THAT PROJECTED REVENUE BASED ON WHAT LEVEL OF COLA, IF ANY COLA IS GIVEN FOR JUST SIMPLICITY.
I DID INCLUDE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE PART-TIME, FULL-TIME, AND ELECTED OFFICIALS IN THOSE NUMBERS.
SO JUST TO GIVE Y'ALL A GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT ADDITIONAL MONEY IS ADDED TO THE BUDGET EVERY YEAR BASED ON NEW EMPLOYEES OR A COLA
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TO WHERE IT'S REALLY EASY TO SAY, OKAY, THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS COMES FROM PROJECTED REVENUE.NOW WHEN WE LOOK AT THE CAPITAL EXPENSE, NON CAP OR CAPITAL EXPENDITURES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED, THOSE CAN EASILY BE JUST FROM FUND BALANCE OR IS THERE MONEY LEFT OVER TO WHERE YOU COULD TAKE IT AS WELL? AGAIN, JUST INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES.
I THOUGHT FOR ME IT KIND OF HELPED ME LOOK AT IT TO SEE THAT.
I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR Y'ALL.
IT IS HELPFUL ON YOUR SHEET AND I, I KNOW YOU EMAILED US A COPY OF IT.
UM, DID YOU HAPPEN TO SUM UP THE TOTALS OF THOSE FOUR CATEGORIES? PART-TIME, FULL-TIME ELECTED AND SHERIFF'S OFFICE WHERE WE KNOW A PERCENTAGE BREAKDOWN OF THE TOTAL SEVEN? UM, HOLD ON.
IF YOU DIDN'T, I'M SURE ONE OF US CAN.
YEAH, I MEAN I CAN GO BACK AND BREAK IT OUT.
I MEAN, I DO HAVE ELECTED BROKE OUT.
I DID SEND Y ALL THOSE NUMBERS.
UH, I DO HAVE SOME INFORMATION WHERE YOU CAN SEE THAT I CAN PASS OUT TO SHOW THE IMPACT FOR DIFFERENT COLAS OF COURSE, PART-TIME AND TIME.
AND THEN I SEPARATED OUT THE SHERIFF OFFICE DIVISION AND THE COMMISSION DIVISION BASED ON
AND I HAVE A SEPARATE ONE SHOWING THE IMPACT OF THEIR NEW PAY SCALE IF THAT WAS APPROVED AS WELL FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE LISTENING.
THE REASON YOU SEPARATED OUT CIVIL VERSUS COMMISSIONED IS COMMISSIONED RECEIVE STEP AND GRADE AND CIVIL DOES NOT, THEY BOTH RECEIVE STEP AND GRADE, ALL OF THE CIVIL DOES FOR SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
WELL, THEY'RE DISPATCH AND ANIMAL CONTROL.
SORRY, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATIVE.
SO THE ADMINISTRATIVE FOR SHERIFF'S OFFICE WOULD BE INCLUDED INTO THAT, LIKE 3% THANK YOU.
OR ONE OF THOSE OTHER COLA NUMBERS.
SO REGARDING THE STEP AND GRADE, AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, IT AVERAGES OUT TO ABOUT 6%.
THE BIG DIFFERENCE OF THAT, AND SOME OF YOU HAVE ASKED ME, YOU KNOW, FOR THOSE NUMBERS IS WHERE DID THE PERCENTAGES FALL? UM, IT'S ANYWHERE FROM LIKE TWO TO I THINK ALMOST 14% DEPENDING ON POSITION AND YEARS OF SERVICE.
UM, ONE THING I DO WANT TO POINT OUT WITH THE STEP AND GRADE THAT THE SHERIFF DEVELOPED THAT STEP AND GRADE FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, HE DID NOT DEVELOP IT FOR BAILIFFS OR CONSTABLES, BUT COMMISSIONER'S COURT PUT BAILIFFS AND CONSTABLES ON THAT STEP IN GRADE YEARS AGO.
SO I DO FEEL LIKE THAT WE'RE AT A TIME, IF THAT NEW STEP IN GRADE IS PASSED, A DECISION'S GONNA HAVE TO BE MADE IF THOSE POSITIONS ARE GONNA STAY IN THAT STEPPING GRADE BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO CREATE A SNOWBALL EFFECT WHEN WE START LOOKING AT WHAT SOME INVESTIGATORS ARE PAID IN OTHER OFFICES, WHAT DEPUTY CONSTABLES ARE PAID VERSUS WHAT A CONSTABLE'S PAID.
WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF ADDING THEM SEVERAL YEARS AGO? I DON'T RECALL DOING THAT.
I THINK THEY CAME AND ASKED Y'ALL AND YOU APPROVED IT.
I THINK IT WAS A YEAR OR TWO AFTER THE STEPPING GRADE FIRST CAME INTO PLAY.
I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT YOU SAID.
SO WHEN DID WE START THE STEPPING GRADE? I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANY, ANY FORMAL ACTION TAKEN.
WHY WOULD WE DO THAT? THEY JUST WENT TO COMMISSION PEOPLE OR MOST COMMISSION PEOPLE WITHIN THE AGENCY.
AND THE REASON WE DO STEP AND GRADE FOR OUR FOLKS, UH, IT'S THE ONES THAT ARE ON CALL WORK WEEKENDS, WORK SHIFT WORK, WORK NIGHTS.
UM, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE DON'T, THE DIFFERENCE IS.
SO HOW DID THEY GET AT IT? SOME DO, SOME DON'T.
THEY CAME TO US AND ASKED, DO YOU, DO YOU KNOW THEY CAME TO US AND ASKED.
THEY CAME TO GO AND ASKED WHAT'S THAT? Y'ALL CAME TO US AND ASKED.
YEARS AGO IT WAS EVERYBODY, THE GUNS AND BADGES WERE ALL PUT ON THE SAME AND THEN, AND THEN FROM THERE IT PROGRESSED.
I, I, SO YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S A DILEMMA THAT WE GET IN AND I, I, LIKE I SAID, I'VE, I'VE GOT A, A COPY HERE OF THE SALARY FOR EVERYBODY, AND THAT'S A COUNTY EMPLOYEE LAST YEAR AND, AND WHAT THEIR, WHAT THEY WOULD BE FOR THIS NEXT YEAR.
AND I, I DON'T KNOW, UH, THE SITUATION THAT WE GET INTO IS, I, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE END IS.
AT SOME POINT HERE WE NEED TO SAY THAT THIS JOB PAYS THIS AMOUNT, WHETHER IT'S THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE OR IT'S, IT'S WHATEVER IT IS, BUT WE CONTINUE TO INCREASE THOSE.
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I'M SITTING HERE LOOKING AT HOW THINGS GET OUT OF WHACK WHEN WE CONTINUE TO BLANKET A CO INCREASE TO EVERYBODY THAT WORKS IN THE COUNTY.UH, THEY MAY NOT BE OUTTA LINE TO, TO OTHER PEOPLE, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT THE OTHER FACTORS THAT COME INTO PLAY ARE THAT WE, WE HAVE SALARIES THAT WE ARE, UH, GIVEN THAT WE HAVE TO PAY FROM, UH, HONESTLY FROM, FROM JUVENILE PROBATION, UH, PURCHASING BOARD, UH, FROM THE, UH, OTHER, UH, GROUPS THAT ARE APPOINTED IN HERE.
AND SO TRYING TO KEEP ALL OF THAT IN LINE IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT.
AND SO THAT'S WHEN I SAID I WAS WORKING ON AND LOOKING AT THINGS, IT'S, YOU START LOOKING AT WHAT SALARIES ARE FOR DIFFERENT POSITIONS IN HERE AND WHAT THEY MAY BE IN COMPARISON WITH OTHERS.
AND, UH, THERE, THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE OUTTA LINE AND, AND WE CONTINUE TO GIVE A PERCENTAGE INCREASE THAT THE, THE PEOPLE THAT MAKE THE MOST, GET THE MOST PERCENTAGE, I MEAN, GET THE MOST MONEY EVERY TIME.
UH, SO I DON'T, I DON'T, I'M NOT TELLING YOU I HAVE THE ANSWER, BUT I'M JUST POINTING OUT THE OBVIOUS HERE.
IF YOU START LOOKING AT WHO GETS PAID WHAT IN THE COUNTY AND WHAT THEY DO, UH, THINGS ARE NOT ALWAYS IN LINE.
AND WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING TO HELP THAT.
SO, UM, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE DONE THIS PREVIOUSLY, BUT EVERY TIME WE START ON THIS, DOWN THIS TRAIL, THEN WE GET PEOPLE PARADING IN TO TELL US, WELL, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, IN THIS COUNTY, UH, THIS POSITION PAYS THIS AMOUNT, BUT HERE IT DOESN'T PAY ENOUGH.
WELL, THERE'S DIFFERENT RESPONSIBILITIES.
SO AT SOME POINT HERE, WE, WE NEED SOME HELP.
AND I KNOW WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE, AND WHAT WE, WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS HAVE, UH, SPEND THE MONEY TO HAVE SOMEBODY COME IN HERE, UH, THAT HAS EXPERIENCE OUTSIDE OF PARKER COUNTY, UH, TO COME IN HERE AND DO AN EVALUATION OF THE SALARIES.
AND I, BECKY, I KNOW WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE.
HOW LONG AGO HAS THAT BEEN? SINCE WE'VE DONE THAT, WHEN WE'VE HAD TAC COME IN WITH THEIR CONSULTANT TO EVALUATE? YEAH.
WE DID IT ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO.
JUST INTERNALLY, WE SAID A, A COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT IT.
UM, BECAUSE I KNOW WHEN I MET WITH TAC AND SHOWED THEM A LOT OF THE SALARIES, AND I'M JUST GONNA PICK ON CUSTODIANS, THEY IMMEDIATELY HIGHLIGHTED THAT AS VERY SHOCKING OF WHAT THAT POSITION IS PAID.
AND SHE SHOCKED ME THE OTHER DAY.
AND SO THAT I, AGAIN, THAT WAS JUST THE ONE THING THAT, THAT POPPED OUT AT THEM.
AND SO YES, WE COULD HIRE A COMPANY TO COME IN AND DO A SALARY SURVEY, PROBABLY COST A HUNDRED SOMETHING THOUSAND DOLLARS TO DO IT.
T TACK CHARGES THAT AMOUNT NO.
BUT SOME COMPANIES HIRE LIKE AN OUTSIDE CONSULTING COMPANY TO COME IN AND LOOK AT IT.
THOSE ARE VERY EXPENSIVE TO HAVE DONE.
AND SO MY QUESTION ALWAYS TO COURT IS IF WE PAY THAT MONEY TO, TO AN OUTSIDE COMPANY AND THEY COME BACK AND SAY, THIS POSITION SHOULD BE PAID MINIMUM WAGE.
IS THE COURT GOING TO TAKE THAT ACTION? WELL, I THINK PROBABLY WHEN WE LOOK AT SOME OF THESE, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS LIST I'VE GOT HERE, THERE'S SOME SHOCKING THINGS IN HERE THAT NEED TO BE IDENTIFIED.
