* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [*A portion of this meeting is without audio*] [00:01:27] THANK YOU. ITEM C WOULD BE REVIEW, DISCUSS, AND PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS ON ANY OTHER FUNDING REQUESTS IN THE 26 27 COUNTY BUDGET. AND THEN D WOULD BE, TAKE ANY ACTION, ANY OTHER ACTION AS NEEDED, WHICH PERTAINS TO THE REVIEW OF THE PARKER COUNTY BUDGET BY THE BUDGET COMMITTEE. SO [Items I.A. - I.D.] WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE CAN START WITH ITEM A WHERE WE REVIEW, DISCUSS, AND PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS ON EXISTING AND NEW PERSONNEL REQUESTS. ON THIS BUDGET COMMITTEE, WE HAVE MRS. BECKY MCCULLOUGH, WHO IS OUR HEAD OF HR, AND OUR TREASURER AS WELL. SHE WEARS TWO HATS. BECKY, GIVEN THAT THIS PERTAINS TO PERSONNEL, DO YOU WANT TO SUGGEST AN ORDER HERE OR DO YOU WANT TO DRIVE THIS BUS? WHERE DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD START? UM, I WOULD THINK, LET'S JUST GO THROUGH THE SUMMARY PAGE THAT WE WERE PROVIDED AND JUST START AT THE TOP OF THAT. SO THE FIRST ITEM ON THIS SUMMARY PAGE IS A PERSONNEL REQUEST FROM COMMISSIONER'S COURT. OKAY. AND SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW, I HAVEN'T GOTTEN IT BACK YET. THIS, BIANCA, DO YOU HAVE A WORKBOOK FOR HER? THANK YOU, BIANCA. YOU'RE FINE. OKAY. UM, SO I BELIEVE THIS IS A, UH, UH, INCREASE IN DUTIES OF A CURRENT POSITION. UH, THE BUDGET OFFICER, GRANT COORDINATOR REQUESTING A SALARY INCREASE, UH, TO 143,000, AND THEN THE PACKET, YOU'LL SEE WHERE SHE'S PROVIDED RANGES COMPARABLE TO, UM, OTHER COUNTIES COMPARABLE IN SIZE. SO, PULLING BACK JUST A BIT, WE HAVE MANY MEETINGS SCHEDULED ALREADY FOR THIS. MY RECOMMENDATION TO THIS BODY IS THAT WE DO NOT MAKE ANY NUMERICAL DECISIONS. LAST YEAR, WE MET, WE TALKED ABOUT THE PURPOSE. WE STARTED TO REVIEW THESE ITEMS HOLISTICALLY. WE THEN CAME BACK AND WE ASSIGNED SCORES THAT WE TABULATED AND AGGREGATED INTO ONE SET OF SCORES TO, TO PROVIDE TO COMMISSIONER'S COURT. AND I BELIEVE IT WAS ON A ONE TO FIVE SCALE WITH FIVE BEING, YES, WE STRONGLY SUPPORT THIS, AND ONE BEING WE DO NOT SEE THIS AS A PRESENT NEED. AND THEN EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN, GIVEN THAT WE HAVE ROOM TO LOOK AT ALL OF THIS AND GO OVER IT A COUPLE OF TIMES AS NEEDED BEFORE, WE NEED TO MAKE THOSE NUMERICAL RECOMMENDATIONS TO COURT. I'M HESITANT TO SCORE ANYTHING TODAY BEFORE WE KIND OF WORK THROUGH ALL OF IT. IS THAT FAIR TO EVERYONE? I, I, I, I AGREE. I MEAN, IN MY OPINION, WE'RE JUST GONNA KIND OF GO THROUGH THESE REQUESTS AND, UM, THERE'S A COUPLE THAT, LIKE I HIGHLIGHTED THAT I HAVE QUESTIONS ON. YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS, YOU KNOW, A DUPLICATION, JUST SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME QUESTIONS AND THEN MAYBE AS A CONSENSUS WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION TO THE DEPARTMENT HEADS SO THEY CAN PROVIDE THAT BACK AT A LATER DATE OR POSSIBLY THROUGH THEIR BUDGET WORKSHOP TO ANSWER [00:05:01] SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS. SO I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE DID LAST TIME TOO, WAS WE HAD SOME THAT CAME BACK TO GIVING THE COURT SOME GOOD QUESTIONS TO ASK THE ELECTED OR DEPARTMENT HEADS WHEN Y'ALL HAD THE BUDGET WORKSHOP WITH THEM, UM, TO HELP Y'ALL IN MAKING YOUR DECISIONS AS WELL. CAN I ASK ON THIS ONE THAT, OKAY, SO THE POSITION, THE REQUESTED IS TO MOVE FROM WHAT TO WHAT, 1 14 4 IS CURRENT? YES. OKAY. TO WHAT WAS THE NEW PROPOSED? UM, 1 43. OKAY. SO IF IT'S OKAY WITH THE COURT, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS HAVE YOU, AS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I WILL, UH, I'LL KEEP A RUNNING LIST OF THOSE QUESTIONS. WHAT QUESTIONS DO WE HAVE ON THIS? I DO NOT HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THIS. I FEEL LIKE SHE HAS RES, YOU KNOW, SHE'S RESPONDED VERY WELL, UH, JUST TO GIVE US TIME TO GO BACK AND READ IT AND KIND OF, AND I'LL CAN, I CAN DO SOME COMPARISONS AS WELL. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? MY MAIN QUESTION WOULD BE, I MEAN, IS THERE ENOUGH WORK FOR THIS PERSON? UM, WELL, SHE'S SUPPOSED TO, I MEAN, WHO IS THIS PERSON NOW? IS THIS DIFFERENT FOR JOBS? IS THIS JASON? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BIAN. OH, OH, UNDER EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT? NO, NO, WE'RE STILL ON 4 0 1 COMMISSIONER COURT. AH, MY BAD. WE'VE THOUGHT WE WERE ON THAT ONE. SHE'S, UH, IN CHARGE OF THE, SO WE HELPING BRIANNA AND THEN THE, THE BUDGET ANALYST AS WELL AS GRANTS. GRANTS, YEAH. RIGHT. SHE HAS TWO DIFFERENT JOBS. YEAH. DID YOU PROVIDE IN HERE? I DON'T SEE IT. I KNOW I HAD SEEN SOMETHING WHERE IT HAS THE LIST OF THE GRANTS. YES. THE NEW GRANT. IS THAT IN THE PACKET? OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. SO I HAD BIANCA AND I HAD HAD A CONVERSATION AND I SAID, THAT WOULD BE A NICE THING TO DO IS SINCE SHE'S CAME, YOU KNOW, WHAT NEW GRANTS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT ON. I KNOW THAT WAS A BIG THING WHEN COURT APPROVED THIS POSITION WAS THIS POSITION ESSENTIALLY SHOULD PAY FOR ITSELF WITH THE NEW DOLLARS COMING IN FROM GRANTS. AND SO I BELIEVE BIANCA HAS PRESENTED, HAS PRESENTED THAT INFORMATION. OKAY. ARE, YEAH, IT'S RIGHT HERE. THAT'S ABOUT A 25% INCREASE THAT ARE THESE ALL NEW GRANTS? THE ONE GOTTEN, BUT LIKE, NOT, THEY'RE NOT A, A NEW GRANT OF ONE WE'VE HAD PREVIOUSLY. IT'S A TOTALLY NEW GRANT. I THINK MOST OF 'EM ARE TOTALLY NEW. YOU HAVE, BUT THE OTHERS ARE VERY POSITIVE. YEAH. BIANCA, ARE YOU DOING ALL THIS WORK NOW? YES, SIR. OKAY. IF YOU DON'T MIND SPEAKING INTO THE MICROPHONE, BIANCA, THIS SCAP IS A RENEWAL AND SBAI BELIEVE WE'VE ALSO GOTTEN, BUT ALL THE OTHERS ARE NEW THAT I'VE WORKED ON. AND THE JUVENILE JUSTICE IS ALSO A RECURRING, SO THERE'S THREE THAT ARE RECURRING, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO GO APPLY. IT'S STILL COMPETITIVE, IT'S STILL, SURE. SO THE DOCUMENTATION THAT I'M SEEING HERE REFLECTS A COUNTY BUDGET ANALYST HAS A RANGE FROM 85 TO MORE THAN 140 MM-HMM . AND THEN THE GRANT COORDINATOR POSITION HAS A RANGE FROM 55 TO 95 PLUS. IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU CORRECTLY, YOU'RE PUTTING FORTH THE POSITION THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE DOING BOTH THAT WOULD QUALIFY YOU TO BE AT THE VERY TOP END OF THEM. WELL, WITH, WELL, WITH MY EXPERIENCE AS WELL. SURE. SO THE GRANTS, I'M MID, MID THREE TO FIVE, SEVEN YEARS OF GRANTS AND THEN BUDGET ANALYSIS, 10 YEARS OF FINANCIAL AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE. OKAY. UM, AND JUST SO THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, I HAVE THE FEELING THAT WE WILL BE SAYING THIS QUITE A FEW TIMES, UM, WHEN WE'RE ASKING QUESTIONS ON THINGS LIKE THIS. AND BIANCA, I KNOW YOU KNOW THIS, BUT BECAUSE IT'S BEING RECORDED AND BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE WHO COME UP MAY NOT KNOW THIS, OUR POSITION HAS TO BE ON THIS COMMITTEE. WE'VE GOTTA ASK THE TOUGH QUESTIONS. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. BECAUSE WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO THE TAXPAYERS TO BE THE BEST FISCAL STEWARDS WE CAN BE. SOMETIMES THOSE QUESTIONS CAN BE DIRECT BECAUSE WE'RE DEALING WITH SENSITIVE MATTERS SUCH [00:10:01] AS PAY. NOTHING THAT WE ASK UP HERE IS INTENDED TO BE OFFENSIVE. IT'S JUST TO PROTECT THE TAXPAYER'S DOLLAR BECAUSE PROPERTY TAXES ARE SUCH A BURDEN ON SO MANY. SO THAT WAS NOT FOR YOU. OKAY. I UNDERSTAND. YOU JUST HAPPENED TO BE THE FIRST BE THE FIRST. YES. . SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MS. BIANCA REGARDING THIS SALARY RECLASSIFICATION? NO. I'M LIKE COMMISSIONER HALE. I'D LIKE THE PERCENTAGES TOO. AND COULD WE GET LIKE, THE PERCENTAGE RAISED FROM LAST YEAR TO THIS CURRENT YEAR AND THEN THE PROPOSED FOR NEXT YEAR? THAT WAS THE 25 THAT I CALCULATED REAL QUICK. YOU'RE AT ONE 14 FOR NOW? MM-HMM . YES, SIR. AND, UH, AND REQUESTED 1 43 5. AND THEN FROM LAST YEAR TO THIS YEAR, LAST YEAR I BELIEVE IT WAS 3% INCREASE, WHICH WAS, LAST YEAR WAS A 3% INCREASE. IT WAS A COLA. OKAY. OKAY. MM-HMM . THE YEAR BEFORE THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE YOU HERE, WE DIDN'T HAVE POSITION. RIGHT. SO THERE'S NOTHING FOR THAT. OKAY. RIGHT. MY UNDERSTANDING, UM, THIS, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME FILLING IN BOTH POSITIONS, BOTH FUNCTIONS CORRECTLY, RIGHT? YES. IT'S CORRECT. YEAH. SHE'S NOW BEEN WITH, IT'S BEEN ONE YEAR. ONE YEAR, YES. YEAH, IN JULY . YAY. OKAY. I KNOW I SAID I DIDN'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT, AND IT MAY BE IN HERE AND I'M JUST GLANCING THROUGH IT. IS THERE LIKE A BREAKDOWN OF LIKE A STEP BY STEP? LIKE, LIKE YOU FIND THE GRANT, YOU WRITE THE GRANT, KIND OF HOW THAT PROCESS GOES? IS IT, OR IS IT MORE LIKE YOU SEE AN OPPORTUNITY AND IT'S FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND SO IT'S THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE RESPONSIBILITY TO WRITE THE GRANT? IT'S A LITTLE BIT, IT'S A COMBINATION. OKAY. SO IT DEPENDS. UM, SOME DO COME ACROSS SOME, UM, SOMETIMES I DO GO RESEARCH, LIKE I'VE RESEARCHED A COUPLE RECENTLY MM-HMM . SOMETIMES THERE'S NOTHING AVAILABLE, SO YOU'RE KIND OF JUST LOOKING FOR STUFF. AND THEN THERE'S OTHERS THAT ARE PASSED ALONG FROM LIKE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. AND THEN I FORWARD ON TO SEE IF ANYONE'S INTERESTED, WHICH THERE'S ONE OUT THERE PENDING RIGHT NOW. UM, AND THEN WE'LL WORK TOGETHER TO GET IT. OKAY. BECKY, IS THERE A PHYSICIAN DESCRIPTION ON THESE? YES, I DO HAVE ONE, BUT I DID NOT PROVIDE IT IN THERE. UM, BUT I DO HAVE THE BOTH DESCRIP, BOTH JOBS. SO MAYBE AS A TAKEAWAY PROVIDE THE JOB DESCRIPTION. I'LL DO THAT. THANK YOU. YES. OF BOTH. ONE THING, GOING BACK TO WHAT COMMISSIONER HALL WAS SAYING EARLIER ABOUT THESE ARE, NONE OF THESE ARE DIRECTED AT A PERSON. CORRECT. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE IN HERE THAT DO GREAT WORK THAT WE'RE, WE MAY SAY YES TO, MAY SAY NO TO. AND REALLY IT'S, YOU GUYS MAY SAY YES OR SAY NO TO YOU, BUT, UM, I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO RECALL AND, AND FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE HEARING WHAT, WHAT PEOPLE UP HERE ARE SAYING, WE'RE PAYING THE POSITION, NOT NECESSARILY THE PERSON. CORRECT. RIGHT. AND YOU'RE IN KIND OF A WEIRD POSITION SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE YOU WORK FOR THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT, NOT A DEPARTMENT HEADER, AN ELECTED OFFICIAL. YOU ARE FOR A BUNCH OF ELECTED OFFICIALS. MM-HMM . AND I, I THINK YOU'RE ALSO A ONE OF A KIND AS OPPOSED TO ONE OF, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER MANY DEPUTIES THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS OR WHATEVER MM-HMM . UM, SO THAT'S ALSO A WEIRD THING TO DO. AND HONESTLY, I, I THINK PROBABLY FROM OUR END OF THINGS, ULTIMATELY WHATEVER RECOMMENDATION COMES FROM THIS COMMITTEE WOULD STILL BE KIND OF A RANGE AND THEN THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD PROBABLY SET PAY ON THAT. AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY OR AM I WRONG ON THAT? YOU'RE, YOU'RE CORRECT. WE'LL TAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE AND THEN, UH, COMMISSIONER COURT WILL MAKE THE FINAL DECISION ON ANYTHING LIKE THIS. AND EACH TIME WE ASK ONE OF THESE, WE HAVE ONE OF THESE ASKS LIKE THIS, BECKY, WE ALSO NEED THE ACCOMPANYING, UH, UM, BENEFITS CHANGES TO ALL THAT. OH, OKAY. YES, IT'S ON THE SECOND BECAUSE AS I'M LOOKING AT THAT NOW, THIRD ITEM ON THE SPREADSHEET WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THAT, I SEE, UH, IS IT 61 15? YES. INCREASE OF 15 1 43 WOULD BE A 61. SO ABOUT 1 49 ISH, WOULD THAT BE CORRECT? YES. INCREASE OF 28,600 TRANSLATES INTO, UM, I THINK IT'S A TOTAL INCREASE OF 34,715. CORRECT. YOU'RE RIGHT. THIS POSITION IS UNIQUE. IT'S VERY SPECIALIZED AS WELL FOR THE FRANCE FOR SURE. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, BECKY, WILL YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE PLEASE? THE NEXT ONE FOR NEW PERSONNEL IS, UH, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. UM, THE REQUEST IS FOR AN ADDITIONAL POSITION. THEY ARE ASKING FOR A FULL-TIME EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT SPECIALIST, PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER. UM, THERE'S A MEMO ATTACHED IN YOUR PACKETS WITH A POSITION OVERVIEW, DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES. I THOUGHT WE HAD AN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT SPECIALIST. [00:15:02] I THOUGHT MR. EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT IS CURRENTLY STAFFED BY THE DIRECTOR, AND THEN THERE'S AN ASSISTANT AND THEN THERE'S OFF ALSO AN OFFICE MANAGER ALREADY. UM, MY QUESTION ON THIS WOULD BE, I MEAN, I I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WE'VE HAD SOME SEVERE WEATHER IN THIS YEAR, AND I KNOW THERE WAS A PERIOD OF TIME WHERE I'M SURE THEY WERE BUSY HOPPING, BUT YOU KNOW, ANYTIME I SEE A PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER FOR A DEPARTMENT, I GO BACK TO, ISN'T THAT THE DEPARTMENT HEAD OR ISN'T THAT THE ELECTED OFFICIAL? AND SO I I, I WILL HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS ON THIS FOR MR. LANE. HE'S NOT HERE. UM, THAT'S JUST MY 2 CENTS FOR RIGHT NOW. WELL, I I THOUGHT HE WAS THAT SPECIALIST, BUT HE'S ONE. YEAH. AND, AND AGAIN, I, I UNDERSTAND IT WAS VERY BUSY DURING THAT TIME PERIOD AND I'M SURE AS PARKER COUNTY'S GROWING AND I'M SURE THERE'S GONNA BE MORE THINGS HAPPEN. THIS IS JUST ONE OF THOSE THAT I KIND OF STARRED AS HAVING ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. I BELIEVE THE SALARY THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR IS 65,000. SO I THINK WHAT'S ON THE SUMMARY IS THAT FULL-TIME OR PART-TIME? IT'S, UM, FULL-TIME. IT'S FULL-TIME. AND I'M LOOKING AT THE SALARY, INCLUDING BENEFITS OF 1 0 6 7 3 8. YEAH, THERE'S, UM, ON THE SUMMARY IT SAYS 1 12 8 14, SO THAT MAY HAVE INCLUDED MAYBE SOME NEW FURNITURE OR COMPUTER OR SOMETHING IN THAT. OKAY. SO WHAT QUESTIONS WOULD THIS COURT HAVE? IT WOULD BE, IF I'M SUMMARIZING YOUR QUESTION, BECKY, IF I HEAR IT RIGHT, BASICALLY, UM, HELP US UNDERSTAND HOW THESE RESPONSIBILITIES DIFFER FROM, FROM THE DIRECTOR. DON'T ALREADY FALL UNDER YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES AS A DIRECTOR. YES. WELL, I, I THINK I WANNA POINT OUT THAT THE, THE ADDITIONAL REQUEST, THERE'S ANOTHER $6,076 FOR OVERTIME. YES. SO THIS GOES BACK TO, UM, SOME DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE ALREADY HAD IN COURT, YOU KNOW, THIS YEAR ABOUT IF IN THESE INSTANCES, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO PAY OVERTIME INSTEAD OF COMP TIME. UM, I BELIEVE HE PUT IN A $5,000 OVERTIME BUDGET TO WHERE IF COURT APPROPRIATED THAT MONEY, THEN HE WOULD BE ABLE TO DECIDE ON HIS OWN. IF THIS DEEMED SIMILAR, KINDA LIKE TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, HOW THEY HAVE SOME SPECIAL OVERTIME PAY. BASICALLY IT WOULD BE SPECIAL OVERTIME PAY FOR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. AND MY ONLY QUESTION WOULD BE BACK TO MY ORIGINAL ONE WHEN I WAS OUT OF ORDER, WOULD THERE BE ENOUGH WORK FOR THIS NEW POSITION? YEAH. AND THEY'RE KIND OF LIKE, I THINK YOUR QUESTIONS AS WELL. YEAH, AB ABSOLUTELY. AND I MEAN, I, I TOTALLY, I, I UNDERSTAND, BUT I, I ALWAYS JUST GO BACK TO IF SOMEONE HAD A QUESTION ABOUT HR OR THE TREASURER OFFICE, I'M THE ONE THAT'S GONNA ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. I'M NOT GONNA ASK SOMEBODY TO STEP IN. SO THAT'S JUST MY, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT, WRONG, OR INDIFFERENT. BUT, UM, THOSE ARE QUESTIONS I WOULD HAVE FOR HIM. ALRIGHT. SO THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE ARE TO WHAT, TO WHAT DEGREE DOES THIS NOT ALREADY FALL UNDER THE DIRECTOR ROLE? HELP US UNDERSTAND THIS REQUESTED OVERTIME AND CAN YOU PROVIDE A JUSTIFICATION IN TERMS OF WORKLOAD FOR THE NEW POSITION? YEP. ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY, NEXT ITEM, BECKY. UM, SO NEXT WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO, LOOKS LIKE JP ONE, THEY ARE ASKING FOR A RECLASSIFICATION OF A COURT CLERK POSITION TO AN ASSISTANT COURT COORDINATOR POSITION. THIS IS SIMILAR TO WHAT IS ALREADY BEING DONE IN, I BELIEVE ALL THE OTHER JP OFFICES HAVE THIS, I BELIEVE JP ONE. UM, TYPICALLY THESE FUNDS ARE USED FROM THEIR TECHNOLOGY BUDGETS. I DON'T KNOW THAT JP ONE HAS THE TECHNOLOGY BUDGET TO SUPPORT THIS. BRIANNA, CAN YOU COMMENT ON THAT? WE CAN FIND THAT OUT, BUT, RIGHT. YEAH. AND THEN THEY ARE ALSO ASKING, AND I BELIEVE THIS IS CONTINGENT, UM, MY PACKET'S A LITTLE, BECKY, CAN YOU CONFIRM THOSE OTHER JPS, THE NEW POSITIONS THERE, ARE THEY FULLY FUNDED VIA THAT TECH FUND OR YES, PARTIALLY YES. FULLY. OKAY. [00:20:01] FOR, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE DIRECTION OF THE COURT IS TO USE THAT TECHNOLOGY FUND. THAT'S WHAT I RECALL. BUT Y'ALL WOULD KNOW THE TRANSFER OF DOLLARS? YEAH, AS FAR AS I'M AWARE SO FAR THAT THEY'VE, THEY'RE FULLY FUNDED BY TECHNOLOGY AT THIS TIME. OKAY. WHAT OTHER QUESTIONS DO WE HAVE? UM, THERE IS ALSO AN ASK FOR ANOTHER POSITION, BUT I BELIEVE THERE IS A REQUEST FOR A, UM, RENOVATION TO THE SPRINGTOWN ANNEX. AND SO I BELIEVE SOME OF THESE, THAT IS GONNA BE A CONTINGENT ON IF THERE'S MORE SPACE, RIGHT? THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MORE STAFF, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY ROOM TO PUT ON. THEY DON'T HAVE ROOM FOR ANOTHER ONE UNLESS WE CAN BUILD A, ANOTHER BUILDING, A LITTLE BIT MODULAR, A MODULAR PORTABLE BUILDING. WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE TRYING FOR. SO, SO AGAIN, BECKY, THEY'RE ASKING FOR TWO POSITIONS. THEY'RE ASKING FOR ONE FULLTIME, A RECLASSIFICATION OF ONE, AND THEN, AND THEN ANOTHER, A NEW POSITION. YES. CONTINGENT ON A REMODEL. THIS IS A GP ONE? YES. OKAY. FOR THOSE WHO, UH, MAY, IT MAY HAVE BEEN A LITTLE BIT SINCE YOU'VE BEEN THERE, THAT'S A SMALL LOBBY. YOU HAVE AUTO REGISTRATION, YOU HAVE THE JP AND THEY ARE, UH, I'VE BEEN THERE. THEY'RE, THEY'RE A LOT CLOSER THAN ME TO MR. HEISER, I'LL PUT IT THAT WAY. AND THE CONSTABLES ARE ALL IN THERE TOO. CONSTABLES IN THERE. IF THE JPS TRYING TO HOLD COURT, THERE'S NOT REALLY ROOM TO PUT A LOT OF PEOPLE. SO I THINK I DON'T HAVE A STRONG RECOMMENDATION YET ON EXACTLY WHICH DIRECTION WE GO. BUT IF YOU TALK TO AUTO REGISTRATION AND YOU TALK TO THE JP AND YOU TALK TO THE CONSTABLE, THEY ALL HAVE SIMILAR, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IDEAS ON WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, BUT THEY ALL STRONGLY AGREE THAT SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE AND SEEING IT IN PERSON, I WOULD, I WOULD DEFINITELY AGREE WITH THAT. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. YEAH. I SEE PEOPLE LINED UP OUT THE DOOR ALL THE TIME UP THERE. YEAH, IT'S A BUSY GOOD. YES. BUSY PLACE. BUSY PLACE. BUT THE CONSTABLE, HE'LL BE COMING AND TALKING ABOUT OUR BUILDING. SO THEY HAVE, WHAT IS THEIR, I DON'T, IT'S NOT IN HERE MAYBE, OR MAYBE I'M JUST NOT SEEING IT. IS THEY, IS THE, UH, GP ONE STAFF, HOW MANY COURT CLERKS DO THEY HAVE VERSUS, I GUESS THEY HAVE A COURT COORDINATOR ASKING SYSTEM? THEY DON'T SAY IN THIS PAPERWORK. IT DOES SAY NO. OKAY. I DIDN'T SEE IT. THERE'S NOT, I DON'T SEE A WORKFLOW. YEAH. I JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE FOUR TOTAL PEOPLE. ONE'S THE COORDINATOR, ONE'S THE ASSISTANT COORDINATOR, AND YOU GOT TWO PEOPLE THAT AREN'T I AGREE. HAVING THE TITLE LIKE THAT. RIGHT. I JUST, I DUNNO HOW MANY STAFF THEY HAVE. I THINK IT'S THE JUDGE AND FOUR IS WHAT I BELIEVE. ONE OF THEM BEING THE COURT COORDINATOR. MM-HMM . SO THEY WANT TO HAVE THE JUDGE, THE COURT COORDINATOR AND ASSISTANT COURT COORDINATOR AND THREE CLERKS WITH THE ADDITIONAL PERK. THAT WOULD BE MY UNDERSTANDING. YEAH. WITH THE NEW PERSON. OKAY. I THINK WE'RE GONNA SEE SIMILAR REQUESTS FOR THE NEXT TWO DEPARTMENTS FOR JP TWO AND JP THREE ARE ALL ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL COURT CLERKS. I, I DO WANNA SAY THAT THIS FILE, THIS, UM, PAPERWORK HERE HAS THE DETAILS. OKAY. UM, IF YOU GO TO, IT'S LIKE THE FOURTH OR FIFTH PAGE, MAYBE TWO PAGES ON NUMBER SIX. YEAH. THEY'RE NOT, SORRY, SIX ON THE SEVENTH PAGE IT START WHERE IT STARTS, THE PERSONNEL AND THAT GIVES YOU THE ITEMIZED LIST OF FOR EACH, THE POSITIONS ON THIS ONE, IT'S ON THIS ONE, ON THE TYPE. I SEE, OKAY. COMMON PERSONNEL. YEAH. YEAH. AND JUST A SIDE NOTE, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'RE SEEING ALL THIS STUFF. IF WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND KIND OF, YOU SEE THIS FLIPPING AROUND, THAT IS VERY DIFFICULT. YES. AND ESPECIALLY THESE THAT DON'T HAVE STAFFING, I, I WOULD LIKE TO STAFFING. RIGHT. UH, CHART OF SOME SORT MM-HMM . SO WE KNOW, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE ADDING PEOPLE. YEAH, NO, I AGREE. UM, JP TWO, AGAIN, THEY DO HAVE A FLOW CHART, AN ORGANIZATION CHART ON HERE. SO YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE THAT THERE IS THE, UM, OF COURSE JUDGE GREEN, THERE IS A COURT COORDINATOR, AN ASSISTANT COORDINATOR, A COLLECTIONS CLERK, AND THEN TWO COURT CLERKS, AND THEY'RE ASKING FOR AN ADDITION OF A THIRD CLERK. IT SAYS OUR NEW CLERK WOULD BE OVER ELECTRONIC FILINGS FOR CIVIL CASES AND ASSISTANT INCOMING CIVIL CASE DOCUMENTS. THAT WAY [00:25:01] ASSISTANT COORDINATOR WOULD HELP MORE IN SCHEDULING OF CIVIL CASES. WHAT QUESTIONS DO WE HAVE IN GENERALITIES? I THINK FOR ANY NEW POSITION IS, IS THE WORK BEING DONE CURRENTLY? IS IT GETTING DONE RIGHT? YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY AT 5:00 PM IS ALL THEIR WORK FINISHED AND THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO STAY, OH, YOU KNOW, WORK OVERTIME TO FINISH IT. OR THEY HAVE A PILE ON THEIR DESK THE NEXT MORNING WAITING ON THEM. AND IF IT IS GETTING DONE, DO THEY TRULY NEED ANOTHER PERSON? I THINK THE OTHER MIGHT BE, UH, INFORMATION REGARDING THE, UH, AMOUNT OF WORK THAT THE, THE WORKLOAD AND COMPARED WITH PRIOR YEARS. AND THAT WOULD NOT BE THE ONES THAT JUST, UH, WHERE THEY JUST PAY TICKETS. IT BE ACTUAL OTHER, I MEAN THE, THE CASE FILINGS WILL BE A VERY LARGE NUMBER AND WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST, AND THEN WE HAVE TO SIFT THROUGH THAT TO SOME DEGREE TO FIND OUT WHAT ACTUALLY GETS DONE. SO YEAH, I I WOULD ASK FOR THAT TYPE OF INFORMATION. YOU'RE SAYING A DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF CASE FILES BECAUSE A TRAFFIC TICKET VERSUS SOMETHING THAT'S LIKE WHAT Y'ALL ARE HANDLING? YEAH, THEY, I KNOW THAT I'VE DIFFERENT WORK JUST FROM CONVERSATIONS WITH VARIOUS JPS. THEY GET A LOT OF, UH, COLLECTIONS CASES THESE DAYS AND THOSE DO TAKE MORE TIME, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, CREDIT CARDS, THEY'RE PAST DUE OR HOSPITAL BILLS OR WHATEVER. I GUESS WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE THEN IS, YOU KNOW, A, A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT THE CASE LOAD THOSE CASES ARE AND WHAT CATEGORY THEY FALL INTO. SO THEY WOULD GIVE US A BETTER IDEA, I THINK, AND IT'S SOMETHING I BELIEVE THAT WE LOOKED AT LAST YEAR AS WELL, WAS A COMPARISON OF WHAT DID THE CASELOADS LOOK TWO YEARS AGO, WHAT DID THEY LOOK LIKE LAST YEAR? YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW ARE THE CASELOADS GETTING HEAVIER? RIGHT. AND THEN I, I GUESS IT'S ALWAYS A, A, A DIFFICULT SITUATION WHEN WE GET, UH, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT PRECINCTS OF THE SAME DEPARTMENT THAT ALL HAVE THE SAME NEEDS BASED AND I'M NOT SURE THAT THE WORKLOAD IS THE SAME IN EVERY DEPARTMENT. YES. THAT'S, THAT WAS A, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOES. AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A FAIR REPRESENTATION, BUT AS FAR AS REVENUES INCOMING FROM FEES OF OFFICE, UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY JP ONE IS, IS, COMES IN I GUESS FOURTH PLACE, I MEAN THE LEAST AMOUNT. SO I'M GONNA ASSUME THERE'S SOME KIND OF CORRELATION BETWEEN WORKLOAD AND THE AMOUNT OF FEES OF OFFICE COMING IN. YEAH. I, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET MORE INFORMATION TO HELP MAKE A ABSOLUTELY. A DECISION BASED ON FAIRNESS RATHER THAN NO, I AGREE. I MEAN, I SEE THEIR DEPOSITS, I SEE, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH IS DONE ELECTRONICALLY VERSUS, I MEAN, EVEN IF IT'S AN ELECTRONIC DEPOSIT OR SOMEBODY WALKING IN, THERE'S A CLERK WORKING THAT DEPOSIT, YOU KNOW, PUTTING IT WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE. SO I HAVE MY RANKING, YOU KNOW, IN MY BRAIN BASED ON WHAT I SEE EVERY DAY OF WHO DOES THE MOST OR WHO HAS, WHO'S THE BUSIEST. WHAT I'M GETTING AROUND TO IS WE NEED MORE INFORMATION TO HELP MAKE A DECISION. NOT THROWING ROCKS AT ANYBODY, BUT WE NEED MORE INFORMATION THAN WHAT WE'RE PROVIDING HERE TODAY. WELL, AND IT'D BE EASIER TOO IF WE HAD ALL OF THE, IF WE HAD GLOBAL INFORMATION YES. FOR ALL FOUR JUSTICE OF THE PIECE. YES. AND I WILL POINT OUT, THE ONLY JUSTICE OF THE PIECE THAT IS NOT ASKING FOR A NEW EMPLOYEE IS JP FORD. THEY'RE NOT. OKAY. AND I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE WORKLOAD THERE VERSUS ALL. THEY DO A LOT OTHERS. YES. AND THERE'S A LOT. JP FORD DOES A LOT. YEAH. YEAH. SOMEBODY'S WORKING PRETTY EFFICIENTLY. YES, I WOULD AGREE. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MY OFFICE? NO, . DON'T BE SALTY 'CAUSE YOU'RE HEADING THE TRANSPORTATION DEAL NOW. SO QUESTIONS I HAVE RECORDED SO FAR PROVIDE A WORKLOAD JUSTIFICATION, INCLUDING A BREAKDOWN OF THE CASE FILE TYPES, PROVIDE A BREAKDOWN OF THE AVERAGE WORK HOURS FOR EACH CASE FILE TYPE. WHAT ELSE? WELL, I WILL SAY, I JUST LOOKING AT JP THREE'S INFORMATION THAT THEY PROVIDED, YES. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THAT FOR EVERY ONE OF THE FOUR JP COURTS, FRANKLY. YEP. YOU KNOW, YOU HATE TO ASK THE JP FOUR FOLKS TO DO STUFF WHEN THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR PERSONNEL, BUT IT REALLY WOULD BE HELPFUL AND INSIGHTFUL IN LOOKING AT THE OTHER THREES. UM, AND THEN ALSO STAFFING. NEED STAFFING. I, I, I THINK THAT IF, UM, IT'D BE INTERESTING IF WE ASK THE WORK HOURS PER TYPE AND THEN YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO REVIEW ACROSS THE FORM. YEAH. I ALSO DON'T KNOW HOW GRANULAR THEIR INFORMATION IS ON THEIR CASE DETAILS, BECAUSE I KNOW OURS CAN BE FRUSTRATINGLY UNINFORMATIVE AT TIMES. UM, YOU KNOW, WE GET THE STUFF FROM THE OFFICE COURT ADMINISTRATION, ANYTHING ELSE WE HAVE TO DIG INTO. AND YOU'RE ACTUALLY COUNTING DEANS TIMES A THOUSAND [00:30:01] WHATEVER CASES. AND THAT'S VERY LABOR INTENSIVE. AGAIN, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE TO POINT TO, BUT WE NEED MORE INFORMATION. THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE NEED MORE INFORMATION ABSOLUTELY. TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. THEY DID, UH, JP THREE DID PROVIDE A CHART WITH ALL THE WARRANTS DO. RIGHT? I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE, DID YOU SEE THAT? I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S ON THERE. YEAH, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE IT, HAVE IT FROM ONE TWO, AND EVEN THOUGH FOUR'S NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING, DO YOU HAVE I THINK IT SAYS JP. I HAVE COMPAR. IT HAS A COMPARISON OF ALL TH ALL FOUR. OH YEAH, IT HAS ALL FOUR. OH, COOL. OKAY. AND JP THREE'S GOT ALL FOUR OF 'EM. MM-HMM . OKAY. THERE'S THERE. EXCELLENT. THERE WE GO. YEAH, THAT'S, IT'S SMALL. SORRY. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE. YEAH. AND THIS IS GREAT INFORMATION AND JUST SOME OF THE INFORMATION I HAVE. I HAVE A, I THINK JP ONE HAS THE JUSTICE HIMSELF OR THE JUDGE, AND FOUR CLERKS, UH, PRECINCTS, TWO AND FOUR'S THE JUDGE AND FIVE CLERKS. AND PRECINCT THREE IS THE JUDGE AND SIX CLERKS. AND I'M CALLING, YOU KNOW, STAFF, I'M CALLING CLERKS, BUT WHAT ABOUT JP FOUR? WHAT DOES JP FOUR HAVE? JP FOUR HAS THE JUDGE, AND THEN FIVE STAFF THE SAME AS TWO. SO ONE IS JUDGE AND THREE SERGEANT, YOUR NO, I DIDN'T. NOTES ONE AND FOUR. ONE AND FOUR ARE JUDGE PLUS JUDGE PLUS FOUR FOR WHAT? FOR JP? ONE FOR ONE, AND THEN TWO IS ONE PLUS FIVE. THREE IS FIVE. ONE PLUS SIX FOR THREE FOR THREE AND ONE PLUS FIVE FOR FOUR. AND, AND IF YOU LOOK AT REVENUES BROUGHT IN, IT'S, IT KIND OF CORRELATES WITH THAT WHERE THREE IS HISTORICALLY THE HIGHEST. SO I'M ASSUMING THAT THEIR CASE LOADS IS HIGHEST OF AMONG THE JP OFFICERS. YES. AND ONE IS, UH, GENERALLY HISTORICALLY THE LOWEST. RIGHT. SO I, I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE A CORRELATION THERE FOR THE STANDARD REASON. OKAY. UM, I KNOW THERE IS A RECLASS FOR JP FOUR. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR THAT IN THIS PACKET. DOES ANYONE ELSE? NO. OKAY. UM, IT, I BELIEVE IT TIES TO AN ELECTED OFFICIAL SALARY INCREASE. ALL FOUR ARE ASKING FOR THAT. OKAY. SO I OUT ONE, SAME FOR ALL FOUR. OKAY. SO I DON'T. OKAY. UM, SO THAT'S, IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A FIVE PAGE LETTER ON THAT IN HERE, IF I'M READING THIS CORRECTLY. YES. SORRY, I'M TRYING TO FIND THE EXACT NUMBER. SO WHAT WOULD, IF YOU ADD IT UP HERE, UH, IN SALARY BENEFITS 37 9 74. YEAH, I'M TRYING TO SEE IF THERE'S A BREAKDOWN OF FOR THE JUSTICE OF THE PIECE. YES. OR ALL OF THEM. IS THAT CORRECT? FOR EACH ONE? FOR EACH ONE ALL. SO THE ARGUMENT THAT'S BEING MADE IS STATEMENTS WERE MADE AND I'M, I'M JUST READING FROM THERE. JUSTIFICATION HERE. I'M NOT VERIFYING OR DISPUTING WHAT'S BEING SAID. I'M SIMPLY READING WHAT'S SAID HERE IS THAT THE JPS WERE GIVEN AN INCREASE TO MATCH, I'M SORRY, THE CONSTABLES LAST YEAR WERE GIVEN AN INCREASE TO MATCH THAT AT THE JPS. BUT WHAT WAS NOT CONSIDERED IN THAT WAS THAT THE CONSTABLES DO HAVE A VEHICLE ALLOWANCE. SO WHEN THE EFFORT WAS MADE TO MATCH THEM, BUT IT DIDN'T INCLUDE THE FACT THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE A VEHICLE ALLOWANCE THAT MAKES THE CONSTABLES EFFECTIVELY MAKE THE VEHICLE ALLOWANCE MORE THAN THE JPS. UM, PERSONALLY, AND, AND, AND THIS, THESE ARE MY OWN THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS ONLY, I'M NOT PARTICULARLY SWAYED BY THE ARGUMENT OF PERSON A MAKES THIS, THEREFORE PERSON B SHOULD MAKE THAT. AND WHEN I SAY PERSON, I'M TALKING MORE POSITION. I DON'T KNOW THAT [00:35:01] DIFFERENT POSITIONS. I THINK OBVIOUSLY THERE SHOULD BE SOME DEGREE OF COMPARISON, BUT I THINK IT'S A RACE TO THE BOTTOM. IF WE ALL TRY TO RUN AROUND CHASING EACH OTHER'S SALARIES, WE DO NEED TO KEEP IN MIND THAT WE ARE PUBLIC SERVANTS, WE'RE SERVING THE TAXPAYER AND TAXES ARE PAID VIA PROPERTY TAXES, WHICH TALK TO A LOT OF FOLKS WHO MAYBE OTHER THAN WATER AND TRAFFIC AND NOW DATA CENTERS, PROPERTY TAXES ARE AN EXTREMELY HIGH CONCERN FOR THEM. SO I WOULD JUST SUGGEST THAT WE AS A COUNTY BE VERY CAUTIOUS IN ENGAGING IN THAT APPROACH. WELL, AND TO THAT POINT, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL EVEN TOO EARLY TO TO KNOW LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF AND WHAT KIND OF ADDITIONAL FUNDS ARE COMING INTO THE COUNTY FOR BUDGET PURPOSES. BUT AS I, YOU KNOW, TALKED LAST YEAR ON THIS COMMITTEE, IT'S ABOUT AFFORDABILITY. YOU KNOW, OF COURSE EVERYONE WANTS TO, YOU KNOW, RECEIVE A RAISE AND WANTS MORE MONEY AND YOU KNOW, WE ARE GROWING COUNTY, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT CAN WE AFFORD? AND IT IS NEVER A GOOD IDEA TO GO INTO FUND BALANCE FOR RAISES OR NEW POSITIONS OR SOMETHING THAT'S AN ADDED COST TO THE BUDGET EVERY YEAR. AND YOU KNOW, I KNOW THE COURT HAD TO TAKE A LOT OF MONEY FROM FUND BALANCE LAST YEAR AND THAT'S JUST NOT SUSTAINABLE TO KEEP DOING THAT. I WAS A BIG PROPONENT LAST YEAR OF EVERYBODY JUST GOT THE SAME, YOU KNOW, BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NEEDS AND DIFFERENT OPINIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT, UH, I WILL SAY ON THIS SCALE THOUGH, FROM WHAT WAS DONE LAST YEAR, IT'S NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT, UH, THE SCALE THAT WAS PUT FORTH REFERENCED 10 YEARS, NOT EIGHT YEARS. THAT'S REFERENCED IN THIS LETTER. THESE NUMBERS AREN'T RIGHT WITH THE SALARIES. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THE CONSTABLES DO NOT RECEIVE A VEHICLE ALLOWANCE. THEY GET A VEHICLE BECAUSE THEY ARE LAW ENFORCEMENT. SO THAT IS A PARKER COUNTY VEHICLE. THEY DO NOT RECEIVE A VEHICLE ALLOWANCE, WHICH RESTRICTS THEIR ABILITY TO USE THAT JUST FOR CORRECT. GOING ON VACATION OR WHATEVER. CORRECT. SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, AS OPPOSED TO VEHICLE ALLOWANCE WHERE YOU COULD USE THE VEHICLES THAT YOU BUY WITH THE ALLOWANCE FOR WHATEVER YOU WANT. CORRECT. YEP. BECKY, I FEEL LIKE THOSE ARE VERY IMPORTANT CLARIFICATIONS. THANK YOU. YEAH. WHILE WE'RE KIND OF ON THAT TOPIC, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE SCOPE OF THIS COMMITTEE OR OR ANOTHER COMMITTEE LOOK AT, AT SALARY STRUCTURES THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE COUNTY. AMEN. THAT'S FROM CLERICAL STAFF TO EVERYBODY PUTTING RANGES MINIMUM MAXIMUM. AND I THINK HELPING THIS COURT MAKES SOME JUST SOME EASIER DECISIONS. WELL, AND WE HAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DID THAT A FEW YEARS AGO. AGAIN, JOBS, JOB DESCRIPTIONS ARE, YOU KNOW, A LIVING DOCUMENT. THEY CHANGE EVERY DAY. NEW LAWS ARE PASSED, NEW THINGS ARE REQUIRED OF, OF DIFFERENT OFFICES. YOU KNOW, SOME OF THIS IS GONNA BE WHY THEY'RE ASKING FOR NEW STAFF IS BECAUSE OF SOME NEW LAW THAT CAME OUT THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO BE COMPLIANT WITH. I THINK WE'RE GONNA SEE THAT WITH SOME OF THE CONSTABLES. BUT NO, I DON'T DISAGREE THAT LOOKING AT A SALARY, YOU KNOW, DOING AN INTERNAL SALARY COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT SOME OF THESE SALARIES AGAIN, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST, IT SEEMS LIKE SOME PEOPLE COME UP WITH NEW TITLES TO TO YES. TO KIND OF YES. FLOAT IN A NEW RAISE, JUST, UH, YES. AND I JUST, I THINK IT'S VERY, VERY DIFFICULT ON THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT TO, TO DECIPHER ALL THAT. SURE. YEAH. WE JUST GOT THIS AND WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, OUR HEADS ARE SPINNING RIGHT NOW. YEP. MR. HEER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO VOLUNTEER FOR THE COMMITTEE? WHAT? I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR THAT. WOULD, HE WOULD BE, WE CAN REPEAT IT LOUDER IF YOU WANT MR. HEISER MANY TIMES AS YOU NEED. BY THE WAY, DID WE SKIP DOWN TO CONSTABLE? IS THAT WHAT WE DID? I'M NOT, I'M JUST TRYING TO CATCH UP. YEAH, NO. WELL, SO THE CONSTABLE CAME UP ONLY BECAUSE IN THE JP REQUEST, THEY REFERENCED THE FACT THAT CONSTABLES WERE RAISED TO MATCH THEM, BUT THAT'S NOT ACCORDING TO THEIR REQUEST ARGUMENT NECESSARILY TO USE A SIMPLE WORD FAIR, BECAUSE CONSTABLES ALSO GET A VEHICLE. THAT'S, THAT'S HOW CONSTABLES CAME. OH, OKAY. BUT IN HERE IN REFERENCE, THEY GOT THE ALLOWANCE, CORRECT? NOT CORRECT. YES. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. IT'S NOT CORRECTS. CORRECT. CORRECT. YES. ALL NOT, IT DOES LOOK LIKE THEY'RE ALSO MAKING AN ARGUMENT, COMPARING SOME OTHER OFFICES AND WHAT THEY'RE MAKING IN OTHER COUNTIES. YES, THEY ARE. COMPARED TO WHERE THEY ARE. YES. SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE MAKING NOT JUST AN ARGUMENT BASED ON THE VEHICLE, BUT ALSO JUST THAT THEY'RE UNDERPAID IS IS THE ARGUMENT THAT THEY'RE MAKING. WHICH, WHICH AGAIN MAY OR MAY NOT BE, UH, AN ACCURATE COMPARISON DEPENDING OFF THE WORKLOAD IS IN ANOTHER COUNTY MM-HMM . AND WHAT THE RESPONSIBILITIES ARE IN A DIFFERENT COUNTY AS WELL. WELL, AND WITH THE OTHER JOBS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT COMPARING TO THE OTHER JPS CORRECT. COMPARED TO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT POSITIONS. BUT ALL OTHER MOSTLY ELECTED OFFICIALS. NO. ALL OTHER ELECTED S THAT DOCUMENT I'LL MENTION THE TAX SALARY SERVICE. [00:40:01] YES. LATER IN WEEK. PERFECT. SO I HAVE, I HAVE A COPY OF IT, BUT IT'S NOT THE FINAL ONE. IT'S BECAUSE I PROVIDED IT TO THE COUNTY. SO I DID ASK WHEN IT PUBLISHED. AND SO THE FINAL PUBLISHED REPORT, THEY SAID WE'LL BE LATER NEXT WEEK. IS THAT EVERY TWO YEARS? YES. YES. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THE JP? I THINK IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION TO DISSEMINATE IF WE CAN MOVE ALONG . OKAY. NOT SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON ONE PARTICULAR ONE RIGHT NOW. SO THE NEXT IS A, UM, THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE MEDICAL INVESTIGATION. I BELIEVE THIS IS A RECLASS THAT I BELIEVE WAS REQUESTED LAST YEAR AS WELL FOR A INCREASE TO THE CHIEF INVESTIGATOR'S PAY. UM, ON THE SUMMARY, IT'S A TOTAL OF 8,497. I DON'T HAVE, I MEAN, I'M GUESSING THAT'S GONNA INCLUDE BENEFITS. SO I'M NOT, THAT'S PROBABLY AN INCREASE OF 7,500 TO $8,000 IN SALARY. 7,000. 7,000. OKAY. OKAY. THERE'S JUST A LETTER IN MY PACKET. LOOKS LIKE SHE'S COMPARING TO JOHNSON COUNTY. UM, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? INFORMATION AGAIN, WHAT IS IT NOW? UH, SHE'S ASKING TO GO TO 94,765. 9 65. YEAH. SO I BELIEVE SHE'S AROUND 87 RIGHT NOW. SHE'S AT 87 AROUND BETWEEN 87 88 I BELIEVE RIGHT NOW. SO THIS IS FOR THE DEPARTMENT HEAD? YES. I HAVE 87. 965 IS YOUR CAR? 87. 9 65 I, OKAY. I HAVE A GREAT FLASH DRIVE IN MY BAG OVER THERE. I LEFT OVER THERE. YEAH. YEAH. THANK YOU. UM, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH INFORMATION. I, I THINK OKAY. COMPARED WITH OTHER COUNTIES, SALARY MEANS NOTHING TO ME. RIGHT. BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF SOMEONE WHO DOES THE SAME JOB IN ANOTHER COUNTY. CORRECT. UM, I, I THINK A COMPARISON PERHAPS OF WHAT WORKLOAD, UH, TIME SPENT ACTUALLY, UH, INVESTIGATING THOSE TYPES OF INFORMATION OR THOSE IS THE INFORMATION THAT I NEED. SCHEDULE. I KNOW THEY HAVE A UNIQUE SCHEDULE IN THAT DEPARTMENT OF ON CALLS AND ROTATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AS WELL. CORRECT. AND I THINK WHEN WE GET THAT INFORMATION, WE NEED TO BE, UM, SPECIFIC ON THE PARAMETERS OF THE INFORMATION TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S PRESENTED. BECAUSE I DO KNOW THEY HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT MANNER OF SCHEDULING. YES. AND SO MAKING SURE IT GETS TRANSLATED TO SOMETHING THAT WE UNDERSTAND, I THINK IS GONNA BE HELPFUL. OUR, OUR MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE HAS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF SCHEDULING THAN MAYBE JOHNSON COUNTY DOES. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. I'M SAYING RME VERSUS THE PRECINCT BARN OR A CLERK'S OFFICE. OH. OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S DIFFERENT FROM ANYTHING ELSE IN THE COUNTY THAT I'M AWARE OF. YES. I WOULD SAY THAT THAT MIGHT BE A PRETTY DECENT COMP THOUGH, TO JOHNSON COUNTY BECAUSE THEY'RE BOTH UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE, THE TARRANT COUNTY MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE. THEY BOTH, PRESUMABLY WE HAVE SAME, THE SIMILAR ROLES. UM, AND THEY'RE BOTH IN, YOU KNOW, OUTLINING ADJACENT TO TARRANT COUNTY COUNTIES. SO THAT'S NOT A BAD COMP. YEAH. AND SHE DID THAT LAST YEAR. SHE COMPARED HER SALARY TWO JOHNSONS MM-HMM . AND TALKED ABOUT THE TYPE OF WORK SAME AS JOHNSON. MM-HMM . THEY HAD A DIFFERENT REQUEST LAST YEAR TOO. RIGHT. RELATED TO STAFFING OR SHE MAY HAVE OR SOMETHING, BUT ON HER SALARY MM-HMM . SHE WAS COMPARING IT TO JOHNSON. YEAH. YEAH. I DO FEEL LIKE THERE WAS MAYBE A STAFFING REQUEST LAST YEAR TOO, WHICH I KNOW THERE WAS A PART-TIME POSITION GIVEN AND A CLERICAL, I THINK IT WAS REQUEST PER CLERICAL. OKAY. YES. IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN PART-TIME OR FULL-TIME, I DON'T RECALL. YES. AND THEN SHE RECLASSED THE PART-TIME CLERICAL TO A PART-TIME INVESTIGATOR TO HELP WITH THE SCHEDULING. I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. SO THE, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M CAPTURING ALL THE INFORMATION [00:45:01] THAT WE NEED TO REQUEST WRAPPING BACK UP TO THE JPS AND THAT SALARY DISCUSSION, BASICALLY GIVE US SOME MORE INFORMATION AS TO WHY YOU THINK YOUR INCREASE SHOULD MATCH WHEN THE VEHICLE ALLOWANCE IS NOT THE SAME AS GETTING A VEHICLE THAT'S, YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO DRIVE TO AND FROM WORK. BUT NOW MOVING BACK ON TO THE CHIEF MEDICAL EXAMINER, PLEASE PROVIDE WORKLOAD INFORMATION, ACTUAL TIME SPENT INVESTIGATING SCHEDULING BREAKDOWN BY TYPE, AND THEN ALSO DIG MORE INTO THE JOHNSON COUNTY COMPARISON TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S APPLES TO APPLES. AM I MISSING ANYTHING? YEAH, NO, I AGREE. OKAY. I THINK WE'RE GOOD THERE. BECKY. I'M GONNA SKIP BACK OVER TO THE, THE ONE WHERE THERE WAS A REQUEST FROM, UH, THE JUSTICE OF THE PIECES THERE. THE, THE JUSTIFICATION THERE SALARIES ARE INACCURATE. YES. THE FACT THAT VEHICLE ALLOWANCE IS NOT THE SAME AS SMALL SALARY. YEP. ALL RIGHT. NEXT, BECKY. UM, ON THE SUMMARY, THE NEXT DEPARTMENT IS COUNTY ATTORNEY. SO I'M NOT ON THE SUMMARY. IT HAS PERSONNEL AT 74,000 2 0 1, BUT WE HAVE A JOB DESCRIPTION FOR AN ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY WITH A SALARY RANGE OF 1 0 1 TO ONE 20. SO I'M NOT, SOMETHING'S NOT JING BETWEEN THE SALARY ON THE SUMMARY VERSUS THE DESCRIPTION WE RECEIVED OR THAT I RECEIVED. IS THAT MAYBE A TOTAL OF ALL THE DIFFERENT REQUESTS THAT THEY HAVE TO BE THAT 74 2? WELL, I MEAN, IF THEY'RE ASKING FOR AN ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY, I MEAN, THAT ALONE IS MINIMUM OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS SALARY WITHOUT BENEFIT. SO THEY'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 140 TO 150,000. I THINK THEY JUST WANNA RECLASS TO BUMP THEM UP TO THE MINIMUM BASE PAY IS WHAT I'M OH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SEEING. IS THAT WHAT IT IS I'M SEEING HERE? THERE. OKAY. AND THEY'RE, THEY HAVE ONE OF SIX, I THINK YOU GOT DISADVANTAGED WITH NOT THE SAME PACKET WE ARE, I DID NOT. YEAH. , I'M FLYING BLIND A LITTLE BIT. . YEAH. THAT I, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION, BUT THAT, THAT'S WHAT IT SHOWS HERE. IT DOESN'T SHOW CURRENT SALARY, BUT IT SAYS SALARY REQUESTED 98 1 72 THAT SAYS THE RECLASSIFICATION TO TAKE THE BASE OF A RECENT, MOST RECENTLY HIRED A CA TO AN AMOUNT CONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARD BASE PAY. SO I, I'M THINKING THEY HAD SOMEBODY THAT THEY HAD A POSITION ON THAT JUST DIDN'T PAY MAYBE WHAT THE BASE PAY IS. BUT I, AND YEAH, I KNOW IN CONVERSATION WITH THEM, THE DISCUSSION HAS ALSO BEEN FOR THEIR PART-TIME POSITION THAT IS IN PLATING TO BECOME A FULL-TIME POSITION. SO THAT COULD BE PART OF THAT AS WELL. BUT I DO FEEL LIKE IN CONVERSATION THEY WERE ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL STAFFING. BUT AGAIN, I DON'T, MY, MY PACKET IS THERE'S NOT A LOT THAT I HAVE ON COUNTY ATTORNEY. SO WE CAN ASK FOR THE CLARIFICATION ON THAT. YEAH, I THINK Y'ALL HAVE MORE INFORMATION THAN I DO. SO, SO I SHOW A RECLASS OF AN ASSISTANT ACCOUNTING ATTORNEY, A FB UNIT PAY INCREASE, 34,000 RECLASS LEGAL RESEARCH TO AN OFFICE MANAGER, 10,200 RECLASS ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY PER PAY INCREASE OF 5,115 RECLASS LEGAL SECRETARY TO LEGAL RESEARCH, $3,500 RECLASS ASSISTANT ACCOUNTING ATTORNEY, CPS CHIEF PAY INCREASE OF 6,600 AND A RECLASS OF A FIRST ASSISTANT ACCOUNTING COUNTY ATTORNEY INCREASE OF 2000. SO I'M LOOKING AT THIS RIGHT HERE. OKAY. THE SPREADSHEET. BIANCA, WHERE WOULD THEY FIND THAT IN THEIR BOOK FOLDER? DO THEY HAVE IT IN THEIR BOOKS, PAGES, NUMBERS? SO YOU'RE SAYING THIS IS, THIS IS WHY WE SHOULD ALL BE DIGITAL AND NOT BE DOING PAPER ? NO, IT'S, IT'S COLOR CODED AND IT'S A PRETTY WHITE TEXT BLOCK. IT'S, IT'S RIGHT THERE. YEP. BOTTOM OF THIS PAGE, TOP OF THE NEXT. SO SHERIFF, DO YOU MIND IF I HOLD THAT UP FOR EVERYBODY? SO IF YOU SEE THIS PAGE RIGHT HERE WITH THIS