Aug 25, 2025 Commissioners Court Budget Agenda

COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? I GOT, UM, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

DO WE HAVE ANY GUESS EVEN A BALLPARK OF WHAT THE TWO BUILDINGS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING THERE IN PROPOSITION A ARE WHEN IT COMES TO REAL ESTATE APPROXIMATION? I'M NOT YOUR GUY .

I, I WISH I KNEW, BUT I DO NOT KNOW.

COMMISSIONER HALE, YOU HAVE EVEN A, A WILD, UH, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE AFTER WE MADE SOME CHANGES TO THE JUSTICE CENTER IS THE REMAINING DEPARTMENTS THAT AREN'T BEING INCLUDED IN THE FIRST PHASE RIGHT.

AND EXACTLY WHERE THEY ARE AND WHERE SPACE IS.

SO BEFORE WE GET TO THAT, IF YOU DON'T MIND, YEAH.

SO I WOULD, SORRY, UH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I WOULD SAY THE BUILDING HERE ON THE SQUARE MM-HMM .

WHERE THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS, AND THAT ONE'S PRETTY VALUABLE.

I WOULD SAY IT IS PROBABLY WORTH MORE THAN THAT.

SHE SAID THREE FOR THOSE WHO COULDN'T HERE 3, 3, 3 TO 4 MILLION.

AND, AND MAYBE THIS IS A GEORGE WILLIFORD QUESTION, MAYBE THIS IS BRIANNA QUESTION, BUT WHAT I'M THINKING OF IS GEORGE GAVE US THAT SCHEDULE OF YEARLY PAYMENTS IF WE JUST TAKE THE ENTIRE LUMP SUM.

I, I LOVE THE IDEA.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE EXECUTION OF IT.

IF WE TAKE THE ENTIRE LUMP SUM, DOES THAT BUY DOWN ONE YEAR OF TAX RATE IMPLICATION? IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN STRUCTURE IT SO THAT WE BUY DOWN MULTIPLE YEARS? BECAUSE THE LONGER THE, THE MORE YEARS UPFRONT WE BUY DOWN, SO TO SPEAK, THE MORE OUR POPULATION GROWS AND THE LESS OF AN IMPACT PER PERSON THOSE FUTURE PAYMENTS ARE.

SO WHEN I SAW THIS ON THE AGENDA, I ACTUALLY REACHED OUT TO GEORGE WILLIFORD AS WELL AS CHRIS SETTLE.

SO THAT'S BOND COUNSEL AND OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR.

UM, A LOT OF TIMES THE WAY THE BONDS ARE STRUCTURED IS THEY'RE NOT CALLABLE, MEANING YOU CANNOT DO EARLY REDEMPTION FOR THAT.

AND SO I WANTED TO SEE KIND OF GET THEIR INPUT IF, YOU KNOW, A BOND PASSES, AND THIS IS THE INTENT, HOW THIS PLAYS INTO IT.

AND SO THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS, UM, WHERE ON THE FIRST ONE, THE SELL OF THE BUILDING, THAT'S GONNA BE MUCH LARGER THAN THE INCREMENTAL INCREASE COMING FROM THE JAIL.

AND SO THAT COULD BE SET UP IN AN ESCROW ACCOUNT, UM, WHERE THEN YOU COULD REDEEM EARLY.

YOU WOULD HAVE TO BUILD THAT INTO THE SCHEDULE.

UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS ON THE, UM, INCREMENTAL ON THE GEL IS WE COULD DEPOSIT THE ADDITIONAL REVENUE INTO OUR INS FUND, SO OUR DEBT SERVICE FUND, AND THEN USE THAT TO MAKE THE PAYMENTS.

SO IN THEORY, YOU COULD BE USING A PORTION OF FUND BALANCE AND NOT HAVING TO ADJUST YOUR DEBT RATE AS MUCH.

WOULD HAVE TO DO IT AT THE TIME IN WHICH YOU DRAW DOWN THE BOND THAT A CERTAIN PORTION IS CALLABLE TO MAKE THOSE EARLY REDEMPTION PAYMENTS.

BECAUSE YOU'D BE USING FUND BALANCE.

UM, HE SAID THE OTHER THING YOU COULD DO IS BASICALLY HAVE IT DEPOSITED IN THERE, LET IT ACCUMULATE AGAIN, THEN IF THERE'S A OPPORTUNITY, IF IT'S STRUCTURED, THEN TO DO SOME SORT OF EARLY REDEMPTION.

SO IT WILL DEFINITELY BE SOMETHING THAT WILL NEED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, BECAUSE YOU

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SO I, I LOVE THE IDEA OF TAKING THE PROCEEDS AND USING IT TO RELIEVE TAXES.

I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS WORDING HERE DOESN'T PUT US INTO A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE APPLYING IT TO THE PRINCIPAL AMOUNT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND IT CUTS OFF THE LENGTH OF HOW LONG WE HAVE TO PAY IT BACK, BUT DOES NOTHING FOR TAXPAYERS NOW.

SO IT SOUNDS LIKE IF WE WANTED TO, WE COULD PUT IT IN FUND BALANCE, USE IT AGAINST FUND BALANCE FOR HOWEVER MANY YEARS THAT LASTS, KIND OF THE INVERSE OF WHAT HAD TO HAPPEN LAST YEAR.

I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS LANGUAGE ACCOMMODATES THAT.

I, I MEAN, I, I'M NOT GONNA LEGALLY SPEAK TO THAT, UM, BUT I THINK IT'S SAYING, HERE'S THE INTENTION IS TO USE THAT TO PAY DOWN DEBT.

I THINK IT'LL BE A MORE FORMAL DISCUSSION AS TO WHAT, UM, IS THE BEST WAY TO ACHIEVE THAT.

OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD WANT THE MOST SAVINGS RIGHT.

FOR THE TAXPAYERS FOR THIS.

SO I THINK GEORGE WOULD PROBABLY BE ABLE TO RUN, UM, SOME MODELS.

AND I GUESS IT ALSO DEPENDS ON WHEN YOU'RE, UM, PUTTING IT OUT TO MARKET, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY IF THOSE ARE COLOR COLORABLE OR NOT, HOW THAT WORKS.

BRIANNA, JEFF, GO AHEAD.

SORRY, JEFF, IS THERE ANY VALUE IN REVISING THAT LANGUAGE TO ADD THE PHRASE OR REDUCE THE TAX IMPACT OF ACTUALLY WHAT I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

YOU COULD REALLY JUST SAY, INSTEAD OF PAYBACK BOND DEBT TO, UH, DEFRAY THE IMPACT OF BOND DEBT.

UH, ON THE TAXPAYER, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ALL HERE FOR, RIGHT? THAT'S THE GOAL.

WELL, AND, AND THE ADVANTAGE OF THAT TOO, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AND HAVE TALKED ABOUT IS THAT, UH, THIS IS A LONG TERM, UH, SOLUTION TO A PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE.

AND WE WANTED TO MAKE IT A LONG TERM SOLUTION BECAUSE THE COUNTY HISTORICALLY HAS NOT DONE A GREAT JOB THINKING LONG TERM, WE THINK IMMEDIATE OR SHORT TERM.

UM, BUT THIS IS MORE OF A LONG TERM THING, BUT THE LONG TERM WILL SPREAD THE DEBT OVER A WHOLE LOT MORE TAXPAYERS WITH A WHOLE LOT MORE COMMERCIAL, PRESUMABLY, UH, ON THE TAX ROLLS DOWN THE ROAD.

SO REALLY THE IMMEDIATE IMPACT ON TAXPAYERS, ONCE THE BOND DEBT STARTS TO BE PAID BACK, IS PROBABLY THE BIGGER AREA TO CON TO BE CONCERNED WITH.

AND THAT'S WHAT I'M WONDERING IF WE CAN DEFER WITH THE, THERE'S NO REASON THIS CAN'T BE REVISED.

CAN WE NOT, UH, JUST GO AHEAD AND TAKE NO ACTION, GO AHEAD AND REVISE THAT, THEN WE, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE MEETING QUITE A BIT ANYWAY.

SURE.

THEN GET WITH RICH AND JUST GO AHEAD AND HAVE THAT PUT ON A FUTURE AGENDA UNDER THE BUDGET AND DO THAT.

YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

THE, THE WHOLE POINT OF THE THING IS THAT THE ASSETS THAT WE HAVE THAT WE'RE NO LONGER GOING TO NEED, AND FRANKLY, THAT WILL SAVE MONEY FROM HAVING TO MAINTAIN AMONG OTHER THINGS, UM, BE USED TO MAKE THIS NOT HAVE TO HIT THE TAXPAYERS AS MUCH AS IT WOULD OTHERWISE.

SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT THING TO DO.

AND I'D, I'D BE HAPPY TO WORK ON REDRAFTING THAT.

IF WE WOULD DO THAT, WE'LL PUT IT BACK ON THERE.

I WANNA GO AHEAD AND, UM, THERE'S A TIME ISSUE HERE OF AVAILABILITY.

OKAY, MOVE TO ITEM TWO.

[II.A. Present/Discuss/Approve General Fund Budget for FY2025-2026. (Judge Deen) (Part 1 of 2)]

UH, JAMES, IF YOU WOULD COME UP, MODEL ROLE IS HERE, IF YOU WOULD COME TO INTRODUCE THEM, AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT, UH, THE REQUEST WAS MADE TO HAVE THEM COME.

UH, SO THE FLOOR IS YOURS.

I'VE INVITED, UH, MOTOROLA HERE.

UH, WE HAVE JONATHAN AND, UH, CASEY MOORE.

UH, CASEY WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL, UH, UPGRADE PROJECT SALES.

SO I INVITED HIM, UH, FOR QUESTIONS OR ANY CONCERNS YOU MAY, ANY OF THOSE QUESTIONS FOR THEM.

AND SO, YES, UM, COMMISSIONERS, IF Y'ALL HAVE THE FLOOR, UM, GOOD AFTERNOON.

CASEY MOORE, MOTOROLA SOLUTIONS, JONATHAN CASTLE, MCA, UH, MANUFACTURER FOR MOTOROLA SOLUTIONS.

I'M THE ONE THAT HAS A QUESTION.

SO WE BRING A, A BUDGET REQUEST IN HERE FOR FOUR ADDITIONAL TOWERS HERE IN THE, IN THE COUNTY AT, UH, SOMETHING UNDER $8 MILLION HERE.

UH, BUT WHEN WE, UH, APPROACHED THIS ISSUE BEFORE, WHEN WE SPENT $9 MILLION, UM, TO BUILD ONE TOWER, WE WERE TOLD THAT, GOSH, THAT'S PROBABLY GOT WHAT WE'RE GONNA NEED FOR THE NEAR FUTURE.

AND WE WERE ALSO HAVING THE RADIO NEEDS FOR THE NEAR FUTURE, BUT WE CONTINUE TO HAVE REQUESTS.

AND SO I, I GUESS I, I, UH, WANTED TO HAVE SOMEBODY TO TALK TO, TO ANSWER THE QUESTION FOR ME.

WHY WE NEED FOUR MORE TOWERS NOW THAT, THAT WE WERE TOLD WE WOULDN'T NEED WHEN WE SPENT THE $9 MILLION WITH YOU GUYS FOR.

AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT THE UH, 700 SYSTEM IS NOT IN PLACE YET.

THE TOWER THAT'S IN THAT, THAT'S IN MY, UH, BARN

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IS NOT OPERATIONAL YET.

AND KIND OF TELL US WHERE WE ARE THERE.

HOW ABOUT THAT? UM, YES SIR, I'LL DO THAT.

SO FIRST I'D LIKE TO BEGIN WITH, I HOPE THAT WE DIDN'T IMPLY THAT YOU WOULD NEVER HAVE ANY MORE NEEDS, UH, BUT THOSE NEEDS COME FROM THE COUNTY.

WE'RE NOT HERE TO TELL YOU WHAT TO GO DO.

WE PROVIDE GUIDANCE, WE'LL LOOK AT COVERAGE.

AND WHEN WE APPROACH THIS, ORIGINALLY THE FIRST STEP WAS GET OFF THE HF, GET TO 700 MEGAHERTZ, USE THE SAME EXISTING SITES.

WE DID THAT WITH THE REQUEST.

CAN WE ADD A SITE? AND WE DID.

THE WAY WE APPROACH COVERAGE DESIGN IS NORMALLY TWO DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.

ONE IS A CUSTOMER APPROACHES US AND SAYS, BUILD OUT A SYSTEM THAT DOES X AND AND WE GO AND DO THAT.

AND THAT'S HOW MANY OTHER SITES THAT YOU NEED.

ANOTHER IS, I'VE GOT ABOUT THIS MUCH MONEY, CAN I DO THIS AND ADD, ADD A SITE? AND THAT SCENARIO, WHAT WE DO IS FURNISH THE COVERAGE MAPS AND, AND THOSE WERE IN THE PROPOSAL.

WE ACTUALLY DID A COVERAGE COMMITMENT TO THOSE.

UM, I I CAN'T ANSWER IF YOU NEED THESE FOR SITES TODAY, TOMORROW, OR WHERE, AND I WOULDN'T EVEN BEGIN TO TELL YOU THAT.

THAT'S FOR YOU GUYS TO KIND OF DETERMINE, UM, WHAT I CAN DO IS IF YOU CAME BACK AND SAID, HEY, WE'RE HAVING GROWTH DOWN THESE AREAS, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? WHERE COULD WE PUT A COVERAGE SITE? WHAT WOULD OUR COVERAGE DO? SO I DEFINITELY WANNA APOLOGIZE.

THERE WAS NEVER ANY INTENTION ON MOTOROLA'S BEHALF TO TELL YOU THAT THIS WAS A ONE AND DONE.

UM, COMMUNITIES GROW, THEY EXPAND, BUILDINGS GET BUILT OUT.

THOSE ARE OPERATIONAL NEEDS THAT THE COUNTY HAS TO DETERMINE.

UM, SO COMMISSIONER, UH, DEFINITELY DID NOT INTEND AT ALL TO COME AT THAT TIME AND SAY, YOU'LL NEVER HAVE TO DO ANYTHING ELSE.

UM, BUT, AND WE'RE NOT UP HERE PRESENTING, HEY, COME BUY FOUR MORE SITES.

BY NO MEANS IT, WE, WE WERE ASKED TAKING WHAT WOULD IT COST TO ADD ADDITIONAL SITES? AND WE FURNISHED THAT INFORMATION.

SO I GET A COVERAGE MAP THAT SHOWS THAT WE NEED FOUR TOWERS.

I I DIDN'T GET THAT TWO YEARS AGO OR WHENEVER THAT WAS.

YOU, I GOT A, I GOT A MAP THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT OVER HERE.

WE'RE GONNA NEED TO ADD ONE SOMEWHERE IN THE SOUTHEAST SOMEWHERE LATER.

AND, UH, SO NOW, NOW I'M, I'M GOT LAYING HERE RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME, FOUR TOWER SITES, ADDITIONAL TOWER SITES THAT WE NEED, AND, AND YET THE 700 SYSTEM'S NOT EVEN IN PLACE.

SO I, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ARE ABLE TO GIMME A COVERAGE MAP THAT SAYS WHAT WE NEED WHEN WE DON'T EVEN, WELL, FIRST OFF, WE CLEAR, UH, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO TELL YOU WHAT YOU NEED.

WE'RE WE'RE SHOWING YOU SCENARIOS THAT IF YOU WANTED TO, IF, IF THOSE AREAS ARE IMPORTANT FOR GROWTH AND YOU NEED COVERAGE BEYOND WHAT THE FIVE SITES WILL PROVIDE, WE CAN MODEL COVERAGE.

WE CAN THEORETICALLY MODEL COVERAGE AND IT'S EXTREMELY ACCURATE WITHOUT ANY TOWER SITES.

SO THOSE MAPS ARE JUST SHOWING ONCE THE FIVE SITES ARE ONLINE, IF YOU WERE TO ADD THOSE ADDITIONAL SITES, THIS IS WHAT COVERAGE WOULD LOOK LIKE.

IN THE ORIGINAL CURRENT CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE, WE ARE OBLIGATED TO GO DEMONSTRATE COVERAGE FROM THOSE FIVE SITES WITH A PORTABLE ON THE HIP ON THE STREET.

AND THAT MAPS IN THERE.

UM, AND IT'S QUITE EXTENSIVE COVERAGE.

BUT BY NO MEANS IS IT COMPLETE THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S AREAS THAT SHOW THAT THERE'S NOT PUBLIC SAFETY GRADE COVERAGE.

UM, AS A VENDOR, I CAN'T COME TELL YOU, HEY, YOU SHOULD DO THIS OR THAT.

WE'RE, WE'RE MORE OF THE RES, WE, WE DEFINITELY WANNA EARN THE BUSINESS.

WE'RE NOT HERE TO, BUT, AND THEY'RE BIG DOLLAR AMOUNT.

SO I DEFINITELY, WE'RE NOT HERE LIKE, HEY, COME, COME TRY TO DO THIS WITH US.

THE REQUEST WAS SUGGESTED TO US AND WE FURNISH THAT WE CAN LOOK AT ANY SCENARIO THAT THE COUNTY WOULD LIKE US TO LOOK AT.

SO WE, WE ACTUALLY HIRED A CONSULTANT.

I BELIEVE, UH, TO COME IN AND, AND THIS IS WHAT THEY TOLD US WE NEEDED.

WE WANT TO SEE WHAT COVERAGE LOOKS LIKE WITH THESE ADDITIONAL SITES, IF THAT THAT HELPS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY GAVE A REPORT AND THEY'RE SUGGEST, SO THEY LOOKED AT IT MORE LESS OF A, WE, WE WERE ASKED WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO GO TO 700 MEGAHERTZ AND CAN WE ADD SOME ADDITIONAL SITES.

I THINK AT ONE POINT WE LOOKED AT TWO SITES AS PART OF THE CURRENT PROJECT, BUT DUE TO, YOU KNOW, THE FUNDING, AND IT DEFINITELY KNOW IT WAS ARPA FUNDS, BUT WE WERE TRYING TO, DIDN'T KNOW THAT THE COST WOULD THE WOULD BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT.

SO WORKING, WORKING WITH THE COUNTY WENT DOWN TO ONE SITE AS A BROCK SITE.

AND THEN MY UNDERSTANDING, THE COURT APPOINTED THE COMMITTEE TO REVIEW THE PROJECTS.

A CONSULTANT WAS HIRED TO REVIEW MOTOROLA'S PROPOSAL, AND THAT CONSULTANT LOOKED AT A MORE COMPREHENSIVE VIEW WITH MORE OF A NEEDS ASSESSMENT.

WHAT, WHAT MIGHT THE COUNTY NEED IN THE FUTURE.

AND MY UNDERSTANDING WAS AT LEAST, AND I, I HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT, BUT HE RECOMMENDED AT LEAST A COUPLE OF MORE SITES IN THE SOUTHERN REGION OF THE COUNTIES.

SO, SO IT'S YOUR, YOUR BELIEF THAT WE NEED FOUR ADDITIONAL TOWERS NOW THAT WOULD THAT BE WHAT YOU TELL? NO, I WOULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION HERE TODAY.

MY, IF, IF YOU WANT AN ANSWER FOR THAT, I WOULD SAY, WHAT IS THE COUNTY'S REQUIREMENT? AND THEN I WOULD GO DESIGN SOMETHING AROUND THE, THE COUNTY'S REQUIREMENT THAT THAT'S HOW THE, THAT'S HOW IT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE CONSULTANT DID, PROBABLY AT A HIGH LEVEL.

SO IF THE COUNTY CAME TO US AND SAID, MOTOROLA, WHAT WOULD A SYSTEM LOOK LIKE TO HAVE AN OFFICER INSIDE A BUILDING AND, AND THERE'S CLASSIFICATIONS PER THE STANDARDS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, WHAT WOULD THAT DESIGN LOOK LIKE? AND WE'D COME BACK WITH A DESIGN WITH HOW MANY OTHER SITES OR MOTOROLA, WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICIALS IN LARGE BUILDINGS, HOSPITALS, AND THE NEW HIGH SCHOOLS.

THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT DESIGN.

AND WE COULD LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE.

I THINK THE FOUR IS PROBABLY, I'M JUST GONNA DEFER HERE TO, TO JONATHAN.

I KNOW HE'S BEEN WORKING WITH JAMES ON THIS.

IT'S PROBABLY WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO GET PORTABLE ON THE STREET COVERAGE WITH SIGNIFICANT IN-BUILDING COVERAGE.

BUT I DON'T THINK AT ANY POINT IN TIME WE'VE BEEN GIVEN AN ACTUAL REQUIREMENT TO GO DESIGN AGAINST IT.

WAS WE,

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BUT SPECIFICALLY WE WERE TOLD THE 700 SYSTEM WOULD TAKE CARE OF THAT IN THE BUILDING, IN THE CLA IN THE SCHOOL BUILDING ISSUE.

WE IF, IF THAT WAS THE IMPLICATION THAT IT'S EVERYWHERE, THEN I APOLOGIZE.

THAT WAS NEVER THE INTENT.

DOES IT DRASTICALLY IMPROVE IT OVER VHF? YES.

AND WE WOULD SAY THAT ALL DAY LONG, BECAUSE VHF HAS A HARD TIME PENETRATING BUILDINGS BASED ON ITS FREQUENCY BAND, 700 MEGAHERTZ CAN GET INSIDE BUILDINGS BETTER.

SO WE'RE TAKING YOU GUYS FROM SINGLE SITE E EACH TOWER SIDE DOES ITS OWN OPERATION TO ALL, ALL FIVE SITES GONNA OPERATE IN UNISON.

SO NOW FROM ONE PARTICULAR BUILDING STANDPOINT, YOU GOT THE OPPORTUNITY FROM SIGNALS COMING FROM DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS, AND IT'S A HIGHER FREQUENCY BAND.

SO THE WAVELENGTHS ARE SMALLER, HAS A BETTER CHANCE OF GETTING INSIDE THE BUILDING.

SO ABSOLUTELY.

I I WOULD ALWAYS ANSWER THE QUESTION, YOUR COVERAGE PERFORMANCE IS GONNA BE BETTER IN A SIMULCAST.

UM, BUT I, I CAN'T PREDICT WHERE, WHERE YOU GUYS ARE GONNA HAVE NEEDS IN THE FUTURE.

AND, AND I WOULD HOPE I WOULD NEVER GET UP HERE IN FRONT OF THE COURT AND TELL YOU THAT YOU'RE ONE AND DONE.

THAT'S NOT MY STYLE.

IT'S A MOTOROLA STYLE.

I MEAN, AND I KNOW THEY'RE BIG NUMBERS AND I, I CAN'T STRESS ENOUGH, WE'RE NOT HERE SAYING, TRYING TO PRESS YOU TO BUY SITES BY NO MEANS.

I MEAN, THIS IS YOUR GUYS'S DECISION.

SO MAYBE, MAYBE YOU CAN TELL ME WHY IS WHAT, IS THERE A DELAY IN IMPLEMENTING THE 700 SYSTEM? UM, I, I HAVE A HIGH LEVEL, IT'S GONNA BE A, A YEAR FROM NOW.

I HAVE BEFORE HAVE A HIGH LEVEL UNDERSTANDING OF SOME OF THE ISSUES.

I THINK THE PROPER WAY FOR THE COURT TO GET THAT INFORMATION WOULD BE TO HAVE THE PROJECT TEAM GIVE A A TRUE UPDATE ON THE CURRENT OPEN ITEMS AND WHERE THEY'RE AT.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S MULTIPLE, IT WAS THE MOVE TO THE SMITH SIDE, I BELIEVE IT'S CALLED AWAY FROM THE ORIGINAL ALE THAT CAUSED SOME DELAYS AND CHANGED COSTS.

'CAUSE THE PROJECT TEAM HAD GOTTEN SO FAR DOWN THE ROAD, HAD TO SHIFT DIRECTIONS.

UM, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE BROCK LOCATION OF WHAT, IF THERE'S ANY, BEEN ANY ISSUES THERE.

UM, I UNDERSTAND LIKE WORKING WITH THE CITY OF FORT WORTH TO GET SOME OF THE MICROWAVE LINKS.

UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S CONSIDERATIONS ON TOWER LOADING ON THAT SIDE OF IT.

UM, THAT SLOWED THINGS DOWN TOO AS THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO THEY GET THESE EXTRA MICROWAVE DISHES.

UM, THE TEAM I KNOW IS LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVES, UM, TO PROVIDE THAT CONNECTIVITY SO THEY CAN SPEED THINGS ALONG.

BUT, UM, I, I DON'T HAVE THE DAY TO DAY ON THAT AND I, I APOLOGIZE.

SO IF IT DIDN'T COME FROM YOU, WHERE ARE WE GETTING, WHERE ARE WE GETTING THE, WE NEED FOUR TOWER STUFF FROM? UM, I THINK IT WAS REQUEST.

I'M GONNA DEFER TO JONATHAN.

AND THIS IS, I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT ANYBODY, I DON'T MEAN, I'M JUST ASKING, I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.

I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION.

IF IT DIDN'T COME FROM YOU, WHERE'D IT COME FROM? THE QUESTION CAME FROM JAMES.

AS THE, AS THE COUNTY'S GROWING AND AS THE, UM, THE GROWTH OF POPULATION IS GETTING STRONGER AND EXPANDING, IT'S BEEN, UM, JAMES'S REQUEST TO BE ABLE TO COME TO US AND ASK, AS WE KNOW THAT THERE'S GONNA BE MORE ECONOMIC GROWTH IN THESE PARTICULAR AREAS.

WE NEED TO GET AHEAD AND START LOOKING AT TWO THINGS.

NUMBER ONE, BUILDING OUT INFRASTRUCTURE FOR ADDITIONAL TOWER COVERAGE.

SO WE CAN HAVE PORT BALL IN THE, UH, PORT BALL, IN THE HIP STREET COVERAGE, AS WELL AS END BUILDING COVERAGE 10 AND BUILDING COVERAGE.

UM, BUT ALSO THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FOR THE CITIZENS IN PARKER COUNTY FOR THOSE AREAS THAT WE KNOW THAT WERE WEAKER IN OUR, UH, RF COVERAGE.

SO TO ANSWER A SIMPLE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, IT CAME FROM JAMES, UH, TO BE ABLE TO APPROACH ME TO BE ABLE TO GET THE, UM, DESIGN BUILD OUT FOR ADDING ADDITIONAL TOWER SETS FOR AREAS THAT ARE WEAKER IN COVERAGE PER SE.

IF, IF I CAN ADD, UM, SURE.

I'M ON THE RADIO COMMITTEE WITH JAMES AND WITH, UH, LIEUTENANT OVERHOLT AND SEVERAL OTHER FOLKS.

WE, UH, WE MEET ON A REGULAR BASIS AS I THINK THE COURT KNOWS, WE HAD DISCUSSED AT ONE POINT OR ANOTHER, PROBABLY SEVERAL TIMES, VARIOUS AREAS WHERE SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES WHERE FIRE, WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE CASE IS, WHERE THEY'RE HAVING REALLY HARD TIMES WITH THEIR RADIOS CONNECTING MM-HMM .

AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IS THE COVERAGE MAP AS IT STANDS NOW, AND THEN ALSO WHAT CAN WE DO ON A TOWER BY TOWER BASIS AS FAR AS NEW LOCATIONS TO HAVE THE BIGGEST IMPACT ON COVERAGE GAPS AS POSSIBLE.

AND SO I THINK, UM, WHERE JAMES CAME UP WITH THAT FOUR NUMBER WAS WE LOOKED AT OUR CURRENT DEFICIENCIES AND IT LOOKED LIKE, JAMES, IF YOU CAN HELP ME HERE, I THINK I REMEMBER, BUT YOU PROBABLY REMEMBER BETTER THAN I DO.

IT LOOKED LIKE THERE WERE TWO THAT WE REALLY NEEDED RIGHT NOW BASED OFF OF THE GROWTH THAT COMMISSIONER HALE'S GONNA HAVE.

AND THEN TWO MORE.

THESE RECOMMENDATIONS COME FROM YOU, YOU, OR DID THEY COME FROM THE COMMITTEE? HANG ON JUST A SECOND, COMMISSIONER.

WE, WE LOOKED AT ALL OF IT TOGETHER AND THE COMMITTEE AS A WHOLE AGREED THAT WE NEEDED FOUR AT SOME POINT.

THIS? AND SO STRATEGICALLY WE'RE SAYING OVERALL, UH, I, I TOOK IT AT TWO POINTS.

IT, IT, AND TO THE POINT IT, THEY DIRECTLY COME FROM ME.

UH, I'VE REACHED OUT AND THEN VISITING WITH THE COMMITTEE, UH, FOR ME, DEALING WITH THE DEPUTIES OUT THERE, UH, A DAILY BASIS, UH, I HAVE TO RELY ON THE COMMITTEE FOR THEIR EXPERTISE FOR ONE.

BUT I DO SEE THE LIMITATIONS WE HAVE OUT IN THE COUNTY.

UH, I SEE IT, I HEAR IT OVER THE RADIO.

I, I'LL GO TO THE SPOTS AND WHERE WAS

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OUR, OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR LEASE AGREEMENTS RIGHT NOW HOVERING, THEY, THEY JUMPED UP 25, 30% I BELIEVE THIS YEAR, UH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND THAT'S GONNA CONTINUE.

SO I WAS TRYING TO AVOID SOME OF THE LEASE COSTS AND IF WE COULD GET EXTENDED COVERAGE, UH, COUNTYWIDE.

SO THE FOUR NUMBER IS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WORKING ON A 10, 15 YEAR TYPE, UH, STRATEGIC OUTLOOK GOING FORWARD, THINGS THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED.

AND COULD WE ADD ANOTHER ONE HERE? SO, UH, THE REASON I ASKED FOR TWO THIS YEAR, WORKING WITH JONATHAN, AND I PRESENTED IT TO THE COMMITTEE, WHAT DO Y'ALL THINK? CAN Y'ALL TELL ME WE DON'T NEED THIS? DO WE NEED THIS? UH, DOES IT MAKE SENSE? AND, AND ASKED NOW? OR DO WE NEED TO WAIT? AND SO, UH, JAMES, HELP ME OUT WITH SOMETHING ON, ON THOSE AREAS THAT I THINK YOU'RE GONNA BE ADDRESSING OR THAT ARE TARGETED BY THE TWO THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING FIRST, WHICH ARE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE COUNTY.

YOU HAD DRIVEN TO QUITE A FEW OF THOSE AREAS WITH THE, WITH THE RADIO.

OH, YES, YES.

WITH IAN.

MANUALLY VERIFIED.

WE, WE DO, THERE ARE COLLEGE ISSUES THERE.

WE WENT DOWN, THAT'S HOW WE TRY TO, UH, TEST WITH THE SCHOOLS, UH, WITH THE SROS WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO SAY, DO WE NEED THE REPEATERS AT THE SCHOOL? SO I HAD THE SROS GO INTO THE BUILDING, THE NEW, UH, UH, GYM GYMNASIUMS BEING BUILT, AND IT'S LIKE, THERE'S NOTHING, UH, WE GOT, UH, 700 HERE AT MAINE.

SO WE DID THE, WORKED WITH CITY, UH, WEATHERFORD, LIKE, HOW'S IT WORK INSIDE, UH, YOUR SCHOOLS HERE? UM, AND ASKING THOSE.