AND SOME CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF THEY'RE MAKING, YOU KNOW, AND I'M JUST USING THAT IN COMPARISON WITH OTHERS, UM, IT'S, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT ARE OUTTA WHACK.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GET 'EM STRAIGHTENED OUT OTHER THAN HAVE SOMEBODY COME IN AND HELP US LOOK AT 'EM BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU START LOOKING AT THE, THE BENEFITS, THE, THE THINGS THAT ARE PAID AND, AND WHO MAKES WHAT.
UH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA CORRECT THEMSELVES IF WE CONTINUE TO DO WHAT WE'RE DOING.
SO IF THEY COME IN AND SAY, WE'RE PAYING TOO MUCH, ARE WE GONNA DECREASE THOSE PEOPLE'S SALARY? THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT, NO, MY MY POINT IS THAT WE DON'T DECREASE THEIR SALARIES, BUT WE DON'T CONTINUE TO GIVE THEM THE COLA RAISES EVERY YEAR.
THAT POSITION GETS SINGLED OUT, AND IT SITS THERE UNTIL IT, UH, THE OTHERS ARE, ARE CAUGHT UP.
AND, AND SO THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT AT SOME POINT YOU GOTTA SAY, THIS POSITION PAYS THIS AMOUNT, AND, AND IT DOESN'T PAY MORE THAN THAT UNTIL, YOU KNOW,
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THINGS CHANGE.OR ANOTHER THING IS AS A, YOU KNOW, AS A POSITION IS, IS A NEW POSITION IS GRANTED, OR A NEW POSITION BECOMES VACANT, YOU KNOW, AND WE DID, WE PUT IN THAT MINIMUM, YOU KNOW, MID MAX SALARY STRUCTURE A COUPLE YEARS AGO, UM, THAT HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL, YOU KNOW, IN A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS THAT, YOU KNOW, FOLLOW THOSE RULES.
UM, I MEAN, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, I MEAN, THEY HAVE A, A STEP ONE THAT, THAT GOES THROUGH THERE.
UH, WE GET A LITTLE BIT OF PUSHBACK BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SOME DEPARTMENT HEADS ARE LIKE, WELL, IT'S IN MY BUDGET.
I CAN SPEND IT, YOU KNOW, HOW I WANT TO BASED ON SALARIES.
BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THAT'S BEEN VERY WELL RECEIVED TO TRY TO HELP BRING THOSE STARTING BALANCES, STARTING PAYS DOWN.
WELL, IT SEEMS TO ME EVERY TIME WE HIRE SOMEBODY, WE'RE, WELL, WE CAN'T HIRE THEM FOR THIS, BUT IF WE'LL ADD 20 OR 30,000 MORE, WE CAN HIRE SOMEBODY BETTER OR WHATEVER, EVERY TIME FOR A LONG TIME, THAT'S BEEN, THAT'S BEEN WHAT I'VE HEARD.
AND I, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE, HOW WE RECONCILE IT, IS WHAT I'M POINTING OUT.
UM, WE NEED TO, UH, EXPLORE, UH, WHAT IT WOULD COST TO HAVE TEXAS ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES COME IN AND, AND DO AN EVALUATION WHERE THEY CAN DO SOME KIND OF A DESK REVIEW HERE.
BUT, UM, THE, THE, THE DEAL COMES IN.
WHAT, WHAT COMES ABOUT IS, WELL, UH, THEY WANNA COME AND ASK YOU WHAT YOU DO.
THEY WANNA COME IN AND ASK, SO WHAT, WHAT DO YOU DO AT YOUR JOB? WHAT ARE YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES? BECAUSE THE, JUST BECAUSE THE JOB TITLE IS THE SAME AS SOME OTHER COUNTY DOES NOT MEAN THAT THOSE PEOPLE DO THE SAME IN YOUR COUNTY AS THEY DO IN OTHER COUNTIES IN TEXAS.
THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO TASK EITHER A PERSON OR A COMMITTEE TO PHYSICALLY GO AROUND TO DIFFERENT OFFICES TO OBSERVE WHAT ALL IS BEING DONE.
BECAUSE ANYBODY CAN MAKE A JOB DESCRIPTION LOOK AMAZING.
NO, THEY'RE GONNA, NO, THEY'RE GONNA CHARGE FOR IT.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'LL CHARGE FOR IT.
I MEAN, THEY'LL COME IN AND LIKE, HELP WITH THE COMMITTEE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT TAC THEMSELVES ARE GONNA GO TO OFFICES.
THEY'RE GONNA WANT THE, SOME PEOPLE WITHIN THE COUNTY TO DO THAT.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
WE, WE, WE CONSTANTLY GET THIS DEAL ABOUT, WELL, SOME, YOU KNOW, STATISTICS LAID ON US ABOUT THINGS, AND I'M, I'M NOT PICKING ON YOU, MARK, I JUST SEE IT LAYING HERE.
UH, BUT, BUT WHATEVER THE SITUATION IS, WELL, YOU KNOW, IN SOME OTHER COUNTY, THEY'RE PAID THIS AMOUNT FOR DOING THIS JOB.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S THE SAME AS WHAT'S HERE.
AND WE GET THOSE STATISTICS BROUGHT TO US.
BUT IF WE CONTINUE TO FOLLOW THE PATH THAT WE'RE ON, THEN THE, THE MISALIGNMENT OF SALARIES THAT I'M LOOKING AT RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF ME IS GONNA GET WORSE.
AND SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER, IT'S GOTTA BE STRAIGHTENED OUT AND BROUGHT IN LINE.
SO I, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU WOULD GO BACK TO TAC SEE WHAT THE PROCESS MIGHT BE, AND, UH, I THINK THAT, UH, THIS IS WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
WE, SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, WE'RE, WE'RE DEVELOPING A PROCESS HERE WHEREBY WE'RE GOING TO BE KIND OF EVALUATING WHAT GOES ON IN EACH DEPARTMENT THROUGH, THROUGH INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS OF COURT, IN CONJUNCTION WITH A, A COMMITTEE.
AND, UH, I WANT TO MAKE THAT A PART OF IT.
AND, AND SO THAT WE, WE GET, WHEN YOU COME IN AS DEPARTMENT HEAD AND WE LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON IN YOUR DEPARTMENT, YOU GIVE US A LIST OF SALARIES, AND THEN WE START TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE JOB RESPONSIBILITIES ARE SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SOME KIND OF AN EVALUATION OF HOW WE CAN, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, BRING THESE SALARIES IN LINE WITH WHAT THE JOB DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES ARE, UH, WITH SOME ASSISTANCE FROM AN OUTSIDE, OUTSIDE, UH, UH, CONSULTANT PERHAPS.
I, I'LL REACH OUT TO TACK AND KIND OF START THE BALL ROLLING ON THAT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'LL GET DONE FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR.
NO, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT FOR THIS YEAR.
I'M JUST NOT, I MEAN, UN UNTIL WE IDENTIFY THE PROBLEM AND GET A PLAN TO WORK ON IT, IT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO WORK.
WELL, MAYBE AS WE, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S GONNA BE ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM COMING UP FOR COMMITTEE, MAYBE AFTER WE FINISH THIS BUDGET TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT THE COMMITTEE.
I KNOW THERE'S BEEN, UM, TALK ABOUT MAYBE ADDING A FEW MORE MEMBERS TO THE COMMITTEE, A FEW MORE MEMBERS TO THE PUBLIC.
THAT THIS COULD, SOMETHING THAT COULD GO THROUGH THAT COMMITTEE AND I COULD INVITE TAC IN TO SPEAK AS WELL.
AND, AND WHAT BECKY'S GETTING AT IS, UM, I THINK MR. HEISER CAN ATTEST THAT THE, THE FIRST YEAR OF THE BUDGET COMMITTEE I THINK WAS VERY HELPFUL.
I HOPE THAT THOSE OF YOU WHO, UH, WHO SAW KIND OF THE OUTPUT WOULD AGREE THAT THE RANKINGS WERE HELPFUL.
WE'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT DOING SOME KIND OF SINGLE DEPARTMENT
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REVIEWS ON AN ONGOING BASIS FOR THE PURPOSE OF EFFICIENCY AND LEANNESS, SOMETHING THAT I'VE HEARD QUITE A BIT OF INTEREST FROM IS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO PARTICIPATE ON THAT COMMITTEE, OR AT LEAST BE, HAVE, IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE VISIBLE.AND SO WHAT I'LL BE PROPOSING IN THE FUTURE IS THAT WE EXPAND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON THAT COMMITTEE AND ALSO OPEN IT AND PUBLICIZE IT TO THE PUBLIC.
SO WHAT I WAS GONNA SUGGEST THEN, IT, IT, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IS, FOR EXAMPLE, PICK A DEPARTMENT, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE OR TWO COMMISSIONERS COULD BE A PART OF THE COMMITTEE FOR SAY, BUILDING THE GROUNDS AND, AND, AND OTHER MEMBERS OF COURT COULD BE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE FOR ANOTHER DEPARTMENT.
SO THAT WE'RE, WE SPREAD OUT THE WORKLOAD THERE SO THAT EVERYBODY HAS A CHANCE TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON IN A DIFFERENT ONE.
AND RATHER THAN ASSIGN GEORGE TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK INTO BUILDING A GROUNDS, HAVE GEORGE BE A MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE, THAT THAT DOES THE REVIEW OF BUILDING GROUNDS.
THAT WAY EVERYBODY'S INVOLVED AND, AND THE SAME, YOU KNOW, TWO PEOPLE, TWO PEOPLE FROM COURT, BE A MEMBER FOR EACH ONE AND DIVVY THOSE UP SO THAT EVERYBODY'S TAKES PART IN IT.
I DUNNO IF THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME, BUT I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT HOW THAT HAS BEEN HELPFUL IN, IN, UM, CATEGORIZE OUR PRIORITIZING WHAT THE, THE, UH, ONE THROUGH FIVE FOR US TO HELP US TO UNDERSTAND THAT BETTER AND TO PRIORITIZE THOSE.
I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT KIND OF A REVOLVING, MAYBE HAVE LIKE ONE YEAR HAVE TWO MEMBERS OF THE COURT AND MAYBE HAVE A REVOLVING ROTATION TO HAVE OTHERS INCLUDE, SO WE CAN ALL SURE.
AND, AND, AND, AND HELP US BETTER UNDERSTAND THE BUDGETING PROCESS AND, AND THE PRIORITIZATION OF THOSE NEEDS AS WELL.
I THINK WHAT, WHAT OUR COMMITTEE DID THIS TIME, UH, WAS NOT NECESSARILY, UH, THE, THE, THE NET EFFECT WAS NOT SEEN BECAUSE SOME OF THE REQUESTS THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN IN THERE THAT MIGHT HAVE MADE IT TO COURT DIDN'T MAKE IT BECAUSE WE HAD THAT COMMITTEE.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, PAIRING OUT AND REMOVAL YEAH.