SO MY LOOKOUT IS STRATEGIC, THE BEST PUBLIC SAFETY I CAN DO GOING FORWARD.

UM, I KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT SEVERAL AREAS IN MY NECK OF THE WOODS, WHICH ARE NOT NEARLY AS DENSE AS SOME OF THE POPULATION IN, IN YOUR NECK, COMMISSIONER HALE AND YOURS, COMMISSIONER CONLEY, THAT WE REALLY NEED THIS HELP.

QUAIL SPRINGS, FOR EXAMPLE, IS A GIANT DEAD SPOT, AND THERE'S A BUNCH UP ON PINE ROAD AND SOME AREAS LIKE THAT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THESE ARE VERY EXPENSIVE CAPITAL PROJECTS TO KENTON LAW ONCE.

YEAH, I DO.

I I DO UNDERSTAND THEY ASK.

I REALLY DO.

BUT, UH, FOR ME, UH, BEING INVOLVED WITH IT, UH, I'M LOOKING AT THE WAY, HOW DO WE BEST SERVE THE COMMUNITY? HOW DO I PROTECT THIS COURT? SOME TRAGEDY HAPPENED AND UH, I KNOW IT'S BIG.

UH, MY GOAL IS WHY I'M ASKING IS THE MONIES WE SAVED IN IT, MY BUDGET REQUESTS.

I PUT IN TRYING TO SHOW A COMMITMENT THAT I REALLY SEE THIS AS NEEDED AND I'M TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING I CAN.

AND THEN THE PERFECT SOLUTION, IF WE GO ON THE EAST SIDE, WE CAN REMOVE TWO TOWERS OUTTA THE LEASE, WHICH IS ABOUT $77,000 A YEAR.

UH, IF THOSE TWO COME OUT, UH, AND, AND WORK FOR MOTOROLA ON THAT GUIDANCE, IF WE CAN PUT IT, UH, PLACE IT HERE, HERE, THEN WE REMOVE TWO LEASE SITES.

THAT'S $77,000 A YEAR.

UH, THE PROBABILITY OF, UH, UH, GETTING SOME REVENUE FROM LEASING TO OTHER AGENCIES IS HIGH IN THAT AREA.

UH, ESPECIALLY WITH THE INTEROP, UH, CITY OF FORT WORTH.

I JUST CAN'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN KNOW WHAT THE NEED IS WHEN WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THE 700 SYSTEM IN SERVICE YET.

YOU USE THE, THE MAPPING WITH THE 700 F FREQUENCY, SO YOU CAN DRY THOSE OUT, UH, PRETTY ACCURATELY, HONESTLY.

UH, AND WE'VE DONE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS, UH, WITH THAT.

SO, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH THE, UH, MOTOROLA, I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE IT.

SO IF YOU SAY, HEY, I WANNA BUILD A NEW SYSTEM, 700, WELL, THEY'RE GONNA SHOW BASED OFF THE, THE TERRAIN, UH, EVERYTHING IN THE COUNTY.

IF YOU DO A SITE SITE HERE, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE.

SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE KNOW RIGHT NOW WHERE THE SEVEN HUNDRED'S GONNA SHOW UP STRONG AND WHERE YES, YES SIR.

THERE'S SOME AREAS THAT WE NEED, UH, WE NEED SOME HELP.

WITH THE 700 ON AT MAIN NOW, UH, WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD IDEA.

SO, AND WE'RE REALLY LACKING DOWN IN THE 3 77 AREA, UH, RIGHT HERE ALONG THE TARRANT COUNTY LINE.

AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE LOOKED AT, WE WANT TO GET UP NORTH AND WE JUST, YOU KNOW, I'VE ASKED FOR AS MUCH AS I THINK I COULD HIT THOSE AND THE SAVINGS WE'RE GETTING, DROPPING A COUPLE LEASE SITES.

UH, THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TODAY ASKING.

AND, UH, IF IT DON'T WORK, UH, I'M GONNA CONTINUE, HOPEFULLY THERE'S SOME GRANT FUNDING COMING OUT REALLY QUICKLY FROM THE STATE.

UH, UM, WORK EVERY ANGLE.

I CAN APPRECIATE YOUR WORK.

OVER THE NEXT 25 YEARS, AND HERE'S, HERE'S WHERE THE DENSITY WE THINK IS GONNA BE.

ANYTHING ELSE? SO I HAVE A, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR ALL THREE OF Y'ALL.

AS A WHOLE, I WAS ON A SCHOOL BOARD FOR A VERY SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME, BUT I KNOW ON SCHOOL BOARDS, THEY ENGAGE WITH CONSULTANTS TO PROJECT OUT WHERE GROWTH WILL OCCUR DOWN THE LINE.

ON A MORE MACRO LEVEL, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT TO COMMISSIONER WALDEN'S POINT OF, HEY, WE NEED TO KNOW WHERE THIS MONEY IS GONNA BE SPENT OR NEEDS TO BE SPENT.

HOW, HOW WOULD WE, HOW WOULD WE GET A PLAN THAT SAYS, HERE'S WHERE WE THINK THE GROWTH IS GONNA OCCUR IN PARKER COUNTY

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HERE'S WHERE AT SOME POINT WHEN THE DENSITY IN THIS AREA REACHES X, YOUR CURRENT COVERAGES MIGHT TECHNICALLY COVER THAT SPOT, BUT THEY'RE GONNA BECOME INSUFFICIENT.

HOW DO WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN ADVANCE SO WE CAN PLAN AHEAD INSTEAD OF PLAYING CATCH UP FROM BEHIND? SO, TWO PARTS.

I'LL LET CASEY ANSWER THE TECHNICAL SIDE.

HE'S AN RF ENGINEER, IS HIS BACKGROUND.

BUT THE OTHER PORTION OF IT, JUST LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE FOR FUTURE COSTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, JAMES HAD MENTIONED, UH, PUTTING TOGETHER A 10 OR 5, 5, 10, 15 YEAR PLAN JUST BASED OFF THE COVERAGE NEEDS AND THE, UH, RADIO SYSTEM AS A WHOLE FOR WHAT MIGHT BE COMING IN THE FUTURE.

SO WE'RE ACTIVELY COLLABORATING AND PUTTING THAT, THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER.

SO IT'S NO LONGER A SURPRISE TO YOU, PER SE, UH, WHEN WE, WHEN WE COME TO THESE THINGS.

BUT I'M GONNA LET CASEY ANSWER THAT TECHNICAL PORTION.

SO COMMISSIONER MOTOROLA IS, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE THE COMPANY THAT CAN TELL YOU THE GROWTH.

THAT'S NORMALLY SOME PUBLIC SAFETY OR THERE'S CONSULTANTS OUT THERE THAT DO THOSE PROJECTIONS ON POPULATION GROWTH AND DENSITY, THAT THAT'S NOT US.

BUT WITH THAT INFORMATION BROUGHT TO US, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY RUN ALL THE COVERAGE SCENARIOS YOU WANT.

UM, COMMISSIONER, YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE 700 MAPS, DO WE HAVE, HOW DO WE KNOW WE HAVE COVERAGE THERE? I MEAN, YOU DON'T UNTIL IT'S ACTUALLY TURNED ON, BUT I'LL TELL YOU, THOSE MAPS ARE EXTREMELY ACCURATE TO THE POINT THAT WE HAVE A CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED COVERAGE COMMITMENT TO THE COUNTY THAT THOSE MAPS WILL WORK AS SHOWN.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD.

AND THEN WE WILL DO THAT.

WE WILL, WE WILL HONOR THAT CONTRACT AND WE'LL EXCEED IT.

I HAVE NO DOUBT.

RIGHT? BUT VERY BARE MINIMUM.

CONTRACTUALLY, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE WILL HONOR IT.

UM, BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME.

THOSE MAPS ARE VERY ACCURATE.

SO, AND I'VE SEEN THIS TIME AGAIN, UH, COMMISSIONER HOLT WHERE, UH, CITY SAYS, HEY, WE THINK WE'RE GONNA GROW UP IN THIS AREA AND THAT AREA.

WHAT MIGHT IT LOOK LIKE IF WE EVER HAVE TO PUT A TOWER SITE UP THERE AND WE CAN RUN THOSE MAPS, NO CHARGE.

WE'LL DO THAT WORK FOR THE COUNTY.

UM, WHETHER OR NOT YOU TRUST THOSE MAPS AT THIS POINT TO LOOK AT A NEW TOWER SITE, THAT'S, THAT'S YOUR GUYS' DISCRETION.

I I MEAN, I'M NOT HERE TO TELL YOU YOU SHOULD DO THAT.

I CAN JUST TELL YOU THE MAPS ARE ACCURATE WHEN WE COME OUT AND TEST 'EM, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT MAP, UM, AND I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO COME MEET WITH THE COMMITTEE AT SOME POINT AND EXPLAINED MORE OF THE TECHNICAL SIDE OF THOSE MAPS OR THE COURT.

UM, THE MAPS REPRESENT PUBLIC SAFETY, GRADE COMMUNICATIONS, HIGH RELIABILITY.

DOES THAT MEAN IT DOESN'T WORK WHERE IT'S NOT PAINTED ON THAT MAP? IT, NO, I DON'T KNOW IT.

MAYBE IT WORKS, MAYBE IT WON'T, BUT IT DOES NOT MEET THAT 95% COVERED AREA RELIABILITY, WHICH IS DEFINED IN THE TIE PROJECT 25 STANDARDS.

SO THAT'S YOUR DISCRETION IF YOU BELIEVE THAT MAPS RIGHT OR NOT AT THIS POINT.

UM, WE CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED TO PASS AN ON THE STREET TEST.

UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO AS MUCH DESIGN WORK AS YOU, YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE, UM, TO, TO, TO ASK US TO DO.

BUT I, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOUR, YOU KNOW, THE POPULATION GROWTH AND THAT'S, THAT'S NOT OUR AREA OF EXPERTISE.

BECAUSE WE, I ECHO COMMISSIONER WALDEN'S FRUSTRATION.

WE'VE GOT A BUDGET THAT WE'RE, I MEAN, WE SPENT 20 MINUTES ARGUING OVER $4,000 THE OTHER DAY.

SO WHEN JAMES PUTS $3.8 MILLION IN FRONT OF US, THAT'S A PUNCH IN THE GUT.

AND WE HAVE TO KNOW IN ADVANCE TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY WHEN TO EXPECT THOSE MILESTONES AND BE ABLE TO PLAN ACCORDINGLY.

UM, AND THAT, THAT 3.8 IS NOT EVEN THE FINISHED DEAL.

IT'S THE BARE BONES AND THEN WE HAVE TO FLESH IT OUT.

SO, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? REALLY APPRECIATE Y'ALL COMING AND TAKING TIME TO COME OUT, SIR.

UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AGAIN, LAST CALL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

JAMES, DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU NEED TO STEP OUT ALSO? OKAY.

I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU, JAMES.

ON THAT NOTE, LET'S, LET'S REMEMBER ON THAT COMMITTEE THAT WE NEED TO REVISIT THE POPULATION GROWTH ASPECT AT OUR NEXT MEETING.

PLEASE.

JAMIE, IF YOU WOULD JUST COME UP FOR A SECOND.

UM, JUST 'CAUSE YOUR, YOUR TIMELINE THAT YOU HAVE AND, AND DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM? THE HEAT MAP, UH, WE PROVIDED ON THAT WE CAN GET ON A REGULAR BASIS NOW AS, UH, ADDRESS POP UP.

I'M ALSO TALKING 5, 10, 20 YEARS AHEAD.

FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THAT DATA.

THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH.

ARE, IS MOTOROLA THE ONLY OPERATOR? THE ONLY OPTION FOR THIS TYPE OF A PROJECT? PRETTY MUCH, MOST LIKELY THERE ARE PROVIDERS, OTHER COUNTIES MM-HMM .

AGENCIES TO USE, UH, MOSTLY.

UH, BUT WITH THE, THE INVESTMENT Y'ALL HAVE MADE IN THE EQUIPMENT MM-HMM .

AS WE BOUGHT, I MEAN THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT CURRENTLY.

UNLESS WE, I I WAS JUST ASKING 'CAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW THERE ARE.

A SUBSTANTIAL EQUIPMENT SWITCH OUT? YES, SIR.

WHEN, IF WE WERE TO EVER ENTERTAIN AN RFP FOR ALTERNATE SERVICES, DOES THE EQUIPMENT HAVE TO BE, IS THERE

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THAT, THAT'S THE, I THINK WE'RE PAST, WE HAVE, I THINK WE'RE PAST LOOKING AT OTHER OPTIONS WE'RE DOING TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD WITH THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE PURCHASED TO START MAKING THOSE CHANGES.

I MEAN, YOU CLARIFIED THAT.

I JUST THOUGHT I'D ASK BACK TO THE POINT THAT I MADE.

WE HIRED, UH, WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THE COMPANY, KIM MISSION, MISSION CRITICAL.

MISSION CRITICAL TO COME IN AND DO AN EVALUATION BECAUSE WANTED TO HEAR FROM SOMEBODY ELSE.

AND, UH, MY RECOLLECTION IS EACH OF THEM TOLD US WHEN WE MADE THESE $9 MILLION WORTH OF IMPROVEMENTS, WE'D BE OKAY FOR THE NEAR FUTURE.

UH, SO FORGIVE ME IF I'M A LITTLE BIT DISTRESSED WHEN I HEAR THAT WE NEED TO BE SPENDING OVER $7 MILLION JUST FOR TOWERS.

THAT'S NOT THE EQUIPMENT AND IT'S NOT THE ADDITIONAL RADIOS THAT WE WERE TOLD WE DIDN'T NEED.

WHEN WE SPENT THE $9 MILLION, WE WERE TOLD THAT THE, UH, UH, ALL OF THE RADIOS WOULD WORK AND EVERYTHING WOULD BE A LOT BETTER.

APPARENTLY THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

UH, WE HAVE ASHLEY.

UH, AND SO AGAIN, JUST IN RESPECT OF YOUR TIME AND YOUR WORK SCHEDULE, UM, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR AND I'VE, ASHLEY, I HAVE UPDATED, UH, DEALING WITH EVERYTHING I HAVE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AND ALSO WITH BRIANNA.

AND SO, UH, ASHLEY'S HERE TO ADDRESS THE SITUATION THAT WE HAVE WITH THE CURRENT OPPORTUNITY TO, FOR THE BUILDING THAT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED.

AND, UH, SHE'S HERE TO SPEAK ON THAT.

COMMISSIONERS JUDGE.

UM, I AM HERE JUST TO DISCUSS THE JUVENILE PROBATION BUDGET AND THE JJP BUDGET THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE JUVENILE BOARD ON AUGUST THE 15TH OF 2025.

UM, IN REVIEW, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU WANTED SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IN REFERENCE TO THE OFFICE SPACE THAT'S ALLOCATED IN THE JJEP BUDGET.

SO THAT ADDITIONAL $750,000, UM, IS DUE TO TWO THINGS.

UM, ONE IS THE POTENTIAL LEASE, UM, OF A SPACE LOCATED ON 1105 SANTA FE DRIVE TO ALLOW US TO GET INTO A BUILDING THAT MEETS THE NEEDS OF THE PROBATION DEPARTMENT.

ALLOWS US TO DO WORK EFFECTIVELY MEETS THE ELECTRICAL NEEDS, MEETS THE PLUMBING NEEDS, AND MEETS THE SECURITY NEEDS OF THE PROBATION DEPARTMENT.

THE ADDITIONAL $35,000 IS FOR REPAIRS OF TWO OF OUR VEHICLES THAT WERE DAMAGED IN THE HAILSTORM.

UM, PURCHASE ORDERS HAVE ALREADY BEEN CREATED UNDER THIS FISCAL YEAR BUDGET, BUT IN CASE THOSE REPAIRS ARE NOT COMPLETED BY SEPTEMBER 30TH, UH, WE WOULD WANT TO ROLL THAT MONEY OVER INTO THE FY 26 BUDGET.

QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON HER? YOU SAID ALL THAT PRETTY FAST? YEAH, SOUNDS GOOD.

WHEN YOU GO FAST, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO SLOW DOWN? YOU CAN ASK.

YOU CAN ASK ANY QUESTION.

I CAN PROVIDE YOU A COPY OF THE LINE ITEM BUDGET THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE JUVENILE BOARD.

I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT, UM, AS WELL.

WELL, YOU MENTIONED WATER AND ELECTRICITY.

ARE YOU HAVING THAT, ARE YOU HAVING PROBLEMS WITH WATER AND ELECTRICITY? YES, VERY MUCH SO.

UM, COMMISSIONER, I SUBMITTED A LETTER TO THE JUVENILE BOARD ON APRIL 18TH, 2025 SPEAKING TO THE CONTINUED DEGRADATION OF OUR BUILDING.

UM, AT THAT POINT, AGAIN, THAT WAS IN APRIL.

UM, SINCE 2021 THERE HAD BEEN 64 WORK ORDERS, UM, PRESENTED ON THAT BUILDING.

WE CONSISTENTLY HAD SEWAGE ISSUES, CONSISTENTLY HAD WATER OVERFLOWING.

UM, WE HAVE ELECTRICAL ISSUES THAT WHILE WE DO HAVE ELECTRICITY COMING OUT OF THE OUTLETS, THEY CANNOT ACCOMMODATE OUR NEEDS.

UM, WE HAVE A CONFERENCE ROOM THAT WE USED TO UTILIZE TO ALLOW OUR JUVENILES TO APPLY FOR JOBS, UM, WORK ON THEIR GEDS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

THAT OUTLET CAN NO LONGER SUPPORT A COMPUTER.

UM, IT CANNOT RUN THAT COMPUTER.

UM, WE HAVE HAD, UH, SEVERAL OF OUR, UM, IT MATTERS WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN FRIED BY ELECTRICAL ISSUES.

THE EMPLOYEE BATHROOM DOES NOT HAVE HOT WATER IN IT UNLESS YOU LET IT RUN FOR APPROXIMATELY TWO AND A HALF MINUTES.

UM, A BOOSTER CANNOT BE INSTALLED ON THAT IN THAT BATHROOM BECAUSE OF THE ASBESTOS THAT IS PRESENT.

SECURITY ISSUES PRESENT THEMSELVES IN THE FACT THAT WE CANNOT PROPERLY INSTALL CAMERAS TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THAT DEPARTMENT AGAIN BECAUSE OF THE ASBESTOS IN THE BUILDING.

SO YES, IT HAS BEEN A CONSTANT AND ONGOING ISSUE.

DOES ANYBODY IN HERE KNOW HOW OLD THAT BUILDING IS? UM, I ACTUALLY HAVE A ROUGH IDEA.

UM, JUST BASED UPON WHAT BUILDING AND GROUND SAID IT'S ANYWHERE BETWEEN 1943 AND 1948.

YEAH, 1914.

1914.

SO THAT WAS THE HOSPITAL.

THIS BUILDING WAS ADDED LATER.

A DOCTOR'S CLINIC.

I BELIEVE IT WAS MORE THAN 1940S.

SO IT WAS OBVIOUSLY NOT A BUILDING .

I THINK WE KIND OF GOT A ROUGH IDEA OF THE, UM, THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS AT THE JJ YES, SIR.

THAT WAS, UH, WAS BUILT AT A TIME TO ACCOMMODATE THE NEEDS OF 2025.

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AAP.

THE MAJORITY IS DISCRETIONARY.

IS THAT SCHOOL STARTED NOW? I THINK YOU HAVE A BETTER IDEA.

CERTAINLY.

UM, WE HAVE CURRENTLY FIVE THAT ARE ATTENDING, EIGHT THAT ARE ENROLLED.

UM, THREE OF THOSE JUVENILES THAT ARE ENROLLED OR HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROM THE COMMUNITY AND ARE CURRENT AND ARE CURRENTLY EITHER IN PLACEMENT OR IN A DETENTION FACILITY.

WE HAVE TWO ADDITIONAL STUDENTS THAT ARE PENDING EXPULSION HEARINGS FOR FROM THEIR CURRENT, UM, CAMPUS.

BUT WE HAVE FIVE CURRENTLY ATTENDING, TWO PENDING EXPULSION HEARINGS AND THREE THAT ARE NOT IN THE COMMUNITY.

THAT FIVE.

HOW MANY ARE MANDATORY PLACEMENTS NOW? MAY ARE DISCRETIONARY.

UM, FIVE.

WE HAVE ONE THAT IS, UH, MANDATORY.

JUST LIKE, UH, UH, WHAT YOU SPOKE TO BEFORE, UH, COMMISSIONER WALDEN, THE MAJORITY OF THE YOUTH THAT WE SERVED THIS LAST FISCAL YEAR WERE ALL DISCRETIONARY OFFENSES.

WE HAD ONE MANDATORY OFFENSE THAT WAS BASED A LOT UPON THOSE TITLE V OFFENSES, MEANING THAT THEY DID NOT BECOME MANDATORY IF THOSE OFFENSES, UM, OCCURRED ON SCHOOL CAMPUS.

SO THOSE, THE, THE TITLE V ALLOCATION HAS BEEN REMOVED THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

SO WHAT I CAN SAY TO THAT IS THE STATE HAS TOLD US TO PREPARE FOR AN INCREASE IN ENROLLMENT IN OUR JJPS SINCE, UM, THOUGH THAT LOCATION REQUIREMENT HAS BEEN REMOVED.

AND THEN THE ADDITION OF ADDITIONAL OFFENSES, WHICH WILL NOW BE CONSIDERED MANDATORY OFFENSES THAT'S KIDNAPPING, ROBBERY, BURGLARY, ASSAULT TO A SCHOOL EMPLOYEE OR VOLUNTEER AND EXHIBITING, THREATENING OR USE OF A FIREARM.

SO JUST, JUST FOR, I I REALLY NEVER DID GET, DID GET AN OFFICIAL NUMBER.

WHAT, WHAT'S THE BUDGET FOR THE JJAP FOR THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR? YES, YOUR HONOR.

UH, OR EXCUSE ME, COMMISSIONER.

THE BUDGET IS A FLAT BUDGET.

UM, SAME AMOUNT AS REQUESTED AS LAST YEAR.

WHAT'S THE AMOUNT? THE AMOUNT IS $564,693 IN THAT BUDGET.

IF YOU, IF YOU DON'T MIND ME ADDRESSING THAT, THERE ARE SOME CERTAIN CONTINGENCIES OF WHICH WE MAY NEVER USE THAT MONEY THAT IS IN THAT BUDGET.

UM, WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO PREPARE JUST LIKE GELS DO.

UM, FOR THE PROJECTED, UH, NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WE WOULD SERVE OR STUDENTS THAT WE WOULD SERVE, THERE IS A POSITION FOR A, UH, YOUTH EMPOWERMENT OFFICER, UM, FOR $55,000.

IT IS IN THAT BUDGET THAT IF OUR NUMBERS OF ENROLLMENT DO NOT INCREASE, WE WILL NOT FILL THAT POSITION.

UM, ANOTHER LARGE PORTION OF THE BUDGET IS, UM, FOOD COSTS.

SO THE FOOD COSTS, UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE ARE IN AN AGREEMENT WITH ALITO ISD WHERE WE PAY THEM, UM, TO PROVIDE MEALS TO OUR STUDENTS.

THE NUMBER THAT IS BUDGETED IN THE JJAP BUDGET IS TO SERVE 15 STUDENTS AT ANY GIVEN TIME, MEANING THAT ANY OF THOSE 15 STUDENTS DON'T GET FREE OR REDUCED LUNCHES.

SO I HAVE TO PLAN FOR AT LEAST HALF OF OUR, UH, MOU AGREEMENT FOR THOSE STUDENTS, UM, TO NEED LUNCHES.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, $15,000 IS IN THE BUDGET TO, TO COVER FOOD.

UH, LAST YEAR THE MAJORITY OF THE STUDENTS THAT ATTENDED WERE ALL FREE AND REDUCED LUNCHES.

SO WE ONLY USED A THOUSAND, UM, DOLLARS TO PAY BACK ALITO ISD.

SO THERE ARE CERTAIN CONTINGENCIES THAT ARE IN THAT BUDGET THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE WOULD HAVE NO INTENTION OF UTILIZING, BUT WE DO NEED TO, TO HAVE THOSE ALLOCATED IN, IN CASE FOR SOME REASON THERE IS A, A HUGE INFLUX OF STUDENTS.

WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE, UM, OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT GONNA AFFECT THE ACTUAL BUDGET, BUT WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO TAKE A LOOK THROUGH THAT AND GIVE US A ROUGH IDEA OF IF NUMBERS STAY STEADY TO WHERE THEY'RE AT RIGHT NOW? MM-HMM .

WHAT THE ACTUAL OR WHAT THE PROJECTED ACTUAL SPEND WOULD BE? OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE COULD HOLD YOU TO MM-HMM .

BUT IT'D BE GOOD TO KNOW.

I MEAN, WHAT DID YOU SAY 5 65 WAS THE CURRENT BUDGET? YES.

ROUGHLY.

SO IT'D BE GOOD TO KNOW, IS THAT 5 65 GONNA LOOK PROBABLY MORE LIKE 300 IF THERE'S NOT MORE ENROLLMENTS OR IS IT GONNA LOOK LIKE FOUR 80? JUST KIND OF, IF YOU COULD GIVE US AN IDEA, THAT'D BE HELPFUL.

I WOULD ASSUME IT WOULD LOOK VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THIS YEAR LOOKED LIKE IF THERE'S NOT THIS INFLUX IN, UH, IN STUDENTS.

GOT IT.

SO IT'S GONNA ROUGH RUN MORE AROUND THE 3 80, 400 RANGE POTENTIALLY.

AGAIN, DON'T HOLD ME EXACTLY TO THAT NUMBER.

NO, NOT YOU AT ALL.

THAT THAT'S A ROUGH ESTIMATE.

THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE, UH, PARENTS TO GET THEM THERE.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

ONE QUESTION, AND CERTAINLY I GET ASKED THIS.

HOW DO THOSE STUDENTS GET TO YOUR FACILITY? UM, SO, UH, IN OUR MOU UH, COMMISSIONER, IT IS SET OUT THAT IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE SENDING SCHOOL OR THE PARENT TO GET THE STUDENT TO THAT SCHOOL.

WEATHERFORD, ISD, UM, BUSES, ALL OF ITS STUDENTS.

THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO MEET AT A HO HOGGLE ADDRESS AND THEN BE BUSED TO THE JJAP.

WEATHERFORD.

ISD HAS EXTENDED THAT UPON TO OUR OTHER IDS AS WELL, THAT IF THEY CAN GET THEIR STUDENTS TO THAT HOGGLE ADDRESS, WEATHERFORD ISD WILL BUST THEM TO US AS WELL.

SO WEATHERFORD ISD RUNS A SCHOOL BUS TO US, ALL OF OUR OTHER SUPPORTING ISDS.

UM, IT IS

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YOU'RE WELCOME.

CAN YOU, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT TITLE VA LITTLE BIT FOR ME OR THOSE OF US THAT DON'T KNOW? I I CAN, YOU KNOW, I NEVER PLANNED IN MY 28 YEARS OF JUVENILE JUSTICE TO BE IN THE EDUCATION INDUSTRY.

SO I WILL TRY TO DO MY BEST AT WHAT THAT TITLE V MEANS.

WELL, YOU HAD REFERENCED IT AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M HAVE A PRETTY GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF IT.

SO THAT TITLE V ALLOCATION IS BASED UPON THE LOCATION AND WHERE THE OFFENSE OCCURRED.

SO TITLE V MEANS, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU GET AN AGGRAVATED SEXUAL ASSAULT, UM, IF IT'S TITLE V, IT MEANS IT HAPPENED AT SCHOOL CAMPUS OR ON A SCHOOL FUNCTION.

SO THAT TITLE V ALLOCATION, UM, MOVED THOSE OFFENSES, WE'LL MOVE THOSE OFFENSES THAT OTHERWISE HAD TO, UM, HAVE THE LOCATION OF HAPPENING AT THE SCHOOL.

IT NOW OPENS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO SEND THOSE OFFENSES TO JJAP IF THE SENDING SCHOOL SHOULD CHOOSE TO DO SO WITHOUT IT HAVING TO HAPPEN ON SCHOOL CAMPUS.

IT'S ALL ABOUT THE LOCATION OFF CAMPUS.

THEY DO IT OFF OFF CAMPUS.

INSTEAD OF DISCRETIONARY DISCRETIONARY.

THEN IT'S ALL ABOUT LOCATION OF THE OFFENSE AND WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT LOOK APPEARS TO, UH, EXPECT FOR US IS AN INCREASE IN THOSE NUMBERS.

YEAH, THAT WAS MY FOLLOW UP.

SO HOW DOES THAT HAVE, SO THAT WOULD IN THEORY MAKE MORE OF THEM MANDATED YES.

THAT'S, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE OF WHERE IT HAPPENED.

THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE THAT WOULD HAPPEN.

THAT'S I WASN'T CLEAR.

AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, LIKE OBVIOUSLY THE MANDATORY REQUIREMENT JUST MEANS THAT THE STATE REIMBURSES US FOR THAT BED AT A MINIMAL COST.

UM, THE DISCRETIONARY, UH, ALLOCATION IS WHEN OBVIOUSLY THE SCHOOL DECIDES TO SEND THAT OVER OR SEND THAT STUDENT OVER TO US AT THE COST OF THE SCHOOL, WHICH IN OUR MOU FOR THIS NEXT SCHOOL YEAR, UM, HAS BEEN INCREASED TO $125 PER DAY.

SO IN ALL ESTIMATE WE GET MORE MONEY, UM, ON THOSE DISCRETIONARY PLACEMENTS THAN WE DO THOSE MANDATORY PLACEMENTS.

'CAUSE THE STATE DOES NOT REIMBURSE US AT THAT AMOUNT.

I KNOW THE LUNCHES YOU SAID IT WASN'T VERY MUCH, BUT MM-HMM .

YOU KNOW, WHEN WE FIRST WERE HANDED THIS UNFUNDED MANDATE OF PROVIDING THE SCHOOL, I'VE SPOKEN TO THE SHERIFF ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF LOCATING A, UH, A BUILDING OR ON THE, ON THE PREMISE AND FEEDING THEM OUT JAIL.

AND I STILL FEEL LIKE I WONDER IF WE COULD FEED 'EM OUTTA JAIL.

SO IN SPEAKING WITH OTHER COUNTIES THAT HAVE TRIED THAT, UM, WHERE THERE HAS BEEN DEFICITS IS THAT THE SCHOOL NUTRITIONAL NEEDS, UM, IN THOSE SCHOOL NUTRITIONAL PROGRAMS HAVE TO BE MET.

AND THEY WERE RUNNING INTO SOME ISSUES WITH THE, THE JAIL MILLS NOT MEETING THEIR REQUIREMENTS, UM, FOR, THEY ONLY SERVED BOLOGNA SANDWICHES AT THE JAIL.

THEY GOT GOTTA HAVE PEANUT BUTTER, I GOTTA HAVE STEAK SANDWICH.

THAT'S KIND OF MY POINT.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE GETTING AT NOW.

TO, TO THAT QUESTION.

UM, COMMISSIONERS, JUST TO GET, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN, UM, IDEA OF WHAT THAT COST IS PER DAY, IT IS ACTUALLY FAIRLY MINIMAL.

UM, UH, IN THE EFFECT THAT IT IS ONLY A LITTLE OVER $3 FOR LUNCH AND, OR EXCUSE ME, $3 FOR LUNCH AND $2 FOR BREAKFAST.

SO IT'S ROUGHLY, YOU KNOW, ANYWHERE BETWEEN THE FIVE AND $6 RANGE.

AND THEN THERE HAS BEEN A CHANGE, EVEN WITH THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION ON HOW THE SCHOOLS ALLOW FOR FREE AND REDUCED LUNCHES.

UM, AND SO WE, WE WOULD SAY THAT PROBABLY BASED UPON WHAT WE KNOW THUS FAR, THAT THE MAJORITY OF OUR KIDS ARE GONNA QUALIFY FOR THOSE FREE AND REDUCED LUNCHES.

HA HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU ALL HEARD ANY OR GOTTEN ANY DIRECTION OR COMMUNICATION ON HOW THE SCHOOL VOUCHER DEAL MIGHT AFFECT Y'ALL? NO.

NO INDICATION WHEN, UH, WE HAVE ATTENDED THE JJP CONFERENCE AND THE CHIEF'S CONFERENCE AND WE HAVE HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS, THEY DON'T ANTICIPATE IT TO, UM, AFFECT US JUST DRASTICALLY MM-HMM .

UM, BECAUSE THERE'S PROBABLY NOT THE LIKELIHOOD THAT, UH, SOME OF THOSE CHARTER OR INDEPENDENT SCHOOLS ARE PROBABLY GONNA TAKE STUDENTS THAT HAVE OFFENSES SUCH AS THESE.

UM, AND SO DOES, SO DO THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS HAVE TO TAKE 'EM WHEN THEY HAVE THE VOUCHER? THAT I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK TO THAT.

I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, WHAT I'M GETTING AT UHHUH AND WHAT I'VE HEARD, BECAUSE I'M, I'M NOT THE ORIGINATOR OF THE THOUGHT IS UHHUH , IF, IF THE STATE HAS, IS HANDING OUT $10,000 VOUCHERS FOR STUDENTS MM-HMM.

AND IF A KID'S A TROUBLEMAKER AND CAUSING PROBLEMS MM-HMM .

THAT CHECK TO THE PARENTS AND TELL 'EM, GO FIGURE IT OUT.

OPTION THAT HAS BEEN ALLOWED FOR OUR SCHOOLS TO EXPLORE RELATED TO THEIR DISCIPLINARY ALTERNATIVE EDUCATION PROGRAM.

THEY CERTAINLY COULD ALWAYS DO THAT.

JUST LIKE NOW WITH NEW LEGISLATION, UM, THERE IS A VIRTUAL

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UM, THEY HAVE TO USE THE JJAP FIRST BEFORE THEY OFFER VIRTUAL EXPULSION OPTIONS TO THOSE KIDS IF THEY WANT THEM OUT OF THEIR, THEIR DAEPS THAT ARE ON CAMPUS.

BUT YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT, IT FALLS IN THE SAME LINE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT IS THE POTENTIAL THAT THEY EXPLORE OTHER OPTIONS TO JUST TAKE THEIR KIDS ELSEWHERE AND GET THEM OUT OF OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM.

THIS IS COMPLETELY UNRELATED, BUT CERTAINLY WE'RE JUST KIND OF KEEPING SCORE HERE ON IN, IN YOUR DEPARTMENT.

UH, THE, HOW MANY VEHICLES TOTAL DO Y'ALL HAVE OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD? WE HAVE FOUR EXISTING AND THEN TWO THAT ARE IN THE SHOP.

SO SIX TOTAL.

AND THEN ONE, UM, VAN FOR THE JJAP, BUT WE ALSO UTILIZE THAT IN THE SUMMER MONTHS SPECIFICALLY FOR OUR COMMUNITY SERVICE PROJECTS.

AND HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE TAKE HOME VEHICLES? NONE.

ZERO? YES, SIR.

AND, AND COMMISSIONER WALDEN, JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME MORE SPECIFIC ID, UH, INFORMATION ABOUT THOSE TWO OF THOSE VEHICLES WERE BUDGETED THIS FISCAL YEAR AND WE JUST RECEIVED THOSE, UM, THREE OF THE VEHICLES.

UH, WERE BECAUSE OF THE HELL DAMAGE.

IS THERE ANY OTHER QUE SORRY, GO AHEAD.

WELL, I KNOW THAT YOU, YES.

YOU BROUGHT, IS IT CHASE? YES, SIR.

CHASE JOHNSON? YES.

CHASE JOHNSON IS A LISTING BROKER ON THAT, ON THAT FACILITY.

UM, I THINK IT WAS, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT DAY IT WAS NOW.

THURSDAY OR FRIDAY? YES, SIR.

YEAH, WHEN, UH, YOU ALL HAD TO WALK THROUGH.

I WENT, AFTER WE FINISHED THE COURT THAT DAY, I WENT DOWN AND JOINED HIM ON THE, ON THE WALKTHROUGH, ASKED QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS, BUT THOUGHT IT'D BE A GOOD BENEFIT TO HAVE HIM HERE.

HE COULD HELP EXPLAIN THE PROPERTY, ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT.

SO I APPRECIATE YOU SHOWING UP TODAY.

THANK Y'ALL FOR Y'ALL'S TIME AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE AND TALK ABOUT IT.

SO, UM, 1105 SANTA FE.

LET, LET ME, LET ME JUST PREFACE ONE MORE THING.

WHAT WE HAD RECEIVED PRIMARILY WAS, UH, INFORMATION ABOUT LEA LEASING THE PROPERTY.

WE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THE, UH, ON LOOKING AT PURCHASE PROP ALLY POSSIBLY PURCHASING THE PROPERTY.

SO, UH, I WAS HOPING MAYBE YOU BROUGHT SOME OF THAT INFORMATION TODAY.

SO, UM, I MEAN THE ORIGINAL CONVERSATION I MET ASHLEY IN A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, I WOULD ASSUME AT THIS POINT TO DISCUSS THE POTENTIAL LEASING OF THE PROPERTY.

UH, IT'S ABOUT 7,000 SQUARE FOOT THAT'S CURRENTLY VACANT.

7,200 IS, UH, THE RENTABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE, TOTAL BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGE.

UH, PARKER COUNTY CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT IS, UH, 15,252.

UH, SO IT'S ABOUT 50% LEASED CURRENTLY.

UH, AND SO THE CONVERSATION JUST KIND OF STEMMED FROM THE POTENTIAL TO EXPAND DOWN THE ROAD AT SOME POINT.

AND THAT WAS WHEN WE STARTED TO EXPLORE THAT.

I MEAN, WE DO, WE DO HAVE IT FOR SALE.

IT'S MORE OF AN OFF MARKET TYPE OF FOR SALE OPPORTUNITY 'CAUSE WE'VE BEEN MARKETING OWNER USER TYPE OF SITUATION.

SOMEBODY THAT DOES NEED THE 7,000 SQUARE FOOT WHERE THE, THE BUDGET AND THE, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT YOU'RE SPENDING ON A LEASE PER YEAR MIGHT MAKE MORE SENSE TO SOMEBODY AS AN OWNER OPERATOR IN THAT 7,000 OR 7,200 SQUARE FOOT.

BUT I DO HAVE, UH, FROM OUR CONVERSATION ON FRIDAY, I HAVE, UH, RENT ROLL WITH SOME OF THE CURRENT, UM, BREAKDOWN, KIND OF BASICALLY ON LIKE A MONTHLY AND A YEARLY, UH, ANNUAL BASIS, UH, FOR THE RENTS AND THE LEASES THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE AND THEIR EXPIRATION DATES.

I ALSO EMAILED OVER THE, THE ACTUAL LEASES FOR YOU GUYS TO TAKE A LOOK AT AS WELL.

SO, BUT I, I CAN SHARE THAT WITH Y'ALL IF Y'ALL GOT KIND OF LITTLE PACKETS HERE.

BUT AS FAR AS THE MARKETING FOR THE, FOR THE, CAN I JUST, YEAH, SURE.

PASS IT AROUND THERE.

YEAH, THANK THAT.

I HAD ASKED FOR SOME OF THESE BECAUSE IF WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE, THE POTENTIAL TO PURCHASE THIS PROPERTY AND THOSE OTHER LEASE AGREEMENTS THAT ARE IN SPACE, UH, IN PLACE.

I THINK IT WAS WHAT, ANOTHER THREE TENANTS, THERE'S CURRENTLY FOUR TENANTS.

FOUR TENANTS, YES, SIR.

TENANTS.

BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE, THEY'RE STAGGERED LEASE.

THE SIDE THERE ON THE RIDE SAW THE AVAILABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT THEY WOULD BE GOING INTO.

SO THEY WOULD COME, THOSE LEASES WOULD MATURE AT DIFFERENT TIMES, UM, AS FAR AS POTENTIAL ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE COUNTY OR OTHER COUNTY OFFICES.

'CAUSE WE HAD DISCUSSED THAT OPTION FOR THE PROPERTY.

SO THERE'S A SITE PLAN IN THERE, UH, AND I CAN KIND OF RUN THROUGH YOU THE TENANTS THAT ARE EXPIRING AND HOW IT KIND OF LAYS OUT.

SO THE, UH, OBVIOUSLY THE,

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SO THE NTSS IS THE FIRST LEASE THAT WOULD BE UP.

AND THEY ARE UP LOOKING AT THE RENT ROLL THAT'S ON THERE.

THEY, THEIR LEASE CURRENTLY EXPIRES IN, UH, APRIL, AT THE END OF APRIL OF 2026.

SO THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT ONE.

AND THEN THE ONE RIGHT NEXT TO THAT IS SOLIRIS, AND THEIR LEASE IS UP IN OCTOBER AT THE END OF OCTOBER OF 2026.

SO THOSE ARE BOTH 1200 SQUARE FOOT SPACES.

AND THEN THE TWO THAT ARE NEXT TO THAT, WHICH IS QUEST DIAGNOSTICS AND LEVEL UP WELLNESS, THOSE, BOTH OF THOSE LEASES EXPIRE IN MARCH AT THE END OF MARCH OF 2027.

SO NOW THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY IF THE COUNTY WERE TO PURCHASE THAT, THAT YOU COULD NEGOTIATE AND WORK OUT EARLY RELEASES AND OR RELEASE TENANTS FROM THEIR CURRENT LEASES AND WHATNOT IF YOU DID NEED THE ADDITIONAL SPACE.

SO HOW LONG HAS EACH ONE OF THOSE BUSINESSES BEEN IN THERE? YEARS OR? THE QUEST DIAGNOSTIC HAS BEEN THERE, I BELIEVE SINCE 2011 OR 2013.

SO THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE.

I CAN TELL YOU FROM CONVERSATIONS THAT I'VE HAD WITH THEM THAT I THINK THEY WOULD BE POTENTIALLY INTERESTED IN DOWNSIZING AT SOME POINT.

UH, I DON'T, I WON'T SPEAK TO WHAT THEY WILL DO ON ANYTHING.

IT'S A CORPORATE BUSINESS, BUT I, I COULD SEE THAT THEY WOULD WANT, UH, THEY'VE EXPRESSED TO ME WHEN WE WERE WORKING THROUGH LEASE NEGOTIATIONS LAST YEAR, EARLIER THIS YEAR, THAT THEY WOULD THEY CONSIDERED MOVING DOWN OR DOWNSIZING? THEY'VE BEEN THERE THE LONGEST, YES, SIR.

AND THEN, UH, THE EVERYTHING ELSE, UH, SOLIRIS WOULD BE THE NEXT OLDEST, AND I BELIEVE THEY AND LEVEL UP WELLNESS ARE BOTH ABOUT 2022.

SO A FEW YEARS.

AND THEN, UH, NORTH TEXAS SURGICAL HAS BEEN IN, UH, THEY SIGNED A THREE YEAR RELEASE, SO THEY'RE ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS, OR RIGHT AT TWO YEARS NOW.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

REMIND ME WHAT THE, WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THAT PARKING LOT? HOW GOOD A SHAPE IS IT IN FIRE? SO I'D SAY, UH, YOU GOT A PRETTY DECENT THAT'S ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING THERE.

UH, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT SIDE PLAN, THERE'S A KIND OF LANDSCAPING WITH A TREE THERE IN THE MIDDLE THAT'S PRETTY DECENT CONCRETE.

REST OF IT'S SOME ASPHALT.

IT'S IN DECENT SHAPE CURRENTLY, I'D SAY.

I MEAN, I'M OBVIOUSLY NOT A CONTRACTOR, BUT I MEAN, IT IS ASPHALT.

SO THERE ARE SOME LITTLE AREAS, BUT THEY REDID THAT AT ONE POINT A FEW YEARS BACK.

I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DATE ON THAT THOUGH.

I'M JUST WORRIED IF WE PUT LIKE OUR TREASURER'S OFFICE OVER THERE, IS SHE GONNA BE COMPLAINING REAL FAST ABOUT THE, ABOUT THE PARKING LOT? ARE, ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE I'M TEASING CONDITION OF IT? I MEAN, THERE'S, I'M TEASING.

I'M, THERE ARE ABOUT 85 PARKING SPOTS CURRENTLY IN THAT SPACE.

THE, THE GREAT THING ABOUT THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY IS THAT IT'S ALSO ALMOST THREE ACRES.

SO THERE'S SOME UNDEVELOPED LAND BEHIND THAT THAT YOU, YOU COULD ADDITIONALLY USE AS WELL.

I'VE, I'VE DRIVEN BY IT, BUT I HAVEN'T INSPECTED THE PARKING LOT.

I WAS JUST TRYING TO SEE IF WE HAD, IF WE WERE GETTING INTO SOMETHING WHERE WE WOULD'VE TO DO A TOTAL REDO OR SOMETHING ANYTIME SOON.

NOT TOTAL.

IT'S FAIR, YOU KNOW, IT COULD USE SOME ATTENTION AT SOME POINT, PROBABLY FROM PRECINCT ONE.

YEAH, PROBABLY THAT WOULD BE SOME VERY LITTLE.

YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT YOU HAD SOME OTHER, UM, TIRE KICKERS, UM, POTENTIAL TIRE KICKERS FOR PURCHASING THE BUILDING.

IS THAT RIGHT? YES, SIR.

I, I, I CURRENTLY DO HAVE AN LOI IN HAND FROM A ANOTHER INVESTOR, AND I ALSO HAVE AN LOI ON A POTENTIAL LEASE.

UH, NOT TO RUSH ANYBODY IN ANY WAY BY ANY MEANS.

UH, I SPOKE TO THE OWNER OVER THE, ON FRIDAY AFTERNOON AFTER WE HAD SPOKE.

HE IS VERY COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH THE COUNTY, BELIEVES IN WEATHER ITIES.

UH, AS WE DISCUSSED, HE HAD, HE HAD, UH, ORIGINALLY INTENDED TO MOVE HALF OF HIS BUSINESS HERE AND HAS CONNECTIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY.

HE'S OUT OF STATE, SO HE WANTED TO EXPRESS FOR SURE THAT HE WAS NOT A CALIFORNIA OWNER THAT DIDN'T CARE ABOUT ANYTHING THAT WAS GOING ON.

UM, HE'S SO , WHICH I, HE MADE ME LAUGH WHEN HE SAID THAT, BUT , BUT HIS, HIS ENTIRE IN INTENTION WAS TO MOVE HALF HIS BUSINESS HERE.

HE ACTUALLY ENDED UP SELLING IT.

UH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SORRY ABOUT THAT.

IS NO, THAT'S OKAY.

I, I, I DO CURRENTLY HAVE AN LOI IN HAND FOR THE PURCHASE OF THE BUILDING.

WE'VE BEEN KIND OF WORKING BACK AND FORTH THROUGH SOME NEGOTIATIONS ON THAT.

WE HAVEN'T PULLED THE TRIGGER, OBVIOUSLY.

UH, AND THEN THEY'VE ALSO KIND OF COUNTER BACK WITH A POTENTIAL LEASE IN THAT SITUATION.

SO IT'S THE SAME.

OH, OKAY.

THERE'S AN INVESTOR ARM AND THEN THERE'S A TENANT IN TOW TYPE OF SITUATION.

INVESTOR THAT IS MORE OF A VERBAL OFFER AS WELL.

AND THEN I HAVE HAD ANOTHER

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SO THERE IS, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF TRACTION ON THE PROPERTY ITSELF, MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION.

AND I WILL SPEAK THAT MOST OF THE, THE INTEREST IS FROM MEDICAL USERS BECAUSE OF THE HOSPITAL ACTUALLY.

COULD YOU COME UP WITH, DON'T, DON'T GO ANYWHERE.

UM, SO WHAT STARTED ALL THIS WAS, WAS THE CONCEPT THAT YOU, WE COULD PUT THE JUVIE BOARD OR THE JUVENILE DEPARTMENT AND THE JJEP CONCEPTUALLY BOTH INTO THIS FACILITY AND FIT INTO THE AVAILABLE SPACES WHEN WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR SOME OF THESE LEASES TO EXPIRE TO DO THAT? OR IS THAT SPACE AVAILABLE NOW? THE 7,200 SQUARE FEET THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT COULD ACCOMMODATE BOTH THE JUVENILE PROBATION DEPARTMENT AND THE JJP.

BUT SEVEN THOUSAND'S ONLY AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW.

SEVEN 2072.

OH, 72 IS AVAILABLE MM-HMM .

AND THEN THE OTHER ADDITION IS ONE OF THE, UM, STOREFRONTS, IF YOU WILL, THAT IS COMING AVAILABLE IS THE FIRST LEASE TO BECOME AVAILABLE ACTUALLY WOULD WALL UP TO THE BUILDING AS WELL.

SO IF THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL NEED FOR WHATEVER REASON FOR 1200 SQUARE FEET, UM, WE, YOU KNOW, COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE THAT OPTION.

SO JUST INSIST FOR THE ENTIRE BUILDING TO, TO, WITH THE LAND THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT BEHIND IT, THE THREE ACRES AND SO FORTH, THAT THE ENTIRE BUILDING IS, WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE LIST PRICE OF IT RIGHT NOW? THE LIST PRICE, SIR? YES, SIR.

IT, IT'S LISTED CURRENTLY FOR $3.4 MILLION.

AND I HEAR THIS, THE, THE, THE, THE BUYER IS HIGHLY MOTIVATED WITH A LETTER OF INTENT IN HAND OR TWO LETTER OF INTENTS.

DOES THAT CHANGE THAT HIGHLY MOTIVATED OR NOW THAT HE SEES, HEY, THIS, THIS IS SOMETHING NOW THAT'S MARKETABLE AND WE SEE THAT THIS PROBABLY COULD BE MOVED? DOES THAT CHANGE THAT STANCE FROM THE BUYER'S PERSPECTIVE? THE CURRENT, YES.

UH, WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING THROUGH THAT.

SO MOST OF THESE TWO LOIS, UH, ARE ALMOST HAPPENING ALMOST AT THE SAME TIME.

UH, AND I'M NOT HERE TO MARKET OR SELL Y'ALL IN THAT SENSE.

UH, I THINK WE WOULD PREFER TO WORK WITH Y'ALL IN THAT SENSE OF JUST FROM SOME OF THE NEGOTIATIONS THAT HAVE CURRENTLY HAPPENED.

AND, UH, I ALSO THINK THERE'S THE ASPECT THAT THE, THE OWNER, AND I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK A HUNDRED PERCENT FOR HIM, BUT HE BELIEVES IN THE COMMUNITY AND WANTS TO HELP OUT WHERE HE CAN ON THAT AS WELL.

AND SO ARE THEY, HAVE I SPECIFICALLY TOLD THEM WHO THE OTHER PURCHASER OF THE BUILDING WAS? NO, I HAVE NOT TOLD THEM THAT.

IF THAT HELPS ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

WELL, AND I DON'T WANNA GIVE THE EXPECTATION THAT WE'RE SITTING HERE AIN'T READY TO MAKE AN OFFER, BUT THE 3.4 MILLION, HE, HE IS NEGOTIABLE.

I MEAN, THERE IS SOME FLEXIBILITY THERE THAT HE'S, HE'S WILLING TO TALK, WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BEST WAY TO PUT IT.

I WOULD SAY SO.

I, AND I THINK THE OTHER, THE, THE SITUATION THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY IN AS WELL IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF IN THAT MODE OF, UH, DECIDING IF, IF Y'ALL ARE GOING TO PURSUE A LEASE OR PURSUE A PURCHASE.

SO THERE'S SOME, YOU KNOW, NAVIGATION THAT STILL NEEDS TO OCCUR.

IF A LEASE DOES, IF YOU GO THE LEASE ROUTE, THEN IT, IT SUBSTANTIALLY INCREASES THE VALUE OF THAT PROPERTY BECAUSE THEN IT'S GOING FROM 50% LEASED TO A HUNDRED PERCENT LEASED.

WHERE CURRENTLY WE'RE MARKETING IT MAINLY TO AN OWNER USER THAT'S LOOKING TO OCCUPY THE VACANCY.

IF IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT LEASED, IT BRINGS A DIFFERENT POOL OF POTENTIAL BUYERS.

IS IS THE SITUATION BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS GONNA STILL BE FOR SALE.

LET, LET ME ADD THIS.

IF THE COUNTY CAME IN AND TOOK 40 SOME PERCENT, OR ALMOST HALF THE BUILDING AS A TENANT, WE'RE A STRONG CREDIT TENANT TO AN INVESTOR THAT'S LOOKING TO PURCHASE IT.

WE'RE MORE STABLE.

WE HAVE A BETTER CREDIT RATING THAN I'M SAYING IN GENERAL.

SO IT POTENTIALLY IS GONNA RAISE THE PRICE OF THE BUILDING ON THE MARKET TO AN INVESTOR IF WE SIGN A LEASE AGREEMENT AND AS A COUNTY AND THE COUNTY'S IN THAT BUILDING VERSUS NOW.

I MEAN, I THINK THAT THAT'S A VERY, YOU KNOW, IF THE COUNTY'S LOOKING AT LEASING IT AND IT HAD BEEN EAR EARLY SPOKEN TO THE COURT ABOUT WE CAN LEASE IT AND THEN POTENTIALLY BUY IT, WELL, WHEN WE LEASE IT, THAT KIND OF CHANGES THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY.

MEAN, IT COMES OUT TO OVER 10 YEARS, ABOUT $20 A SQUARE FOOT PER YEAR WITH THE TRIPLE NETS AT ALMOST $2.3 MILLION JUST IN RENT.

SO TO ANSWER KIND OF ALSO TO PIGGYBACK A LITTLE BIT TO HELP YOU YEAH.

UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE, THERE'S A RENT, UH, ESTIMATED RENT SCHEDULE, WHICH I TOOK THE TWO, YOU KNOW, $18 SQUARE FOOT PER YEAR AND $20 SQUARE FOOT PER YEAR, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE NUMBER, I

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SO IT, YOU KNOW, FOR ALMOST A MILLION MORE DOLLARS, YOU'RE ACQUIRING ANOTHER 7,200 SQUARE FOOT OF SPACE AND SOME ADDITIONAL LAND IN THE BACK.

SO IT, IT, IT'S A UNIQUE PROPERTY TO, TO VALUE AND KIND OF WHAT WE WERE DISCUSSING ON FRIDAY, BECAUSE WE'RE TRULY MARKETING IT TOWARDS AN OWNER USER OPERATION.

WE'VE BEEN MARKETING IT FOR LEASE IT WITH THE GOAL AND, AND INTENTION TO LEASE IT UP TO A HUNDRED PERCENT AND THEN POTENTIALLY MARKET IT FOR SALE TO INVESTORS.

AND SO GOING THROUGH THAT, WE HAVEN'T REALLY FACTORED IN THE THREE ACRES OF LAND.

I MEAN, YOU FACTOR IT IN, BUT WE'RE LOOKING MORE AT, ON THE, ON THE RENT ROLL SIDE OF IT, CAP RATES.

THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO ARGUE A VALUE OF AN OPINION FOR THE PROPERTY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE? THE, THE RENT ON THE CURRENT J-J-A-E-P, WAS THAT YEAH.

RENT WITH UTILITIES IS RUNNING ABOUT $85,000 A YEAR.

UM, WITH LEASE SPACE AND TRIPLE NET, YOU'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, 70, 75,000, BUT 85 PRETTY TOTAL.

ASHLEY, I HAVE A TECHNICAL QUESTION.

IS THERE A REQUIREMENT THAT THE JUVENILE PROBATION, UH, DEPARTMENT IS LOCATED IN THE CITY LIMITS OF WEATHERFORD? NO.

THAT, THAT IS JUST TYPICALLY THE WAY THAT IT IS DONE THROUGHOUT JUVENILE PROBATION DEPARTMENTS TO MAKE IT, UH, AN EASIER, UM, ACCESS TO THE, UH, PRIMARY CITY IN WHICH IT SERVES.

AND SO A MAJORITY OF OUR KIDS ARE ON PROBATION FROM WEATHERFORD.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I WOULD ASK ONE OR ADD ONE OTHER THING JUST TO LET THE COMMISSIONERS KNOW THAT, UH, MOORING, UH, DID WALK THE PROPERTY, UH, ON FRIDAY LOOKING FOR THIS RESPECTIVELY AT THE LEASE SPACE THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT.

AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE PRESENT AT COURT TOMORROW, UH, TO GIVE YOU A MORE LUCRATIVE IDEA OF WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU FOR COMING.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS.

THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION.

I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK Y'ALL.

IS A GENERAL BUDGET UPDATES.

JUST TO KIND OF FOLLOW THIS UNDER ITEM B, UH, WE'VE KIND OF TOUCHED ON EACH ONE OF THESE 'CAUSE OF THE AVAILABILITY OF THE AUDIENCE, UH, UNDER ITEM B

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BRIANNA, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU LOVE DOING THAT, DON'T YOU? ? SHE LOVES DEFERRING IT ALL.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

UM, YES.

SO THERE WAS A BUDGET UPDATE, UM, ON FRIDAY.

YOU APPROVED THE, UH, ONE FULL-TIME POSITION FOR THE NORTH CONVENIENCE CENTER, AND THAT ADDS 84,397 TO THE BUDGET FOR THE SALARY ADJUSTMENTS.

AND THAT'S A TOTAL OF $839,093 FOR THE SALARY.

AND, AND THEN THERE WAS A, JUST, UM, ADJUSTMENT TO THE OPERATING EXPENSE.

SO I DID, UH, PROVIDE YOU A COPY OF THE UPDATED, UM, BUDGET CHANGES, BUT FOR DEPARTMENT SIX 40 PUBLIC SERVICES, I HAD AN ERROR ON FRIDAY WITH THE 1000 INCREASE ON, I CAN'T RECALL WHAT IT WAS, BUT THAT, THAT WAS INVALID.

THAT WASN'T THERE.

SO THE CURRENT AMOUNT IS 41,973.

THAT WAS FOR THE WEATHERFORD LIBRARY THAT WE DECREASED THAT LYING ITEM.

UM, AND WE DID TRANSFER THAT TO THE CONTINGENCY PROGRAM CONTINGENCY, AND I DIDN'T HIGHLIGHT IT, BUT, UM, THE FIRST ITEM, THERE'S THE MEDICAL EXAMINER THAT WAS OFFICIALLY APPROVED THIS MORNING, THE DECREASE THE, AND THEN THE NEXT CHANGE WOULD BE ON THE CONTINGENCY BY REDUCING IT BY THE 44,000.

THE TOTAL APPROVED CONTINGENCY IS $254,412.

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THE OTHER ITEMS ARE STILL HIGHLIGHTED ONLY BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T APPROVED, BUT, UM, YES, THEY'RE THERE.

SO THE USE OF FUND BALANCE, THE UPDATED, IT'S, UM, $2,165,196 AND 85 CENTS.

BRIANNA, CAN YOU REMIND US WHAT THE GUESSTIMATE IS THAT WILL BE AT FUND BALANCE ONCE THE CURRENT YEAR IS FINALIZED? JUST VERY 44.

VERY ROUND NUMBER.

44.

AND THAT'S THE UNALLOCATED, UNASSIGNED.

UNRESTRICTED.

THANK YOU, .

ANYTHING ELSE? THAT WAS IT.

ADDRESS THE SALARIES OF BENEFITS FOR NON-ELECTED, IF WE MAY, IF WE CAN ADDRESS THAT ONE.

ON ITEM C ON CAP, NOT CAM, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THIS.

UH, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED OR TALKED ABOUT ON THIS THAT WE WANT TO ADDRESS RIGHT NOW UNDER ITEM C? OKAY.

HUMAN SERVICES.

WE PRETTY MUCH HANDLE THAT.

SALARIES AND BENEFITS FOR PARKER COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

UH, AND BECKY, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE WANT? WE'VE COVERED THAT PRETTY WELL.

IT'S KIND OF PROCESS ON THE HERE.

UM, SALARIES AND BENEFITS WE WANT TO ADDRESS.

I WANNA REACH OUT TO Y'ALL ON THIS.

WE HAVE DISCUSSED WHAT ON PROPOSAL ELECTED OFFICIALS SALARIES.

WE HAVE SALARIES AND BENEFITS FOR PRECINCTS.

WE HAVE SALARIES AND BENEFITS, NOT ELECTED EMPLOYEES.

UH, DO Y'ALL WANT TO, ARE Y'ALL PREPARED TO ADDRESS THAT NOW? OH, AND BY THE WAY, COMMISSIONER WALTER, WE DID COVER THE ROAD BRIDGE.

IT'S ALREADY DONE.

GOOD.

I GOT YOUR LEFTOVER MONEY IN A COFFEE CAN OVER HERE.

I'LL GIVE YOU THAT COFFEE.

CAN WE GET THROUGH, SORRY, I HAD TO, I HAD TO DO THAT.

SO IS THERE ANY ONE OF THESE THAT YOU WANNA PUT IN FRONT OF THE OTHER ONE TO DISCUSS OR ADDRESS FIRST? OTHERWISE, I WANT TO GO IN AND JUST GO RIGHT DOWN AND JUST DISCUSS WHAT ON I, I'D RATHER

[II.H. Salaries and Benefits for Non-Elected Employees. (Becky McCullough I Judge Deen) (Part 1 of 2)]

GO AHEAD.

YOU HAVE WHAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED HERE, UH, IS IS THE HANDOUT THAT'S GIVEN BY BECKY ON THE IMPACT OF THAT.

AND SO I GUESS THE INPUT OF THAT WOULD BE WHAT THE INFLATION INDEX IS, IS WHAT HOVERED AROUND TWO TO FOUR.

TWO TO THREE.

UM, AND IT COVERS UP TO THREE AND A HALF.

I THINK YOU WANNA ADDRESS THAT REAL QUICK.

WHAT WITH CPI? RIGHT NOW IT'S SITTING AT ABOUT 2.3.

IF YOU LOOK AT SOCIAL SECURITY, THEY ANTICIPATE ABOUT 2.7 BY OCTOBER POSSIBLY COULD GO UP.

OBVIOUSLY EVERYBODY'S KINDA WAITING TO STILL SEE IF THERE'S AN EFFECTIVE TARIFF.