THAT WE, WE SAW SOME THINGS REQUESTED AND THEN, OH, NO, NEVERMIND.
I'M, I'M ONLY GONNA ASK FOR THIS.
SO, AND I THINK THE COURT HAS FOLLOWED PRETTY MUCH THE COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATIONS EXCEPT FOR ONE.
SO I, I, I APPRECIATE, AND I THINK IT WAS A BIG BENEFIT HAVING THAT THIS YEAR.
YOU KNOW, THIS BEING THE THIRD BUDGET THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH, I THINK IS A BIG BENEFIT.
I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE PROBABLY ALL SEEN WHAT TRUMP ADMINISTRATION'S DONE WITH THEIR DOGE COMMITTEES.
I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT WE KIND OF FOLLOW THAT LEAD.
I THINK IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY.
I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP, AND WE'RE CONSISTENT WITH HAVING GOOD QUALIFIED INDIVIDUALS ON THESE COMMITTEES.
I THINK IF WE LOOK AT PEOPLE THAT ARE PROFESSIONAL AT ANALYZING NUMBERS, I THINK IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO HAVE THEM AS A COMMON DENOMINATOR IN ALL THE COMMITTEES.
EVEN IF WE AS COURT MEMBERS ARE ROTATING OUT IN DIFFERENT DIVISIONS OR DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS SUGGESTING.
I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T CLARIFY THAT, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE, THAT WOULD BE THE, THE, THE WE, WE WOULD ROTATE OUT.
BUT THE, THE, YEAH, THE, THE BASE GROUP, I THINK THERE'D BE VALUE IN THAT, SO, ABSOLUTELY.
I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT FOR MY 2 CENTS, AND THANK Y'ALL FOR DOING IT.
I, I THINK CHIEF ANETTE WAS ABOUT TO SPEAK.
IF YOU GUYS DON'T MIND, I'D LIKE TO TAKE JUST A FEW MINUTES OF YOUR TIME TO TALK ABOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT SALARIES, BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS CONTENTIOUS.
JUDGE, CAN I GET THE, UH, CAN I GET THE, THERE'S ALWAYS A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT, SALARIES AND, UH, HOW THEY AFFECT THE COUNTY BUDGET, AND WHY DO WE PAY LAW ENFORCEMENT, WHAT WE DO, UM, AND HOW DO WE COME UP WITH THOSE NUMBERS? SOME OF THE COMMENTS HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST, HAVE BEEN, WHEN DOES IT EVER END? UM, WHY DO WE HAVE TO COME BACK ALL THE TIME AND ASK FOR, YOU KNOW, ADJUSTMENTS TO THE, TO THE, UM, TO THE SCALE THAT WE HAVE? AND THE SHORT ANSWER IS BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION, THE GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION WE LIVE IN, IT, IT DOESN'T REALLY EVER END.
UM, WHAT I, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT OTHER AGENCIES, SIMILAR AGENCIES, COMPARATIVE AGENCIES? UM, AND YES, I HAVE GONE BACK
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AND DONE THAT.SO BASED ON POPULATION, AND AS YOU'LL SEE HERE, AND, AND EVERYBODY HAS IT UPDATED SHEET ON THEIR DESK, UH, THIS IS OUR PCSO FACT SHEET BASED ON, UH, POPULATION ESTIMATES.
UM, THE AGENCY POPULATION IS THE, THE NUMBER OF, UH, CITIZENS THAT THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY SERVES.
AND THEN YOU HAVE NEXT TO THAT THE COUNTY POPULATION.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE TOTAL COUNTY POPULATION FOR THAT COUNTY, FOR THAT SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
UH, THE DIFFERENCE BEING THAT IF THEY'RE NOT INSIDE A, UM, A CITY THAT HAS A POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE NUMBERS.
SO, AS YOU CAN TELL BY THOSE, UH, THOSE NUMBERS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF IN LINE WITH, WITH A LOT OF THESE AGENCIES.
KAUFMAN SMITH, COLE MALL, HAYES COUNTY.
AND I REACHED OUT TO THOSE COUNTIES, UM, RECENTLY AND SPOKE WITH THEM AND THEIR, UH, THEIR ADMINISTRATORS, AND I WAS ABLE TO GET THEIR PAY SCALES FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
SO WHAT WE HAVE IS, AND LAW ENFORCEMENT ACROSS THE NATION, YOU'LL FIND THAT PROBABLY 95% OF THEM HAVE A PAY SCALE.
AND IT'S BASED ON, USUALLY BASED ON THREE METRICS.
NUMBER ONE IS THE, THE RANK THAT THEY ARE, WHICH WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, DEPUTY CORPORAL, SERGEANT, LIEUTENANT CAPTAIN, UM, SOME HAVE MAJORS AND THEN CHIEF DEPUTIES OR DEPUTY CHIEFS.
THE STEPS, UH, GO FROM USUALLY IN LINE WITH THE YEARS OF SERVICE.
SOME OF THESE, LIKE, THIS IS, THIS IS, UH, SMITH COUNTY KAUFMAN.
THEY ALL DO IT A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
MOST OF THESE, MOST OF THESE AGENCIES HAVE EITHER A NINE OR 10 YEAR TOP OUT, AL AND THEN HAYES.
UM, YOU SEE MOST OF 'EM TOP ABOUT 9, 10, 11 YEARS, WHICH IS TRUE FOR MOST LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES, INCLUDING WEATHERFORD POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UH, THEY HAVE, SOME OF 'EM ARE A LITTLE SHORTER.
AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, AVAILABLE TO US THROUGH NORTH RICHLAND HILLS HARD WORK, UM, A-D-F-W-A PAY SCALE, AVERAGE PAY SCALE, UH, FOR 41 DIFFERENT DFW AREA AGENCIES.
NOW, THIS PAY SCALE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT ACTUALLY WENT INTO EFFECT, OR THESE ARE THE NUMBERS FROM OCTOBER 1ST, 2023.
SO THIS, THIS IS TWO YEARS OLD.
UM, THEY DID UPDATE SOME, UH, THEY DID UPDATE SOME FOR THEIR, UM, FOR THEIR AGENCY IN NORTH LI HILLS DID, BUT THEY DID NOT INCLUDE ALL THESE OTHER AGENCIES.
WHAT YOU CAN SEE FROM THESE, UM, A LOT OF THESE PAY SCALES, THESE DIFFERENT PAY SCALES, IS OVER TIME HOW LAW ENFORCEMENT SALARIES, NOT ONLY IN THE DFW AREA, BUT ACROSS THE STATE AND ACROSS THE NATION CHANGE.
UM, EACH ONE OF THESE AGENCIES HAVE THEIR OWN PAY SCALES.
THEY HAVE THEIR OWN, UM, UH, SPECIAL PAY THAT THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT BE FOR BILINGUAL OR EDUCATIONAL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WHICH ARE NOT INCLUDING THESE BASE SALARIES.
WHAT YOU'LL FIND IS LAW ENFORCEMENT ACROSS THE NATION, THEY ALL HAVE PAY SCALES.
AND EVERY YEAR, THE ELECTED BODY HAS TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION ON WHERE THOSE PAY SCALES RANK IN CORRELATION TO OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES OR, OR OTHER CITIES OR COUNTIES IN THEIR GEOGRAPHICAL AREA.
AND SO, WE TALK ABOUT PREVAILING WAGE A LOT.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PREVAILING WAGE FOR THE DFW AREA, AND YOU LOOK AT THE PREVAILING WAGE FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS, UM, OUR REQUEST USUALLY FALL BELOW WHATEVER THAT PREVAILING WAGE IS WITH THIS NEW SALARY OR UPDATED PAY SCALE THAT WE'VE ASKED FOR.
THE BIGGEST CHANGE IS THE CONDENSING IT FROM 12 YEARS DOWN TO 10.
AND SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF TIMES, OR WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE, IN THE, THE LIST THAT BECKY GAVE YOU, IS THAT SOME OF THESE LOOK LIKE HUGE INCREASES FOR THESE EMPLOYEES.
BUT ACTUALLY WHAT IT IS, IS THEY'RE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE AT NINE YEARS OF SERVICE.
AND SO, WITH THE MODIFICATION OF OUR REQUESTED PAY SCALE, IT CONDENSES THOSE LAST THREE YEARS INTO ONE, UM, BUMP FOR 'EM.
SO THEY GET YEAR NINE, 10, AND 11 AND 12 ALL AT ONE TIME.
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THE HUGE INCREASE IN THAT, THAT ONE EMPLOYEE'S SALARY.BUT THE STRUCTURE THAT WE PUT IN PLACE, I FEEL IS FAIRLY CONSERVATIVE.
UM, IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE TO REALLY WHAT THE DFW PAYS FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT OR WHAT OUR COMPARISON COUNTIES PAY FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT.
UM, THE BIGGEST CHANGE, LIKE I SAID, IS COMPRESSING IT DOWN FROM 12 YEARS DOWN TO 10
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT PAY SCALES, AND I'M, YOU, EVERYBODY IN HERE HAS PROBABLY ALREADY HEARD THIS, HEARD ME TALK ABOUT THIS.
I'M REALLY TALKING TO THE PUBLIC.
UM, AND YOU TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT RANKS.
SO FOR A PATROL DEPUTY, AND YOU SEE THE PEACE OFFICER SALARIES LISTED HERE FOR A PATROL DEPUTY, THEY WORK 12 HOUR SHIFTS.
UH, THEY HAVE REALLY NO OTHER RESPONSIBILITIES OTHER THAN GO OUT, ANSWER THEIR CALLS, AND THEN THEY'RE DONE.
UM, AS YOU MOVE UP THE RANKS, NOT ONLY DO YOU INCREASE THE LEVEL OF RESPONSIBILITY THAT THAT EMPLOYEE INCURS, BUT THEY ALSO BRING ALONG WITH THEM THE KNOWLEDGE, THE TRAINING AND EXPERIENCE.
AND SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS YOU'LL SEE OUR PATROL CORPORALS AND OUR OTHER CORPORALS, YOU KNOW, WITH, UH, AVERAGE YEARS OF SERVICE, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN TWO AND 10 YEARS OF SERVICE WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
AS YOU GET THE SERGEANT, YOU'LL SEE THAT THOSE SERGEANTS HAVE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN FIVE AND 20 YEARS.
AND AS YOU GET TO LIEUTENANTS, YOU'LL SEE MOST OF 'EM HAVE OVER 20 YEARS, CAPTAINS WELL OVER 20 YEARS.
AND SO WHENEVER YOU TALK ABOUT THE, THE SEPARATION OF THE STEPS OF THE PAY, AND YOU TALK ABOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT COMPENSATION, YOU'RE COMPENSATING THEM NOT ONLY FOR THE JOB THAT THEY DO, BUT ALSO THE LEVEL OF RESPONSIBILITY THAT THEY TAKE ON.