IT'S IN ANTICIPATION WITH BECAUSE OF THAT.

SO THEY, THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, MY CRYSTAL BALL STILL BROKEN, BROKEN.

IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A, YOU LET YOUR FINGERS STICK IN THE AIR, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S REALLY CLOSE TO A THREE.

IMPACT IS A LITTLE OVER 1.9 MILLION.

BUT THEN AGAIN, WITH A PENDING CHANGE OF THAT AND THE IMPACT THAT'S GONNA HAVE ON THE ECONOMY, IT IS EXPECTED TO NUDGE UP A LITTLE BIT.

AND AGAIN, I PROPOSED, UM, A 5%, UM, RAISE WHERE THEY'RE NON-ELECTED IN THAT, I, I STILL STAND ON THAT.

IT'S A, IT'S A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN WHAT THE, UM, WHAT THE INFLATION INDEX IS.

BUT AGAIN, I THINK THERE'S SOME AREAS WHERE WE NEED TO REALLY ADDRESS WHAT THOSE SALARIES ARE, UH, TORE, RETAIN, AND GET THE BEST TALENT THAT WE NEED RIGHT AT TIME AND, AND, AND WHAT IS CRITICAL TO OUR COUNTY AND THE GROWTH THAT WE NEED.

GOOD PEOPLE.

AND THAT HAS SHOWN, UM, SHE'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT, WHAT WE DID THERE.

NOT THAT WE HAVE TO DO THAT EVERYWHERE, BUT THERE ARE THOSE AREAS I WANT TO JUST STAY AHEAD OF THAT INFLATION INDEX AND MAKE SURE THAT WE RETAIN THE PEOPLE WE WANT TO KEEP.

SO I'M STILL ON THE 5%, LITTLE BIT HIGHER, LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN WHAT THE INFLATION DID.

EXCESS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

WHAT Y'ALL'S THOUGHTS ARE, BECKY, CAN YOU COVER THAT ONE MORE TIME? AND JUST A 5%

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THAT DOES INCLUDE THAT.

MY TOTAL DOES INCLUDE PART-TIME, FULL-TIME ELECTIVE.

AND IT DOES INCLUDE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

SO CLEARLY IF Y'ALL DO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE SEVENTH GRADE, WE WOULD PULL THEM OUT AND THEN THE IMPACT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER.

UM, A 4% IMPACT IS ABOUT ONE POINT LITTLE UNDER 1.6.

AGAIN, PART-TIME, FULL-TIME ELECTED IN SHERIFF'S OFFICE, 3% IMPACT IS A LITTLE UNDER 1.2.

I'M GONNA MOVE THAT.

WE DO A 4.4%, 4% RATE.

I'M GONNA SECOND THAT.

AND THAT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S A GOOD PERCENTAGE HIGHER THAN THE INFLATION INDEX WHERE IT GOES WITH IT.

EXACTLY.

I THINK THAT'S A GOOD, UH, COMPROMISE.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CONY.

I'VE SECONDED THAT MOTION.

AND THAT AGAIN, IS THERE 4%, WHICH WILL IMPACT US AT 1.6 MILLION.

UM, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION WITH THIS ITEM SO THAT YOU'RE INCLUDING PART THE SHERIFF'S? NO.

SO YEAH, IT WOULD BE LESS THAN THAT.

SO A 4%, UM, SO A 4% FUND 10, TAKING THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE COMPLETELY OUT IS A TOTAL COST OF 9 65.

AND DOES THAT INCLUDE, THIS IS JUST FOR NON-ELECTED POSITIONS? THIS NUMBER INCLUDES ELECTED.

SO IF YOU TAKE ELECTED OUT, THAT'S GONNA PULL IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

ELECTED 4% IMPACT IS ABOUT 108.

SO THAT'S INCLUDED IN THAT 7 62.

COMMISSIONER CONLEY.

WE'RE ON THE NON-ELECTED EMPLOYEES.

I ASSUME THAT YOUR 4% IS ONLY FOR NON.

FOR NON, OKAY.

SO IT'S FOR NON-ELECTED, BUT, AND WITHOUT THE SHERIFF.

WITHOUT THE SHERIFF.

BUT IT DOES INCLUDE PART-TIME AND FULL-TIME AND PART-TIME.

AND THAT TAKES IT DOWN FROM 1.6 TO NINE 60.

UH, YEAH.

9 64 ACTUALLY PULLING ELECTED OUT, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BRING IT AROUND EIGHT 50.

OH, WAS THE ELECTED ONE 60 OR ONE? WHAT WAS THAT NUMBER AGAIN? FOR ELECTED 4 CENTS IS, I HAVE AT ABOUT 110,000.

SO 1 55.

8 55.

SO THAT WE STOP ASKING YOU, WILL YOU GO THROUGH THE 5 4 3 BROKEN OUT BY ELECTED NON-ELECTED? AND SHERIFF, IF YOU DON'T MIND, DO YOU HAVE IT IN A TABLE RIGHT THERE? OKAY.

ELECTED 3%, IS IT 81 5 55? AND Y'ALL SHOULD HAVE THIS SHEET IN FRONT OF Y'ALL.

UH, 4% IS RIGHT AT 1 0 9 AND 5% IS ABOUT 1 35.

UM, 3% TOTAL COST IMPACT.

AGAIN, THIS IS GOING TO HAVE THE ELECTED FIGURE IN IT.

UH, 7 32, 5 90 4%, 9 64, 9 83, AND A 5% AT 1195.

8 34.

AND THEN SHERIFF'S OFFICE, STEP GRADE, THAT IMPACT IS IN YOUR BOOK, OR IF YOU WANT TO JUST TALK ABOUT FLAT COLAS, UH, A 3% FOR CIVIL IS 92 5.

SO NON-ELECTED IS, YOU SAID 850? YEAH, ABOUT EIGHT 50.

PULLING OUT ELECTED.

I SECONDED THIS, I'M TEMPTED TO PULL IT BECAUSE I MEAN THAT'S, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THE RETENTION I, I BELIEVE IS SO IMPORTANT IS, IS THAT SEGMENT.

UM, I'M GONNA PULL, I WANT TO PULL MY MOTION.

WELL, MY UNDERSTANDING WHERE IT IS AND WHAT SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO SECOND, I TELL YOU WHAT, I'M GONNA LEAVE IT BECAUSE OF THE DISCUSSION OF THIS.

UM, JUST VOTE AGAINST IT.

YOU DON'T WANT.

THE COUNTY CAN BE DONE FOR HALF THE PRICE AND THEN IDENTIFIES IT.

SO WE'LL KEEP, SO WE'RE OPEN FOR DISCUSSION NOW.

YEAH, WE ARE.

SO OUR DOGE COMMITTEE OR BUDGET COMMITTEE, WHATEVER WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE CALLING IT, UM, AS THEY EVALUATE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, OR LET'S SAY JOB DUTIES, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE CHANGES MID-YEAR IF WE FEEL OR DETERMINE THAT, SAY IT'S DETERMINED OUTSOURCING A CERTAIN JOB DESCRIPTION IN

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HOW CAN THAT BE HANDLED? MID-BUDGET? WELL, IF YOU SAY YOU WENT OUT FOR AN RFP FOR CUSTODIAL, OKAY, THEN YOU DECIDED WE'RE GONNA DO THAT, THEN, I MEAN, CLEARLY THE MONEY WOULD HAVE TO COME FROM CONTINGENCY TO PAY FOR THAT, YOU KNOW, TO PAY FOR THAT BUDGET.

BUT THE ARGUMENT COULD BE THE SAVINGS FOR NO LONGER HAVING THOSE CUSTODIAL STAFF.

THAT'S WHY I'M WONDERING HOW THAT WORKS.

I MEAN, RIGHT.

OR IGNORANCE COME FROM, I MEAN, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S AN OPTION HERE.

I KNOW THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE DID DISCUSS.

AGAIN, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT DOING THAT MID-YEAR, THEN I THINK IT'S A CONTINGENCY ISSUE.

BUT AGAIN, IF YOU DECIDED TO OUTSOURCE IT, AND THEN IF ALL OF THOSE CUSTODIANS WERE TO BE LET GO UNABLE TO FIND POSITIONS WITHIN THE COUNTY, THEN OBVIOUSLY THE SAVINGS FROM THAT WOULD HELP OFFSET THE MONEY THAT WOULD CAME FROM CONTINGENCY.

AND I THINK THIS COAL IS SOMETHING THAT WE'LL TACKLE PROBABLY NEXT YEAR ON THE BUDGET COMMITTEE.

YEAH, IT WAS DISCUSSED.

I DID BRING SOME NUMBERS TO COMMITTEE, BUT REALLY THE DISCUSSION WAS THAT THIS SHOULD BE A FULL COURT DECISION, NOT A COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION.

I AGREE WITH THAT.

DO NEXT YEAR, OBVIOUSLY THE, THE COURT'S GONNA MAKE THE DECISION, BUT IS THERE THE APPETITE FOR THE COMMITTEE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF RATING FOR THIS NEXT YEAR TO KIND OF GIVE SOME GUIDANCE? I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE A, A COURT DECISION.

I MEAN, I THINK THE DISCUSSION NEEDS TO BE RIGHT HERE, IN MY OPINION.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED A COMMITTEE FOR THAT, IN MY OPINION.

WELL, I, I THINK IT IS JUST LIKE WE USED ON, I THINK IT IS PRETTY VALUABLE HAVING A COMMITTEE, ESPECIALLY THE WAY THAT IT WAS MADE UP AND THE WAY THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED GOING FORWARD WITH IT NEXT YEAR, HAVING THAT RECOMMENDATION TO THE COURT AND THE FINAL DECISION BEING HERE.

BUT I THINK THERE'S VALUE IN GETTING SOME INSIGHT.

I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF VALUE IN THAT BUDGET COMMITTEE THAT WAS FORMED AND UTILIZE, UTILIZED.

WE ALL MAKE GOOD POINTS AND YOU MAKE A VERY GOOD POINT.

AND, UH, BUT WHAT'S THE MATTER IN HAND HERE? 'CAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING TO BE DISCUSSED AS WE GO FORWARD.

FOR THE NEXT BUDGET IS, IS AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE HAVE A MOTION HERE AND 4%, UM, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FOUR AND 5% FOR NON-ELECTED? UH, IS YOUR A 50 VERSUS WHAT? IT'S ABOUT 200,000.

SO IT'S ABOUT 200,000 FOR EVERY 1%.

APIS RUNNING ABOUT 2.2 0.3 TO 2.7.

YOU KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, A BIG REASON WHY I DID THE BREAKOUT LIKE THIS WAS TO SHOW, YOU KNOW, SALARIES AND BENEFITS NOT GOING INTO FUND BALANCE FOR SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA ADD TO THE BUDGET EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW I SIT HERE AND I, YOU KNOW, SEE Y'ALL GET, YOU KNOW, KIND OF PUNCHED IN THE FACE, YOU KNOW, WITH A WHOLE LOT OF BIG REQUESTS.

UM, I'LL ALWAYS BE THE FIRST ONE TO SAY AT PARKER COUNTY, WE, WE TREAT OUR EMPLOYEES WELL.

WE HAVE GREAT BENEFITS PACKAGES, OF COURSE, EVERYBODY WANTS TO MAKE MORE MONEY.

EVERYBODY WANTS A RAISE.

EVERYBODY DESERVES TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT.

BUT THERE'S ALSO AN AFFORDABILITY FACTOR THAT THE COUNTY REALLY HAS TO LOOK AT.

UM, I KNOW THEY CAN VOUCH FOR PROBABLY MY STANCE ON THE COMMITTEE WAS I WAS VERY MUCH AGAINST, YOU KNOW, THIS PERSON GETS THIS AND THIS PERSON GETS THIS.

AND I WAS LIKE, LET'S JUST DO SOMETHING.

LET'S TRY TO DO SOMETHING GREAT FOR EVERYBODY, IS REALLY, AND I THINK THAT HAS REALLY SHOWED FOR THE MOST PART, THROUGH COURT.

Y'ALL HAVE REALLY GONE WITH WHAT THE COMMITTEE HAS SUGGESTED.

I THINK THERE'S ONLY ONE POSITION THAT'S BEEN APPROVED THAT THE COMMITTEE DIDN'T THINK WAS A GOOD IDEA.

UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT AFFORDABILITY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT CPI, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF RAISES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE FOR COUNTY EMPLOYEES OVER THE YEARS, I WOULD RECOMMEND A 3%.

THERE'S PLENTY OF OFFICES THAT HAVE SOME, BECAUSE THEY HAVE MANAGED THEIR BUDGETS EXTREMELY WELL WITH TURNOVER.

THEY'LL BE ABLE TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE IF THEY WANT TO.

UM, I THINK, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY ANYTHING THAT COUNTY EMPLOYEES GET IS BETTER THAN NOTHING, BUT YOU CAN'T ALSO LOSE SIGHT OF THE AFFORDABILITY OF THE IMPACT TO THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE.

ALL GOOD POINTS.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION WITH THIS ITEM? ALL IN FAVOR? AND THAT STAYED FOR FOUR, CORRECT? DID WHAT? THAT STATED 4%, CORRECT? MM-HMM .

4%.

BACK AND MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DO THE STEPPING GRADE FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.

HEY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT, BECKY.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DID HERE.

I THINK THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL.

CARRIE'S FIVE.

OH YEAH, YOU SWAPPED MONITORS WITH ME.

LUNCH.

YOU WANT ME TO WORK ON THE, I WANT TO GO

[II.G. Salaries and Benefits for PCSO. (Becky McCullough I Judge Deen)]

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WE HAVE A MOTION, WE HAVE A SECOND.

I THOUGHT WE DID THAT.

DO WE NOT? I, OKAY, SO I'LL SECOND THE MOTION SO WE CAN DISCUSS IT.

WE HAVE A UPDATE.

UM, NO, JUST, I MEAN, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, IT'S STILL THE ORIGINAL STEPPING GRADE.

THAT'S THE REQUEST WE HAVE.

THAT'S THE ONE THAT WAS SUBMITTED.

UM, YOU DID ASK FOR AN ADDITIONAL ONE, UH, AT LAST, LAST SESSION, AND THAT WAS, UH, SET TO Y'ALL YESTERDAY.

IT WAS, UH, IN FACT MORE THAN JUST THE ONE.

AND, UH, YES, SIR.

SO, UH, IF Y'ALL HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO GO THROUGH THAT, I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR IF YOU'D LIKE, I COULD PRESENT THAT TO THE COURT.

I THINK WE'VE REALLY TALKED ABOUT THAT A GREAT DEAL.

AND UNLESS THE COURT HAS ANYTHING ELSE THAT I THINK THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THE RETENTION AND THE RECRUITMENT OF THIS, BUT GETTING THEM AND THEN KEEPING 'EM IN THAT MIDTERM AND THEN AS THEY GROW THEIR CAREER HERE.

UM, BUT WHAT WORRIES ME IS SOMETHING, AND I THINK MR. COMMISSIONER DEN BROUGHT THIS UP, IT IS THE STEPPING GRADE CHANGES.

AND SO WHAT WE APPROVE HERE THEN AGAIN, COMES BACK DIFFERENTLY.

AND I KNOW YOU'RE ADAPTING TO THE MARKET IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

AND, AND THAT WAS THE ONES THAT I, THAT I WORKED ON THIS WEEKEND AND PRESENTED YESTERDAY OR, OR EMAILED TO Y'ALL.

UH, I, I'VE BEEN KIND OF PICKING THE BANDAID OFF A LITTLE BIT, UH, EVERY YEAR FOR THE LAST DOZEN OR SO YEARS.

AND, AND ONE OF THOSE IS JUST TOTALLY JUST RIPPING THE BANDAGE OFF AND JUST, JUST GETTING IT DONE.

AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT I, I DIDN'T EVEN REALLY, I WASN'T EVEN GONNA SEND TO Y'ALL.

THAT'S THE ONE I CALL THE OMITTED VERSION.

UM, BECAUSE IT, IT HAD SOME, UH, HAD, WELL, ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY, YEAH, YOU COULD LOOK AT IT.

AND THEN THE OTHER ONE SUBMITTED THE ONE THAT, UH, I, I CALLED THE REQUESTED ONE.

UM, IT IS, IT'S NOT EXACTLY WHERE WE NEED TO BE, BUT FOR, UH, THE RANK OF SERGEANT AND BELOW, WHICH IS 105 OUT OF 113 PEOPLE, ALMOST 93% OF, UH, MY OFFICE IS AT THE RANK OF SERGEANT OR BELOW.

THERE'S ONLY EIGHT OF US ABOVE THE RANK OF SERGEANT.

SO THAT, THAT REQUESTED ONE REALLY STAYS THE SAME AT THAT LEVEL AS IT DOES THE OMITTED ONE.

UM, BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE A STRANGE PLACE BECAUSE WE HAVE SEVEN LEVELS OF MANAGEMENT AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

THAT'S DEPUTY CORPORAL, SERGEANT, LIEUTENANT, CAPTAIN, CHIEF, AND MYSELF.

AND WITH THOSE DIFFERENT RANKS, OBVIOUSLY MORE KNOWLEDGE IS USED TO GET THOSE PEOPLE.

WE REQUIRE MORE OF 'EM.

THEY HAVE SUPERVISORY DUTIES AND A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITIES.

AND WITH THOSE SHOULD COME A PRETTY GOOD PAY RAISE IN INDUSTRY STANDARDS, USUALLY A MINIMUM OF 10%.

AND IN THAT, LIKE I SHOWED SOME OF THE, THE MANAGEMENT LEVELS WITH OTHER, UH, DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE COUNTY.

UM, SOME, YOU KNOW, HAVE TWO OR THREE, UM, SOME HAVE THREE OR FOUR THAT I CAN TELL.

AND, UH, AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER.

WE'RE KIND OF GETTING, NOT PUNISHED, THAT'S A TOUGH WORD TO SAY, BUT WE'RE GETTING PENALIZED FOR HAVING SEVEN LEVELS KIND OF WORKING WITH THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY AND NOT GETTING THE PROPER RAISE BETWEEN EACH ONE OF THOSE LEVELS.

IT, IT'S DIFFICULT.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE BEEN COMPRESSED FOR SO LONG, ESPECIALLY ON THOSE MID TO UPPER RANGES.

SO I, I MEAN THE CHIEF HAS THOSE DOCUMENTS ON HIS LAPTOP.

IF YOU, IF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE.

I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY GOT A CHANCE TO GO THROUGH 'EM YESTERDAY.

YEAH, I WENT THROUGH IT.

JUST BECAUSE WE DO IT THIS YEAR DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE, WHEN WE KNOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT NEXT YEAR.

UH, IF, IF THE, IF YOU RIP THE BANDAGE TOTALLY OFF, THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA TAKE CARE OF IT FOR A LONG TIME.

OTHER THAN THE FLUCTUATIONS WITH THE COALS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, INFLATION.

BE CAREFUL.

THAT'S WHAT THE TOWER GUY TOLD ME.

, I'M NOT THE TOWER GUY.

, NO, YA, WHAT A, I LOOKED AT THIS AND NOW THAT I'M LOOKING AT IT AGAIN, I DON'T SEE WHERE THE IMPACT OF COST IS.

AM I JUST MISSING THAT? I I, I DON'T LIKE DOING THAT.

'CAUSE THAT, THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF BECKY EVEN GOT THOSE.

SO, OKAY.

SO I CAN GUARANTEE YOU IT WOULD BE SUBSTANTIAL.

YOUR, YOUR RATIONALE THAT YOU'VE LAID OUT IN THIS, THIS EMAIL, UM, WAS CONVINCING.

UM, AND IS CONVINCING AT THE SAME TIME.

COLAS, BECAUSE THEY'RE APPLIED ON A PERCENTAGE BASIS TO A

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DEGREE, ALSO HELP WITH COMPRESSION, NOT NEARLY AS MUCH AS WHAT YOU'VE PROPOSED.

AND I'M NOT TRYING TO PRETEND THAT IT DOES, BUT A COLA HAS A HIGHER IMPACT ON A HIGHER PAID EMPLOYEE BECAUSE IT'S A PERCENTAGE THAN IT DOES ON THE LOWER PAID EMPLOYEE.

YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WHO GETS A 4% COLA AND THEY'RE MAKING 120 A YEAR, THEY GET MORE OF A RAISE THAN SOMEONE WHO'S MAKING 56,000 A YEAR.

'CAUSE 4% OF 120 IS MORE THAN 4% OF 56.

THAT'S PIECE OR MATH AT LEAST.

UM, THAT THAT'S CORRECT.

BUT THE PERCENTAGES STAY THE SAME.

THE DIFFERENCE, YES SIR.

THE NET, THE NET DIFFERENTIAL SO TO SPEAK, ON PERCENTAGE BASIS.

SO YOU'RE PROPOSING THE ORIGINAL PAY GRADE, RIGHT? YEAH.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND ON THE FLOOR.

BECKY, WHAT WAS THE COMMITTEE SCORE ON THAT? UH, ONE POINT EIGHTS ON THE COMMISSIONED AND A 1.7 FOR DISPATCH AND ANIMAL CONTROL.

AND HOW LONG IT TAKE TO GET THE, THE ACTUAL DOLLAR AMOUNT, UH, SO THAT WE KNOW THE IMPACT THAT WE'RE HAVING? UM, WE'RE HERE ON FIVE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.

YOUR WIFE .

5 72 9.

JUST 58.

I'M JUST DO WHAT? MAYBE I $572,958 ON THE, WHEN YOU ADD UP ALL THE CHANGES, UHHUH ALL THE ADDERS, I ADDED 'EM ALL UP AND THAT WAS THE BOTTOM LINE ON THE LINE FOR NEW SCALE WITH STEP RAISE.

BUT THEN IF YOU PUT A TOTAL COST, BECAUSE EVERY TIME WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE CALL? EXCUSE ME.

THAT'S JUST GONNA HAVE SALARY ON IT FOR HIS NUMBER.

SO THAT'S NOT TAKING ANY CONSIDERATION THE BENEFITS OR ANY OF THAT.

SO ANYTIME THERE'S AN INCREASE TO SALARY, YOU'RE GONNA INCREASE THEIR, UM, THEIR FICA.

THEIR T-C-D-R-S.

THERE'S WORKERS' COMP AND THERE'S LIFE INSURANCE.

WHAT'S THE, WHAT RULE OF THUMB ON THAT? 40 DOUBLE.

I MEAN IF IT'S, I, I'M GUESSING, I MEAN I HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO GO THROUGH AND PUT A TOTAL COST ON IT.

I MEAN WE HAVE 4% FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT.

THIS IS THE ORIGINAL STEP IN GRADE I 85 AT 30.

SO, BUT THAT'S BASED ON JUST CURRENT SALARIES PLUS FOUR.

SO WHATEVER, YOU'RE RIGHT.

I THINK IT WOULD HELP 'EM TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT 4% IS AND WHAT THE, OKAY, SO LIKE A 4% ON THE CIVIL, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT $20,000 DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SALARY AND TOTAL COST COMMISSIONS.

YOU'RE LOOKING AT JUST ABOUT 90,000 INCREASE.

CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? SO IF YOU WERE TO GIVE THEM JUST A 4% BASED ON TO, SO SALARIES, RIGHT NOW FOR THE CIVIL SIDE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT $20,000, A LITTLE MORE THAN $20,000.

ON THE COMMISSION SIDE, IT'S AROUND 90,000 TO ADD IN TO THE, FOR THE TOTAL COST.

SO THAT WOULD BE OUR REQUESTED BASICALLY OF HOW MUCH MORE THAN IT IS THAT THE 4% THAT YOU ARE GIVEN TO THE REST OF THE COUNTY, IF THAT HELPS.

DOES THAT INCLUDE BOTH CIVIL AND COMMISSIONED? IS THAT, DOES THAT INCLUDE ABOVE THAT 90,000? THAT'S 90 PLUS 40 YOU SAY RIGHT NOW? NOW THIS IS JUST, IF YOU WERE TO TAKE THEIR CURRENT SALARIES AND ADD 4% TO IT FOR THEIR STEPPING GRADE, IT'S A TOTAL OF 610,006 19 FOR COMMISSIONS AND FOR CIVIL IT'S 1 68, 1 50.

IF Y'ALL APPROVE THE ORIGINAL STEPPING GRADE THAT WAS PRESENTED.

SO FOR THE NEW, I WAS KIND OF UNDER THE, IN UNDERSTANDING THAT WAS TO SHOW Y'ALL THE GOAL.

I WASN'T CLEAR THAT THAT WAS GONNA BE A NEW REQUEST.

WOULD BE THIS APPROXIMATELY 573,000 TIME.

SO THE MOTION WE HAVE ON THE FLOOR IS JUST TO APPROVE THE STEPPING GRADE.

SO THAT'S WHAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US.

SO LET'S, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? THAT TOTAL AMOUNT, THE CURRENT SALARIES, IF NOW IF YOU'RE WANTING COLAS ON TOP OF THAT, I TOTAL NOT FACTORED THAT THE TOTAL BUDGET THAT WE, THE AMOUNT WE HAVE TO BUDGET

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ONE POINT WHAT? 3 8, 3 7 FOR THE OVERHEAD OR THE, SO WHAT IF THE QUESTION IS, IS IT 37% MORE FOR BENEFITS INSURANCE AND ALL THOSE THINGS? OR IS IT MORE THAN THAT ABOUT YEAH, PROBABLY ABOUT 30%.

I WOULD SAY TIMES 1.3.

SO IF WE TAKE 572,958, WHICH IS THE COLUMN OF NEW SCALE WITH STEP RATES MULTIPLE TIMES 1.3, IT BRINGS IT TO JUST SHY OF 745,000.

THAT WOULD BE THE ADDITIONAL COST USING THOSE NUMBERS.

COMMISSIONER HALE, CAN YOU HOLD UP THE SHEET YOU'RE LOOKING AT? THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL.

OH, THAT THEY GAVE US? YEAH, THE ORIGINAL ONE.

AND I JUST WORKED PERCENTAGES ON THE SIDE.

BUT THIS COLUMN HERE IS NEW SCALE WITH STEPH.

AND IF YOU ADDED ALL OF THOSE UP, WHICH WAS THE CHANGE I HAD 5 72 9 58.

SOMEBODY WANTS TO CHECK MY NUMBERS AND I MULTIPLY THAT, THAT TIMES 1.3.

I GOT $744,845, WHICH IS ALMOST 745,000.

WHICH WOULD BE FOR BOTH THE ADDITIONAL, THE DIFFERENCE, EXCUSE ME.

IS THE DIFFERENCE, OKAY.

I COME WITH FIVE SEVEN.

I FOUND THAT THE SHEET.

WHAT'D YOU COME UP WITH? 5 7 2 9 5 8.

THAT'S WHAT I HAVE.

AND IF YOU MULTIPLY THAT TYPE 1.3 TO GIVE THE BUDGETED AMOUNT, YOU COME UP WITH JUST SHY 7 45.

BUT THAT'S THE SWORN, THAT'S NOT THE CIVILIANS.

I'D SAY IT'S AN ADDITIONAL 1 68, 1 50.

NOW WE'LL SAY ON MY NUMBERS ARE GONNA COME IN A LITTLE BIT LOWER BECAUSE AS THEY HAVE TRANSITION, THEN I GO INTO A VACANT C AND I DROP IT BACK DOWN TO LIKE A LEVEL ONE.

SO MY NUMBERS ARE GONNA COME IN A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN YOURS BECAUSE OF THAT, I THINK.

BUT UM, IF WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE ORIGINAL PAY, PAY SCALE STEP AND GRADE, Y'ALL ADOPT THAT STEP GRADE AND YOU'RE GONNA GO WITH THAT.

MY NUMBER IS SIX TEN SIX NINETEEN FOR COMMISSIONED 1 68, 1 50 FOR CIVIL OR FOR DISPATCH AND ANIMAL CONTROLLED.

IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? AGAIN, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ONLY.

NO, 4% ON TOP.

SO MUCH DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 4%.

IS THERE ANY OTHER INFORMATION Y'ALL NEED? NO.

DO ALL IN FAVOR? DO Y'ALL WANT THE PAY SCALE? YES.

DO MOTION CARRIES FOUR ONE.

CAN, AND THAT WAS FOR BOTH CORRECT? WE'RE ODDS OF TAKING A BREAK AS SOON AS THE SHERIFF GETS FINISHED, DOCTOR, NO, I'M, I'M JUST GONNA SAY THANK YOU TO THIS COURT SHERIFF.

I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

THE GUYS AND THE GUYS, THEY GIVE YOU EVERYTHING THEY'VE GOT EVERY DAY AND IF IT'S EVEN POSSIBLE THEY'RE GONNA GIVE YOU MORE AFTER THIS.

AND I APPRECIATE IT.

I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU.

WE APPRECIATE WHAT Y'ALL DO.

E ON JUST DISCUSS, VOTE ON PROPOSED ELECTED OFFICIAL SALARIES.

SHERIFF.

I CAN SAY ONE THING REAL QUICK ABOUT THE NO VOTE.

UM, I THINK I'VE STRESSED MANY TIMES.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT MAKING A LOT OF MONEY, MAKING A HEALTHY LIVING.

YOU GUYS PUT YOUR LIVES ON THE LINE AND I WANNA RESPECT THAT.

THE PURPOSE FOR MY NO VOTE IS SIMPLY THIS AS A STEWARD OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

ALSO, I REALLY WANT TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE A FIRM PLAN THAT KIND OF STAYS IN PLACE, SO TO SPEAK.

IT'LL HAVE ADJUSTMENTS TO IT, BUT I'D REALLY LIKE TO GET AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

IF THAT MEANS WE RIP THE BANDAID OFF, THEN LET'S RIP THE BANDAID OFF.

LET'S GET TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE.

BUT NEXT YEAR, IF YOU DON'T MIND, LET'S, LET'S COME WITH, UH, COME WITH A, HERE IS THE BANDAID RIPPED OFF PLAN AND WE CAN DUKE IT OUT FROM THERE FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.

IS THAT I CAN GU I CAN GUARANTEE YOU OF THAT.

AND, AND I I RESPECT THE DECISION OF EVERY MEMBER OF THIS COURT, YOURSELF INCLUDED.

THANK YOU, SIR.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, WE'LL TAKE A RECESS AND UH, JUST COME

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RECESS AT THREE 10.

WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO ITEM

[II.E. Discuss/Vote on Proposed Elected Officials Salaries. (Becky McCullough I Judge Deen) (Part 1 of 3)]

JUDGE, I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST TO THE COURT SOMETHING THING WE ARE GOING TO THE VOTERS FOR A COUPLE OF SIGNIFICANT BONDS FOR THEIR DECISION, THOSE BONDS, WE HAVE PROJECTED CERTAIN IMPLICATIONS ON TAX RATE AND THE IMPACT ON TAXES.

I KNOW THAT WE GIVE VERY, VERY CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATES.

SO THE CHANCES ARE GOOD THAT THOSE REAL IMPACTS, ESPECIALLY IN FUTURE YEARS, WON'T BE QUITE AS HIGH SIMPLY 'CAUSE OUR ESTIMATES DON'T REALLY ACCOUNT FOR ANY POPULATION GROWTH.

BUT I'M GONNA SUGGEST TO THE COURT THAT WE LEAD FROM THE FRONT.

I'M GONNA SUGGEST TO THE COURT THAT WE KEEP OUR ELECTED OFFICIAL SALARIES FLAT YEAR OVER YEAR WITH NO COLA.

OKAY, THAT'S A MOTION.

WE KNOW THAT IT'LL ONLY GET WORSE IF WE DON'T.

I'LL SECOND THAT FOR THE DISCUSSION.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER T I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION FOR THE DISCUSSION PHASE.

YOU IN THE DISCUSSION PHASE.

THIS, WE'RE NOT ANY DIFFERENT THAN NON-ELECTED EMPLOYEES.

YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO BUY TO COST OF LIVING FOR US IS JUST LIKE UNELECTED OFFICIALS.

THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.

SO THE, THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IS THAT WE HAVE FOLKS ON HERE WHO, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS.

AND, UH, WE PROVIDED A SALARY FOR WHERE THOSE PEOPLE ARE.

UH, SOME OF THE, UH, RAISES THAT WE GAVE TO NON-ELECTED BUMP NUMEROUS PLACES MUCH HIGHER THAN WHAT AN ELECTED OFFICIAL IS.

AND, UH, I I I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE DID IT FOR EVERYBODY.

IF YOU WANNA GO BACK AND UN UNDO ALL OF THAT, THE WHAT WE JUST DID FOR EVERYBODY ELSE, THAT'LL BE GOOD.

BUT OTHERWISE WE GROW INTO A, A DEEPER HOLE.

AND THAT'S WHY THAT'S WHERE WE GET INTO THE AREA WHERE WE HAVE THE SALARY GRIEVANCE COMMITTEE BECAUSE OF THE DISPARITY BETWEEN, UH, OFFICES HERE.

AND, UH, I, I LOOK AT, I LOOK AT THE LIST OF WHAT THEY'RE GONNA MAKE.

I, IN ANOTHER YEAR HERE THAT I'VE GOT BECKY TO RUN OUT FOR ME.

UH, DISTRICT JUDGES GOT A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE FROM THE STATE.

THE COUNTY COURT LAW JUDGES.

YEAH, THEY'RE THE SAME DISTRICT JUDGES THAT ARE GONNA BENEFIT BY THAT JUSTICE CENTER.

WELL, BUT THEY COMING ON DOWN THERE, I I, YOU KNOW, THE DISTRICT JUDGES GONNA MAKE $245,000, UH, CCL 2 34, ANOTHER ONE, UH, 1 99 COUNTY JUDGE 1 95 BECAUSE OF THE BOOST TO YOUR THINGS THERE.

AND IT GETS THINGS OUT OF WHACK.

UH, SO THAT'S WHY, UH, ALTHOUGH IT SOUNDS GOOD IN PRACTICE, IT'S NOT 'CAUSE WE GET A, WE DIG A DEEPER HOLE FOR PEOPLE DOWN HERE.

YOU GOTTA GO WAY OVER HERE TO, UH, WHOLE DIFFERENT PAGE OVER HERE.

WHEN YOU GET TO, UH, THE CONSTABLES AND WHAT THEY MAKE, UH, JUSTICE OF THE PEACE AND WHAT THEY MAKE IN COMPARISON WITH SOME, UH, PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT EVEN DEPARTMENT HEADS WHO ARE MAKING SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN THAT.

AND YOU SAY, WELL, THAT'S THE JOB.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE WORKED FOR A LONG TIME TO TRY TO GET THINGS STRUCTURED AS TO WHERE THEY SHOULD BE.

AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW.

WE HAD, WELL, LYS BACK HERE, WE HAD, WE HAD PEOPLE SALARY, GRIEVANCE, AND I, UH, BECAUSE OF WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT AND WHEN WE CONTINUE TO GIVE, UH, THAT, UH, SIMPLY A, UH, PERCENTAGE COLA INCREASE EVERY YEAR, THAT DISPARITY GROWS MORE.

'CAUSE THE MORE YOU MAKE THE, THE BIGGER, UH, RAISE THAT YOU GET, UM, I, I BRING THIS UP EVERY TIME, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR THE JOB THAT'S DONE, SOME OF THESE PEOPLE DON'T MAKE ENOUGH MONEY.

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AND, AND ALTHOUGH I THINK IT'S A, A, A OF GOOD GESTURE, I, I THINK ONCE AGAIN, IT JUST PUSHES THE, THE PROBLEM FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD AND, AND, AND INCREASES THE PROBLEM THERE.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR, UH, EFFORT THERE.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT.

WELL, I WANT, I WANT TO ADDRESS THIS.

I DO GET A SUBSIDY FROM THE STATE ON THE JUDICIAL SIDE OF MY JOB.

I, I WASN'T LIKE THE COUNTY COURT OF LAW AND I'M ASTOUNDED AT WHAT THE DISTRICT JUDGES GOT.

I DID GET $6,000 ADDED TO THAT.

I WISH THERE WAS A WAY I TO NOT TAKE IT.

I DIDN'T ADVOCATE FOR IT.

I I WOULD RATHER NOT, BECAUSE I DO FEEL, I UNDERSTAND WHERE JACOB IS COMING FROM.

BUT THEN AGAIN, YOU MAKE A VERY GOOD POINT WITH, UM, IF YOU DO, IF YOU DO THIS AND, AND, AND JACOB'S HEART'S IN THE RIGHT SPOT HERE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE VOTER, BUT THEN YOU BECOME IN AND THAT DISPARITY THEN STARTS GETTING BIGGER.

AND SO THERE WILL BE A DAY COME WHEN YOU HAVE A STATUTORY PROBATE JUDGE.

THAT WILL BE A STAGGERING COST TO THE COUNTY, UH, VERSUS WHAT THEY THEY GIVE ME.

BUT I AM A RECIPIENT OF THAT.

AND SO I AM SENSITIVE TO THAT TO TAKE THAT.

AND I WISH I, I COULD, COULD RESCIND IT, UH, ON THAT 6,000 BECAUSE THEN I FEEL LIKE THEN IF WE, IF, IF WE DO WHAT JACOB IS SAYING, AND AGAIN, HARD IN THE RIGHT SPOT, UM, AND, AND FOR THE RIGHT REASONS, THERE'S A LOT OF, I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT THAT DISPARITY EVEN BEGINS THERE.

AND I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UH, SOMETHING THERE THAT'S SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.

BUT I DO UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.

I MEAN, YOU MAKE A VERY GOOD POINT WITH THAT.

YEAH, I, I'M NOT GONNA ARGUE AGAINST ANYTHING Y'ALL ARE SAYING.

I DON'T THINK THIS IS A BLACK AND WHITE ISSUE.

UM, I MEAN, I, I HAVE SEVEN KIDS, UH, SIX OF THEM ARE STILL HOME AND I PAY THE CAR INSURANCE FOR THE SEVENTH AND HE'S A 19-YEAR-OLD BOY.

SO YOU CAN IMAGINE.

AND THE CELL PHONE, I NEED TO GET THAT KID OFF OF PAYROLL ANYWAY.

I I I GET IT.

UM, I HAVE A JOB AT NIGHT, NOT ON THE WEEKENDS BECAUSE COSTS ARE HIGH.

LIFE'S EXPENSIVE RIGHT.

NOW THAT BEING SAID, ARE YOU HIRING? WHAT'S THAT? ARE YOU HIRING, DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BASEBALL? IS THAT THE JOB YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YES, SIR.

PRIVATE LESSONS.

SO WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS WE'RE TAKING TO THE VOTERS AN IDEA THAT IF THEY WANT TO EXPAND THE JAIL AND BUILD A NEW JUSTICE CENTER, WHICH WE BELIEVE OUR NEEDS ARE THERE AS A COUNTY, AND WE BELIEVE THAT WILL HELP ENSURE THE LAW AND ORDER ASPECT OF THE COUNTY THAT'S GONNA HIT THEM IN THE WALLET.

AND I DO THINK THAT AS LEADERS OF THE COUNTY, IT'S CRITICAL THAT WE LEAD FROM THE FRONT.

THAT'S WHY I MADE THAT MOTION.

IT'S GONNA HIT US TOO.

I THINK WE'RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER.

RAISES, ELECTED OFFICIALS, DIDN'T GET A RAISE FOR TWO OR THREE YEARS.

AND, AND WE'RE LEADING BY A ADDRESSING A CRITICAL NEED NEEDS.

UM, AGAIN, I I THINK THAT SENDS A MESSAGE THAT, HEY, WE'RE WILLING TO STEP BACK AND, AND WE KNOW WE'RE COMING TO YOU FOR A TAX INCREASE.

UM, BUT WE, WE'VE PHASED IT IN.

WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN.

THERE'S THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING NOW, EVEN WITH THESE PROPOSITIONS IS BEING PROPOSED.

BUT AGAIN, UM, JUST, I, I THINK THERE'S A VERY GOOD POINT HERE.

MADE THAT THERE, WHAT SALARIES ARE OUT THERE DOING THIS, UM, THAT DISPARITY WILL GROW.

I MEAN, IT IS WHAT IT IS.

IF WE'RE HAPPY WITH IT, WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT, BUT LET'S PROCEED.

BUT AGAIN, SO THAT'S SEAN'S CALL, FOR EXAMPLE.

UM, SHERIFF ATHEER, TYING THE MOST RECENT ITEM BACK TO THE CURRENT ONE ON HIS, UH, THIS IS WHAT IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE IF WE RIPPED THE BANDAID OFF COMPLETELY, WOULD PUT CHIEF BARNETT'S SALARY QUITE A BIT ABOVE MINE.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.

I MANAGE A BARN OF 20 SOMETHING EMPLOYEES, BUT I DON'T HAVE TO SEND ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE INTO SITUATIONS WHERE THEY'RE, WELL HOPEFULLY GONNA GET SHOT AT OR NOT GET SHOT AT.

CHIEF BARNETT HAS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF RESPONSIBILITY AND HE BEARS THE WEIGHT OF UNDERSTANDING THAT HIS DECISIONS COULD RESULT IN SOMEBODY LIVING OR DYING.

I DON'T HAVE THAT BURDEN ON ME.

SO JUST, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT THIS ON ANYBODY ELSE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I DON'T NECESSARILY FEEL I UNDERSTAND THE ARGUMENT.

IT DOESN'T QUITE RESONATE WITH ME AS MUCH ON, WELL, THIS PERSON WILL MAKE MORE, THIS PERSON WILL MAKE MORE.

I KNEW WHAT THIS JOB PAID WHEN I CAMPAIGNED FOR IT.

SO BACK IN 2010, 11, 12, 1, 1, MAYBE ONE OF THEM YEARS, WE DIDN'T GIVE ANYBODY A RAISE.

AND THEN THE LAST TWO OR THREE, WE GAVE JUST UNELECTED OFFICIALS

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AND MY FOREMAN WAS ALMOST MAKING AS MUCH MONEY AS ME AFTER LIKE KIND OF WHAT WE WERE SAYING WHILE AGO BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET ANY AND THEY GOT IT.

AND I MEAN, HE WAS RIGHT THERE WITHIN 5,000, MAYBE 10 OR WHATEVER, WHAT I WAS MAKING.

AND I KNOW SPEAKING TO SOME OF THE, THOSE BIG RAISES THAT CAME DOWN FROM THE STATE, I BELIEVE, UH, JEFF SWAY TOLD ME IT'S BEEN SINCE 2014 THAT THEIR SALARIES HAD BEEN ADDRESSED.

AND SO I KNOW THE COUNTY EXPERIENCED THAT SEVERAL YEARS AGO WHERE EMPLOYEES WERE GETTING RAISES, ELECTEDS DID NOT CREATED THE COMPRESSION.

SO, SO THERE WAS LARGE RAISES GIVEN TO ELECTED OFFICIALS AND IT LOOKS REALLY BAD INSTEAD OF DOING, I MEAN, I, I GET IT.

I HEAR YOU.

YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S THE VOTE, I'LL RESPECT THE VOTE.

UM, BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ALL GOOD POINTS.

NOT TO NAME NAMES, BUT I'VE HAD YES, COME ON UP.

I, I'VE HAD PEOPLE TELL ME, UH, OF THE SITUATION THAT AS YOU'RE DESCRIBING IT HERE, THEY WILL BE AT THE SAL SALARY GRIEVANCE COMMITTEE AND THEY WILL BE FILING A GRIEVANCE.

WE'LL EXPECT THAT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S OUT WHACK.

UM, THE THING I WANTED TO MENTION IS, UH, EVEN BEFORE I WAS ELECTED, UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE WORKED IN THE CLERK'S OFFICE SINCE 2011 DOING THE MINUTES, AND THERE WERE SEVERAL YEARS THAT ELECTEDS DIDN'T GET, UM, SALARIES.

UH, THE FIRST YEAR I WORKED HERE, WE TOOK FURLOUGH DAYS, UM, TO MAKE THE, UH, BUDGET BALANCE.

BUT THE, THE CAUTION I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT IS, AGAIN, UM, NOT JUST ME, ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS, BUT ESPECIALLY THE CONSTABLES, THE CONSTABLES, THIS IS GONNA AFFECT THEM THE MOST, THEIR GUNS AND BADGES.

BUT THAT RAISE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE JUST GOT, DOESN'T APPLY TO THEM.

THERE'S DOZENS OF DOZENS.

DOES IT, IT AFFECTS THEIR DEPUTIES.

IT NOT AFFECT THE CONSTABLE, BUT THERE'S DOZENS OF PEOPLE THAT MAKE MORE THAN A CONSTABLE MAKES.

BUT AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE SALARY GRIEVANCE, I WENT THROUGH THAT TWO YEARS AGO AND IT'S NO FUN.

IT, IT'S NOT, IT, YOU GET A LOT OF PUBLIC CRITICISM.

UM, BUT THE PAGES GET SO OUT OF WHACK THAT IT'S, UM, YOU JUST CAN'T SIT BACK AND SAY, OKAY, THANK YOU.

MAY I HAVE ANOTHER? UM, BUT IT, IT'S NO FUN DOING A SALARY GRIEVANCE.

AND, AND THAT'S EXACTLY HOW IT ALL STARTED WAS, UM, THE ELECTED FEE, UH, ELECTED OFFICIALS FORGO THEIR RAISES FOR SEVERAL YEARS UNTIL, UH, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT PULLING A BANDAID OFF.

THAT'S WHAT WE HAD TO DO TWO YEARS AGO.

BUT, BUT THANK YOU JUDGE LILA BRINGS UP A GREAT POINT.

IF I AMEND MY MOTION TO EXCLUDE CONSTABLES FROM THIS, SINCE THEY ARE GUNS AND BADGES.

WILL YOU HOLD YOUR SECOND? I'LL KEEP, I'LL KEEP THE SECOND THERE.

I'M GONNA STAND THE DISCUSSION PHASE.

I AMEND MY MOTION SO THAT THIS APPLIES TO ELECTED OTHER THAN CONSTABLES.

THERE'S NO OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT CONSTABLE IS THERE? OKAY.

UH, MY SECOND STANCE, THIS IS PER YOUR CHANGE IN MOTION.

I WANT TO BE IN THE DISCUSSION.

SHERIFF, A SORRY, SHERIFF AIA, IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM IF THIS FAILS? I HAVE A PLAN, I HAVE A THING TO PUT INTO PLAY HERE THAT HOPEFULLY WOULD WORK, UH, TO, TO, UH, PUT THINGS IN MOTION TO, UH, GET US TO THE CORRECT, CORRECT CATEGORIES WHERE THEY NEED TO BE.

SO, BUT I, I LOOK AT, I LOOK AT CONSTABLES, I LOOK AT, UH, THE JPS AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALL SUBTLY DOWN HERE IN THE SECOND PAGE.

AND I, I DON'T HOW MANY THERE ARE ON HERE, BUT THERE'S 20 SOMETHING ON PER PAGE AND THEY'RE SOLIDLY DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SECOND PAGE.

UH, SO, AND I, I DON'T HAVE, I DON'T HAVE CURRENT NUMBERS ON WHAT THAT'S GOING TO DO AT, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE OR FOR THE OTHER DEPUTY DEPUTIES OR WHATEVER.

WE, UH, DEPUTY CONSTABLES, I SUPPOSE.

I, I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE A NET EFFECT OF WHAT THAT'S GONNA SAY YET.

SO THIS, THIS IS GONNA, JUST TO BE CLEAR, MY, MY MOTION HAS BEEN MODIFIED TO EXCLUDE THE SHERIFF AND THE CONSTABLES.

SO THE MOTION ONLY APPLIES TO ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO ARE NOT A GUN AND BADGE.

SO IT WOULD NOT APPLY TO CONSTABLES AND IT WOULD NOT APPLY TO THE SHERIFF.

SO Y'ALL STILL ADDRESS CONSTABLES AND SHERIFF PHRASE, THOSE WOULD HAVE TO BE HANDLED SEPARATELY.

SURE.

I JUST FEEL STRONGLY THAT US AS LEADERS, IF WE'RE GONNA PUT THAT IN FRONT OF THE TAXPAYER, WE CAN PUT OUR, YOU CAN MONEY, YOU CAN DONATE SOME OF YOUR PAY TO SOMEBODY.

TO YOUR POINT, OR I, I'M REALLY JUST TRYING TO TARGET US UP HERE.

UNDERST, I FEEL LIKE I UNDERST US AS LEADERS.

OKAY? LIKE I HAVE LILA, I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST YOU AT ALL.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT THAT.

THIS, IF I, MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE MADE THE MOTION TO APPLY ONLY TO COMMISSIONER'S COURT.

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THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DESERVE.

I GUESS TRYING TO DONATE IT BACK TO THE TAXPAYER POCKET.

I GUESS THE NORMAL DEAL IS THAT, UH, IF YOU, IF THERE IS, IF, IF, IF THIS VOTE WERE TO FAIL AND THEN WE, WE VOTE SOMETHING THAT GIVES US A, A SLIGHT RAISE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE IT MS. TELLING YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THAT RAISE.

YOU CAN, YOU CAN GIVE IT BACK AND SAY, LEAVE MY SALARY THE SAME.

YOU CAN DONATE IT BACK.

THE PRICE OF BEER AND FOOD NOWADAYS IS PRETTY HIGH.

I THINK WE'RE JUST DIGGING A DEEPER HOLE IF WE DO THAT.

SO THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION.

IT, IT, IT TO ME, IF YOU WANT ME TO, I'LL START MAKING A LIST OF THE PEOPLE THAT MAKE MORE THAN THAN COMMISSIONERS DO.

AND IT'S A PRETTY EXTENSIVE LIST RIGHT HERE.

I THINK WITH ALL RESPECT, I THE POINT'S WELL TAKEN THAT THERE'S A DISPARITY.

MY POINT IS, WITH ALL THE INTENTIONS THAT ARE GOOD HERE, THAT DISPARITY MY POINT IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WILL CONTINUE TO GROW IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING CORRECT, SO, WELL, WE KNOW THAT WE'RE READY, BUT WE HAVE A MOTION THAT SECOND ON THE FLOOR, I SAY WE TAKE THIS TO A VOTE AND THEN WE GO FROM THERE.

ANY, IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? AGAIN, I'M JUST TRYING TO MOVE ON.

NO, I, I UNDERSTAND.

ALL IN FAVOR, MOTION FAILS FOUR TO ONE.

AND THAT THEIR, THEIR, UH, IN RELATION TO THE OTHERS, THAT THEIR PERCENTAGE INCREASE FOR THOSE FOUR JPS AND THE FOUR CONSTABLES, UH, BE SET AT THE 5% LEVEL TO TRY TO BRING THEM UP.

DO I HAVE ANY OTHER MOTIONS? ANY OTHER CONSIDERATIONS? WELL, I WANNA SAY THIS, UH, THE, UH, WE CAN LEAD IN OTHER WAYS IN, IN SAVING MONEY.

IT, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE BY GIVING UP SALARY.

AND I DIDN'T MEAN ANYTHING PERSONALLY WHEN I SAID YOU CAN GIVE IT BACK IF THERE WAS A DEAL IN THERE.

BUT, BUT, UH, I'M SITTING HERE LOOKING AT, AT WHERE THINGS SIT, WHERE THINGS SIT IN, IN CORRELATION AND TRYING TO CORRELATE THE JOBS WITH THE SALARIES, WITH THE RESPONSIBILITIES.

AND THERE'S NOT A WAY IN HECK OF DOING THAT.

UH, WE, WE ARE SITTING HERE EVERY YEAR THE SAME SITUATION.

WE'RE SITTING HERE TRYING TO DECIDE.

AND YOU'RE NOT THE FIRST ONE THAT'S MADE A MOTION LIKE THAT FOR, FOR DIFFERENT REASON, BUT NOT FOR THE BOND REASON, BUT FOR OTHER REASONS THAT, THAT, THAT HAS COME UP BEFORE.

WE SHOULD LEAD BY EXAMPLE AND EVERYTHING.

BUT, BUT, UM, TRYING TO KEEP EVERYTHING IN ORDER SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE SALARY GRIEVANCE COME UP ALL THE TIME.

AND, UH, AND I, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT I'VE BEEN TOLD BY NUMEROUS PEOPLE, WELL IF THAT HAPPENS, THEN I'M, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA GO TO SALARY, SALARY GRIEVANCE.

AND, AND HERE ARE THE REASONS WHY THESE, UH, APPOINTED SALARIES OF SOME OF THESE PEOPLE.

OR WHEN I LOOK AT IT, IT TURNS UP BEING MORE THAN MINE.

YOU KNOW? AND, AND SO HERE'S HOW I HAVE, AND, AND WE, WE TALKED PREVIOUSLY ABOUT HAVING SOMETHING THAT WOULD RELATE TO, UH, LONGEVITY OR YEARS IN OFFICE.

AND SO, UH, IT, IT'S HARD TO INCLUDE EVERYBODY THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE, BUT WE HAVE THE, UH, DISTRICT JUDGES WHO, UH, ARE TELL US WHAT THE SALARIES ARE GOING TO BE FOR DIFFERENT FOLKS THAT THEY HAVE THAT COME UNDER THEIR JURISDICTION.

AND, UH, SO MY MOTION IS AN ATTEMPT TO HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE, OTHER THAN US SITTING HERE EVERY YEAR WORRYING ABOUT HOW WE'RE GONNA SET OUR SALARY AND WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE.

UH, BECAUSE THE DISTRICT JUDGES ARE SITTING THERE SETTING SALARIES FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE, THAT FALL UNDER THEM.

AND GOOD, BAD OR INDIFFERENT.

IT'S NOT ME.

IT'S NOT US.

AND, UH, SO MY PROPOSAL IS, AND MY MOTION IS THAT FOR THE COMMISSIONERS OF PRECINCTS ONE THROUGH FOUR, THE DISTRICT CLERK, THE COUNTY CLERK, THE TREASURER, AND THE SHERIFF, THAT THEIR SALARIES BE SET AT THE LEVEL OF THE COUNTY AUDITOR.

IF THEY'VE BEEN IN OFFICE FOR FOUR, UH, 10 YEARS OR MORE, IF THEY'VE BEEN IN OFFICE FOR LESS UP TO LESS THAN 10 YEARS, THEN THEY WOULD FALL UNDER ANOTHER CATEGORY.

AND THAT'D BE THE SAME AS PURCHASING.

AND, UH, THEN THAT OMITS SEVERAL OTHER OFFICES HERE, UH, THE JP ONE THROUGH FOUR AND THE CONSTABLE ONE THROUGH FOUR.

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4% WON'T DO IT.

IT TAKES 5% TO GET THERE.

AND SO THAT WOULD, UH, THAT WOULD HAVE, THAT WOULD TAKES US OUT OF THE SALARY BUSINESS.

AND IT GETS US WHERE THAT'S AN, AN ANNUAL THING TO BE LOOKED AT, OF COURSE.

BUT THAT'S WHAT MY MOTION IS.

I KNOW THAT WAS A LENGTHY MOTION MOTION, BUT CAN YOU JUST, THE FIRST COUPLE OF SENTENCES YOU SAID, I DIDN'T, THE, THE, THESE, THESE OFFICES RIGHT HERE.

COMMISSIONER ONE THROUGH FOUR, DISTRICT CLERK, COUNTY CLERK TREASURER.

SHERIFF, IF YOU'VE BEEN IN OFFICE MORE THAN 10 YEARS, YOUR SALARY'S GONNA BE THE SAME AS THE AUDITOR.

YOU'VE BEEN IN OFFICE LESS THAN 10 UP TO 10 YEARS.

IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME AS PURCHASING.

AND THEN THAT OMITS FOLKS LIKE, UH, THE COUNTY JUDGE BECAUSE OF THE INCREASE THAT YOU GOT IN, IN KEEPING IT IN, IN LINE THERE.

UH, BUT THESE PEOPLE ARE LEFT BEHIND OVER HERE, JP ONE THROUGH FOUR AND CONSTABLE ONE THROUGH FOUR, AND THEIR INCREASE BE 5%.

UH, OH.

I JUST ONE COMMENT.

'CAUSE WE HAVE A MOTION MOTION BY YOURSELF AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CONLEY.

THE DAY WILL COME TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THE COUNTY JUDGE WILL, UH, LOSE THAT SUBSIDY WITHOUT, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA MOVE WITHOUT A DOUBT, TO A STATUTORY JUDGE, WHICH IT, IT, IT'S A DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD BECAUSE IT'LL COST THE COUNTY MORE MONEY FOR A STATUTORY JUDGE, BUT THEN THAT'S THE GROWTH THAT'S HAPPENING AND IT'S GONNA HAPPEN QUICKLY.

UH, SO THEN I WOULD ASK AT THAT POINT THAT, THAT BE BASED WITHOUT A DOUBT.

YEAH, NO, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.

BUT BECAUSE IN LIGHT OF THE SITUATION, THIS RIGHT.

UH, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE SIGN OF BEFORE WE VOTE? YEAH, TWO, TWO QUICK QUESTIONS.

UM, I ASSUME YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SALARY PIECE ONLY, SO THINGS LIKE CELL PHONE ALLOWANCE, ET CETERA, ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THAT.

NOT INCLUDED.

AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION IS, IF WE TIE IT TO AN APPOINTED POSITION, LIKE AN AUDITOR OR A PURCHASING AGENT, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN, UM, LET'S SAY BRIANNA AND YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THIS, DECIDES TO GO WORK IN THE PRIVATE WORLD AND MAKE FOUR TIMES AS MUCH MONEY, AND WE HIRE SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T HAVE BRIANNA'S EXPERIENCE, WHAT HAPPENS THEN? OR IT DON'T HAVE TO BE REVISITED.

I'M JUST, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THINGS BACK IN LINE FOR HOW THEY SHOULD BE.

RIGHT NOW.

I'M READY TO VOTE.

I DON'T, I DON'T MEAN TO DELAY THIS.

IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? BECKY, YOU HAVE SOMETHING? I, I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

WHEN YOU NAMED THE FOUR COUNTYWIDE OFFICES, THE COUNTY CLERK, THE DISTRICT CLERK, THE TREASURER, YOU'D LEFT OUT THE TAX ASSESSOR.

WAS THAT, OH, I'M SORRY.

IT'S ON MY LIST TAX STATEMENT AS WELL.

SO JUST TO BE CLEAR THOUGH, I MEAN, I KNOW YOU NAMED ME, I HAVE WORKED HERE LONGER THAN 10 YEARS.

I HAVE NOT BEEN IN OFFICE 10 YEARS, SO I WOULD FALL TO THE SECOND.

PERFECT.

HEY, IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE ITEM? YEAH, SO THE SECOND ONE, I'M TAKING A PAY CUT.

DO WHAT? ON, ON THIS, ON THIS BOAT RIGHT HERE.

THEN I'M TAKING A PAY CUT.

NO, HOW DO YOU FIGURE THAT? I'M TRYING TO SEE IT HERE.

NO, I THINK YOU, YOU HAVEN'T RECEIVED IT YET, BUT WE KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS.

I GAVE EACH OF YOU A COPY OF THE APPROVED BUDGET FOR THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT.

THAT NUMBER'S IN THERE.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT I WAS ON THE RIGHT PAGE.

AGAIN, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION CARRIES FOUR.

OH, UH, FOUR ONE.

I'M SORRY.

I BET WE COULD DO ROAD AND BRIDGE ALLOCATION.

WHAT ABOUT, YEAH.

WHAT ABOUT THE, WHAT ABOUT THE FOLKS WHO HAVEN'T BEEN ADDRESSED YET? LIKE I SEE A CONSTABLE IN THE BACK.

I ADDRESSED THOSE.

IT WAS IN THE MOTION.

ARE THEY ON THE PURCHASING AGENT? 5%? NO, THEY'RE, THEY'RE 5% ABOVE WHERE THEY ARE RIGHT NOW.

AND WHAT WAS THE LIST OF THOSE? THAT WAS, THAT WOULD BE THE CONSTABLE ONE THROUGH FOUR AND JP ONE THROUGH FOUR.

SO I SHOW COMMISSIONERS, DISTRICT CLERK, COUNTY CLERK, TAX ASSESSOR, TREASURER, SHERIFF, THAT'S ON THE MAIN PART OF YOUR TWO PART MM-HMM .

AND THEN THE SECOND ONE, CONSTABLES AND JPS.

5%.

UM, TO MOVE ON, WE WILL MOVE

SO WE DON'T NEED TO ADDRESS THE COUNTY COURT AT LAW DISTRICT JUDGE.

NO, THEY'RE ALREADY SET.

WE DON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.

THOSE, THOSE, THOSE ARE THE REASONS WHY WE NEED THIS INCREASE IS IT'S SET AS SIGNIFICANT INCREASE THAT THEY GOT.

MINE IS SET AS OF TODAY, BUT IT'S A DIFFERENT, IT'S A DIFFERENT SITUATION THAN WHAT THE, UH, THE OTHERS ARE.

SO,

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[III.C. Road & Bridge Allocation. (Brianna Fowler/ Judge Deen)]

TO NUMBER THREE ON ROAD AND BRIDGE ALLOCATION.

I'M GONNA MOVE THAT WE, UH, LEAVE THE ALLOCATION THE SAME AS IT WAS, UH, LAST YEAR.

AND, UH, I, I, I'M AT A LOSS FOR HOW MUCH WE ADDED TO IT THERE, BUT I'M GONNA RESERVE THE RIGHT TO COME BACK LATER.

UH, WHEN WE FINALIZE THE VERY LAST THING AND SEE, BECAUSE WE MIGHT, WE, WE CAN, WE, WE BROUGHT MONEY IN FROM GENERAL FUND TO PUT IN ROAD, ROAD AND BRIDGE.

AND, UH, I WANT THE, THE FORMULA, I'M VOTING ON THE FORMULA RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S WHAT MY MOTION IS.

AND THEN WE'LL LOOK AT THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADD SOME ADDITIONAL MONEY ON DOWN THE ROAD.

MOTION IS MADE BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HOLT.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON SODOM? THAT, UH, FORMULA IS VERY FLAWED AND, UH, SOMEDAY WE NEED TO CHANGE THAT WHEN I GET SOME MORE VOTES.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT.

YEAH, JUST THOUGHT I'D THROW THAT IN THERE.

ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION CARRIES THREE TO TWO.

UM, LARRY, YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT? NO.