AND YOU'RE ALSO COMPENSATING FOR THE TRAINING, THE EDUCATION, THE EXPERIENCE THAT THEY HAVE.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE LAW ENFORCEMENT SALARIES, AND THAT'S HOW THEY'RE STRUCTURED, UM, ACROSS THE NATION.
IT'S, IT'S UNIQUE TO PUBLIC SAFETY.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA FIND, I MEAN, FIRE, I THINK WORKS PROBABLY THE SAME WAY.
EMSI DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THEIR SALARIES, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD IMAGINE THEY PROBABLY WORK SIMILAR.
BUT TEXAS LAW HAS A LOT TO SAY ABOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT, HOW WE DO OUR, OUR, OUR, UH, DUTIES AND, AND HOW COMPENSATION'S MADE AND THE RIGHTS RESPONSIBILITIES, UH, OF LAW ENFORCEMENT, UH, ACROSS THE STATE.
AND SO WHENEVER YOU, YOU TRY TO APPLY, UH, A SALARY STRUCTURE OUTSIDE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT TO OTHER COUNTY EMPLOYEES OR OTHER EMPLOYEES OF ANY TYPE, IT'S NOT REALLY GONNA MESH WELL OR IT DOESN'T REALLY FIT INTO WHAT, UH, MOST LAW ENFORCEMENT SALARIES, UH, ARE BASED ON.
UM, I GUESS THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS YOU CAN'T REALLY COMPARE A SALARY OF ANOTHER COUNTY EMPLOYEE WITH COMPENSATION FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT, BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE IN THE NATION DOES THAT.
YOU CAN'T, IT'S, IT'S NOT APPLES TO APPLES.
SO WHENEVER YOU TALK ABOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT COMPENSATION, YOU HAVE TO COMPARE IT TO WHAT OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES AND THE DFW AND THE STATE MAKE.
UM, THAT'S, I'M NOT TRYING TO SWAY THE COURT.
I KNOW YOU GOT A LOT OF HARD DECISIONS TO MAKE, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT MR. WALL WAS TALKING ABOUT.
AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOTTA BE A STANDARD, UM, FOR THE, THE COURT HAS SET THIS STANDARD FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE A LONG TIME AGO.
A GUY COMING IN, A 21-YEAR-OLD GUY COMING IN OUT OF THE ACADEMY, HE STARTS AT, AT, AT THE FIRST STEP AS A DEPUTY.
OKAY? HE DOESN'T, UH, HE DOESN'T PROGRESS FURTHER UNTIL HE GETS MORE EXPERIENCE, MORE TRAINING, AND MORE YEARS UNDER HIS BELT.
UM, THESE STEPS ARE NOT INTENDED TO BE COST OF LIVING RES, THEY'RE INTENDED TO BE, UM, REALLY COMPENSATION FOR THAT LEVEL OF TRAINING AND EXPERIENCE IN THAT GRADE, RIGHT? YEAH.
UM, SO AS YOU MOVE THROUGH YOUR STEPS IN YOUR GRADE, WE EXPECT YOU TO BE SMARTER.
WE EXPECT YOU TO MAKE BETTER DECISIONS, EVEN THOUGH YOUR RESPONSIBILITY KINDS OF STAYS THE SAME.
YOU'RE GETTING COMPENSATED FOR YOUR YEARS OF SERVICING YOUR LOYALTY TO THE AGENCY.
I'M GONNA ASK YOU A HARD QUESTION.
WE HAVE A STEP AND GRADE, UH, PLAN IN PLACE RIGHT NOW.
EVERY YEAR WE HAVE A NEW CHANGED STEP AND GRADE THAT YOU BRING TO US.
THAT, THAT HAS SIGNIFICANT CHANGES AND SIGNIFICANT CHANGES WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE GRADES.
IT'S DIFFICULT FOR ME TO SIT HERE AND MAKE JUDGEMENTS WHEN EVERY YEAR I GET A NEW STEP IN GRADE PLACED TO IN FRONT OF ME THAT SAYS, THIS IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING EVERY TIME.
AND, AND I, I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT IS.
I, TO BE REAL HONEST, I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT IS, AND I RECOGNIZE IT'S IN COMPARISON WITH OTHER PEOPLE, BUT EVERY YEAR I GET THE SAME NEW,
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HERE'S A NEW STEP IN GRADE SYSTEM THAT WE WANT YOU TO ADOPT.SO I'D LIKE, WHAT I'D LIKE TO HAVE IS ONE THAT WE COULD LIVE WITH THAT THAT CONTINUES ON.
THAT'S, THAT WAS THE ONE I WOULD PROPOSE TO GET US IN LINE WITH WHERE I THINK YOU NEED, WE COULDN'T LIVE WITH IT RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S WHY I'M TAKING SMALL BITES OUT OF THE APPLE YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR.
WE ARE SO COMPRESSED RIGHT NOW.
OUR STARTING PAY IS GREAT, AND WE'RE JUST KIND OF FLAT OVER THESE YEARS.
AND THIS IS WHERE THIS ONE IS RAISING THAT MIDYEAR AND, AND HIGHER YEARS OF SERVICE UP TO GET IN LINE WITH EVERYBODY ELSE.
SO WHEN THOSE NEW DEPUTIES COME TO WORK, THEY SEE WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE IN FIVE YEARS, SEVEN YEARS, EIGHT YEARS, OR 12 YEARS DOWN THE LINE.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE CAN DO IT.
I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION OF WHERE'S ONE THAT WE SAY, OKAY, THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE WHERE WE NEED TO BE.
I WON'T NEED TO CHANGE THIS NEXT YEAR.
WELL, WEATHERFORD DID THAT THREE YEARS AGO, AND THEY WENT TO 5% GRADES.
WE'LL BE TRYING TO GO TO THREE.
NOW WILL I TRY TO GO TO THREE AND A HALF, WHICH THE STANDARD RIGHT NOW IS THREE AND A HALF TO FOUR, PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT MORE.
IF YOU PASS THIS ONE, WILL I COME BACK WITH A HIGHER ONE NEXT YEAR? PROBABLY.
SO IT WON'T BE AS MUCH, AND IT'LL BE IN LINE.
AND AGAIN, TRYING TO DECOMPRESS IT A LITTLE BIT MORE AND LETTING THOSE NEW GUYS KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE, WHERE THEY HAVE A FUTURE HERE, AND WHERE THEIR PAY IS GONNA BE IN 10 YEARS, 12 YEARS, OR 15 YEARS.
I JUST CAN'T, THE, THE, I CAN'T RECONCILE IN MY MIND HOW WELL THIS IS THE WAY IT NEEDS TO BE.
I UNDERSTAND IT THAT ALL OF THEM MOVING UP WITHIN THE SCALE EVERY TIME.
BUT I, I, I CAN'T RECONCILE IN MY MIND HOW THE, THE, THE STEPS GET CHANGED OR COMPRESSED OR WHATEVER.
THE GOAL IS FOR THE DECOMPRESSION.
AND, AND THAT IS, THAT IS GONNA BE A LONG-TERM GOAL UNTIL WE'RE IN LINE WITH MOST EVERY OTHER AGENCY IN TEXAS.
I'M JUST, I HAD TO ASK THE QUESTION OF WHY, WHY CAN'T WE SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHERE WE NEED TO BE NOW WE CAN MOVE UP, UH, WITH A COLA INCREASE ON THIS MOVING FORWARD AND, AND THIS THIS BE THE, THE STEPS BE WHERE WE WANT THEM TO BE.
'CAUSE I, I, I'LL TELL YOU AGAIN, IT'S HARD FOR ME SITTING HERE TO UNDERSTAND A DIFFERENT CHAIN, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT COMPLEXITIES TO THE STEP AND GRADE THAT COME ALONG EVERY YEAR.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
I SAY THIS IS, THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE SYSTEM WE WANT TO PUT IN PLACE.
NOW WE CAN MOVE THESE EVERYBODY UP THE SCALE INCREMENTALLY AND IT'D BE RIGHT.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY, BECAUSE YES.
AND LAST YEAR'S SCALE WAS, WAS A BIGGER BUY TO HAVE THE APPLE THAN IT WAS THIS YEAR.
SO THE ONE LAST YEAR, WHICH Y'ALL DID NOT APPROVE MM-HMM
WOULD'VE BEEN MORE IN LINE WITH EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I, I THINK TO ECHO COMMISSIONER WALDEN'S POINTS, MAYBE NOT BRINGING US A SCALE THAT HAS EXACT NUMBERS, BUT IF WE CAN JUST HAVE A FRANK AND BLUNT CONVERSATION WITH, HEY, HERE'S WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.
HERE'S WHERE I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO BE AT WITHIN FIVE YEARS, EIGHT YEARS, WHATEVER THE MATTER IS, EVEN IF IT'S NOT A PLAN WE ADOPT.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS LIKE COMMISSIONER HALE SAID, THIS IS MY THIRD BUDGET YEAR.
HAVING A BETTER IDEA OF KIND OF WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GO, I THINK WOULD HELP WITH PLANNING.
SHORT TERM MEANING THIS YEAR ONLY, UM, BUDGETS UNDERSTANDING THAT, HEY, YOU KNOW, ONE YEAR YOU MIGHT TRY TO DO MORE ACROSS THE BOARD.
THE NEXT YEAR YOU MIGHT FOCUS MORE ON A CERTAIN TRANCHE OF, YOU KNOW, THE HIGHER GUYS OR THE LOWER GUYS, OR WHATEVER THE CASE MIGHT BE.
I THINK SOME TYPE OF MASTER PLAN WOULD BE HELPFUL.
THAT THAT'S WHAT I WAS, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING FOR, IS, OKAY, THIS IS GONNA BE WHERE THE FRAMEWORK NEEDS TO BE.
THEN IF WE CAN RAISE EACH OF THESE EQUALLY, THEN, BECAUSE IT, THEY SHOULD BE, IT SHOULD BE RIGHT.
THE STEPPING GRADES SHOULD BE RIGHT.
THEY'RE JUST GONNA MOVE UP AS, AS EVERYTHING MOVES UP.
I'M JUST TRYING TO RECONCILE IN MY MIND HOW, HOW IT COULD BE POSSIBLE THAT WE WOULD SET A FRAMEWORK UP AND SAY, THIS IS IT RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS WHERE WE WANT TO BE IN COMPARISON WITH THE OTHERS.
AND THERE AREN'T, UH, LARGE INCREASES IN, IN A, IN ONE OF THE STEPS, OR, WELL, AGAIN, THIS, THIS ONE YEAR OF, OF THIS YEAR.
WE'LL DECOMPRESS THAT QUITE A BIT.
YOU WILL SEE SOME JUMPS, LIKE BECKY MENTIONED, THOSE WILL GET FEWER AND FEWER IDEALLY, RIGHT NOW WITH THE MARKET, THE WAY IT IS, AN ANNUAL STEP GRADE INCREASE, ABOUT THREE POINT A HALF TO 4% WOULD PROBABLY BE VERY, VERY FAIR.
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ON THE VERY HIGH END.AND I THINK THREE POINT A HALF TO FOUR IS, IS QUITE FAIR.
THIS ONE WAS GONNA ASK THREE, I THINK CAN ALL SEE, WE CAN ALL SEE THOSE.
WE CAN ALL SEE THOSE, BUT GIVE US THE FRAMEWORK OF HOW IT'S GONNA BE.
THIS IS WHAT THE FRAMEWORK NEEDS TO BE, AND THAT THIS, THIS YEAR OF THIS POSITION AND EVERYBODY GETS A CERTAIN GRADE, UH, I MEAN, A CERTAIN PAY INCREASE BUILT IN, IN, IN THE WHOLE DEAL.
NOT, NOT THESE OTHER SIGNIFICANT ONES, IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO COME AROUND TO.
ONE, ONE THING I WANT TO POINT OUT FOR ME, UM, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT MAKING A VERY REASONABLE LIVING.
I MEAN, IF WE THINK ABOUT IT, THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT SHOW UP AND LITERALLY HAVE LIFE AND DEATH IN THEIR HANDS.
AND THEY HAVE TO MAKE SPLIT SECOND DECISIONS ON VERY COMPLEX SITUATIONS THAT PUT THEMSELVES, THAT PUT OTHERS, THAT PUT MEN AND WOMEN UNDER THEIR COMMAND AT SIGNIFICANT RISK.
YOU KNOW, IF, IF SOMEBODY'S IN CHARGE OF A SITUATION WHERE THERE'S FIVE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND THEY'RE DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT TO GO INTO A BUILDING, AS, AS CHIEF BARNETT SAID, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF LIABILITY THERE AND, AND JUST STUFF THAT THAT PERSON'S GONNA HAVE TO LIVE WITH DECISION-WISE FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIFE AND THE CONSEQUENCES THEREOF.
GOT NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER WITH PEOPLE LIKE THAT, ME EITHER MAKING A HEALTHY AMOUNT OF MONEY BECAUSE THAT IS LIFE AND DEATH AND THEY KEEP OUR CITIZENS SAFE.
THE ONLY POINT THAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS JUST HELP US OUT AND HELP US UNDERSTAND THE LONG-TERM GOAL.
MAYBE WITH SOME, AGAIN, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE EXACT NUMBERS, BUT JUST, HEY, HERE'S WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GET IN X AMOUNT OF TIME.
THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING, AND I'M NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT NUMBERS.
WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT IS HOW WE RECONCILE EACH STEP IN, IN THE PROCESS SO THAT WE GET TO A POINT WHERE, OKAY, THESE STEPS ARE CORRECT, THIS DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE STEPS IS CORRECT AND WE'VE GOT A PERCENTAGE INCREASE BUILT IN, LIKE YOU SAY, THE OTHER DEPARTMENT THAT YOU MENTIONED HAD.
WELL, THIS ONE WILL BE VERY, VERY CLOSE TO THAT, THAT FINAL ONE.
AND I WAS GONNA SAY THE SAME THING, COMMISSIONER HOPE JUST SAID BEFORE HE SAID IT, AND Y'ALL SHOULD BE PAID ACCORDINGLY FOR WHAT Y'ALL DO, BECAUSE MOST EVERYBODY ELSE WON'T DO WHAT Y'ALL DO.
WELL, I WOULDN'T DO WHAT YOU DO.
SO
BUT THEN YOU START LOOKING AT EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S LAID BEFORE US RIGHT HERE, AND HOW DO WE MANAGE TO GIVE YOU WHAT WE CAN AND STILL GET THESE OTHER REQUESTS BACK HERE.
BECAUSE I, I'M, I MEAN, I'M, YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME WE ADD SOMEBODY, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE, THE AMOUNTS THAT, AND THEY'RE STAGGERING THE AMOUNTS THAT IT COSTS TO ADD THE SERGEANT POSITIONS, FOR EXAMPLE.
I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UH, AND AND MORE THAN THAT IS TO CON CONVEY THAT TO, TO SOMEBODY THAT DOESN'T HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT ALL IS INVOLVED HERE.
I MEAN, WE'VE GOT PEOPLE SITTING HERE TRYING TO TELL US, YOU SHOULD BE DOING THIS.
YOU SHOULD BE PAYING THESE PEOPLE THIS.
YOU SHOULD, WE SHOULD BE A PART OF THE, THIS PROCESS SO THAT WE CAN TELL YOU THESE PEOPLE SHOULDN'T MAKE AS MUCH WHEN THEY WOULDN'T DO WHAT YOU DO.
THEY ALSO WOULDN'T DO WHAT WE DO.
THEY WOULDN'T LAST, IT WOULDN'T LAST TWO DAYS AT EITHER ONE, PROBABLY.
SO THOSE, THAT WAS JUST WHAT I WAS TRYING TO COME UP WITH.
IF WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING SOMETIME WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A, A READJUSTMENT IN IT FROM NOW ON, YOU KNOW, PERPETUALLY.
AND, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S ONE THING WHY WE TALKED, I GUESS LAST WEEK ABOUT EITHER IF THERE WAS GONNA BE A COLA, IF I COULD FOREGO THE COLA JUST TO GET THIS SCALE MORE IMPLEMENTED, IMPLEMENTED TO DECOMPRESS IT JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE.
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO MAYBE NEVER HEARD THIS, THIS TYPE TALK, IF THEY'RE LISTENING NOW, I WANNA LET 'EM KNOW HOW PRO LAW ENFORCEMENT THIS COURT IS.
SO, UH, I, AND WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU DO FOR US AND ALL OF PUBLIC SAFETY ACROSS THE COUNTY.
WELL, I'LL SAY THIS, UH, WHEN I FIRST GOT ELECTED, I, YOU KNOW, STARTED DOING A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH HERE AND, AND, UH, THE, THE THING IS STILL, UH, THE SAME AS IT WAS THEN 80% OF OUR BUDGET GOES TO LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THE JUDICIAL JUDICIAL SYSTEM.
AND THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT.
AND IT MAY BE, MAY BE OFF FROM THAT SOMEWHAT, BUT THAT'S, IT'S ALWAYS AROUND THAT AMOUNT.
JUDICIAL SYSTEM AND THE LAW ENFORCEMENT.
UM, AND I HAVE TO TELL THIS BECAUSE I, I, AS WE HAVE, UH, NEW PEOPLE THAT COME ALONG ALL THE TIME, UM, RIGHT
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NOW, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU LIVE, UH, THE COUNTY BUDGET, INCLUDING THAT 80% THAT GOES OVER HERE AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT YOU GET FROM COUNTY GOVERNMENT MAKES UP ABOUT 15% OF YOUR PROPERTY TAX BILL.AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE ANYBODY THAT'S NOT AWARE OF THAT, TO LOOK AT YOUR TAX BILL.
IT'S ONLINE, PARKER COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT, AND YOU LOOK OUT LIKE WHAT THE COUNTY PORTION OF YOUR TAXES ARE.
AND REALLY IT'S VERY SMALL AMOUNT IN COMPARISON WITH THE OTHER PROPERTY TAXES.
I DON'T WANNA PAY ANY, UH, IT MAKES ME MAD EVERY TIME I HAVE TO PAY MY PROPERTY TAX BILL AS IT DOES MOST EVERYBODY ELSE.
BUT, UM, THE, THE AMOUNT OF SCRUTINY THAT WE HAVE COMPARED WITH SOME OTHER TAXING ENTITIES IS LAUGHABLE.
EVERYBODY'S SEEING WHAT WE'RE DOING.
AND PEOPLE DON'T EVEN GO TO THE OTHER TAXING ENTITIES MEETINGS AND DISCUSS IT WHEN THEY'RE RAISING YOUR TAXES EVERY YEAR.
AND WE'RE SITTING HERE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, YOUR, YOUR TAX RATE HAS GONE FROM 42 CENTS TO PROPOSAL OF 28 CENTS IN THE 13 YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN HERE.
AND, UH, AS THE, UH, SHERIFF'S OFFICE DOESN'T GET ENOUGH RESPECT OR ENOUGH MONEY, UH, SENT IN THEIR DIRECTION, TOTAL COUNTY GOVERNMENT DOESN'T EITHER FOR WHAT YOU GET FOR YOUR MONEY.
SO I'LL JUST THROW THAT OUT THERE AND, UH, APPRECIATE YOU ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS.
APPRECIATE, APPRECIATE THE THANK YOU ALL CHIEF, THE INFORMATION HERE.
NOT, NOT ANY QUESTION THAT I ASK IS, IS, UH, UH, POINTED AT ANYTHING OTHER THAN INFORMATION.
HOW CAN WE DO A BETTER JOB OF, OF PUTTING A BUDGET TOGETHER THAT, UM, FAIRLY COMPENSATES THE FOLKS THAT NEED COMPENSATING AND FAIRLY ADDRESSES ALL THE REST OF THE BUDGET THAT WE HAVE LAYING HERE IN FRONT OF US, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANT.
AND, UH, I'LL SAY THIS, WE HAD YOUR BUDGET LONG TIME AGO.
IT WAS IN A BOOK PRESENTED TO US WITH ALL THE INFORMATION MONTHS AGO AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH NO REFLECTION ON JUVENILE, THOUGH THAT CAME UP LATER.
BUT WE GET OTHER, WE GET, WE GET INFORMATION THAT HAS TO BE IN THIS BUDGET.
WE DON'T EVEN HAVE YET THAT WE GET TOLD WHAT THE SALARY'S GOING TO BE.
AND, AND THAT'S NOT RIGHT EITHER.
AND THAT NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED.
UM, WE, WE DON'T HAVE, UH, WE DON'T HAVE MEETINGS UNTIL AFTER THIS BUDGET PROCESS BEFORE WE'RE ABLE TO PLUG ALL THESE NUMBERS IN HERE AND WE HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS ON SALARIES WHEN OTHER SALARIES THAT ARE SET FOR US HAVEN'T BEEN GIVEN IT TO US YET.
I'M THROUGH POINTING OUT ALL THE THINGS THAT AREN'T, THAT ARE WRONG NOW,
WHAT WOULD BE THE FEASIBILITY OF US BEING ABLE TO GET, UH, AN IDEAL OR, OR LIKE WHAT COMMISSIONER HOLT WAS TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT TRYING TO GET THAT FOR OUR INFORMATION? I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING FOR.
WHAT WOULD BE AN IDEAL SITUATION IN A, IN A STEP AND GRACE SYSTEM? THE IDEAL AS FAR AS GETTING SOMETHING OUT LIKE THAT BY TUESDAY NEXT WEEK? IS THAT WHERE I WOULD WANT TO BE TODAY? IF THERE THERE'S A PERFECT WORLD AND WE HAD AN ENDLESS FUND OF MONEY, I, I'LL HAVE IT FOR YOU.
WHAT I, I I, I WANNA ASK MY QUESTION IS HOW REALISTIC IS THAT? 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO THROW SOMETHING UP REALISTIC IN THE MARKETPLACE.