WE'LL, WE, I, WE WANT TO VISIT THAT, THAT WAS TO THE FORMULA FOR THE DISTRIBUTION, BUT, UH, AT THE VERY END WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE OPPORTUNITY OR THE POSSIBILITY OF TAKING SOME MONEY FROM GENERAL AND PUTTING IN OUR BUDGETS.

I, AGAIN, I Y'ALL DON'T VOTE ON PROBATE OR MENTAL HEARINGS OR ANY OF THAT STUFF, BUT IN ROAD AND BRIDGE IS Y'ALL'S BAILIWICK.

THAT'S Y'ALL'S DEAL.

UM, I'M HERE TO SUPPORT Y'ALL.

EVERYBODY THAT CAN, I JUST WOULD.

UM, WE, WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST.

IT WAS A NECESSITY BECAUSE OF THE CONDITION BY ROADS.

AND I'M THE, I'M JUST THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN THAT.

UM, I, I, I'LL GO BACK.

I'M GOING TO JUST GO BACK TO GEORGIA.

I KNOW YOU'RE MAD AT ME OVER THERE, SO I'M GONNA JUST GO LIGHTLY HERE.

BUT, UM, BUT WITH ALL THE GROWTH THAT'S HAPPENED AND IT'S HAPPENING EVERYWHERE, IT'S THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.

COUNTY'S IN PRECINCT TWO, THREE AND ONE FOUR.

AND UM, BUT I HAVE SEEN YOUR ROADS, YOU HAVE OVER A HUNDRED SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE PROBABLY NOW COMPLETE TO AT LEAST A PERCENTAGE OF THOSE.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME, SOME SUPPORT BEING PUSHED THAT WAY, EITHER OUT OF ABOUT FUND BALANCE OR SOMETHING.

BUT HE DOES NEED A FEW DOLLARS MORE.

THAT THAT'S WHAT OUR PLAN IS.

UM, AND, AND TO LOOK AT, UH, HOW THINGS ARE.

DOES ANYBODY KNOW THE CURRENT MIX ON CURRENT PRICE ON HOT MIX? 'CAUSE THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT PRICE INCREASE BACK.

JACOB, DO YOU HAVE THAT ON THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD? I THINK HALE HAD IT.

IT IS SIGNIFICANT.

INCREASE EVERYTHING THAT WE BUY.

42%.

JUST, JUST IN JESUS, THE HOT MIX, YOU KNOW.

SO EVERYTHING THAT WE BUY IS MORE EXPENSIVE, JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE YOU BUY GOT BOUGHT OUT.

THAT WAS, THAT WAS TOO QUICK.

I WAS, I WELL, JUDGE, I'M, WHAT ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT? ROAD BRIDGE.

I NEED Y'ALL TO REVISIT ELECTED.

WHAT? YEAH, WE'RE ON ROAD AND BRIDGE.

ELECTED BEFORE WE ADJOURN.

I JUST NEED YOU TO REVISIT

[II.E. Discuss/Vote on Proposed Elected Officials Salaries. (Becky McCullough I Judge Deen) (Part 2 of 3)]

C COME ON.

WELL, WILL YOU OPEN THAT BACK UP? COME ON UP.

UM, HE DOESN'T WANT TO HEAR WHAT I GOTTA SAY.

NOW I'M TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM THAT.

I JUST NEED TO BE CLEAR ON THE POSITIONS OF COUNTY JUDGE.

HIS SUPPLEMENT INCREASE IS 9,450.

NO, NO, NO.

THAT'S NOT WHAT THE LETTER TOLD ME.

IT WAS SIX.

YOU'RE GOING FROM 25,000 TO 34.

650.

I HAVE A COPY OF THE LETTER.

LET'S JUST GET TOGETHER OFFLINE.

BECAUSE THAT'S, UM, SO THE QUESTION IS FOR WHERE DID HE FIT INTO THE INCREASE? I'M NOT IN IT.

ASK ME WHERE HE FITS IN THERE.

NO, I'M NOT ASKING YOU ANYTHING.

SO FOR THE TWO DISTRICT JUDGES, THEIR SUPPLEMENTS WILL GO TO 25,000 FOR CCL ONE, HIS SALARY WILL GO TO 1 99.

FOR CCL TWO IT WILL GO TO 2 34.

SO TYPICALLY ANYTIME IF THERE HAS BEEN A COLA, SOMETIMES Y'ALL, Y'ALL HAVE ALWAYS GIVEN A PERCENTAGE ON TOP OF THOSE INCREASES.

I JUST NEED TO KNOW, ARE Y'ALL GONNA DO THAT? NOT PART OF THE MOTION.

SO THOSE WILL STAND.

UM, AND WAS THE COUNTY ATTORNEY INCLUDED? NOT A PART OF THE MOTION.

AND DID THE SHERIFF FALL IN 5%? THE SHERIFF? YES.

SHERIFF IS IN THE, THE FIRST TIER.

OKAY, SO GOES UP TO THE ONE.

SO I HAD SOME NUMBERS PULLED ON THE ROAD AND BRIDGE BACK TO THAT GEORGE.

AREAS BY PRECINCT ARE PRECINCT ONE 1010, PRECINCT THREE 1016, PRECINCT FOUR, THREE HUNDRED AND FIFTY FOUR.

I HAD SOME NUMBERS PULLED FROM THE HOSPITAL OR FROM THE, UH, APPRAISAL DISTRICT.

AND IN THE LAST YEAR, THE NUMBER OF NEW HOME SITES THAT ARE IN THE UNINCORPORATED

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AND UNFORTUNATELY COMING IN FIRST IS PRECINCT TWO WITH 1,219.

SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU DESERVE THAT? NO, I THINK WHAT HE'S SAYING IS THAT THE, HANG ON.

YEAH, I AM .

THERE'S, THERE'S A BLESS GEORGE'S HEART, BUT WE ALL NEED THE EXTRA MONEY THAT WE CAN DRAW, PULL OUT IS WHAT I WAS WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.

WELL, THAT'S NOT A SLIDE ON COMMISSIONER HALE WITH PRECINCT FOUR.

WAY DOWN IN HOLE WITH HIS, BECAUSE I THINK WE ALL, I, I DON'T THINK ANY OF THE OTHER THREE OF US WANNA BE IN HIS SHOES.

THAT'S HOW WE GET INTO THE, THAT'S HOW IS THE TAXES COLLECTED ON FOUR? THIS IS COUNT OF NEW HOME SITES IS WHAT I WAS NO UNDERSTAND GIVING YOU, I'M JUST SAYING THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC COLLECTED, TRAFFIC TRAFFIC AND, AND THE AMOUNT OF, OF, UH, NON-RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION OVER THERE IN FOUR, THAT, THAT FORMULA IS, IS VERY FLAWED.

HE'LL CATCH UP NEXT TIME WITH THE STUFF DOWN.

3 77.

AND MR. SIR, CAN I ASK YOU, UM, YOU TALKED ABOUT BRINGING ADDITIONAL FUNDS INTO EACH PRECINCT.

WHEN, WHEN DO YOU WANNA DO THAT? UH, THE VERY LAST.

NOT TODAY.

AND I THINK THE WAY TO APPROACH THIS, I, WE'VE ADDRESSED JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING HERE UNLESS I'M MISSING SOMETHING.

DID WE COVER THE SOURS AND BENEFITS FROM PRECINCTS WE ALREADY HAVE ALREADY? I THOUGHT SO.

IS THERE ANYTHING HERE WE HAVEN'T COVERED OR WANT TO ADDRESS? BECAUSE IT, WHAT I LOOK AT, WE'VE COVERED THEM ALREADY.

BRIANNA, KIM, BECKY, Y'ALL ARE OUR BRAINS ON THIS.

BIANCA, YOU AS WELL.

WAS THERE ANYTHING WE'RE MISSING OR ARE WE HOLDING OFF? SO LET ME, LET ME ASK A QUESTION.

SORRY.

UM, WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVE IN COURT TOMORROW.

WE NEED TO HAVE MORNING.

COME MORNING.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS HEARING.

THAT'S THE REASON I SAID THAT MOORING IS GONNA BE HERE TOMORROW.

THEY CORRECT? YES.

THEY'RE WHAT TIME? NINE O'CLOCK.

SO MOOR'S GONNA BE HERE IN THE MORNING AT NINE.

I DON'T GIVE EVERY THE DUST.

LET THE DUST SETTLE HERE.

WE'VE GOT A FEW MORE THINGS TO, TO LOOK ABOUT HERE.

KIM, YOU SAY IN CAP AND NON CAP ITEMS OVER HERE? UH, WE HAVEN'T MADE A DECISION ON, UH, THE, THE JUVENILE BOARD JUDGE.

WE HAVEN'T MADE A DECISION ON THAT.

IF, IF, I'M SORRY, WHICH ONE? IF WE'RE GONNA PURSUE, UH, A DIFFERENT LOCATION FOR THE JUVENILE FOLKS, WE HAVEN'T MADE A DECISION ON THAT.

UM, THAT'S THE, IT'S LOT TO DIGEST AND THEY IDEA WITH THAT.

UH, WE HAVEN'T MADE A DECISION ON SOME OTHER STUFF TOO.

PROBABLY, PROBABLY ANOTHER COUPLE OF CLEANUP ITEMS. BUT WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA GET INFORMATION FROM MORNING IN THE MORNING AND, UH, I GUESS WE CAN CLEAN UP WHATEVER'S LEFT THEN.

RICH, YOU HAVE SOMETHING? YEAH.

SO THAT WOULD MEAN THAT RECESS AT A RECONVENE TOMORROW AT NINE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'D LIKE.

BUT THERE IS NO NEW COURT SESSION TOMORROW.

RIGHT? SO IT WOULD BE CONTINUATION.

IT WOULD JUST BE A CONTINUATION.

WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS HEARING THAT WE'RE GONNA BE HERE ANYHOW.

LET'S, LET'S, LET'S DO A CLEANUP DEAL AND WE CAN MAKE A DECISION WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH THE JUVENILE FACILITY AND, UH, I GUESS ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S ON THE LIST HERE AT, AT WHAT POINT, UM, AND I KNOW Y'ALL HAVE A LOT ON Y'ALL'S PLATES.

AT WHAT POINT BETWEEN BECKY, KIM, BIANCA AND BRIANNA, DO Y'ALL THINK Y'ALL COULD HAVE A KIND OF UPDATED, HERE'S OUR SPEND, HERE'S THE PROJECTED PULL FROM IT HASN'T CHANGED, I DON'T THINK.

YEAH, I DON'T THINK YOURS HAS CHANGED REALLY ON THE TAHOE FOR, UM, CONS.

YEAH, WE HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT CONSTABLE VEHICLE.

YEAH, WE HAD A REQUEST IN HERE ON OUR VEHICLE FOR THREE AND SOME OTHER THINGS WE'RE GONNA, DAMN.

AND THEN I THINK BECKY'S HAS CHANGED SOME, THERE'S STILL SOME DRONE STUFF ON THERE TOO THAT Y'ALL WERE GONNA, WE WERE GONNA LEAVE THAT UNDER CONTINGENCY SO THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE ANY DRONE DECISIONS BEFORE THE BUDGET ROLLS OVER.

WE'VE GOTTA COME UP WITH OUR PROCEDURES TOWER, PRO TOWER, UH, THE TOWER'S.

ONE OF THE LAST BIG THINGS I THINK WE'VE GOTTA MAKE A DECISION ON, RIGHT? AND THE PROGRAM CONTINGENCIES THAT THE AMOUNT TO BE LEFT IN PROGRAM CONTINGENCIES FOR THE, AND, WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF ITEMS. FIRE MARSHAL, SO WHATEVER.

WHAT'S THE NUMBER ON THAT TOWER OR THOSE, THOSE TWO TOWERS, RIGHT? 3.8.

DID Y'ALL HAVE A, A NUMBER ON THAT FOR THE TWO TOWERS? I BELIEVE IT WAS 3.8.

IS THAT RIGHT? 3.8.

BUT REMEMBER, THAT'S THE BARE BONES OF

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THE TOWER ONLY.

THAT'S ANOTHER 500,000 TO FLUSH IT OUT.

I, THAT'S JUST THE TOWER.

AN IDEA OF, BUT TALK ABOUT THEM.

TOMORROW.

ANYTHING ELSE? WE'RE GONNA RECONVENE IN THE MORNING AT NINES AT THE, THAT'S, THAT'S THE SITUATION.

OKAY, SO WE'RE GONNA RECORD, SHOW, RECONVENE.

UH, WE'RE GONNA RECESS AT 3 46 AND RECONVENE TOMORROW AT 9:00 AM 9:00 AM SO THANK YOU ALL.

WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED WITH THE PARKER COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT AGENDA.

WE'RE GONNA SHOW IT IS 9 0 6 ON MONDAY, AUGUST 25TH, 2025.

UH, WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO DISCUSS, CONSIDER, ACT UPON THE FOLLOWING AGENDA ITEMS UNDER ITEM ONE, DISCUSS, APPROVE THE UPON.

SORRY.

THAT'S, IS THIS THE SAME RICH? YEP.

DISCUSS, APPROVE UPON RESOLUTION OF INTENT ON THAT, YOU HAVE THESE UPDATES HERE.

ARE THEY UP HERE ANYWHERE? RICH? ARE THESE UPDATED? WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.

[II.A. Present/Discuss/Approve General Fund Budget for FY2025-2026. (Judge Deen) (Part 2 of 2)]

ON THE PRESENT.

DISCUSS APPROVED GENERAL FUND BUDGET FOR 20 25, 26.

UNDER ITEM A PRESENT DISCUSS APPROVED GENERAL FUND BUDGET.

IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO ADD TO THIS BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD? GOOD MORNING.

UM, JUST THE CHANGES THAT WERE APPROVED YESTERDAY, UM, THE COLA 4% FOR FULL-TIME AND PART-TIME EMPLOYEES TOTAL WAS $965,000.

NEXT ARE THE COMMISSIONED PAY SCALE FOR $610,619.

YOU HAVE NON-COMMISSIONED PAY SCALE 168,150 AND ELECTED OFFICIAL RAISES, WHICH ARE 332,166.

THE SALARY ADJUSTMENTS TOTAL, UM, TWO $2,915,028.

JUDGE, WOULD THIS BE THE RIGHT TIME TO ASK A COLA QUESTION? UH, BIANCA AND MS. BECKY? MM-HMM .

UM, QUESTION FOR Y'ALL.

ARE THERE ANY SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES THAT ARE GOING TO GET LESS THAN 4% NET COUNTING THE STEP GRADE IN THE YEAR INCREASE, SIR? NOT SURE WHEN IS THE LAST DAY THAT WE CAN ADJUST THAT.

UM, I MEAN, THE ONLY THING THAT REALLY HAS TO BE LIKE SET IN STONE TODAY IS, IS ELECTED OFFICIAL SALARIES.

SO I'LL JUST CUT TO THE QUICK OF IT.

UM, Y'ALL HEARD MY MOTION YESTERDAY REGARDING ELECTED OFFICIAL SALARIES EXCLUDING CONSTABLES AND EXCLUDING THE SHERIFF.

UM, YOU SAW HOW I VOTED.

I'M VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH ELECTED OFFICIALS GETTING A SALARY INCREASE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.

PERIOD.

THAT BEING SAID, I'M EVEN MORE UNCOMFORTABLE IF WE HAVE FOLKS WHO ARE CARRYING A GUN AND A BADGE SERVING US THAT ARE GETTING LESS THAN THE COLA THAT THE REST OF OUR EMPLOYEES ARE GETTING.

SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE IS WHAT THE COST WOULD BE FOR THOSE WHO ARE GETTING LESS THAN 4% TO ACTUALLY GET 4% FOR THE YEAR OVER YEAR FOR THOSE DEPUTIES TO ACTUALLY BE BROUGHT UP BY A MINIMUM OF 4%.

SO KEEP THE SAME STEPPING GRADE, BUT IF I WAS READING IT RIGHT THERE, GUYS WHO ARE ON THE STREET DRIVING AROUND IN PATROL CARS THAT I THINK ARE GETTING 2.1%, I'D ASK THE, THE SHERIFF OR THE CHIEF DEPUTY TO ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE WE WERE PRESENTED THAT STEP IN GRADE AS A, SO THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE DOING THINGS LIKE THIS.

HAVE IS IF WE HAVE ENOUGH PIE FOR THE COMMISSIONERS TO GET MINIMUM $15,000 RAISES, WHICH IS WILD IN MY OPINION BECAUSE IT'S, WE'RE ALREADY WAY HIGHER THAN ANY OTHER COUNTY OUR SIZE THAT I'M AWARE OF ANY OTHER SIMILAR COUNTY.

WHEN, WHEN YOU DECOMPRESS THE SCHEDULE.

YEAH, THE, THE STARTING DEPUTIES AT THAT LOWER END, THEY WILL BE MAKING LESS AS AS WE TRY TO DECOMPRESS, BUT THEN THEY HAVE THOSE OTHER STEPS TO LOOK FORWARD TO AS THEY GROW AND STAY HERE AND DEVELOP AND GET AND MOVE INTO THOSE SLOTS.

THAT WAS PART OF, OF THE WHOLE PLAN.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND I AM NOT LAW ENFORCEMENT.

I'M NOT GONNA PRETEND TO BE LAW ENFORCEMENT.

THERE'S GONNA BE PLENTY OF THINGS THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT WORLD BECAUSE I'M NOT, I I HAVEN'T SERVED IN THAT WAY, BUT THERE'S A PART OF ME, IF I CAN JUST BE DIRECT, THAT SAYS, LOOKING FORWARD TO FUTURE STEPS DOESN'T HELP WITH TODAY'S GROCERIES.

AND SO THE CHALLENGE THAT I

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UM, IF THERE'S ENOUGH FOR THAT, THEN HOW IS THERE NOT ENOUGH FOR OUR GUYS WHO ARE ON THE STREET PROTECTING OUR PEOPLE, SHOWING UP TO HAVE AT LEAST 4% WHEN WE'RE GETTING THE REST OF THE INVOICE? WELL, THAT'S HIS PRECISION.

WELL, I THINK IT'S ALSO OURS THOUGH.

I THINK THE DEPARTMENT, WE ASKED THE DEPARTMENT HEAD TO GIVE US A, A SCHEDULE AND WE PASSED IT AND IT COSTS LOTS OF MONEY.

AND, UH, I IF, IF WE START CHANGING THAT, ARE WE NOT ADHERING TO WHAT WAS ASKED FOR BY THE DEPARTMENT HEAD IN ORDER TO, TO, TO, I GUESS, I GUESS MAKE IT RIGHT FOR, IN MY MIND, WE'D HAVE TO ELEVATE THE ENTIRE THING.

UH, OUR STARTING PAY IS VERY, VERY GOOD.

THE, THE, THE NEW GUYS THAT ARE THERE WALK IN OUR DOOR.

WE ARE MAKING MORE THAN ACROSS THE STREET AT WEATHERFORD.

SO THEY'RE MAKING A GOOD SALARY RIGHT OFF THE GET GO.

WELL, THEY MAY NOT GET AS MUCH RIGHT NOW.

AND THAT'S THE REASON THE STARTING PAY IS VERY, VERY GOOD.

IN FACT, IT'S EXCEPTIONAL.

IT'S JUST THAT'S WHEN WE START FLATTENING OUT THOUGH.

AND THAT'S WHAT I KEPT TRYING TO RAISE.

SO YES, THEY WON'T GET AS MUCH NOW, BUT THEY GOT A GOOD, GOOD PAY WALKING IN THE DOOR.

ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THE STEPPING GRADE PAY SCALE THAT WAS ADOPTED BY COURT YESTERDAY? VERY MUCH SO, YES.

SO THAT'S HIS DECISION.

NOT, NOT OURS.

TRUE.

BUT WE DO HAVE THE REQUIREMENT AND AUTHORITY TO APPROVE.

WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T CHEAT THEM OUT OF NOTHING.

WE GAVE HIM WHAT HE ASKED FOR AND HE SPREADS IT OUT.

I'M CERTAINLY NOT SUGGESTING ANYONE WAS CHEATED OUT OF ANYTHING.

WELL, I'M JUST A PHRASE.

NO, I I HEAR YOU.

BUT YEAH, I'M CERTAINLY NOT SUGGESTING THAT.

AND HE SAYS THAT THEY START OFF HIGHER THAN MOST, SO VERY, VERY GOOD STARTING PAY.

PART OF THIS IS JUST ME LOOKING IN THE MIRROR AND LOOKING AT WHAT IS COMING TO COMMISSIONERS VERSUS GUYS WHO ARE PUTTING THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE.

AND THAT, THAT'S A TOUGH PILL TO SWALLOW.

WELL, I APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS IN THAT.

I REALLY DO.

AND I THINK IT'S COMING FROM YOUR HEART, BUT, UH, I'M VERY COMFORTABLE WITH, WITH WHAT Y'ALL DID YESTERDAY.

THANK YOU, JUDGE.

THAT'S, IT'S, IT'S CLEAR WHAT THE DIRECTION IS, SO I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT.

LET, EXCUSE ME.

CAN I STEP, TAKE A JUST A STEP BACK ON THAT AND JUST TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF A BREAK ON THAT PART OF IT.

UH, DO WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM BLACKMAN MOORE HERE? YEAH, MOORE.

UH, CAN WE GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS THAT NOW? UH, I MEAN, THEY COME AND I'M SURE THEY DON'T WANT TO HEAR ALL THIS.

UH, WE, WE'VE GOT BUSINESS TO DO, BUT WE NEED TO BE RESPECTFUL OF YOUR TIME HERE.

WOULD Y'ALL LIKE TO COME ON UP? SURE.

EVERYONE HAS A COPY, CORRECT? YEAH.

I GOT A QUESTION RIGHT OFF THE BAT OF, UH, WHAT'S THAT BUILDING ON THE FRONT OF THAT PAGE? THAT'S, UH, ARCHER COUNTY.

ARCHER COUNTY? YES, SIR.

WE DID SOME, UH, RESTORATION WORK OUT THERE A COUPLE YEARS AGO AND ALWAYS LIKED THE PICTURES .

UM, I WAS LOOKING AT THAT.

I WAS JUST WONDERING WHERE THAT WAS AT.

THEIR OFFICES WITH 'EM AND STUFF.

THAT'S A BIG OLD, THAT'S THE COURTHOUSE.

SO WE WERE ASKED TO, UH, PUT TOGETHER A PRELIMINARY BUDGET, UM, ON THE, THE BUILDING AT 1105 SANTA FE.

UM, WE WALKED IT ON FRIDAY.

UM, SO WE HAVEN'T HAD A GREAT DEAL OF TIME, BUT WE WERE ABLE TO WALK IT WITH, UH, ASHLEY AND COMMISSIONER AND, UH, ANOTHER JUDGE, JUDGE BERRY.

UM, AND SO WE, WE FEEL LIKE WE GOT A FAIRLY GOOD IDEA OF WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR.

UM, I FEEL LIKE THE BUDGET IS PRETTY INCLUSIVE OF THOSE ITEMS. UM, THE BIGGEST QUESTION IN OUR MIND IS HOW THE FINAL FLOOR PLAN IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE LAID OUT.

UH, SHE HAD GIVEN, ACTUALLY HAD GIVEN US SOME, UH, PARAMETERS OF TWO CONFERENCE ROOMS AND 15 OFFICES ALONG WITH THE TWO OPEN AREAS FOR THE CLASSROOMS OR CLASSROOM SPACE.

UM, THE EXISTING OFFICES, JUST TO MAKE Y'ALL AWARE, ARE PRETTY SMALL.

THEY'RE ABOUT NINE BY NINE, NINE BY 10 FROM THE ONES WE MEASURED.

UM, AND ASHLEY HAD MENTIONED THAT A LOT OF TIMES THEY, THEY HAVE FAMILIES SIT DOWN IN

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SO ALL THAT TO SAY, I DID NOT PRICE GUTTING THIS THING AND BUILDING OUT ALL NEW OFFICES.

I LEFT THE ONES THAT ARE THERE OR THERE AND SIMPLY ADDED A COUPLE MORE TO, TO SATISFY HER REQUIREMENTS.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S REALISTIC OR NOT.

I, I REALLY DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEIR SPACE NEEDS TO BE UTILIZED, BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE GROUND RULES OF, OF HOW WE CAME TO THE NUMBERS.

WE CAME TO, UM, ALL NEW FLOORING THROUGHOUT.

THERE ARE SIX SPLIT SYSTEMS, HVAC SYSTEMS IN THE BUILDING.

THE LANDLORD'S REP TOLD US EFFECTIVELY DON'T COUNT ON ANY OF 'EM WORKING.

SO WE PRICED TO REPLACE ALL SIX WITH ALL NEW DUCT WORK.

UM, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, WE PRICED DEMOING AND REPLACING THE CEILING, THE GRID AND TILE.

UM, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OLD, BUT IN ORDER TO GET TO THE DUCT WORK IN THE UNITS, IT WOULD JUST BE THE SIMPLEST AND THE FASTEST.

UM, SO THEY TOLD YOU THAT THE, THE AIR CONDITIONERS ARE NOT WORKING? YES, SIR.

THE LANDLORD'S REP WHO WAS THERE TO UNLOCK THE SPACE AND WALK US AROUND.

THESE ARE ONE THAT WAS HERE YESTERDAY.

SO, UM, LITTLE BIT OF DEMO, LITTLE BIT OF DRYWALL, UH, NEW FLOORING THROUGHOUT NEW PAINT THROUGHOUT NEW CEILING.

AND NEW HVAC IS THE, IS THE SHORT VERSION OF WHAT'S IN HERE IN THE BACK OF YOUR PACKET.

WELL, SORRY, I'VE GO TO THE, THE COST DRIVER.

SO THIS PAGE IS SHOWING THE, EVERYTHING ABOVE THE BLUE LINE REPRESENTS ROUGHLY 80% OF THE COST.

SO IF WE NEED TO MOVE THE NEEDLE SIGNIFICANTLY, THOSE ARE THE AREAS I WOULD FOCUS ON.

UM, CAN I ASK YOU, YOU MENTIONED THE CEILING BEING NEEDED TO BE REPLACED.

IS THERE WATER DAMAGE? IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO BE REPLACED, BUT IF WE'RE GONNA BE REPLACING ALL OF THE, SO ALL THE SPLIT SYSTEMS, ALL THE AIR HANDLERS ARE ABOVE THE GRID.

UM, SO THERE'S SIX AIR HANDLERS AND ALL THE DUCT WORK SUPPLY AND RETURN THAT'S RUNNING UP THERE.

IN OUR EXPERIENCE, IT'S A NIGHTMARE TO TRY TO TAKE APART PIECES OF THE CEILING GRID AND TILE JUST TO, BUT THERE'S NOT, WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THE WATER DAMAGE.

'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE THE ROOF.

NO, SIR.

I DIDN'T NOTICE ANY OF THAT.

I DIDN'T NOTICE ANY.

THAT'S WHAT I, NO, IT, THE, THIS, WHEN I SAY IT'S THE CEILING TILES ARE, EXCUSE ME, ARE A LITTLE BIT DISCOLORED.

UM, BUT NO, IT'S NOT FROM WATER.

IT'S JUST FROM USE.

IF IT'S, IF IT'S WORKABLE THE WAY IT IS OR IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO CHANGE.

, OF COURSE.

UM, SO THIS IS THE COST DRIVER.

AGAIN, THE, THE ITEMS ABOVE THE LINE ARE THE, ARE THE SIGNIFICANT PORTIONS OF THE BUDGET.

THE AREAS WHERE WE WOULD PROBABLY DIRECT YOUR FOCUS IF WE NEED TO ADJUST.

UM, BEHIND THAT IS THE BASIS OF COST.

THIS GIVES A A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL OF WHAT IS INCLUDED IN EACH LINE ITEM PRICE BY DIVISION.

UM, FOR INSTANCE, THE DEMO, THERE'S SOME FLOORING THAT'S STILL DOWN, NOT A LOT, BUT SOME, MOST OF THE GLUE IS STILL THERE.

SO IT ALL HAS TO BE SCRAPED AND, AND CLEANED UP TO BE READY FOR THE NEW FLOOR, UH, DEMO.

CERTAIN EXISTING WALLS, EVEN JUST MINIMUM, THE, THE SPACE RIGHT NOW IS ACTUALLY SPLIT INTO TWO SPACES.

UM, SO WE WOULD NEED A LITTLE BIT OF DEMO OF THE WALLS.

ANYTHING MORE THAN THAT IS GONNA BE Y'ALL'S DISCRETION TELLING US WHAT YOU WANT.

UM, DEMO GRID AND TILE CEILING, EXISTING FINISHES AND RESTROOMS IN THE LAB AREA.

THE, THE LAB AREA, AND I DON'T THINK I NOTED IT ON THE FLOOR PLAN, WHAT, WHAT IS A CURRENT LAB AREA NOW IS WHAT WOULD BECOME THE MIDDLE SCHOOL CLASSROOM.

IF YOU SEE THAT ON YOUR FLOOR PLAN, IT'S, RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST RINGED WITH CABINETS AND SHELVING AND STUFF.

UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S BASICALLY A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT'S IN HERE.

AND LIKE I SAID, I FEEL LIKE WE CAPTURED EVERYTHING IN THE COST, IN THE BUDGET.

UM, BUT IN PURE TRANSPARENCY THERE WERE, WE HAD ZERO HARD BIDS.

THIS IS A PRETTY QUICK TURNAROUND, SO IT'S ALL ESTIMATED COSTS.

SO PLEASE CONSIDER A GRAIN OF SALT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT .

BUT THAT SAID, WOULD YOU SAY THAT WOULD BE, UM, PROBABLY ON THE HIGH SIDE.

I WOULD THINK SO.

UM, I KNOW THE HVAC WE EDGED ON THE HIGHER SIDE.

UH, DEPENDING ON TONNAGE REQUIREMENTS.

I, I PROBABLY WENT A LITTLE BIT HIGH.

I THINK I DID 24 TONS.

UH, WHICH TYPICALLY IN A SETTING LIKE THIS, WE WOULD DO, WE WOULD EXPECT BETWEEN 350 TO 400 SQUARE FEET A TON.

I DID A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN THAT, UM, JUST TO BE SAFE.

UM, BUT IN GETTING SOME GUYS OUT THERE, GETTING A FLOORING GUY OUT THERE, A PAINT GUY OUT THERE, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF TO GET SOME HARD BIDS, I'M, I'M SURE WE COULD DRIVE IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT AT LEAST.

UM, AGAIN, MY CONCERN WAS MORE OF THE, THE OVERALL LAYOUT AND THE, THE EXISTING WALLS BEING WHERE THEY ARE.

UM, AND AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING FOR Y'ALL TO DECIDE

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AND IF SO, EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS.

UM, ALSO THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE, UH, ANY A AND E FEES ARCHITECT ENGINEERS.

UM, IF WE WERE TO SPITBALL THAT, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY SOMEWHERE IN THE $30,000 RANGE WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD EXPECT A AND E FEES TO COME IN AROUND.

UM, SO THAT WOULD PUT YOU AROUND FOUR 30 TOTAL IF, IF WE STUCK WITH THIS PLAN.

AND WE CAN EASILY BREAK DOWN AND OR ADJUST ANY OF THESE IF, BASED ON WHAT Y'ALL TELL US YOU WANT, WE, SOME OF IT WAS JUST KIND OF MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WAS WANTED AND HOW I WOULD GO ABOUT DOING IT .

SO THAT MAY NOT BE HOW Y'ALL WOULD GO ABOUT DOING IT, BUT WE HAD TO, WE HAD TO START SOMEWHERE, SO.

ANY QUESTIONS, ANY COMMENTS? IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

VERY DETAILED FOR THE TIME THAT YOU HAD.

DID, UH, DID Y'ALL GO UP ON THE ROOF OR DID YOU GO UP ON THE ROOF? I DID NOT.

THE, THE REP THAT WAS THERE, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT IT VERY BRIEFLY, BUT WE DID NOT GO UP THERE.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THE ACCESS WAS.

WAS IT OUTSIDE? UH, I DIDN'T SEE IT.

I WENT OUT BACK AND TRIED TO GET BACK AND LOOKED JUST TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING OBVIOUS, BUT IT WASN'T ON TOP OF THE ROOF.

THERE WAS A LOT OF TILES TAKEN DOWN MM-HMM .

SO I WALKED AROUND AND LOOKED, YOU KNOW, FOR ANY WATER LEAKING SPOTS AND I DIDN'T SEE ANY UNDERNEATH GRID DECKING.

GOTCHA.

BUT I WAS LOOKING UP THROUGH THE, YOU KNOW, THE GRID.

OH.

AND, AND LIKE YOU SAID, WE DIDN'T, I DIDN'T NOTICE ANY, ANY WATER STAINS ON ANY OF THE CEILING TILES OR ANYTHING, SO THAT'S A GOOD SIGN.

THE REASON I ASK ABOUT THE ROOF WAS IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD A LOT OF ROOF PROBLEMS. SEE THAT? IS IT A BUILT UP ROOF OR IS IT A METAL ROOF, YOU THINK? NO, I BELIEVE IT IS ALL METAL.

IT'S BUILT, THE, THE, UH, BUILDING IS KIND OF BUILT LIKE METAL BUILDING LAID DOWN.

IT'S GOT THAT, BUT ON THE OUTSIDE TOP IT'S LIKE A TPO ROOF, IT SLS TO THE, UH, NORTH MM-HMM .

IT KIND OF HAS PARAPET WALLS YEAH.

THAT STICK UP ABOVE THE ROOF LINE ON THE KIND OF THE STREET FACING, YOU KNOW, IT GIVES IT THAT TALLER MORE, YEAH.

MORE PRESENCE.

UM, THIS MAY BE A QUES QUESTION FOR BECKY.

UM, THIS COURT'S BEEN GIVEN VERY LITTLE NOTICE ON THIS SITUATION THAT WAS IDENTIFIED WITH THIS BUILDING THAT COULD BE A SOLUTION FOR THE JUDGE.

P AND THEN ALSO THE, UM, SITUATION WE HAVE WITH A JUVENILE BOARD BUILDING.

UM, IT'S PRETTY HARD TO MAKE A DECISION LIKE THIS IN A VACUUM.

UM, BECAUSE IT COMES BACK TO WHAT THE INTEREST LEVEL OF THE COURT IS ON ACQUISITION OF THE BUILDING OR A LEASE OF THE BUILDING.

UH, I THINK I, AGAIN, I'M SPEAK FOR Y'ALL, BUT I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME DI DIGESTION OF, OF THE INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED, WHAT THE COST IS.

I THINK IT'S OBVIOUSLY, IF ANYTHING WITH, WITH GIVEN WHAT THE BOND CURRENTLY IS, WHETHER PASS OR FAIL, UH, AND THIS ISN'T GONNA HAPPEN OVERNIGHT AND PUTTING TOGETHER, UH, WHETHER WE GOT ANOTHER DISTRICT COURT OR WHETHER WE TO DO THIS, IT'S GONNA BE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD BEFORE WE ACTUALLY WALK INTO A BUILDING.

AND THIS COULD BE A, A, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US.

IT'S AN INVESTMENT THAT WE CAN RESELL, BUT IT IS SOMETHING FOR THE COURT TO CONSIDER THAT COULD PUT A, UH, PEEL THE BANDAID OFF AND, AND SOLVE A COUPLE OF ISSUES HERE.

PRETTY, PRETTY GOOD.

UM, I'M NOT GONNA, WHAT IS THE DEADLINE THAT THIS DECISION WOULD'VE TO BE MADE AS FAR AS PUTTING IT IN THE BUDGET MM-HMM .

FOR THIS YEAR? UH, BACK TO YOUR BUDGET CALENDAR HERE.

IN WILLOW PARK IS WHAT, $80,000, UH, A YEAR THAT WE COULD GET RID OF ON THAT.

I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK ABOUT INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF CONTINGENCY THIS YEAR, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY FOR ISSUES LIKE THIS OR OTHER THINGS THAT MAY BE, YOU KNOW, FORTHCOMING THAT IT'S NOT READY TO MAKE DECISIONS WITH.

I KNOW IT'S SOMETHING BRIANNA AND I DISCUSSED ABOUT JUST ADDING TO THE CONTINGENCY BUDGET, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT FUNDS ARE THERE.

IF THIS IS SOMETHING Y'ALL DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AFTER OCTOBER ONE, ONE THING TO CONSIDER IS JUST, I MEAN, OUR RENTAL ALONE

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BUT THEN, I MEAN, IN REALITY, WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT, THIS JJEP IS HERE TO STAY.

UM, I THINK THE LEGISLATURE WAS VERY CLEAR, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY DID WHAT THEY DID IN CHANGING OFF SITE VIOLATIONS.

AND SO IT IS NOT GONNA GO AWAY.

I KNOW THERE WAS LEGISLATION PROPOSED TO ELEVATE THE CAP, A POPULATION FROM 220,000 TO TWO OR 300,000 THAT THAT FAILED.

UH, THE NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

I DON'T, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IT'S GONNA GET ADDRESSED AGAIN.

SO IT'S HERE TO STAY.

UM, AND GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF WHAT THEIR ACTIONS WERE, IT'S ONLY GONNA GROW.

I THINK THEY HAVE FIVE NOW.

I MEAN, EVERYBODY I TALKED TO IN THAT MEETING WHEN WE INITIALLY MET WITH ALL THE SUPERINTENDENTS, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF 'EM HAVE GROWN IN POPULATION OVER TIME.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A PLAN HERE, UH, WHETHER THIS IS IT OR NOT, UM, I THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER THIS AND WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ON THIS.

WHENEVER THAT DECISION NEEDS TO BE MADE, THEN IT'S GONNA OBVIOUSLY FACTOR INTO WHAT OUR OVERALL BUDGET'S GONNA BE.

UM, SO WHAT, IS THERE THOUGHTS ON THIS COURT OF HOW YOU WANT TO HANDLE THIS? OR JUST TO BE CLEAR FOR THE DATE? SO BUDGET ADOPTION IS SET FOR SEPTEMBER 22ND.

SO WE GOT A LOT OF TIME HERE TO BE BEFORE THAT OF TIME.

THE OTHER, THE OTHER IS, UM, AGAIN, NOT HAVING TO RUSH INTO THINGS.

WHATEVER THE COURT WOULD DECIDE, WHETHER DECIDE TO RENT THIS PLACE OR BUY IT OR WHICHEVER MIGHT COME ABOUT, UH, THERE'S NOT A PROBLEM WITH ADDING ADDITIONAL MONEY AND CONTINGENCY IN THE BUDGET TO UTILIZE DURING THE YEAR.

SO WE HAVE A HEALTH AND FUND BALANCE.

WE CAN ADD ENOUGH MONEY AND FUND BALANCE FROM FUND BALANCE TO CONTINGENCY TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE IT DURING THE, DURING THE BUDGET YEAR.

IF, IF WHATEVER THE DECISION COULD BE MADE HERE OR ON SOME OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY, I THINK THAT WOULD BE PRUDENT TO DO.

UM, AND THEN LET THAT FACTOR INTO WHAT THE OVERALL BUDGET'S GONNA BE FOR US, CONSIDER THE TAX RATE.

UM, OKAY.

SO AGAIN, BEAR WITH ME.

I'M, I'M GONNA MOVE.

I DON'T WANNA SAY QUICKLY, BUT, UM, WELL, I, I GUESS DILIGENTLY.

ARE YOU STILL TALKING ABOUT THE BUILDING? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MOVING? WE HAVE, WE HAVE BEEN, YES.

WELL, I'M AGAINST RENTING MORE STUFF MYSELF.

YES, I AGREE.

I, I'M TOO, I'VE BEEN WORKING FOR YEARS TO TRY TO GET RID OF THAT ONE OUT THERE AT WILLOW PARK AND WE'RE ABOUT TO GET TO THAT POINT, I BELIEVE.

SO THAT'S JUST MY OPINION ABOUT RENT OR LEASE OR LEASE AND WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.

AND THAT COULD GO TO THE DEBT SERVICE OF ACQUISITION AND, AND ACTUALLY, UM, OWNING THE FACILITY AND DOING AWAY WITH THAT.

I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED.

UM, I DO THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A CONTINGENCY PUT IN THERE JUST IN CASE WE DECIDE TO BUY THIS, BUT THE AGREEMENT HAS TO COME GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE LOIS THAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE.

I THINK THIS COURT DOES NEED TO SOONER THAN LABOR NEED TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD.

YEP.

I, I AGREE WITH THAT.

I, I THINK TOM'S PROBABLY OF THE ESSENCE AS FAR AS THE PURCHASING SIDE GOES.

UM, I THINK IT'S THE SELLER'S INTENT, I THINK TO HAVE GOODWILL WITH THE COUNTY TO WORK WITH US IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE DECIDE.

ONE THING I DO WANT TO POINT OUT IS THE EXISTING LEASES ON THAT OTHER HALF OF THE BUILDING, THEY'RE APPROXIMATELY 180,000 A YEAR IN REVENUE, IN RENT REVENUE.

AND THOSE ARE TRIPLE NET LEASES, I BELIEVE, WHICH MEANS, I THINK I ASKED HIM WHAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE A LINE OR ALLOWANCE FOR THAT, AND IT WAS JUST SHY OF $7 A FOOT, I THINK.

SO THAT QUESTION COMES UP.

HE WAS TALKING ABOUT WHEN THE LEASES EXPIRE AND ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

IT LOOKS, WE'RE JUST UTILIZING THE SPACE THAT IS OPEN NOW MM-HMM .

THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE LEASE OPTION WAS EVALUATING.

THAT'S THE ONE THAT THEIR LEASE IS UP FOR RENEWAL.

SO WOULD WE CONTINUE TO LEASE THOSE TO THE OC CURRENT OCCUPANTS? IS THAT I I THINK IT DEPENDS ON THE DEMAND.

YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHO DO WE HAVE, WHAT DEPARTMENTS AND HOW TIGHT PEOPLE ARE SQUEEZED IN THEIR FACILITIES.

IF, IF ONE OF THOSE 1200 FOOT SUITES AND, AND I BELIEVE THE, THE ONE THAT'S ACTUALLY ADJACENT TO THE SPACE, THAT'S O VACANT FOR LEASE,

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I BELIEVE IT WAS MARCH OF 26.

SO, YOU KNOW, SIX MONTHS.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING, IF THAT OTHER 1200 FOOT WAS NEEDED FOR THE COUNTY, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO RENEW THE LEASE.

BUT IF IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE THERE WAS GONNA BE A NEED FOR A WHILE, THEN, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT DOING, NEGOTIATING ANOTHER LEASE AGREEMENT.

HELLO, KIM.

CAN WE BE IN THE LEASING BUSINESS? I'M SORRY? CAN THE COUNTY BE IN THE LEASING BUSINESS? YES, I BELIEVE SO.

THAT I THINK WE, COULD WE LEASE SPACE THE TOWERS? YES.

THE ANSWER WOULD IS GONNA BE YES.

THAT CAN HELP OFFSET SOME OF THE, THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS.

AND THESE ARE LEASES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE.

THEY'RE NOT GOING, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA GO ANYWHERE.

WELL, WE ALLOW ALL THREE CURRENT LEASE .

DO I UNDERSTAND THAT IF WE KEPT THOSE LEASES, WE WOULD STILL HAVE SPACE IN THERE FOR THE JUDGE.

A P THERE'S, THERE'S PLENTY OF VACANT RIGHT NOW.

THE J JUVENILE YEAH.

THE 7,200 SQUARE FEET.

I UNDERSTAND THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM FOR JUVENILE AND JJ THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID.

I TH I I, AGAIN, I'M JUST SPEAKING FOR MYSELF HERE.

I THINK THERE'S, AGAIN, WITH A REVENUE STREAM THAT WE WOULD GET IN MAINTAINING THOSE LEASES, ELIMINATING THE RENTAL THAT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO GROW IN WILLOW PARK.

WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO HAVE A PERMANENT SPOT HERE.

THE FACT THAT THIS JJP ISN'T GONNA GO AWAY, WE HAVE A FACILITY DOWN THERE THAT'S DETERIORATING WITH ASBESTOS.

I MEAN, TO ME, THIS IS A VERY STR IT'LL SAVE US MONEY AND HAVING TO DEAL WITH THAT THING, UH, PUT THE EMPLOYEES IN A MORE HEALTH CONSCIOUS SITUATION.

UM, I'M, I'M VERY MUCH FOR PROCEEDING WITH THIS, WITH AN AGREEMENT TO, UM, WHETHER IT'S COMMISSIONER HALE OR WHETHER IT'S WHOEVER THAT, TO EMPOWER A COMMITTEE OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, TO ENTER INTO NEGOTIATIONS WITH THIS, THIS FIRM AND SEE WHERE WE CAN TAKE IT.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO GO.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, THE TIMING OF THIS IS WITH THOSE LOIS, WE, WE DON'T NEED TO SIT AROUND AND THEN WAIT AND GO WEEK AFTER WEEK.

IT'S GONNA SELL THE, THE OWNER IS WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE WORD? IT WAS PUT VERY MOTIVATED WITH TWO LOIS, BUT WANTS TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY.

I THINK WE LOOK AT THIS, AND AGAIN, I DON'T LIKE PUTTING THINGS IN A VACUUM HERE ON A DECISION, BUT I THINK THE, EVERYTHING IS LAID OUT HERE FOR AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO SOLVE SOME ISSUES.

SO WE DO HAVE, UM, FROM THE HAILSTORM, UH, CLAIM THAT HAPPENED ON JUNE 1ST, THERE'S SOME AESTHETIC FUNDS, UM, OF UP TO $500,000 THE ATTACK IS OFFERING, UM, FOR DAMAGE ON BUILDINGS THAT WAS, WAS ONLY COSMETIC THAT THOSE FUNDS.

PART OF IT WAS FOR THE CURRENT JUVENILE BUILDING AND THEN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT TRAINING CENTER AND, AND SO FORTH.

WE COULD REQUEST THE FULL $500,000 AND THAT COULD COVER THE RENOVATIONS AS WELL ON THIS BUILDING.

WELL, THAT'S EVEN BETTER.

OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY JOHN FOREST, INTO NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE FIRM, UH, ON THIS TO BRING BACK TO THE COURT, UH, AND THEN MAKE PROCEED FROM THERE.

SO BETWEEN THAT AND THEN THE LEASES AND SO FORTH, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, SOME WAYS TO OFFSET SOME OF THESE EXPENSES.

AGAIN, EVEN JUST MAKING THIS MORE OF AN ATTRACTIVE SITUATION THAT YEAH, THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD, BUT AGAIN, I, I JUST WANNA REITERATE HERE, THIS SOLVES A COUPLE OF ISSUES HERE FOR US AND THEN A REVENUE STREAM THAT'S GONNA CONTINUE WITH POTENTIAL AVAILABLE MONIES TO PAY FOR THE, THE RENOVATION OF THIS.

UH, AND THEN WE GOT SOME SOLUTIONS SOLVED ON THIS ISSUE.

UM, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA GET MUCH OF A, A BETTER OPPORTUNITY.

IT'S LAID OUT RIGHT IN FRONT OF US.

AND COMMISSIONER HALE, ARE YOU INTERESTED IN NEGOTIATING A DEAL? I'M, I'M HAPPY TO, WITH, WITH JOHN FOR HELP.

IF THERE'S SOMEBODY ELSE THAT FEELS, YOU KNOW, QUALIFIED, I'M, I'M HAPPY TO WORK WITH WHOEVER TO TRY TO NEGOTIATE SOMETHING IF THAT'S OUR JUDGE.

I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO HEAR THAT WE, UH, APPOINT, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER HALE AND JOHN FORREST TO, UH, ENTER IN INTO NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE, UH, REALTOR AND HONOR.

SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CONLEY.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? AND AGAIN, TO CLARIFY, THE MOTION IS TO, UH, ENGAGE COMMISSIONER HALE AND, AND, UH,

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UH, THAT'S THE MOTION.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? TAKE 'EM RACING ON SOME DIRT BIKE.

SEE IF YOU CAN KNOCK THAT PRICE DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

I THINK THAT'S A GOOD DEAL THAT YOU SHOULD GO FORWARD WITH.

THE DECISIONS WAS MADE ON THE SALARIES WERE SET ON THE SALARIES FOR THE, UH, ELECTED OFFICIALS.

SO GOING DOWN THIS, THIS LIST HERE, I JUST WANT, AGAIN, I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA BEAT A DEAD OF HORSE, BUT WHAT

[E. Discuss/Vote on Proposed Elected Officials Salaries. (Becky McCullough I Judge Deen) (Part 3 of 3)]

WE'RE DONE WITH THAT ONE.

I CAN, I CAN SCRATCH THAT OFF.

I THINK BECKY HAS A SOMETHING.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF CLARIFICATION QUESTIONS.

UM, I, I BELIEVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT COMMISSIONER WALDEN WAS YOU HAVE TO HAVE COMPLETED TENURE YEAR, BE IN OFFICE FOR 10 YEARS MM-HMM .

SO, 'CAUSE ORIGINALLY THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE NUMBER THAT I HAVE ON YOUR SHEETS FOR TAX ASSESSOR THAT WILL ACTUALLY PUT THE TAX ASSESSOR IN THE LOWER TIER.

AND I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT WAS WHAT YOUR MOTION WAS.

UH, AS WE AS MOVE THROUGH THIS, WE WITHDRAW THE LINE SOMEWHERE, AND THAT 10 YEARS WAS THE, WAS THE STANDARD THAT WE USE.

SO THE COMPLETION OF THE 10TH YEAR.

THE DISPARITY THAT I SEE IS, HAS TO DO WITH THE, UH, CONSTABLES AND THE, UH, JPS.

AND, UH, I, I WOULD, UH, I WOULD MOVE THAT WE, UH, ELEVATE THE, UH, CONSTABLES TO THE SAME LEVEL AS THE, UH, JPS WE HAVE A MOTION TO.

AND, UH, COMMISSIONER WALDEN, THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HOLD IN THE DISCUSSION PHASE.

COMMISSIONER, CAN YOU AGAIN CLARIFY WHAT THE IMPACT OF THIS IS TO THE POSSIBLES AND THE JPS? WHAT I, UM, YEAH, THERE, THERE, UH, AGAIN, AND I, I'LL STATE MY POINT AGAIN.

AND THAT IS WITH THE SIGNIFICANT INCREASES IN PAY AT THE TOP OF OUR SALARIES, SALARIES IN THE COUNTY, UH, IN ORDER TO KEEP THINGS IN LINE WITH, UH, THE STRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE, UH, THERE WAS A LARGE DISPARITY BETWEEN SOME OF THESE PEOPLE HERE.

AND TO BE HONEST, UH, SOME OF THE PAY SCALES THAT WERE ADOPTED YESTERDAY, UH, THEY RAISED, UH, NON-ELECTED SALARIES TO MORE THAN ELECTED SALARIES WIDESPREAD.

AND SO, IN ORDER TO KEEP THINGS AT A LEVEL THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WILL, WILL, UH, PREVENT US FROM HAVING A LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE GRIEVING THEIR SALARIES, UH, WE NEED TO, NEEDED TO MAKE THESE CHANGES IN HERE.

AND, UH, I'M, I'M REF REFERENCING BACK TO SOME, SOME RAISES THAT WERE GRANTED BY THE LEGISLATURE AND THE, THE PERCENTAGE INCREASES THAT HAVE INCREASED, UH, NON-ELECTED SALARIES OVER YEARS WHEN ELECTED SALARIES HAD NOT KEPT UP.

AND SO THAT'S MY REASONING BEHIND IT.

SECONDLY, UH, TO BE ABLE TO STOP THE, YOU KNOW, I MADE THIS MUCH, THEY NEED THIS MUCH.

I'VE GOT PEOPLE WORKING FOR ME THAT MAKE MORE THAN I DO AND GET A VEHICLE AND, AND ALL KINDS OF OTHER ALLOWANCES.

THE THAT WAS MY REASONING BEHIND THE ENTIRE, UH, MOVE MOTION THAT I MADE YESTERDAY.

THE, UH, CONSTABLES, UH, AGAIN, WHEN YOU USE A PERCENTAGE, WHICH I APPLIED TO JPS AND CONSTABLES, IT LEAVES THEM BEHIND.

AND SO, UH, MY PROPOSAL IS HERE AND MY MOTION IS TO ELEVATE THE, UH, THE CONSTABLES SALARIES TO THAT OF JPS AND I THINK IN OTHER COUNTIES IN, IN THE, IN TEXAS, THAT THAT'S, THAT IS THE CASE.

AND SO MY MOTION IS TO, UH, ELEVATE THE CONSTABLES TO THE SAME SALARY LEVEL AS THE JPS, UH, THAT WAS APPROVED YESTERDAY.

EVERYBODY RECOGNIZES THAT.

WE HAVE MOTION, AND WE DO HAVE A SECOND, UH, MOTIONS MADE BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HOLTON.

UM, IN DISCUSSION PHASE, UH, WHAT WOULD BE THE SALARIES OF THE, UH, CONSTABLES AT THAT POINT? 1 14 7 2 6.

SO AGAIN, I'M GONNA TELL YOU THAT, UH, EVERYBODY KNOWS IT, AND I'M, I'M, I WATCH EVERY PENNY THAT GETS SPENT.

UH, BUT IF WE START AT THE TOP OF THE SCALE HERE OF WHAT THE SALARIES ARE AND WHAT THEY WOULD GO TO NEXT YEAR AND THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR,

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ALL I'M SIMPLY TRYING TO DO IS KEEP THAT IN LINE WITH OTHERS THAT COME DOWN TO US AND HA ARE HANDED TO US AS SALARIES.

AND SO THAT WAS MY REASONING BEHIND HAVING THOSE SALARIES BE EQUAL TO SALARIES THAT WE ARE HANDED.

AND WE WERE TOLD THAT THIS, THESE ARE GONNA BE THE SALARIES.

UH, SO THAT IS MY REASONING BEHIND THE MOTION THAT I MADE YESTERDAY THAT WAS APPROVED.

AND I, I'M, I'M, I, UH, EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT I WATCH EVERY DIME THAT GOES THROUGH HERE.

WE, WE SIT HERE AND WE ARGUED OVER THREE OR $4,000 THAT SOMETHING WE WILL AGAIN, UH, HOWEVER, TO TRY TO KEEP GOOD LAW ENFORCEMENT ON THE STREETS.

AND HERE I FELT IT WAS NECESSARY THAT WE MADE THE, UH, MOVE THAT WE DID TO PROVE THE STEPPING GRADE THAT WAS APPROVED, THAT WAS ASKED FOR AND APPROVED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT YESTERDAY.

UH, ALONG WITH THAT COMES THE REQUIRED RAISES THAT HAVE TO BE MADE TO THESE ELECTED OFFICIALS SO THAT WE'RE NOT MAKING LESS MONEY THAN THE PEOPLE THAT, UH, WORK FOR US.

AND I DO NOT APOLOGIZE FOR THAT TO ANYBODY.

I'LL TELL YOU THAT THAT IS, UH, WHEN WE ARE, WE ARE REQUIRED TO PAY THESE, SOME OF THESE SALARIES OVER HERE AND KEEP THINGS IN LINE.

THAT'S WHY I MADE THIS MOTION.

AND I, I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT THAT IS THE CORRECT THING TO DO AND WAS THE CORRECT THING TO DO.

UH, SO THAT'S MY MOTION.

UM, MOTION A SECOND.

ANY OF THE DISCUSSION? ALL MY FAVOR? MOTION CARRIES FIVE.

OH, OKAY.

I WANT TO, I WANT TO GO, I'M GONNA POKE THE BEAR HERE A LITTLE BIT.

I KNOW WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, UM, IF I DECLINE A RAISE OR A COLA, WILL THAT, WILL THOSE FUNDS STAY WITH PRECINCT TWO? BECAUSE IT'S PART OF NO LATERAL ROAD AND BRIDGE? THEY'LL GO BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND.

NO, THEY GO TO GENERAL FUND.

WE WOULDN'T, WE JUST WOULDN'T BUDGET IT.

BUT I'M PAID OUT OF LATERAL ROAD BRIDGE, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA BUDGET THE MONEY THERE, SO I MEAN, YEAH, I MEAN, IT WOULD JUST STAY IN PRECINCT TOO.

IN PRECINCT TOO, BUT OKAY.

WE WOULD STILL BUDGET IT AT YOUR CURRENT SALARY.

WE WOULDN'T INCREASE THE SALARY AMOUNT.

THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.

IF I DON'T TAKE THE INCREASE.

THOSE FUNDS STAY IN PRECINCT TWO, CORRECT? YES.

BECAUSE THEY'RE LATERAL ROAD BRIDGE.

I'D LIKE TO DECLINE THE INCREASE AND DECLINE CO.

DOES THAT NEED A MOTION? THAT, OKAY.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION? IS THAT A MOTION, SIR? IF I HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION? YEAH.

ON H ON SALARIES AND BENEFITS FROM NON-ELECTED OFFICIALS, AND PLEASE INDULGE ME.

YOU MAY HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER.

HOLD SECOND.

BY COMMISSIONER CALLING ANY OF THE DISCUSSION.

ALL IN FAVOR? UH, MOTION CARRIES FOUR TO ONE ABSTAIN.

UH, IF I, IF I MAY, AND I'M LIKE, I'M GONNA POKE THIS BEAR BECAUSE, AND HERE'S, I'M GONNA GO TO ITEM

[II.H. Salaries and Benefits for Non-Elected Employees. (Becky McCullough I Judge Deen) (Part 2 of 2)]

I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA TALK QUICKLY, UH, BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THIS.

WE'VE MADE A MOTION, WE HAVE A SET NUMBER, BUT WE'RE ONLY AS GOOD AS ELECTED OFFICIALS AS OUR STAFFS.

AND YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE'VE GONE THROUGH AND ADDRESSED A LOT OF ISSUES WITH, WITH ELECTED OFFICIALS, WITH, UM, UH, UH, I THINK WE'VE COVERED EVERY PART, LAW ENFORCEMENT AND, BUT THE THING THAT MAKES US WHO WE ARE IS THE SUPPORT OF OUR EMPLOYEES THAT COME IN DAY IN AND DAY OUT.

AND WE, WE, WE DO THINGS, EVERYTHING WE CAN FOR RETENTION TO KEEP THESE EMPLOYEES RICH IS A GREAT EXAMPLE.

I MEAN, WE, HE, HE HAS BECOME VALUABLE TO THE COUNTY WITH HIS TENURE OF KNOWLEDGE, HIS EXPERIENCE.

HE, HE, HE SOMETIMES KNOWS THINGS BEFORE I KNOW IT.

AND, UH, IT'S CRITICAL THAT I THINK WE CONTINUE WITH THE GROWTH THAT WE HAVE.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE MUCH MORE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES.

THERE'S ONE EVEN IN COMMISSIONER HILLS THAT HASN'T BEEN EVEN TALKED ABOUT YET, THAT I'M AWARE OF.

WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO GROW AS A COUNTY, BUT WE'RE ONLY AS GOOD AS THE EMPLOYEES THAT WE HAVE THAT MAKE US LOOK GOOD.

AND THAT 4%, I, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE THAT, THAT SENDS A MESSAGE THAT, HEY, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, THE INFLATION INDEX HOVERING AROUND TWO TO THREE, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS MOVING IN, IN, IN MOTION RIGHT NOW WITH TARIFFS, AND THERE'S THINGS THAT ARE COMING.

THE OUTLOOK IS GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA NUDGE UP A LITTLE BIT.

UH, IT MAY NOT, THIS IS A SPECULATION I'M GONNA MAKE, I WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO TAKE THE 4% THAT WE DID.

I WANT, I'M GONNA COME BACK TO WHAT I ASKED FOR INITIALLY, WITH A 5%

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INCREASE ON JUST THE NON-ELECTED OFFICIALS, EMPLOYEES AND NON THE, UM, WHAT IS THE WORD APPOINTED? WHAT'S THE ROUTE NON ELECTED EMPLOYEE? YES.

THAT THIS IS PURELY FOR THE NON-ELECTED EMPLOYEES.

THE PEOPLE THAT COME TO WORK EVERY SINGLE DAY AND MAKE US LOOK GOOD.

I WANNA MAKE A MOTION FOR A 5% INCREASE ON THAT, BECAUSE I THINK THE DIFFERENCE IN THE COST IS WHAT, ABOUT $200,000.

I MEAN, FOR EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING HERE AND WE'RE DOWN, THIS IS A CRITICAL PIECE OF, OF EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING WITH THE GROWTH THAT WE'RE HAVING.

AND WE NEED GOOD PEOPLE AROUND US TO KEEP THOSE GOOD PEOPLE.

IT'S 1%.

AND I'M GONNA ASK FOR THE 5%.

UM, AND THAT IS A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND, BECKY? WHAT? I'LL, I'LL SECOND IT TO GET IT TO THE, UM, DISCUSSION, BUT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT ON FUND BALANCE AND SOME OF THAT.

JUDGE, TOTALLY AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID.

WAS IT NOT TOTALLY AGREE, BUT I REALLY, 89,000.

IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET THE FUND BALANCE NUMBER FIRST? SURE.

SINCE WE ARE LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE THE TOWER AND PLUS ALL THAT ADDITIONAL, BECKY, WHAT PERCENT DID WE DO LAST YEAR? FOUR.

FOUR.

I THINK THIS IS A YEAR TO DO IT BECAUSE THE HEALTH OF THE FINANCIAL HEALTH OF THE COUNTY.

UM, I THINK, AND AGAIN, YOU EXTRAPOLATE THESE NUMBERS OUT AND GIVE US WHAT WE, WHAT WE NEED, THE, THE INFORMATION WE NEED.

UH, THIS IS A YEAR THAT WE CAN, I THINK WE CAN DO THIS, BUT YEAH, IT'LL BE A LITTLE, PROBABLY LESS THAN 200,000.

'CAUSE I GOTTA BACK OUT ELECTED OFFICIALS AND DO THAT SEPARATELY FOR FULL-TIME, PART-TIME.

JUST FULL-TIME AND PART-TIME NON-ELECTED EMPLOYEES.

I, I, AGAIN, I JUST THINK THAT WHEN WE COME TO WORK EVERY DAY, WE'RE RELY ON THESE PEOPLE TO COME.

UH, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT, THAT, THAT DOES THE, THAT'S IN THE TRENCHES AND DOES THE WORK FOR US.