REALISTIC IN WHAT Y'ALL CAN FUND.
BUT, BUT THAT INFORMATION IS VERY IN.
I MEAN, YOU'VE HEARD IT FROM TWO THREE AND IT WOULD HELP ME BECAUSE IT DOES WITH WHAT WE'VE DEALT WITH THE LAST COUPLE YEARS.
AND IT HELPS ME UNDERSTAND AND GET A GRASP ON AN UNDERSTANDING ON THE DEPARTMENT SITUATION.
I THINK HE HAS THE AVERAGE FOR THE METROPLEX.
AND I KNOW OURS PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE QUITE THERE, BUT IT WOULD BE CLOSE.
WELL, I DON'T WANT IT OFF THE CUFF.
I WAS, I WAS DOING FOOTBALL CHAINS LAST NIGHT FOR OUR GREYHOUND, PEACH GREYHOUND SCRIMMAGE, THE EVIL BENBROOK BOBCATS STER WAS VICTORIOUS.
UM, AT LEAST I THINK WE WERE, AND ONE OF THE GUYS I WAS DOING CHAINS WITH IS NEW TO THE AREAS HE, HE'S IN FROM KATY AND HE WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW MARKEDLY DIFFERENT, AND YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU HEAR ABOUT KATY, YOU THINK KATY'S A PRETTY NICE AREA AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, BUT HOW MARKEDLY DIFFERENT PARKER COUNTY IS AND HOW MUCH BETTER IT IS AND HOW SAFE IT FEELS AND HOW, YOU KNOW, UM, THEY BROUGHT UP THE BREAK IN AT JC QUICK MART UP IN PESTER AND HOW, I THINK HIS EXACT WORDS WERE, MAN, THE SHERIFF GOT THOSE GUYS QUICK.
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THE EXCELLENT JOB THAT Y'ALL DO.AND AGAIN, I'VE GOT NO ISSUE WHATSOEVER WITH Y'ALL MAKING A VERY HEALTHY AMOUNT OF MONEY TO KEEP OUR FOLKS SAFE.
JUST WANT TO KNOW KIND OF END GOAL PLAN.
BUT PART OF THAT IS, IS A THANK AND A CONGRATULATIONS TO Y'ALL FOR FUNDING WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
[I.I. Salaries and Benefits for Non-Elected Employees. (Becky McCullough/ Judge Deen) ]
WE'RE GONNA TAKE NO ACTION ON ITEM I.AND BEFORE WE GO TO ITEM J, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A RECESS AT 1114 AND JUST THE, UH, SESSION AT 1131 FROM RECESS AND MOVE TO
[I.J. Additional Employee Salary Requests and/or New Positions. (Becky McCullough/ Judge Deen) ]
ITEM J ON ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEES REQUEST AND ARE NEW POSITIONS.I, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THERE.
YOU WHAT? I SAID I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THERE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY
UH, WE DID ADDRESS THE TWO POSITIONS FOR HIS PRECINCT, BUT I DID NOT BRING THE CONVENIENCE CENTER NEW EMPLOYEE BEFORE Y'ALL YET.
CAN THAT GO THROUGH YOUR COMMITTEE REAL QUICK?
SO I MOVE THAT WE, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HOLLEY AND I, ANOTHER EMPLOYEE, THE COUNTY JUDGE IS SECOND.
WE'RE IN THE DISCUSSION PLEASE.
AND I HAVE ONE GUY, LEE, THAT SICK.
THEN I ONLY HAVE ONE LEFT TO BRING EVERYBODY IN AND IT'S JUST A MESS OUT THERE.
SO FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE LISTENING, AND ALSO TO A DEGREE MYSELF, THIS IS THE PERSON THAT'S RUNNING THE CONVENIENCE CENTER WHERE FOLKS DROP STUFF OFF AND YES.
AND ALL OF THAT, THE DISPOSAL CENTER.
AND THIS PERSON WOULD REQUIRE NO ADDITIONAL CAPITAL.
THEY DON'T NEED A NO, NO, THEY DON'T NEED A TRUCK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WE'RE TALKING SALARY AND BENEFITS ONLY.
THE BUDGETED SALARY WOULD BE 46,200.
THEN WHEN YOU ADD IN BENEFITS, AGAIN, WE ALWAYS ADD FOR THE HIGHEST BENEFITS PACKAGE POSSIBLE.
'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA CHOOSE.
IT WOULD BRING THE ESTIMATED COST TO 82 6.
ABOUT HOW MANY FOLKS DO Y'ALL HAVE VISIT YOU ON THE AVERAGE DAY? DO YOU HAVE ANY GUESS ON THAT? I KNOW IT'S QUITE A FEW A HUNDRED A DAY BECAUSE WE SEND ALL OF OUR PEOPLE, I RECOMMEND NEARLY ALMOST ALL MINE GO TO YOURS 'CAUSE IT'S CLOSE.
I HAVE A RECORD OF WHAT PRECINCT EVERYBODY COMES FROM AND, UH, GENERALLY I HAVE TO USE SOME OF MY EMPLOYEES TO HELP DOWN THERE.
SO THE BENEFIT FOR ALL THE, IT'S FOR THE CONVENIENCE CENTER DEPARTMENT FIVE 11, THE NORTH CONVENIENCE CENTER, BUT YOU'RE PROVIDING THE BENEFIT FOR ALL THE PERSON? YES.
WE, UH, WE HAVE PEOPLE FROM ALL FOUR PRECINCTS THAT COME OUT THERE.
MOSTLY TWO AND ONE, BUT WE GET 'EM FROM THREE AND FOUR.
AND FORGIVE ME FOR ASKING HOW MANY, HOW MANY DO WE HAVE? HOW MANY OF THOSE COST CENTERS DO WE HAVE? HOW MANY WHAT OF THOSE CENTERS? DISPOSAL CENTERS? YES.
TWO CENTERS HAVE ONE OF THREE.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD.
MR. HEISER, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS IN ALL SERIOUSNESS? NO.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? THANK YOU.
BECKY, ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT? NO, I'VE PRESENTED Y'ALL EVERYTHING THAT YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE YOUR DECISION WHENEVER Y'ALL ARE READY TO DO SO.
IF YOU DO, IF THERE'S, IS THERE ANY OTHER DECISIONS WE WANNA MAKE ON THAT BEFORE WE MOVE TO KAY RICH IS MAKING COPIES OF A LETTER THAT WAS JUST DROPPED OFF BY THE CITY THAT I, HE'S MAKING COPIES FOR THE COURT THAT WILL IMPACT NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET THAT I THINK ABOUT WHAT? THE ANIMAL SHELTER.
I KNEW THAT WAS KIND, I HAVEN'T READ IT, BUT I JUST LOOKED AT THE CAPTION.
COPIES OF IT THAT I THINK IS PERTINENT FOR THE COURT TO BE AWARE OF.
AND JAMES HO, TOP WITH THE CITY MANAGER OF WEATHERFORD IS THE, HAS ONCE WE CONCLUDE, HE'S GONNA DROP A CONTRACT BY, HE JUST DROPPED SOMETHING OFF JUST NOW.
AND SO RICH IS MAKING COPIES OF THAT COURT.
CHIEF BARNETT, DID YOU WANNA GO BACK TO THE DISPATCH PAY SCALE ITEM THAT YOU AND I HAD DISCUSSED THAT YOU'D
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WANTED TO HAVE US LOOK AT AGAIN TODAY? AND, AND THE REASON I'M BRINGING THIS BACK UP TO THE COURT IS WE HAD PASSED, I THINK I WAS COMBINING TWO THINGS IN MY MIND.WE HAD PASSED THE SWITCH OF THE LEAD OF THE DISPATCH FROM A CIVILIAN TO A BADGE.
AND THEN WE ALSO APPROVED THE HIRING OF ADDITIONAL DISPATCH TO, OF THOSE, WHAT WE DID NOT, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE EVER RULED ON OR MADE A DECISION ON WHETHER IT WAS JUST TO MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT TAKING ACTION OR WHETHER IT WAS TO APPROVE IT OR DISAPPROVE.
IT WAS THE REVISED PAY SCALE FOR DISPATCH.
SO CHIEF, CAN YOU TALK US THROUGH THAT? AND BECKY, WILL YOU REMIND US WHAT THE COMMITTEE RANKED THIS AT 1.7? THANK YOU.
SO A LITTLE HISTORICAL BACKGROUND ABOUT ALL OF OUR PAY SCALES.
20 YEARS AGO, WHATEVER, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE DIDN'T HAVE A PAY SCALE.
YOU, YOU GOT PAID WHAT YOU GOT PAID.
AND AS A, YOU COULD, IF YOU'RE A BRAND NEW DEPUTY ON DAY ONE, YOU GOT PAID THE SAME AMOUNT AS THE GUY WHO'S BEEN THERE 15 YEARS.
UM, THE COURT APPROVED A PAY SCALE LONG TIME AGO, WAS A 20 YEAR SCALE.
AND THE WAY THAT THAT SCALE WORKED WAS YOU GOT A, UH, A STEP EVERY FOUR YEARS, UM, THREE YEARS AGO IS WHENEVER, AND THIS HISTORICAL BACKGROUND, GOING BACK TO KIND OF WHAT YOU WERE ASKING, AND SO THAT THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS, UM, THE MODIFICATIONS TO OUR PAY SCALE, OUR REQUEST FOR THE MODIFICATIONS HAS BEEN A SLOW PROCESS TO GET US TO A POINT WHERE EVERYBODY ELSE, ALL THE OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES IN THE DFW AREA ARE.
UM, AND THAT'S TO DROP THE, THE TOP OUT, UM, DOWN.
SO THREE YEARS AGO WE WENT FROM A 20 YEAR TOP OUT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT DOWN TO A 12 YEAR TOP OUT AND FALL MORE IN LINE WITH LOCAL AREA AGENCIES.
THE MAIN MODIFICATION FOR THE CURRENT REQUEST IS TO MODIFY THAT DOWN TO A 10 YEAR, UM, THE AVERAGE DFW AREA PAY SCALE IS, IS NINE, UH, FOR THEIR TOP OUTS.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE DISPATCH PAY SCALE, WE DIDN'T DO THAT FOR DISPATCH.
AND SO THAT'S THE MAIN MODIFICATION FOR THE DISPATCH AND ANIMAL CONTROL PAY SCALE REQUEST THIS YEAR BECAUSE THEY GET, UM, THE WAY OUR PAY SCALE IS, IS YOU HAVE A STARTING SALARY IN SIX MONTHS.
YOU GET A A, A SMALL RAISE, AND THEN AT SIX MONTHS LATER, AT ONE YEAR YOU GET ANOTHER SMALL RAISE AND THEN AT TWO YEARS YOU GET ANOTHER RAISE.
BUT YOU DON'T GET ANOTHER RAISE AFTER THAT UNTIL YOU HIT YOUR FOUR, YOUR EIGHT AND YOUR 12 YEARS.
UM, THE MAIN MODIFICATION REQUEST FOR THIS SCALE, AND THIS IS NOT OUR SCALE, THIS IS THE PD SCALE, UM, IS THAT, UH, THIS WILL GIVE THEM A, A RAISE OR I'M SORRY, A STEP BUMP EVERY YEAR UP TO THE MAXIMUM, UH, OF 12 YEARS.
SO IT, IT ALSO INCREASES THE AMOUNTS OF PAY FOR THOSE, UM, FOR THOSE DISPATCHERS.
SO YOU SEE TSO ON THE PDS PAY SCALE, THEIR, UH, THEIR STARTING PAY IS, UM, THAT'S THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS OFFICER.
THEIR STARTING PAY IS 50,000 AND THEN THEY GET A RAISE EVERY YEAR.
THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO GO TO EXCEPT OUR WOULD OUR TOP OUT AT, UH, I THINK 12 YEARS.
UM, WE WE'RE CURRENTLY FULL, WE JUST LOST ANOTHER DISPATCHER TO GO TO DPS.
THESE PEOPLE ARE LEAVING BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO DIFFERENT AGENCIES THAT HAVE A 12 HOUR SHIFT, WHICH WE'RE NOT READY TO COME TO YOU WITH YET.
UM, IF EVER, UH, BECAUSE IT, IT WOULD REQUIRE THE COUNTY TO PAY, UH, GUARANTEED PAID OVERTIME EVERY PAY PERIOD FOR THOSE DISPATCHERS BECAUSE OF, UH, FAIR LABORS AND STANDARDS WAGE, UM, RULES AND LAWS.
WE CAN'T TREAT THEM THE SAME WAY.
WE CAN TREAT AN 86 HOUR EMPLOYEE, WHICH IS A SWORN OFFICER.
UM, AND SO THE MAJORITY OF THINGS, UH, THE MAJORITY OF REASONS WHY THESE PEOPLE ARE LEAVING THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS TO GO TO THOSE AGENCIES LIKE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, DPS AND OTHER AGENCIES THAT HAVE A 12 HOUR SHIFT.
WHAT'S OUR TURNOVER BEEN OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS? CHIEF ON THE DISPATCH SIDE ALONE? UH, IT'S BEEN PRETTY HIGH.
I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'VE LOST THIS FISCAL YEAR ALONE.
I THINK WE'VE LOST SIX OR SEVEN, UM, OH DISPATCHERS.
UH, NOW WE ARE, WE STILL, WE'RE STILL HIRING 'EM IN.
THE PROBLEM IS, IS A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE GETTING ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER DONE THIS KIND OF WORK, UM, AND DON'T KNOW IF THEY, THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO IT.
SO WE'LL HIRE 'EM AND THEY'LL WORK FOR, SOME OF 'EM WORK A WEEK.
SOME OF 'EM WORK TWO MONTHS AND THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, I CAN'T, I CAN'T DO THIS.
I WOULD IMAGINE THAT'S A JOB THAT CAN BE VERY, VERY DIFFICULT EMOTIONALLY.
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THE, THE, THE HARD PART ABOUT BEING A DISPATCHER, NOT, I KNOW, I, I STARTED OFF IN DISPATCH IN NINE THREE AND I WAS THERE FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS IS THE UTTER BOREDOM.AND THEN YOU HAVE THE, JUST THE CHAOS THAT GOES ON.
AND FOR ONE MINUTE YOU COULD BE SITTING THERE WITH NOTHING TO DO AND THEN, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING BREAK LOOSE AND YOU'VE GOT COPS RUNNING EVERYWHERE AND PEOPLE SCREAMING AT YOU ON THE PHONE AND YOU'RE TRYING TO TALK TO LAW ENFORCEMENT AND PEOPLE ON 9 1 1.
AND IT'S, AND THE EMOTIONAL STRESS IS, IS VERY, VERY HARD BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE A LOT OF TIMES GOING THROUGH THE WORST THING THAT'S EVER GONNA HAPPEN TO THEM AND THEIR ENTIRE LIFE.
AND THEY'RE TRYING TO TELL YOU ABOUT IT AND YOU'RE TRYING TO GET THE FACTS AND DISPATCH LAW ENFORCEMENT OR IF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE TELECOMMUNICATOR FOR FIRE OR EMS, THEY GO THROUGH THE SAME THING AND TRY TO HELP THESE PEOPLE.
AND SO THE AMOUNT OF STRESS THAT YOU DEAL WITH ON A DAILY BASIS IS ASTRONOMICAL.
UM, IT'S A VERY HARD JOB NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT IT, IT TAKES A VERY SPECIAL PERSON BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BE MULTI-TALENTED.
YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TALK ON THE PHONE, THE RADIO, AND OPERATE FOUR DIFFERENT COMPUTER SYSTEMS AT THE SAME TIME.
UH, IF YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE EFFECTIVE AND SOMEBODY'S GONNA END UP GETTING HURT.
SO THE STAFFING LEVELS, UH, IN THERE ARE, WHILE WE ASK FOR MORE PEOPLE TO BRING DOWN TO SO THEY CAN BE MORE EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT AND BRING DOWN THAT LEVEL OF STRESS.
UM, BUT THIS PAY SCALE REALLY IS ABOUT ATTRACTING QUALIFIED PEOPLE.
HOPEFULLY PEOPLE WHO ALREADY HAVE DONE THIS JOB, CAN'T DO THIS JOB, HAVE PROVEN HAD ANOTHER AGENCY THAT THEY'VE DONE THIS JOB, UM, BUT WANNA MAKE MORE MONEY AND COME HERE AND WORK FOR US FOR A LONG, LONG TIME, YOU KNOW, RETIRE FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
UM, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS THAT, THAT CAME UP RECENTLY IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THESE MODIFICATIONS, THIS PAY SCALE, THE DISPATCHER ONE AND THEN THE REST OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT, UM, THE SHERIFF IS VERY COGNIZANT AND CONSCIENTIOUS ABOUT WHAT WE NEED, BUT ALSO WHAT REALISTICALLY WE CAN ASK FOR.
UM, ONE OF THE, DURING ONE OF THE COMMITTEE MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, I WAS TOLD, HEY, JUST TELL ME WHAT YOU NEED.
AND I SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, I, I'M ASKING FOR THIS, BUT I ACTUALLY, THIS IS WHAT I NEED X, X AND Y.
BUT I KNOW THE JOHNNY CAN'T FUND THAT.
WE HAVE TO TAKE LITTLE BITES AT A TIME OF THE APPLE.
WE HAVE TO BE REALISTIC ABOUT, UM, BALANCING THE NEED FOR MORE EMPLOYEES, MORE EQUIPMENT, AND MORE LAW ENFORCEMENT SALARY.
BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE CONSTRAINTS THAT YOU, THE COURT'S UNDER AS FAR AS FUNDING THESE REQUESTS.
AND SO WE DON'T COME TO YOU WITH THIS, IS WE DON'T COME TO YOU WITH OUR TRUE NEEDS.
WE COME TO YOU WITH THE NEEDS THAT WE THINK THAT YOU COULD PROBABLY FUND AND THAT WE COULD GET THIS YEAR.
AND THEN NEXT YEAR WE'LL COME BACK AND ASK FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY GROWS SEVEN, 8,000 PEOPLE A YEAR.
WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO HAVE, HAVE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL STAFF.
AND THAT'S A BIG, UM, COMPONENT TO OUR BUDGET COMP, UH, OUR, OUR BON BUDGET TALKS AND HOW WE CAN PRIZE OUR BUDGET REQUEST.
UM, BUT WITH THIS DISPATCH PAY SCALE, I THINK NOT ONLY WILL IT ALLOW US TO ATTRACT QUALIFIED CANDIDATES, BUT RETAIN THOSE EMPLOYEES WHO, UM, ARE LOOKING AT LEAVING.
WE'VE ALREADY TRAINED, THEY ALREADY KNOW OUR SYSTEM AND THEY'RE GOOD EMPLOYEES.
THEY'VE SHOWN THEY CAN DO THE JOB.
SO THAT'S THE BASIS FOR THIS, THIS SALARY STRUCTURE, FOR THIS CHANGE, FOR THE SALARY STRUCTURE FOR THE DISPATCHERS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
[I.K. Special Revenue Funds and Projects. (Brianna Fowler/ Judge Deen) ]
ME.WE'LL GO TO ITEM K ON SPECIAL REVENUE FINES AND PROJECTS, ANYTHING.
OF COURSE, AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, THERE'LL HAVE TO BE A, UM, DECISION MADE ON THE FUNDING LEVEL FOR, UH, THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION.
AND THEN, UM, BIANCA, AS WELL AS MYSELF, ARE WORKING WITH THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS ON OTHER SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS.
SO AS YOU KNOW, UM, THE DISTRICT AND COUNTY CLERK HAVE SPECIAL FUNDS AND SO BIANCA WILL BE REACHING OUT TO THEM TO WORK ON THAT.
THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS CERTAIN, UM, SEIZURE AND FORFEITURE FUNDS TO GET THOSE BUDGETS ESTABLISHED AS WELL AS THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY.
SO, UM, THOSE ARE IN THE WORKS.
AND THEN OF COURSE, UM, WORKING WITH, UM, FREEZE THE NICHOLS TO, UM, PROJECT THE BUDGETS FOR NEXT YEAR FOR THE TRANSPORTATION BOND.
ANY COMMENTS ON THAT OR ANY ACTION WE WANT TO MOVE ON? OR DO WE WANNA TAKE NO ACTION ON ITEM K? SO,
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WELL, I I WAS JUST THE QUESTION, WE, UH, AGAIN, GET HANDED STUFF.APPARENTLY WE HAD NOT, UH, WE HAD NOT HAD THE COST OF THE ANIMAL SHELTER INCREASE AS PART OF OUR BUDGET.
NO, NOT UNDER THE NEW, UM, PROPOSED CONTRACT.
'CAUSE WE, WE'VE HAD THIS INFORMATION 10%, WE'D HAD THIS INFORMATION HERE, SO NOT UNDER THAT.
SO IT'S GONNA BE MORE THAN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THIS, THIS IS THE NEW, THE NEW AGREEMENT HERE, AND IT'S GONNA BE MORE THAN WHAT WE'VE BEEN PAYING.
SO WE'RE GONNA NEED TO DEAL WITH THAT, UH, MONDAY OR TUESDAY AS WELL.
SO WE, YOU'VE GOT A CONTRACT HERE LAY IN FRONT OF YOU AND YOU CAN CALCULATE THAT OUT AND YEAH, YOU JUST RECEIVED IT.
SO I WOULD ASK THAT YOU READ THAT, UH, IN THE PAGES 11, OBVIOUSLY WEATHERFORD CONTINUES TO, HAD HAD CONTINUED TO, UH, UH, COVER SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF WHAT THEY CALCULATED OUR COST TO BE OVERALL.