AND WITHOUT THAT, UM, 'CAUSE I KNOW WHEN YOU LOSE SOMEONE AND YOU GOTTA HIRE SOMEONE AND THEN RETRAIN THEM, THAT IT'S A DISRUPTION.

IT, IT CAUSES A DOWNTIME AND PRODUCTIVITY, BUT TO KEEP THE PEOPLE THAT WE WANT.

AND IT'S MORE THAN THAT.

IT'S SENDING A MESSAGE THAT WE GIVE A DAMN ABOUT 'EM.

BUT IT'S ALSO FROM A BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURES HOLD WHEN THESE TARIFFS AND THE THINGS THAT, WHAT WE KNOW THAT'S IN SOME OF THE OUTLOOKS OF THIS IS THAT'S GONNA NUDGE UP A LITTLE BIT.

LET'S STAY AHEAD OF THE CURVE AND INSTEAD OF BEING BEHIND THE CURVE, OR AT LEAST AT PARODY, LET'S SEND THESE PEOPLE A MESSAGE.

WE GIVE, WE GIVE A DAMN, WHAT CURVE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? BECAUSE THE CURVE IS OVER.

OVER THE COURSE OF TIME THAT I'VE BEEN HERE, WE'VE MAINTAINED, OR AT LEAST SLIGHTLY BELOW WHAT THE, THE INFLATION INDEX HAS BEEN EXCEPT ONE YEAR.

I THINK WE GAVE IT 10% WHEN THE, THE INFLATION RATE WAS OVER 12.

BUT WE, WE HOVERED IT AROUND THAT, THAT PEER, THAT POINT WHERE, UH, WE'VE DONE DUE DILIGENCE.

I'M NOT SAYING WE HAVEN'T, BUT I, I THINK IT'S TIME WITH THE GROWTH THAT WE'RE HAVING WITH, BECAUSE WE'RE ABOUT TO GET REALLY BUSY TRANSPORTATION STANDPOINT, WE'RE PUTTING A GREAT DEAL OF EFFORT INTO, TO SOME OF THESE CRITICAL NEEDS OF WATER.

UM, BUT THE THINGS THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO GO IN AND, AND DEAL WITH THIS BOND, UH, WE'RE GONNA PUT A STRAIN ON NOT ONLY YOURSELVES, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR YOU TO DO THESE THINGS AND TO, AND TO MEET THE SERVICES OF THIS COUNTY AND THE COMMUNITY.

I, I JUST, I I, I SIT HERE AND ALL LISTEN TO THESE, THESE SALARIES, WHICH WE TOTALLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE WITH.

I VOTED FOR IT, BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO FORGET AND LEAVE BEHIND THOSE EMPLOYEES THAT IT'S, THAT'S HELPING US AND GET US WHERE WE NEED.

I DON'T THINK WE'RE LEAVING 'EM BEHIND, BUT WE'RE IN THIS, WE'LL BE IN THE SAME BOAT.

IF WE CONTINUE TO DO THOSE PERCENTAGE INCREASES FOR ALL EMPLOYEES, WHERE THEY ARE UNDERSTAND WILL BE IN THE SAME BOAT AGAIN.

THAT, THAT, THAT THE PART I KNOW, AND I'M VERY CAUTIOUS THAT YESTERDAY, I'M VERY CAUTIOUS OF THAT.

AND IT'S 1%, IT'S, IT'S SLIGHTLY LESS THAN 2000.

IT'S FIVE, 5%.

NO, BUT I'M SAYING IT, IT IS JUST 1% THAT I'M ASKING THAT'S NOT GONNA CLOSE THE GAP THAT, THAT MUCH.

UM, WITH THE INCREASE OF THE 1%, IT GOES UP TO 1,165,000 ON THAT LINE.

AND THEN THE CONSTABLE PAY INCREASED.

MEH, JPS ABOUT 45,000.

UM, COMMISSIONER HOLTZ DECLINE WOULD BE $13,233.

SO THE TOTAL WITH THE SALARY ADJUSTMENTS AT THIS POINT WOULD BE 3,146,795.

AND THAT INCLUDES EVERYTHING.

THAT INCLUDES EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED.

SO IS THERE ANY, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS? AND AGAIN, I KNOW I'M POKING THE BARRIER HERE.

AT THIS POINT AS AN ESTIMATE WITH THE SALARIES, BUT, OKAY.

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I KNOW WE'VE DONE THIS, WE'VE MADE A DECISION.

I THINK COMMISSIONER CONLEY'S, UH, MOTION OF FOUR IS FAIR.

BUT AGAIN, I JUST THINK WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE SITTING HERE GOING THROUGH THIS, BUT IT'S, I, I THINK THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE, THAT WILL MAKE US SUCCESSFUL AND, AND COME TO WORK FOR US AND HAVE THE LOYALTY OF THE EMPLOYEES THAT WE WANT TO KEEP.

UM, JUST, I JUST, I JUST WANNA BE SURE.

I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA CLOSE THE GAP.

AND I THINK THAT WE SOLVED THAT WITH, UM, I THINK A GOOD PLAN THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER WALDEN HAS COME UP WITH AND WE'VE IMPLEMENTED THAT.

I DON'T THINK THIS IS GONNA CLOSE THE GAP ON THAT.

SO ANYWAY, I'M TALKING THIS THING TO DEATH AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? ALL IN FAVOR.

MOTION FAILS.

THREE TO TWO.

THANK Y'ALL FOR LETTING ME SPEAK ON THAT.

THERE IS ONE MORE ELECTED SALARY I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS JUST TO BRING ATTENTION TO IT.

SO AGAIN, FOLLOWING THE 10 YEARS IN OFFICE, UM, ORIGINALLY YESTERDAY YOU SAID THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE SHOULD BE BASED ON THE AUDITOR.

HE HAS NOT BEEN IN OFFICE FOR 10 YEARS.

SO HIS CURRENT SALARY IS 1 44 FOR 27, HE DOES RECEIVE AN AUTO ALLOWANCE OF 20,800.

THAT'S SEPARATE FROM THAT.

SO BASED ON THE 10 YEARS IN OFFICE, THAT TAKES HIS SALARY TO 1 44, 530.

WHO IS THIS AGAIN? THE SHERIFF.

UM, IS THAT, IS THAT, WHAT'S ON THIS PAGE RIGHT HERE? WHAT'S THE TOTAL SALARY? WHAT'S THE TOTAL SALARY WITH COME AND LOOK AT THIS SHEET AND MAKE SURE I'M LOOKING AT THE RIGHT SHEET HERE.

IS THIS, THAT'S THE SIGN NOW.

ORIGINALLY I PUT IT THERE BECAUSE YOU SAID RIGHT.

BUT THEN WHEN HE BROUGHT UP HE DOESN'T HAVE 10 YEARS, SO IT'S 1, 3, 4 PLUS THAT.

SO 1 64.

MY INTENT WAS TO ELEVATE THE SHERIFF'S POSITION TO THE, THE SAME, UH, TO MATCH THE AUDITOR.

SO I'M GONNA MOVE THAT WE DO THAT MOTION MOVE BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HOL UH, CONY.

I'M SORRY.

IS THERE ANYTHING DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? CURIOUS , IS THERE ANY OF THESE ITEMS ON HERE? 'CAUSE I'M LOOKING THROUGH THESE.

I THINK WE'VE COVERED EVERYTHING.

HAVE WE NOT, OR AM I, HAS, HAS THE MISSING SOMETHING AUDITOR'S BUDGET FOR FY 26 BEEN SET? SO IF THERE'S A BUDGETED RAISE FOR THE AUDITOR, WHAT HAPPENS? THEN? WE'RE GONNA LEAVE THEM.

UH, MY INTENT IS TO LEAVE THEM WHERE THEY'RE NOT, TO NOT TO RAISE THOSE.

SO THIS SHEET WOULD STAY THE SAME? YES.

SO I HAD A, UM, WE'VE GOT SEVERAL THINGS HANGING OUT THERE.

UH, ONE OF THESE, THE COMMUNICATION TOWERS IS, IS A BIG DEAL.

UH, WE EITHER NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ON THAT, UH, WHICH IN MY WAY OF THINKING COMES INTO PLAY SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER WITH WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO ON THIS BUILDING.

I MEAN, WE WOULD, UM, SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT'S HANGING OUT THERE.

HAVE WE GOT, UH, CAN ANYBODY TELL ME IF WE'VE GOT THE ANIMAL SHELTER UPDATED CONTRACT INFORMATION IN THERE? 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK WE DO.

IS THERE'S A, THERE'S A PLACE MARKER IN THERE, CHIEF, BUT NOT A, NOT A, UH, IF I, IF I MAY REAL QUICK.

RICH JAMES HO TOP BROUGHT BACK, BROUGHT BY THE NEW UPDATED CONTRACT.

WE, WE HAVE IT.

WE'VE GOT IT.

BUT I, I JUST WANNA BE SURE.

BUT, BUT, BUT IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A MOVING NUMBER IS MY ISSUE.

YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT? YEAH.

SO WHENEVER I DEVELOPED THE BUDGET FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, I BUDGETED AT, UM, THE GOING RATE PLUS 10%.

SAYS, AND IT, IT SEEMED TO ME LIKE WHAT I READ WAS IT KINDA LEFT IT OPEN-ENDED DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF ANIMALS.

WHICH IS NOT WHAT IS IN THE NEW CONTRACT.

SO, AND, AND I THINK YOU TOLD ME EARLIER, YOU HAVE A MEETING TOMORROW? YES.

I'M SUPPOSED TO HAVE A MEETING.

ME AND JOHN, MY, MYSELF AND JOHN FORD ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A MEETING WITH CITY TOMORROW.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING REGARDING THE NEGOTIATION OF THAT CONTRACT.

SO I, I THINK WHAT I WOULD SAY IS WE'RE GONNA NEED THE BEST ESTIMATE OF WHAT IT'S GONNA COST AT SOME POINT HERE.

IT'S HARD TO BUDGET A NUMBER THAT WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST.

UM, I, I SUPPOSE YOU PROBABLY, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOU'VE GOT THE CURRENT PLUS 10%, BUT IT MAY BE SOMETHING MORE THAN THAT DEPENDING ON THE NUMBERS THAT WE, UH, PUT THERE.

THE LAST, THE LAST CONTRACT, UH, INTERLOCAL I SAW WAS ABOUT 975,000, RIGHT.

FOR THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR.

SO HOW FAR OFF FROM THE NUMBER THAT YOU GOT? ABOUT A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED THOUSAND ROUGHLY WE'RE A HUNDRED THOUSAND.

YOUR ESTIMATE WAS A HUNDRED THOUSAND BELOW WHAT, WHAT THE NEW CONTRACT

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THAT THERE WAS GONNA, WE WERE GONNA BE CHARGED BASED ON THE, THE NUMBER OF ANIMALS THAT GO THERE.

UM, I MEAN, THAT AGAIN, CAN BE HANDLED WITH CONTINGENCY.

HOWEVER, AT SOME POINT HERE WE NEED TO BE A LITTLE MORE REALISTIC ABOUT IT AND, AND ADD ANOTHER A HUNDRED THOUSAND, I WOULD SAY, UH, OR MAYBE MORE, UH, TO THAT, TO THE ANIMAL SHELTER FIGURE THAT THEY'VE GOT IN THE SHERIFF'S BUDGET RIGHT NOW IS JUST SO WE, WE OBVIOUSLY CAN PULL THAT FROM, FROM, UH, FUND BALANCE, I MEAN FROM A CONTINGENCY, BUT WE NEED TO BE KNOWING THAT AHEAD OF TIME THAT THAT'S GOING.

THERE'LL BE A COST THERE.

JUST THROW THE COURT OF BONUS.

JUST, JUST AN UPDATE ON THE AXON CONTRACT WE TALKED ABOUT YESTERDAY.

UM, CONTINUING NEGOTIATIONS WITH THEM.

THEY'VE DROPPED THE PRICE FOR THIS FIRST YEAR DOWN BY 90,000.

SO, UM, WHICH I'VE COMMUNICATED TO BIANCA.

SO MY CONTRACT SERVICES LINE WILL GO DOWN BY 90,000 IN THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR ON THAT CONTRACT, I THINK YOU CAN PROBABLY JUST MOVE THAT RIGHT OVER TO ANIMAL SHELTER .

I'M TRYING, I'M DOING THE BEST I CAN.

ALL RIGHT.

SO, UM, I WAS JUST TRYING TO, TO COME UP WITH THINGS THAT WE HAVE NOT MADE A DECISION ON AND, UH, UH, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE TWO BIGGIES.

ONE IS THIS, YOU KNOW, NEW PROPOSAL FOR A NEW BUILDING.

THE OTHER ARE THESE TOWERS OVER HERE, UH, YOU KNOW, EQUALLY IMPORTANT.

UH, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT, THAT ANYBODY CAN COME UP WITH THAT WE NEED TO BE, UH, TRYING TO COME UP WITH A NUMBER ON TO INCLUDE IN THE BUDGET? YEAH, I BELIEVE THAT'S IT.

WELL, THE, WHATEVER WE COME UP WITH FOR THE PRECINCT, RIGHT? IF THAT'S, WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS.

YEP.

HEY, KIM, THIS RECENT HAIL STORM THAT WE HAD AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT HAD IMPACTED OUR ROOTS IN THIS ON THE COUNTY OWNED ASSETS, IS THERE ANY, IS THERE ANY DEDUCTIBLES THAT'S GONNA IMPACT US ON THIS AS IT'S FULLY COVERED? WELL, SO IT'S A $50,000 TO DEDUCTIBLE, AND THAT'S FOR THE STORM ITSELF.

SO IT'S NOT PER LOCATION.

THERE'S ALSO A DEPRECIATION RATE ON THE, UM, DAMAGE THAT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE OF WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE ACTUAL COST VERSUS THE DEPRECIATED COST.

WE'LL GET SOME OF THAT BACK IF, IF, IF OUR, UM, COST EXCEED WHAT THEY HAD GIVEN US.

BUT I DON'T THINK WE'LL GET A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE DE DEPRECIATED RATE AMOUNT.

UM, YOU ASKED FOR IF THERE'S ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS.

CONST, IT'S ALL CONS THREE, THE CONSTABLE THREE AND ALL THE CONTINGENCY THAT, UM, WE'VE PUT, THAT'S NOT GONNA BE IN THE DEPARTMENT'S CONTINGENCY LINES.

IT'LL BE IN, IN THE 4 0 9.

AND THAT TOTAL FOR EVERYTHING, INCLUDING THE DRONES, IS 721,793.

UM, YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED 298,500 OF THAT.

A BIG CHUNK OF THE 7 21 IS, IS 290,000 OF IT CONTINGENCY.

AND, AND TWO 50 OF THAT'S RADIO FOR EQUIPMENT REMOVAL.

IF RE MOVING EQUIPMENT, IF WE DO THE RADIO TOWERS, IF WE DO THE RADIO TOWERS.

I, I IF WE, UH, REGARDING THOSE TOWERS, FROM MY EXPERIENCE OF THE ONE THAT, THAT IS ON MY LOT, THE TOWER CONSTRUCTION PERIOD WAS A YEAR.

AND SO I'M GUESSING THAT THAT EQUIPMENT COULD BE PLACED IN, IN ANOTHER BUDGET YEAR IF THE TOWER'S BUILT IN THIS, THIS YEAR THAT PROBABLY COULD WAIT TO PUT THE EQUIPMENT IN IT LATER.

THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I OBSERVED THERE FOR LAST YEAR.

THAT, THAT WE'LL PROBABLY, I WANNA SAY IT'S A 15 MONTH WINDOW TO GET IT BUILT.

AND SO WE WOULDN'T BE TALKING ABOUT FILLING ALL OF IT THIS FISCAL YEAR.

WELL, EVEN IF WE SPEND A BIG CHUNK OF THE 3.8 OR WHATEVER WE END UP GOING WITH, I DON'T THINK THAT EXTRA 500,000 THAT IT'S GONNA TAKE TO FLUSH IT OUT COULD EVEN BE SPENT THIS YEAR.

BECAUSE IT WON'T GO UP FAST ENOUGH.

THAT'S MY EXPERIENCE FROM THE TOWER THAT'S AT MY PLACE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE TOWER'S THERE AND THE EQUIPMENT'S IN IT.

SO THIS IS WHAT SHE'S GONNA PROPOSE, BUT IT'S NOT TURNED ON.

YOU KNOW, THIS COULD NOT READY TO BE TURNED ON.

SO I, I THINK, UH, THAT WE WOULD BE SAFE IN, YOU KNOW, FUNDING CONSTRUCTION OF THE TOWER AND NOT THE EQUIPMENT AS WE TALKED ABOUT, AND, AND HAVE THAT COME BACK TO US IN ANOTHER YEAR.

I DUNNO, JUST

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GUESSING 3.8.

WELL, WHICHEVER, UH, AGAIN, I'M, I'M SITTING HERE WITH ARE WE GONNA BUY THIS BUILDING OR NOT? AND ARE WE GONNA DO ONE TOWER, TWO TOWERS, FOUR TOWERS? BUT THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.

AND I, I GUESS I NEED MORE INFORMATION, BUT, BUT WE STILL HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO ADD, RIGHT? WE'VE GOT 2, 2, 3 WEEKS HERE.

SO, SO I, I'D LIKE TO SEE HOW THE NEGOTIATION GOES OVER HERE AND THEN AGREED.

COME BACK OVER HERE, YOU KNOW, AND WORK THOSE TOGETHER.

AGREED.

I MEAN, I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I'M NOT PRIORITIZING ONE OVER THE OTHER, BUT LET'S JUST REALIZE THAT THAT'S HANGING OUT THERE.

YEAH, AGREED.

NO WORRIES WITH THAT.

UM, WHEN DO YOU THINK IS A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME TO COME BACK TO THE COURT COMMISSIONER HALE WITH YOUR NEGOTIATIONS? YES, SIR.

UH, I JUST HAVE TO SEE HOW THE INITIAL DISCUSSIONS GO.

I MEAN, IS IT EVEN FEASIBLE THAT YOU HAVE AN ANSWER BEFORE WE HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS FROM A TIMELINE PERSPECTIVE? IF HE'S HIGHLY MOTIVATED? I DON'T, I MEAN, WE AT LEAST HAVE A FIGURE.

YEAH, I'VE BEEN IN EASY NEGOTIATIONS AND I'VE BEEN IN LONG ONE, SO, UM, I DON'T WANT TO GENE IT, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S POSSIBLE, BUT PROBABLY NOT.

WE HAVE IT DONE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS, TWO OR THREE WEEKS.

THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S PRETTY QUICK TURNAROUND TIME, BUT THAT GIVES US, I MEAN, THAT'S ENOUGH TIME FOR US TO MAKE, WAS IT MID, MID-SEPTEMBER WHEN WE NEED TO BE DONE BY? I MEAN, HAVE OUR NUMBERS SUBMITTED? I KNOW THERE'S A DATE.

THEY SAID IT WHILE AGO.

UH, DIDN'T YOU? BECKY? SEPTEMBER, 2020 SECOND.

YEAH, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THREE WEEKS.

SO ANY WAY YOU LOOK AT IT, THAT'S KIND OF A QUICK TURNAROUND, BUT WE'LL HAVE A BETTER IDEA.

ON, YEAH.

FOR BUDGETING PURPOSES, I THINK BY THEN WE SHOULD HAVE AN IDEA.

DID WE COME ANY RESOLVE TO THE, UH, I'M SORRY, I'M GONNA GO BACK TO THE ANIMAL SHELTER JUST TO UNDERSTAND THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE.

MM-HMM.

UM, WHEN ARE YOU MEETING WITH THEM AGAIN TODAY? SUPPOSED TOMORROW.

OH, TOMORROW.

SO I THINK WE'LL HAVE UPDATED INFORMATION ON THAT.

THAT'S OKAY.

I, I, I DIDN'T GET THAT.

UH, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON HERE THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED? I MEAN, THESE ARE PRETTY BIG TICKET ITEMS HERE THAT WE, UH, WE'RE ABLE TO DISCUSS AND I, I LIKE THE FLOW OF WHERE WE'RE AT.

SO I HAD SOMETHING THAT I, THAT COMES TO MIND, AND THAT IS THE, WE HAVE A DRONE COMMITTEE.

THERE MAY BE CALLS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, OR THAT MAY BE SOMETHING AGAIN, THAT'S TAKEN OUT OF CONTINGENCY.

WE HAVE A COMMITTEE WORKING TOWARD THAT.

THOSE WERE, WERE, UH, REQUESTS THAT WE HAD THAT WE PUT ON THE COMMITTEE TO WORK.

SO YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE, SEE ANY REALITY WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE SPECIFIC NUMBERS THAT'S GOOD.

BEFORE WE HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS ON BUDGET.

THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO HEAR YOU SAY THAT.

UM, UH, WE, WE HAD, WE'VE GOT SOME REQUESTS THAT, THAT FALL INTO THAT RADIO CATEGORY THAT I'M GONNA ASK ABOUT HERE IN JUST A MINUTE.

FOR CONSTABLE THREE, I THINK THERE WAS SOME DEALS WHERE 0.2 GOT THE VEHICLE, I THINK, AND MADE THREE NEEDED VEHICLES, AND I DON'T THINK WE TOOK ACTION ON THAT.

WE CAN ADDRESS THAT NOW.

WE CAN, AS SOON AS SHE'S READY FOR IT.

I'M, I'M READY.

SO THE, UM, VEHICLE ITSELF WOULD BE 52,295, AND THAT WOULD BE FOR A HALF TON FOUR WHEEL DRIVE PICKUP.

AND IN THE OUTFITTING FOREVER IT IS 29,275.

IS THAT A REASONABLE FOR OUTFITTING? IT SEEMS EXTREMELY HIGH TO ME.

ALL RIGHT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER, I THINK THAT'S WHY WE PASSED ON THAT OR LET IT SIT FOR A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW.

IS THERE ALSO A RADIO REQUEST IN THERE? THERE ARE THE, THE TWO RADIOS AT 17,000.

WHEN YOU, YOU SAY STATUTORY, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? THE INCREASE TO YOUR SUPPLEMENTS? THAT, THAT'S THROUGH THE STATE THOUGH.

I, I'M GONNA MOVE THAT WE, UH, APPROVE THE RADIOS AND THE PURCHASE OF THE VEHICLE AND OMIT THE OUTFITTING UNTIL WE GET MORE INFORMATION MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CONLEY.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? OKAY.

HERES FIVE VOTE.

ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO ADDRESS HERE? I, AGAIN, I'M, I I THINK WE'VE COVERED THOROUGHLY JUST USE AT HAND HERE, UH, WITH A PLAN TO ASSESS AND DETERMINE WHERE THEY ARE AND WHERE WE ARE.

JUST THIS NOTIFICATION FOR THE COURT UNDER ELECTED OFFICIALS ON THE SALARIES THAT ARE THE STATUTORY SAL SALARIES.

THOSE ARE EFFECTIVE NINE ONE.

SO WE HAVE, UM, THE AUDITOR HAS FIGURED LIKE A BUDGET ADJUSTMENT THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE DONE FROM CONTINGENCY TO ADDRESS THOSE INCREASES.

EFFECTIVE NINE ONE AND NOT TEN ONE.

JUST

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BUT IT'S EFFECTIVE NINE ONE THAT WE HAVE TO START PAYING IT.

OH, SO THE INCREASES TO THE DISTRICT JUDGE'S SUPPLEMENTS THE CCL JUDGES AND YOUR SUPPLEMENT WILL ALL BE EFFECTIVE NINE ONE.

YEAH, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, WE'LL GET IT BACK, BUT IT'S STILL EFFECTIVE.

NINE ONE.

I I'M JUST MAKING SURE THE COURT UNDERSTANDS.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE, ANY OF THESE ITEMS? JUDGE, DO WE WANNA SET BUDGET SESSION NOW? WAIT, AFTER WE MORE INFORMATION.

WELL, I THINK WE NEED TO SETTLE, BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW WHEN WE'RE GONNA KNOW THIS INFORMATION THOUGH.

THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

SO I, I THINK MY RESPONSE TO THAT WOULD BE, UH, WE, WE NEED TO SET IT LATER, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'LL BE A DATE WHEN WE HAVE TO SET IT.

WE CAN'T HAVE THE MEETING ANY LATER THAN THAT.

BUT SET IT AS LATE AS POSSIBLE SO THAT WE CAN GATHER AS MUCH INFORMATION AS WE HAVE TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS FOR THAT.

IS THAT FAIR? NO, THANK YOU, RICH.

WE'RE BRINGING THAT UP.

I'LL STAY.

MAKE SURE WE GET A DATE EACH OTHER COMMISSIONER AND HAPPEN ONCE WE GET .

YOU GOT IT.

GOOD.

ANYTHING ELSE, GENTLEMEN? BECKY, ANYTHING? YOU, YOU SEE BIANCA, UH, MOVE, WE ADJOURNED.

STEADY MY SON.

WHAT DO YOU GOT, KIM? YOU'RE SURE.

QUICK WITHOUT BAIL.

SO ARE WE GO GOING TO APPROVE ANY OF THE CONTINGENCY AT THIS POINT? NOT AT THIS POINT.

WE, WE WANT TO WAIT, UH, AS, AS AGAIN, AS LATE AS WE CAN ON CONTINGENCY BASED ON TWO OR THREE THINGS THAT WE'VE GOT HANGING OUT HERE.

SO WE'LL KNOW HOW MUCH CONTINGENCY WE NEED TO ALLOW IN CASE WE DO ONE OF THE OTHER OF THE THINGS WE'VE GOT OKAY.

DISCUSSED.

IS THERE SOMETHING SPECIFIC ON THE JIM WRIGHT BUILDING THAT YOU ARE WAITING FOR? THEY REQUESTED THE HUNDRED THOUSAND.

UM, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO HAVE SOME MORE DISCUSSION WITH THEM AND IT THAT'LL BE ANOTHER THING THAT'S HANGING OUT THERE THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE SEEKING SOME FUNDING FOR THAT.

UH, OKAY.

BUT THERE WILL BE OTHER LOOSE ENDS LIKE THAT, RIGHT? THAT WE'RE NOT THINKING OF RIGHT NOW.

THAT WILL NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AT THAT MEETING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD.

AND OR, UH, I GUESS CERTAINLY COULD INCLUDE, UH, AGENDA ITEMS AT OUR NEXT REGULAR COURT MEETING TO DISCUSS ANY OF THESE AS WELL, I GUESS.

WHICH, WHICH, WHICH IS 20 SECONDS FROM WHERE WE STAND RIGHT NOW.

BIANCA, IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET A STATUS UPDATE WHEN THE NEXT TIME WE MEET? IT'S LIKE THE DECISIONS THAT WE MADE, UM, THAT ARE FIRM AND THAT ARE, THEY'RE HARD NUMBERS THAT WE KNOW.

CAN WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT THAT WOULD BE AN IMPACT TO US, UH, RELATIVE TO THE IMPACT OF THE GENERAL FUND? COMMISSIONER, YOU, YOU MENTIONED ALSO THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR ROAD BRIDGE THAT MIGHT BE A SUPPLEMENT TO YEAH, AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT.

MR. HALE MENTIONED THAT I JUST, I'M JUST BRINGING IT UP THERE.

JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE AWARE OF THIS.

I, I SPECIFICALLY, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT ONE THING.

IT'S THE SOIL AND WATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT.

WE APPROVE THAT, THAT, UH, MAINTENANCE ON THOSE DAMS? NOT THAT I RECALL.

NO, THAT HAS TO BE.

OF COURSE I DON'T HAVE 'EM IN MY PRECINCT, BUT I KNOW OVER THERE IN YOURS YOU'VE GOT SOME HIGH HAZARD DAMS OVER THERE THAT ARE CRITICAL.

UH, I'M GONNA MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE, UH, REQUESTED AMOUNT FOR SOIL WATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT.

REMIND ME HOW MUCH THAT IS.

50,000 MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER WALDEN.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HOLT.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS THAT, LEMME TELL YOU WHY WE, WHY WE DO THIS.

UH, THESE, THERE'S 34 FLOOD FLOOD CONTROL DAMS HERE IN PARKER COUNTY.

AND THE, THE IMPACT, UH, OF NOT MAINTAINING THOSE APPROPRIATELY, UH, WOULD CAUSE BRIDGES, ROADS, AND HOMES TO BE FLOODED.

AND SO THIS MONEY GOES DIRECTLY TO MAINTENANCE OF THOSE STRUCTURES.

HAVE WE GOTTEN A REPORT BACK FROM THEM ANYTIME RECENTLY? YES.

UH, DO YOU RECALL WHEN? I JUST DON'T REMEMBER SEEING WHAT THEY, THEY, THEY BROUGHT A, A WHEN THE REQUEST THERE WAS A, A JUSTIFICATION AND, AND TOLD WHAT THE MONEY WAS USED FOR AND EVERYTHING.

AND, UH, SO THEY'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO COME ANYTIME WITH US.

YEAH, WE TALKED ABOUT THE MOWING.

IT WAS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO OR YEAH, IT, IT'S THE SAME THING ALL.

I DON'T NEED THEM TO WASTE THEIR TIME COMING UP HERE, BUT IF THEY COULD SEND A WRITTEN REPORT OF CURRENT STATUS, THAT'D BE YEAH.

YOU GET A COPY OF IT.

AND IN THE PAST, UM, IN THE PAST THERE HAVE BEEN, UH, SPECIFIC INSTANCES WHERE, UH, DIFFERENT, UH, PRECINCTS HAVE ASSISTED THEM WITH SOME PARTICULAR PROJECTS THAT, THAT IS STILL ON OUR LIST OF THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE.

AND UH, UH, I KNOW

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SO YEAH, I'LL, UH, WE'LL PASS THAT ALONG TO 'EM AS WE, UH, DO THINGS HERE.

CARRIE'S .

BRIAN, I MEAN, I'M SORRY BIANCA.

SO THE TOTAL, UM, WITH THE CHANGES TODAY, SO I HAVE THE COLA REMAINING AT 4%.

UM, THE COMMISSION PAY SCALE DIDN'T CHANGE.

THE NON-COMMISSION PAY SCALE DIDN'T CHANGE.

THE ELECTED OFFICIAL RAISES, UM, DIDN'T CHANGE.

CONSTABLE PAY INCREASE TO MATCH JP IS WHAT WE DISCUSSED TODAY FOR 45,000.

UM, SHERIFF'S PAY INCREASE, UM, 17,007, UH, 5 73.

THAT'S A TOTAL SALARY ADJUSTMENTS OF 2,964,368 .

AND WITH WHAT'S APPROVED IN THE CONTINGENCY, UM, 2 54, 250 $4,412 THAT TAKES ACCOUNT, THE 44,000 FOR THE LIBRARY.

IT JUST KIND OF A WASH, UH, FUND BALANCE IS, UM, 4 MILLION.

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA USE IN FUND BALANCE IS $4,290,471 85 CENTS IS WHERE WE'RE AT WITH, YEAH.

WHAT WAS DISCUSSED TODAY.

UH, UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER, I WOULD ASK FOR THAT.

DON'T YOU MOVE TO ADJOURN.

WE HAVE A SECOND.

THE RECORD SHOW THAT WE'LL ADJOURN AT 10 12.