SO, AND THAT CONTINUES TO INCREASE, UH, AS TIME MOVES FORWARD.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET A RED LINED VERSION THAT SHOWS SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES TO THE CONTRACT? OR IS THE ONLY CHANGE THE, THE PRICING MODEL? I THINK, I THINK, UH, PROBABLY THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WOULD BE ABLE TO, TO LOOK AT THAT AND, AND, UH, CHIEF IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN LOOK AT AND BRING US? I THINK IT'S, YEAH.
'CAUSE THE FIRST PAGE SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT TERMINATING THE EXISTING AGREEMENT AND HERE'S THE NEW ONE.
OBVIOUSLY THE PRICING IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW IN THE BUDGET, BUT I'M ALSO INTERESTED IN WHAT ARE WE OBLIGATING OURSELF TO? ARE THERE NEW DUTIES? ARE THERE AN EXPANSION OF RESPONSIBILITIES? ALL OF THAT.
I HAVE A, IF IT, THE CONTRACT YOU'VE GOT NOW IS WHAT THEY PRESENTED TO ME A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.
I HAVE, UH, MY COMMENTS ON THAT.
AND IT DOES LIST DIFFERENT RESPONSIBILITIES AND AND DUTIES.
YOU'RE GONNA GONNA NEED TO COPY THIS, MAKE SURE IT, IT LINES UP WITH, UH, WHAT WE PREVIOUSLY TALKED ABOUT.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON, ON THE, UH, I TELL YOU WHEN, UH, OKAY.
UM, JUST A, JUST TO COMMENT, WHEN YOU, UH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COST OF WHAT WE'RE PAYING FOR ANIMAL CONTROL THROUGH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, AND THEN THE COST OF WHAT WE'RE PAYING THROUGH THE ANIMAL SHELTER, WHICH IS VERY FAIR BY THE WAY.
UH, UH, WHAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE STILL CONSUMING PART OF THAT.
UH, IT, IT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE PROPOSITION FOR THE COUNTY TO BE AN ANIMAL CONTROL BUSINESS.
AND IT'S GOING TO ESCALATE AS TIME GOES FORWARD AS WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S JUST A, A, A COUPLE, THREE MORE MILLION DOLLARS, THEN HERE WE ARE, UH, WITH ANOTHER SITUATION HANGING OUT THERE THAT, UH, HAS, IS GONNA CONTINUE TO COST MORE MONEY AS TIME MOVES FORWARD.
DOES OUR ANIMAL SHELTER EUTHANIZE ANIMALS? YES.
SO I, I WAS AT A, UH, UH, UH, LIONS CLUB MEETING ON WEDNESDAY, AND THE, THE DIRECTOR OF THE ANIMAL SHELTER WAS PRESENTING THE PROGRAM AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE PROBABLY AT, UH, UH, BELOW 10%, WHICH MAKES THEM QUALIFY AS A NO KILL SHELTER.
IF SOMEBODY'S LISTENING, THEY MAY WANT TO CORRECT ME, BUT I, I, I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT FROM MY MEMORY.
AND SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE WELL WITHIN THAT, UH, I THINK THERE ARE ABOUT 6% OF THEM THAT HAVE TO BE EUTHANIZED.
WELL, FELINE CATS MOSTLY THAT EVEN THAT EVEN COUNTS, UH, ANIMALS THAT ARE BROUGHT TO THEM THAT, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, HAVE BEEN INJURED AND THEY COME THERE FOR MEDICAL TREATMENT AND THEN, AND THEN DON'T SURVIVE.
THEY COUNT THOSE AS AS EUTHANIZATION.
DO THEY HAVE AN INCINERATOR THERE? IS THAT WHAT YOU CALL THAT? OR DO THEY TAKE 'EM SOMEWHERE ELSE? I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT.
I THINK ONE BIG PART OF THAT IS GOING TO BE, UH, HELPING WITH THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND TRYING TO PROMOTE THE ADOPTION OF THOSE ANIMALS AND TRYING TO DRIVE SOME OF THAT COST DOWN OVER TIME.
UM, AND THAT'S GONNA BE ONE OF THE OBJECTIVES THAT WE DO WHATEVER WE DO HERE WITH THIS CONTRACT, IS SEPARATE FROM WHAT I THINK OUR OBLIGATION IS GOING TO BE TO HELP WORK WITH WEATHERFORD ON THE MARKETING OF THE OR OR PROMOTING THE ADOPTION RATE AND GETTING THE COMMUNITY ENGAGED.
'CAUSE THIS ISN'T JUST A COUNTY ISSUE AND WEATHERFORD ISSUE.
AND I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE REALLY, REALLY TAKEN SERIOUSLY.
AND I PLAN ON ENGAGING THE JUDGE'S OFFICE ON THAT TO PROMOTE THAT HEAVILY THROUGH THE COUNTY.
NO ACTION ON THE COURT NEEDED ON
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THAT.BUT, UH, THAT IS GOING TO BE, UH, A HUGE PART OF WHAT THE, THE JUDGE'S OFFICE IS GOING TO BE TO HELP WITH THAT AND DRIVE, TRY TO DRIVE SOME OF THAT.
WEATHERFORD'S BEEN MORE THAN FAIR WITH US JUDGE, UH, OVER TIME.
SO YEAH, JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WE, WE GET THAT.
UH, BUT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE A, A, A, A PARTNER IN THIS AND, UM, AGAIN, FAIR, FAIR APPROACH FROM WEATHERFORD AND, UM, THAT'S JUST THROUGH A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WE HAVE WITH THEM.
BRIANNA, UM, JUST ON ANOTHER FOLLOW UP ITEM, UM, MAUREEN IS GONNA DO A WALKTHROUGH THIS AFTERNOON OF THE BUILDING THAT WE'VE BEEN SPEAKING ABOUT WITH THE LISTING AGENT.
AND SO THEN THAT WAY THEY COULD BE PREPARED TO COME ON TUESDAY TO PROVIDE THE COURT WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT THAT.
THEY'LL BE HERE AND ALSO THE REALTOR WILL BE HERE ALONG WITH ASHLEY, UH, POSSIBLY MAYBE SOMEONE ELSE THROUGH THAT.
AND, UH, SO YOU, WE WILL HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION BASED ON WHEN YOUR FEEDBACK HERE AND WHAT YOU ASK FOR, YOU WILL HAVE, YOU'LL HAVE THE, UH, PEOPLE HERE TO BE ABLE TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS THAT YOU NEED TO GET THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED.
SO, SO I GOT A QUESTION TO THAT.
WE MOVED ON THAT ON THAT MORNING.
THE MORNING GOING ARE WE ASKING THEM TO PROVIDE A QUOTE ON INTERIOR REMODELS OF WHAT OUR NEEDS WOULD BE? IS THAT THE, THAT'S WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME.
AND I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE A MORE ACCURATE NUMBER.
'CAUSE I THINK INITIALLY THEY TRIED TO DO THIS QUICKLY, UH, AND TRY TO DO IT, I DON'T WANNA SAY IN A VACUUM, BUT THEY TRIED TO GIVE US A, A, A, A UNOFFICIAL NUMBER, UH, JUST TO GET US IN THE RANGE ON TRYING TO, IF WE DID WANNA BUY IT, WHAT WOULD BE THE PROJECTED COST OF THAT? I THINK YOU'LL GET A MORE ACCURATE NUMBER WHEN THEY COME.
SO DO YOU KNOW WHAT TIME THEY'RE DOING THAT? UH, FIRST STRAIGHT UP BROTHER? THEY'LL BE HERE WHEN WE OPEN NO, TO THIS AFTERNOON.
OH, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE JUST SET THAT UP.
I MEAN, THROUGH TEXTING AND THROUGH THE COORDINATION WITH ASHLEY.
SO I'M IMPRESSED THAT THEY MOVED THAT QUICKLY.
I'M GLAD THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO DO THAT.
SO, SO WE'RE ON K UH, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE WANNA ADDRESS ON K BEFORE WE GO TO ITEM TWO A? OKAY.
[II.A. Present/Discuss/ Approve Precincts Fund 50 and Funds 1-4 for Budget FY2025-2026. (Judge Deen)]
[II.B. Capital & Non-Capital Budget Requests. (Kim Rivas/ Judge Deen)]
TO ITEM TWO ON THE PRESENTING THE DISCUSSION OF APPROVED PRECINCTS FUND 50 AND FUNDS ONE THROUGH FOUR BUDGETS FOR 20 25, 20 26, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO ITEM A, PRESENT DISCUSS APPROVED PRECINCTS, FUND 50, AND FUNDS ONE THROUGH FOUR FOR BUDGET FY 25, 26.IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WANT TO TALK ABOUT ON THAT ITEM? I THINK, I THINK WE'VE ALREADY COVERED EVERYTHING THERE AS, AS WELL AS ITEM B WE'VE ALREADY COVERED THERE.
WAY OF LEFT IS THE ROAD AND BRIDGE ALLOCATION AND WHAT WE WANT TO DO, JUST HOLD ON A MINUTE.
SO WHAT WE, WE WILL TAKE NO ACTION ON ITEM A AND B.
[II.C. Road & Bridge Allocation. (Brianna Fowler/ Judge Deen)]
OKAY.AND, AND ITEM C, UH, WHAT I PREFER TO DO IS, IS COME DOWN TO THE VERY LAST ON THAT BECAUSE I WANT TO, UH, EVALUATE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND FROM FUND BALANCE IN OTHER AREAS BEFORE WE ADDRESS THAT.
I JUST WANTED TO HEAR, WE WANT TO CUT GEORGE'S, GEORGE'S BUDGET IN HALF.
I DID MAKE A MOTION, BUT I HAD TO RE RECALL IT FOR MY BEFORE.
I'VE GOT IT HERE IN MY POCKET.
READY TO GO THE NEXT TIME BEFORE Y'ALL JUMP ON ME ON A MO ON AN ADJOURNMENT MOTION.
UH, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS THAT, THAT WE NEED TO GO BACK TO? OR IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION THAT Y'ALL WANT TO HAVE WITH ANYTHING ON THIS BEFORE WE ADJOURN? STEADY? MY FRIEND BECKY.
IF, IF, UH, I WOULD ASK THAT, THAT Y'ALL GIVE A COPY OF THIS AND ANIMAL, UH, SHELTER INFORMATION HERE.
BECAUSE WE NEED TO BE PREPARED.
IT'S NOT JUST THAT INFORMATION.
WE NEED TO BE PREPARED TO MAKE, TO TAKE SOME ACTION ON THAT ITEM.
ARE WE MISSING ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS TODAY? NO, BECAUSE MONDAY'S GONNA BE PROBABLY A LONGER, WE HAVE TUESDAY AS WELL.
I THINK MONDAY WILL GO SMOOTH.
WE HAVE JUST DEDICATED TO BUDGET, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND THEN IT, WE NEED TO AND RECONVENE ON TUESDAY, RIGHT? WE HAVE THAT OPTION.
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SO WE HAVE MOTION.UH, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE FOR ADJOURNMENT.
RECORDS SHOW THAT WE'LL ADJOURN AT 1156.