LARGE TEXT BLOCK, THAT'S WHERE THOSE NUMBERS ARE WITH THE BIG WIDE TEXT BLOCK. IT'S IN THE FAR RIGHT OF THAT TEXT BLOCK THAT SHOWS A TOTAL INCREASE OF 61,132. NOW THAT'S SALARY ONLY. SO BENEFITS WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO THAT. I BELIEVE THEY SHOW A TOTAL OF $13,069 ON THE [00:50:01] RECLASSIFICATION CHANGE IN TERMS OF HEALTH AND LIFE INSURANCE. IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE RETIREMENT FICA WORK COMP OR ANY OF THOSE HAVE A CHANGE IN THOSE. SO WHAT INFORMATION DO WE NEED? I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S INFORMATION SPECIFIC, BUT, UH, JUST A GENERAL, I GUESS CONCEPT IS THE SIZE OF THE INDIVIDUAL OFFICES. NOW I KNOW COUNTY ATTORNEY FOREST, HE HAS, YOU KNOW, IT'S HIMSELF AND HE HAS ABOUT 27 EMPLOYEES. SO IT'S A RATHER LARGE OFFICE. UM, AND I JUST LOOK AT IT, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, A POSITION IN A FOUR OR FIVE PERSON OFFICE MAY NOT NEED AS MANY SUPERVISORS AS, AS A DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, THE SIZE OF JOHN'S OR THE SIZE OF ONE OF THE PRECINCT BARNS, YOU KNOW, THE LEVELS OF SUPERVISION SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER WITH THE MORE EMPLOYEES THAT YOU HAVE. SO BIANCA, I HAVE IN MY, UH, IN THE SHARED FOLDER, I HAVE THESE VARIOUS PDFS WHICH SAY RECLASS PACKET ONE, RECLASS PACKET TWO, ALL THE WAY TO RECLASS RECLASS PACKET SIX. ARE THOSE PRINTED OUT IN THEIR WORKBOOKS? YES. OKAY. SO THOSE PAGES THAT WILL LOOK LIKE THIS, SO SAY NEW PERSONNEL JUSTIFICATION FORM. YEP. IT'S ACTUALLY FOR RECLASS THAT, THAT WILL HAVE THE INDIVIDUAL OFFICES. MM-HMM . I THINK WHAT WE NEED IN THIS, FOR ME, I NEED THE DEPARTMENT HEAD TO COME AND EXPLAIN ALL THE CHANGES THERE NEXT TIME WHEN, WHENEVER THEIR DEAL COMES UP. I, I DON'T KNOW IF RIGHT NOW IS THE EXACT TIME THAT BRING IT UP, BUT I'M GONNA BRING IT UP. PERSONALLY, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS SUBDIVISION AND CONTRACTING DEPARTMENT THAT'S IN HIS DEPARTMENT AND WE NEED TO SERIOUSLY EVALUATE SETTING THAT OUT ON ITS OWN AND PART AND POTENTIALLY HIRING A, UH, COUNTY ENGINEER COULD NOT AGREE MORE. SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS FURTHER DISCUSSION, BUT IT, WE'RE DISCUSSING IT RIGHT NOW AND I THINK THAT THAT DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO WORK HAND IN HAND WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND NEEDS TO STAND ON ITS OWN AND, AND, UH, HAVE ITS OWN DIRECTOR. I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE UNDER PERMITTING. I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE UNDERNEATH, UH, NECESSARILY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. BUT I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT'S PRETTY RELEVANT RIGHT NOW. SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, A COUNTY ENGINEER DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR A LOT OF SMALL COUNTIES BECAUSE OF, BECAUSE THE WORKLOAD IS NOT THERE TO JUSTIFY THE EXPENSE OF A SALARY. AND THEN FOR HUGE COUNTIES, THE JUSTIFICATION IS OBVIOUSLY THERE TO HAVE A COUNTY ENGINEER WHO ALSO INTERFACES WITH OUTSIDE ENGINEERS ALL THE TIME. I THINK WITH, AS RAPIDLY AS PARKER COUNTY HAS GROWN AND CONTINUES TO GROW, I WOULD PUT US, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT THE BIGGEST COUNTY IN TEXAS BY ANY MEANS, I WOULD SAY THAT OUR NEEDS ARE VERY STRONG IN THAT AREA. UM, ONE THING, BRIANNA, THAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IF YOU COULD PROVIDE TO THIS BUDGET COMMITTEE IS A, UM, A REPORT BROKEN OUT BY TYPE OF PAYMENT OR, OR THE CATEGORY OF PAYMENT MADE TO ENGINEERING FIRMS SUCH AS FRIES AND NICHOLS, WHERE IF WE CAN PULL OUT THE AMOUNT THAT WE'RE PAYING THEM FOR THEIR ENGINEERING SERVICES, UH, BHB WOULD BE A PART OF THIS HALF, ET CETERA. I'D LOVE TO SEE HOW MUCH WE'RE PAYING FOR JUST NOT SURVEYING, NOT RIGHT AWAY ACQUISITION, BUT JUST PURE ENGINEERING SERVICES EACH YEAR. AND IF WE CAN JUST GET A ROUGH DOLLAR AMOUNT, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TO THE PENNY, BUT IF CAN, CAN WE FIND OUT, ARE WE SPENDING TO THE CLOSEST A HUNDRED THOUSAND? ARE WE SPENDING 200,000? THERE'S NO WAY WE'RE SPENDING WAY MORE THAN THAT. ARE WE SPENDING 2.6 MILLION? I DON'T KNOW. AND SO I WOULD, I WOULD LOVE TO GET THAT BECAUSE I WOULD LOVE TO SEE HOW MUCH WE'RE CURRENTLY PAYING JUST FOR ENGINEERING SERVICES. AGAIN, NOT FOR FREEZING NICHOLS TO USE PINNACLE TO ACQUIRE RIGHT AWAY, BUT JUST FOR THE ENGINEERING SIDE AND SEE HOW MUCH OF THAT CAN WE BRING IN HOUSE AND SAVE TAXPAYERS A DOLLAR WHILE ALSO THEN WHEN WE'RE INTEGRATING OR INTERFACING WITH SOME OF THESE OTHER COMPANIES, HAVE SOMEONE ON OUR SIDE OF THE TABLE WHO SPEAKS ENGINEERING EASE. IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN WE'RE SITTING DOWN WITH THE DEVELOPER AND THAT DEVELOPER BRINGS AN ENGINEER, DO WE HAVE SOMEONE ON OUR SIDE THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING TO PAY BY THE HOUR TO REPRESENT THE COUNTY'S INTERESTS AND THE PEOPLE'S INTEREST? SO WHAT TIME OF PERIOD DID YOU WANT? [00:55:01] IS END OF DAY TODAY. OKAY. ? NO, ACTUALLY LIKE I'M KIDDING. LAST COUPLE YEARS. YEAH, LAST COUPLE YEARS. LAST TWO YEARS WOULD BE GOOD. I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S AN AND AND I WAS TOTALLY KIDDING ABOUT END OF DAY TODAY. JUST SHERIFF SAID TOMORROW MORNING WILL BE FINE. UH, SHERIFF, NO, I, I WOULD SAY YOU TELL ME WHAT YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH. OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A VERY BUSY TIME OF YEAR FOR YOU. THIS IS A BIG ASK. I DON'T KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO GRAB THAT DATA. WHAT DO YOU THINK A REASONABLE TIMEFRAME TO GET THAT BACK TO HIM? SINCE COURT? IT'LL BE EASIER OUTSIDE OF 26 SYSTEMS, WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR ALL OUR CONVERSION, BUT I, SO WHAT IF WE DO THE TWO YEARS BEFORE THAT? 25? YEAH. YEAH. IS THAT A WEEK, TWO WEEKS, THREE WEEKS? HOW LONG DO YOU NEED TO GRAB THAT? NO, I CAN SEND THAT OVER. THANK YOU. I, I WANT TO, I'D LIKE TO ADD, I, I BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE I THINK THAT IT DEFINITELY NEEDS FURTHER DISCUSSION IN THE COURT AND THE STRUCTURE. I JUST WAS PUTTING IN THERE A RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE IT DEFINITELY IMPACTS THIS LINE ITEM. AND I KNOW IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS DISCUSSED LAST YEAR TOO. MM-HMM . WHETHER IT WAS TIME TO GET THAT DONE OR NOT. AND ULTIMATELY IT WAS DECIDED NOT TO DO IT LAST YEAR, BUT TO REVISIT THIS YEAR AS WELL. SO WOULD IT BE DIRECTLY UNDER THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT? AS FAR AS THE ENGINEERING? YES. MM-HMM. SO I THINK THAT YOU COULD HAVE A COUNTY ENGINEER WHO IS THEN IN CHARGE OF PLATTING BUILDING AND GROUNDS. ARE THERE ANY OTHER POSITIONS? PERMITTING? I THINK THERE WOULD BE SOME INTERFACING THERE. I DON'T KNOW IF IN CHARGE OF INTERFACE, INTER INTERFACE. YEAH. YEAH. THERE'S SOME INTERFACING THERE, BUT, BUT I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO SEE A COUNTY ENGINEER HEAVILY INVOLVED ON THOSE THINGS. REPORTING DIRECTLY TO COMMISSIONER'S COURT. I JUST THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT GOING FORWARD. WELL, I KNOW IN MY PRECINCT AS THERE'S LESS AND LESS ACREAGE AVAILABLE, THESE DEVELOPERS ARE GETTING MORE AND MORE AGGRESSIVE WITH THE LESS DVIR, LESS DESIRABLE PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT PROVIDE, THAT ARE MUCH MORE CHALLENGING. AND SO YOU'RE HAVING, WE'RE HAVING, I'VE SEEN A BIG UPTICK AND ISSUES WITH, YOU KNOW, ENGINEERED STAMP PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED AND ISSUES ON THE CIVIL SIDE FROM NEIGHBORS GOING ON AS THESE MORE CHALLENGING PIECES OF PROPERTY. THESE FEWER PIECES THAT ARE LEFT ARE STARTING TO BE DEVELOPED. AND I WANT TO USE THAT AS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING THERE IN THAT WHAT, UH, WE DO CURRENTLY IN OUR JOB, COMPARED WITH WHAT THEY MIGHT DO IN SOME OTHER COUNTY WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE TO HUNT DOWN ALL THOSE TRAILS LIKE WE DO CURRENTLY DEALING WITH THOSE SITUATIONS BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOMEBODY ON STAFF, LIKE AN ENGINEER THAT TAKES CARE OF THAT. AND THAT'S THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF HOW, UH, WHEN YOU START COMPARING SALARIES WITH WHAT SOMEBODY DOES IN ANOTHER COUNTY, IT'S NOT THE SAME. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, UH, THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW, IF THERE'S A SITUATION LIKE THAT, WE ALL HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THAT. WE HAVE TO BE THE ONES IN CHARGE. WE HAVE TO GET SOMEBODY TO LOOK AT IT WITH US. WE HAVE TO DO ALL THOSE THINGS. WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN PASS OFF TO SOMEBODY ELSE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AN ENGINEER ON STAFF TO DO THAT. AND I WOULD, UH, TAKE THAT SAME EXAMPLE RIGHT THERE AND TRANSFER THAT TO EVERY OTHER JOB IN THIS COUNTY BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE SAME TO JUST COMPARE A SALARY FROM ONE COUNTY TO THE NEXT BECAUSE THE RESPONSIBILITIES ARE NOT THE SAME. STAFF. STAFF, UH, IS NOT THE SAME IN EVERY COUNTY. SO THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT UP. SO NEXT MOVES US TO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. SO YOU'RE UP. WELL, I'M HAPPY TO GO OVER WHATEVER Y'ALL WOULD LIKE. I THINK I'M DOWN TO PRESENT TOMORROW AS WELL. SO, UM, LOOKS LIKE THE ASK IS FOR AN ADDITIONAL ATTORNEY. THAT'S THE BIG ASK. WE, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF SMALLER THINGS IN THERE TOO. UM, BUT YEAH, WE'VE SEEN OUR, OUR CASELOAD GO UP. THE COURT'S BEEN REALLY GOOD TO US AND HELPED US ADDRESS THE TRIAL SIDE OF THAT ON OUR, OUR TWO TRIAL TEAMS. UH, ONE FOR EACH OF OUR DISTRICT COURTS. BUT THE, THE OTHER PART OF THAT INCREASE THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING THAT I PUT OFF TRYING TO ADDRESS WAS THE PART THAT AFFECTS ME DIRECTLY AND MY FIRST ASSISTANT DIRECTLY ME ON THE, THE INTAKE SIDE OF THINGS, ON, UH, ON OUR REGULAR FELONY CASES. MY FIRST ASSISTANT ON DRUG CASES. AND THEN THE JUVENILE DOCKET HAS BEEN GOING CRAZY TOO, NOT JUST IN THE SUMMER. THE JUVENILES ALWAYS GO CRAZY DURING THE SUMMER AND AT CHRISTMAS. UM, WHENEVER SCHOOL'S OUT, THAT'S ALWAYS AN ISSUE. BUT WE'VE HAD A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE ON THAT. UM, AND THE, I'D SAY 90% OF MY GRAND JURY WORK, UM, PREP WORK IS DONE [01:00:01] SATURDAYS, SUNDAYS, AND HOLIDAYS. UM, AND I HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING SO FAR. 'CAUSE MY GOAL WAS TO GET THE TRIAL TEAMS THE HELP THAT THEY NEEDED AND Y'ALL HAVE GOTTEN THAT SITUATED FOR US TO WHERE THEY'RE IN GOOD SHAPE RIGHT NOW. BUT THAT'S WHERE WE NEED SOME HELP ON WITH, UM, THE INTAKE OF THE JUVENILES. UM, AND YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE NEW RESPONSIBILITIES WE GOT OUTTA THIS LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION IS WE HAVE TO REVIEW DARN NEAR EVERY BOND THAT COMES THROUGH, UM, TO SEE IF WE NEED TO FILE A MOTION TO INCREASE THE BOND, AT LEAST ON VIOLENT OFFENSES. THE DEFINITION OF VIOLENCE BEING PRETTY BROAD. UM, AND THAT'S PUT A LARGE WORKLOAD, UH, INCREASE ON MY FIRST ASSISTANT. UM, THANKFULLY OUR, OUR JUDGES ARE DOING A GREAT JOB. WE HAVEN'T HAD TO FILE A SINGLE ONE OF 'EM, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO REVIEW ALL OF THEM AND THAT'S QUITE TIME CONSUMING. UM, OUR OTHER ASKS ARE PRETTY SMALL . UM, I WILL SAY THE INVESTIGATORS ONE IS NOT ACTUALLY ONE THAT I, I HADN'T LOOKED AT TOO MUCH UNTIL THIS BUDGET YEAR, BUT WE'VE HAD A SLOW DECLINE IN WHERE OUR INVESTIGATOR, OUR DA INVESTIGATORS SIT RELATIVE TO THE SALARIES AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. AND THE REASON I THINK THAT COMP IS IMPORTANT IS OUR, OUR LAST HIRE CAME FROM ONE OF THE IN INVESTIGATORS, ONE OF THE SERGEANTS AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. AND UM, WHEN WE LOOK BACK HISTORICALLY ON THAT, WHEN, UH, WHEN SHERIFF OER WAS ONE OF OUR DA INVESTIGATORS, UM, WHEN SHERIFF FOWLER WAS ONE OF OUR DA INVESTIGATORS, THEY MADE AN EQUIVALENT AMOUNT TO A CAPTAIN AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. AND NOW OUR DA INVESTIGATORS HAVE FALLEN BEHIND SERGEANT PAY AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. UM, THAT'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT DECLINE OVER THE YEARS. AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO COME IN HERE EVERY TIME Y'ALL ARE DOING BUDGET AND EITHER BE A YEAR BEHIND OR COME IN HERE 'CAUSE I'M HAVING SAT ON THIS COMMITTEE LAST YEAR, I KNOW Y'ALL HATE WHEN SOMEBODY'S LIKE, WELL, YOU JUST GAVE THEM A RAISE. NOW I WANT THAT SAME RAISE. I KNOW THAT AS A PET PEEVE OF EVERY SINGLE ONE OF Y'ALL. RIGHT. UM, SO MY EFFORT TO SOLVE THAT WOULD BASICALLY BE TO PIN THE DA INVESTIGATOR SALARY TO, UH, THAT SERGEANT'S SPOT AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. AND THAT COMPARED TO CURRENT YEAR, WE'RE ABOUT 5,000 AND SOME ODD DOLLARS BEHIND PER, UM, DA INVESTIGATOR TO THAT SERGEANT SLOT THAT I WAS LOOKING AT. UM, AND SO I'D ASK FOR Y'ALL TO DO THAT. THE OTHER ONE'S REALLY A SMALL AMOUNT, BUT I THOUGHT WAS KIND OF INTERESTING. THE DA VICTIM ASSISTANCE COORDINATOR, UM, THE AMOUNT THAT'S THAT'S SET FOR SALARY IS BEHIND WHAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAS SET FOR THAT AMOUNT, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS KIND OF ODD. UM, AND UNDER THE AUSPICES OF WE PAID THE POSITION, NOT THE PERSON. I THINK THAT THE VICTIM ASSISTANCE COORDINATOR THAT'S DEALING WITH, YOU KNOW, VICTIMS OF OF MURDER AND INTOXICATION, MANSLAUGHTER AND SEXUAL OFFENSES SHOULD DEFINITELY HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE PAID WHAT THE, THE VICTIM ASSISTANCE COORDINATOR IS THAT HANDLES THE MISDEMEANOR STUFF. AND THEY DO SOME GREAT WORKFORCE ON PROTECTIVE ORDERS TOO. UM, AND THEIR VAC WILL CERTAINLY HAVE MORE YEARS IN THAN MINE FOR QUITE SOME TIME UNTIL THEY HIRE SOMEBODY NEW. UM, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE THOSE EQUIVALENT. AND THEN I CAME UP WITH THE IDEA THAT WE REALLY SHOULD TRY TO HAVE SOME KIND OF CERTIFICATION PAY. THERE'S A PROGRAM OUT THERE FOR VICTIM ASSISTANCE COORDINATORS THAT THE CA'S BACK ALREADY HAS. UM, AND SO WHAT I PROPOSED TO DO TO BASICALLY HELP CREATE THAT WITHOUT COSTING THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT OF ANY ADDITIONAL MONEY OR THE TAXPAYERS ANY ADDITIONAL MONEY, WAS TO BASICALLY, UM, CREATE IT. MY VAC WON'T BE ELIGIBLE TO MAKE THAT, THAT MONEY FOR SEVERAL YEARS. I THINK IT'S A MINIMUM THREE OR FIVE YEARS OF BEING A VICTIM ASSISTANCE COORDINATOR BEFORE YOU CAN EVEN GET IT. SO THIS IS NOT REALLY A THIS YEAR THING FOR ME. I JUST THINK IT'S LONG TERM A GOOD THING FOR OUR, OUR COUNTY'S VICTIMS TO HAVE A PROGRAM THAT INCENTIVIZES THEM TO REALLY EXCEL AT THEIR JOB. AND SO WHAT I PROPOSED WAS TO, AND HERE I AM TALKING ABOUT SOMEBODY ELSE'S BUDGET, BUT TO TAKE A THOUSAND DOLLARS OUT OF BOTH OF OUR LINE ITEMS, CREATE A CERTIFICATION PAY OF $2,000, MY PERSON ISN'T GONNA GET IT. UM, WHICH WOULD PAY FOR, UH, THE VICTIM ASSISTANCE COORDINATOR FOR THE CA'S OFFICE TO ACTUALLY GET A THOUSAND DOLLARS RAISE OUT OF THAT. 'CAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE THAT CERTIFICATION. SO THAT WOULD KIND OF PAY FOR ITSELF. SO THAT WAS MY OTHER PROPOSAL. NOTHING EARTH SHATTERING ON THAT ONE. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, I, I, UH, SO TO PIN, TO PIN IT TO A SERGEANT PAY MM-HMM . SERGEANT SUPERVISED STAFF, HOW MANY STAFF DOES A SERGEANT SUPERVISE? IT COULD, IT'D BE FIVE, SEVEN. IT JUST, IT, IT VARIES. SO THAT'S, YEAH. SO THAT, THAT'S MY QUESTION. MM-HMM . AND, AND THIS HAS CAME UP BEFORE, [01:05:01] AND JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, WE GIVE EACH OTHER A HARD TIME JUST BECAUSE WE'RE ON THE COMMITTEE, YOU DON'T GET A PASS. SO NO. GOOD. GIVE US THE EXAMPLE. SO WHY SHOULD THEY MAKE THE SAME AS SOMEONE WHO SUPERVISES FIVE PEOPLE AND YOURS JOB? YEAH. NO, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. BECAUSE THOSE FIVE PEOPLE ARE WORKING MISDEMEANORS AND FELONIES, THESE PEOPLE ARE ONLY WORKING FELONIES. OKAY. THEY'RE ONLY WORKING THE HIGHER LEVEL OF CASES. OKAY. SO IT'S A, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WHERE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOLKS ARE WORKING EVERYTHING, RIGHT? EVERYTHING FROM CLASS C MISDEMEANOR TRAFFIC ALL THE WAY UP TO MURDER. UM, THESE PEOPLE ARE ONLY WORKING THE FELONY SIDE OF THINGS. SO IT'S, YOU'RE KIND OF CUTTING OFF THAT TOP LEVEL OF CASES AND HAVING THEM WORK THOSE. SO IT'S REALLY MORE THE THE CASE TYPE THAN ANYTHING ELSE. OKAY. ALSO, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANYBODY BE A DA INVESTIGATOR THAT DOESN'T HAVE A LOAD, THAT EXPERIENCE. RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. I WOULD NEVER HIRE ANYBODY THAT DIDN'T HAVE AT LEAST A DECADE OF EXPERIENCE. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. YOU'RE NOT GONNA HIRE ANYBODY THAT DOESN'T HAVE AT LEAST THAT LEVEL. IF YOU DON'T HAVE A PAY THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THAT, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET GOOD DA INVESTIGATORS. CORRECT. SO YOU HAVE TO PAY WHAT YOU'RE GETTING IN THE MARKET FROM UNDERSTOOD. AND, AND IN GENERALITIES. THIS ISN'T SPECIFIC TO YOUR, YOUR INVESTIGATORS, BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BADGES AND GUNS, IT GETS MENTIONED HERE A LOT. UH, HOW, BASICALLY THEY'RE THE SAME AND THEY'RE NOT THE SAME. UH, I DON'T, I'M JUST GONNA USE USING CAMERA UP. I DON'T THINK YOUR DA DA INVESTIGATORS, YOU KNOW, THIS POSITION, THEY'RE NOT ON CALL. THEY SELDOM WORK HOLIDAYS, SELDOM WORK WEEKENDS, SELDOM WORK NIGHTS. THAT IS A DIFFERENCE A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T CONSIDER. AND IT'S NOT JUST YOURS, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE OTHER OFFICES AND THE PEOPLE TOO. SO JUST BECAUSE IT'S BADGING GUNS, UH, I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD BE ON OUR SCALE. THEY CAN BE IN THEIR OWN. THAT'S COMMENSURATE. BUT IT, I THINK THEY SHOULD ALL BE ON THEIR OWN SCALES. RIGHT. AND THEN THEY CAN STAND ON THEIR OWN. I, I, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST NOT THE SAME. UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOUR INVESTIGATORS OR YOUR, YOUR PHONE RINGS AT NIGHT ALL THE TIME. UH, OUR GUYS, THEY GET CALLED OUT AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S CONSTANT. AND THEY, THEY ROTATE BEING ON CALL. SO IT'S, IT'S JUST NOT COMPARABLE. BUT YOU DO HAVE TO DRAW FROM PEOPLE WITH THAT LEVEL OF EXPERIENCE. IF, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO PAY A DA INVESTIGATOR, WHAT THEY'RE PAYING A A REGULAR DEPUTY TO WORK, YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET A DECENT QUALITY INVESTIGATOR. YOU'RE JUST NOT. SO THEY'RE NOT GONNA COME IN AND TAKE A PAY CUT FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. MEANING YOU'RE HIRING SOMETHING THAT'S NOT FORMAL. GOOD DISCUSSION. YEAH. YEAH. GOOD, GOOD CLARIFICATION. AND YOU, YOU'VE DONE YOUR HOMEWORK IN HERE. YEAH. I JUST, I NOTICED THAT IT KEEPS COMING UP ABOUT PEOPLE THAT ARE ON CALL 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. SO THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE PEOPLE AND OTHERS THAT THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENCE. Y'ALL BEING ON CALL FOR ONE. Y'ALL HAVE BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR BUILDINGS, BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR A FLEET OF VEHICLES, BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR A HUGE AMOUNT OF EQUIPMENT. UH, IT IS NOT APPLES AND ORANGES. THANK YOU. THAT WAS MY POINT. WE'VE BEEN SAYING THAT FOR YEARS. YEAH. ANYBODY THINKS I'M PLAYING ON MY CELL PHONE HERE? I JUST GOT A REPORT FROM SOMEBODY THAT JUST, YOU KNOW, A MOBILE HOME, JUST TORE THE ROAD UP OUT HERE ON FOX AND GREENWOOD. SO I, I HAVE TO DISPATCH SOMEBODY TO GO SEE ABOUT THAT IMMEDIATELY SINCE I'M NOT AVAILABLE. AND, AND THAT'S, THAT HAPPENS NIGHT AND DAY, THINGS LIKE THAT. DO JUST FOR ANYBODY THAT'S ASKING. THANK YOU. THE OPPORTUNITY THERE. NEXT ITEM, FOX AND GREENWOOD IS IN PRECINCT THREE FOR ANY ENRICH . UM, THE NEXT REQUEST IS A RECLASSIFICATION, UM, FOR THE ELECTIONS ADMINISTRATOR. WE'RE AT FOUR NINE. OKAY. JUST MAKING SURE. YEAH. FOR ELECTIONS ADMINISTRATOR FOUR 90. IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S BECKY BEFORE WE, SO WE'RE AT TWO 10. WHAT IS EVERYONE'S, I MEAN, THERE IS FAR MORE WORK THAT WE COULD BE HERE UNTIL 2:00 AM AND I THINK WE WOULD STILL HAVE MORE TO DISCUSS. SO CLEARLY WE'RE NOT GONNA GET THROUGH THIS TODAY. IS THERE A CERTAIN TIME THAT IT MAKES SENSE FOR US TO CALL IT? 'CAUSE I, I, I DO THINK THAT IF WE OPERATE, YOU KNOW, WORK EXPANDS TO FILL THE TIME ALLOTTED. SO I THINK IF WE, I THINK IF WE SET A TIME RIGHT NOW AS TO WHEN WE AIM TO BE DONE BY, I THINK THAT'LL HELP US BE EFFICIENT. IS THERE A CERTAIN TIME THAT WE NEED TO BE DONE BY? WELL, I, I THINK THIS, HAVING THIS INFORMATION HERE REQUIRES THAT WE DO HOMEWORK. I THINK WE'RE MEETING AGAIN IN THE MORNING AT NINE O'CLOCK WITH PEOPLE, PEOPLE COMING IN HERE FOR OUR REGULAR BUDGET. YES, SIR. MM-HMM . UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE ARE DOING A LOT OTHER THAN JUST INFORMATION THAT I HONESTLY CAN BE READ, UH, HERE TODAY, UH, ASKING FOR SOME CLARIFICATION, BUT THAT SAME CLARIFICATION APPLIES TO EVERY ONE OF THESE. WE, IF THERE'S NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION HERE AND, AND I'M SITTING HERE, YOU KNOW, [01:10:02] AGAIN, COMPARING PARKER COUNTY TO 12 OTHER COUNTIES, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THOSE, THOSE ARE BEST HANDLED AFTER WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO READ THROUGH ALL THIS DATA AND THEN INTERVIEW THE PERSON THAT'S COMING TO SPEAK TO US. AM I RIGHT? RIGHT. SO, JUST A POINT, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GAINING A WHOLE LOT HERE OTHER THAN THERE'S A GREAT DISCUSSION AMONG THE SHERIFF AND THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY EARLIER, BUT, UH, IN, BUT PAST THAT, I'M NOT GAINING A WHOLE LOT. SO I JUST WANT TO NOTE IT. I'M NOT ASKING FOR CAPTAIN K, LIKE RUCO. HE WAS VA INVESTIGATORS. . I DON'T RECALL IT BEING THAT MUCH. THAT'S, I THINK IT'S $50 A MONTH PROBABLY. SHERIFF, IS THAT RIGHT? IT'S, SO HOW ABOUT WE SET TWO 30 AS OUR HARD STOP? THAT'S 18 MORE MINUTES. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD SUGGESTION. LET'S PROCEED WITH TWO 30. LET'S GET AS FAR AS WE CAN. AND THEN WHAT I, WHAT I WILL COMMIT IS, AND I WILL COPY THE BUDGET COMMITTEE GROUP ADDRESS ON THESE REQUESTS. UM, COMMISSIONER HALE, JUDGE DEAN, COMMISSIONER CONLEY, Y'ALL ARE NOT A PART OF THAT GROUP SO THAT WE'RE AVOIDING QUORUM ISSUES. UM, BUT ANY INFORMATION THAT IS RECEIVED, BRIAN, WILL YOU MAKE SURE THAT'S THEN TRANSMITTED TO THEM PLEASE? UH, SO THEY CAN, WE, WE CAN AVOID THAT LEGALITY. UM, AND AS, AS COMMISSIONER WALDEN SAID, WE DO HAVE OUR BUDGET, OUR NORMAL BUDGET WORKSHOP IN THE MORNING, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN THIS COMMITTEE. CORRECT. UM, SO ELECTIONS, LET'S GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. IT'S JUST THAT, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE FOR THE REQUEST COMPARABLE TO, YOU KNOW, SHE LOOKS LIKE SHE LISTED OUT, YOU KNOW, REGISTERED VOTERS AND COUNTY SIZES AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT. THERE'S LOTS OF INFORMATION THAT YOU CAN READ TO COME UP WITH WHERE A REQUEST IS. UM, I, I DO WANNA MAKE A NOTE. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT OR JUST WANT TO DO YOUR HOMEWORK AND READ IT? I DON'T HAVE ANY, ARE YOU ASKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT ELECTIONS OR THE ELECTIONS ADMINISTRATOR? WELL, SHE NEVER, I DIDN'T SEE WHERE SHE, WHAT, WHAT HER SALARY REQUEST WAS. BUT IT SAYS STAFF ON THE, ON MY SUMMARY, IT HAS IT AT 30 AN INCREASE. 32 1 17, 32 1 17. JUST THE ADMINISTRATOR ON THE BREAKDOWN. IT JUST SAYS RECLASS OF 30 2001 17 FOR APPOINTED OR ELECTED IN THAT FOR NEXT, FOR THE ELECTIONS ADMINISTRATOR POSITION. OKAY. SO THAT'S JUST ONE POSITION. YEAH. WHICH I'M GONNA ASSUME THAT'S GONNA INCLUDE THE BENEFIT COST PROBABLY IN THAT AS WELL. ASSUMING, AND I HAVE WHAT YOU'VE GIVEN ME IN THE PAST, BECKY, HER SALARY CURRENTLY 92 7 7 3. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON ELECTIONS? YES. 9 2 7 7 3. SHE, THE REQUEST IS TO GO TO 1 25, SO THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE BENEFITS THAT 32 2 27 9 2 1 25. UM, THE NEXT DEPARTMENT IS TAX ASSESSOR. I WILL SAY, UH, THIS IS CONTINGENT AGAIN ON THE SPRINGTIME REMODEL. SO IF THERE'S NOT A REMODEL DONE, SHE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL STAFF THERE, BUT THERE'S NO ROOM TO PUT 'EM. SO IF THERE'S NO DIS THERE'S NO DECISION TO MAKE THE BUILDING BIGGER, THEN THIS REQUEST GOES AWAY. RIGHT. BUT IT IS FOR TWO ADDITIONAL STAFF. THE NEXT IS BILLING AND GROUNDS BACKING UP THE TEXAS ASSESSOR. SHE WANTS TWO ADDITIONAL STAFF FOR THE SPRINGTOWN OFFICE. SPECIFICALLY FOR SPRINGTOWN PENDING IF THEY GET THE REMODEL. YES. GOTCHA. OKAY. UM, BUILDING AND GROUNDS REQUEST IS FOR TWO. SO THEY [01:15:01] USED SOME MONEY THIS YEAR FOR SOME PART-TIME LAWN TECHNICIAN THAT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE JUST WANTING TO CONTINUE THAT REQUEST FOR FISCAL 27. I ALSO SEE A 5% INCREASE. OH, FOR THE DIRECTOR? YES. IT SAYS THE, THE MEMORANDUM I'M LOOKING AT SAYS A 5% INCREASE IN SALARIES FOR EVERYONE IN MY DEPARTMENT. OH. AND THEY'RE SEPARATE FOR THE DIRECTOR AND THEN ALSO SEPARATELY FOR THE DIRECTOR. OKAY. MY WORKBOOK, I SEE THE REFERENCE OF THE ONE OH, THAT THE DIRECTOR'S REQUESTING TO GO FROM 97 3 44 TO 1 0 5. SO MAYBE THE WORKBOOKS WERE UPDATED, BUT FINAL. YEAH, THEY WERE. SO BIANCA, DO WE KNOW IF THAT 5% I'M, I'M, I WOULD GUESS THAT THAT'S PROBABLY IN ADDITION TO COLA, IS THAT ACCURATE? UM, THAT WAS OKAY. UM, NEXT WE MOVE TO THE CONSTABLES. A LOT OF THEIR REQUESTS ARE SIMILAR. UM, CONSTABLE ONE IS ASKING FOR ANOTHER FULL-TIME DEPUTY CONSTABLE. UM, SO MY QUESTION IS THIS. IT SAYS DEPUTY CONSTABLE WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SECURITY OF THE BUILDING, INCLUDING THE OFFICES OF ALL AGENCIES THAT RESIDE IN THE BUILDING. ISN'T THERE A SHERIFF'S DEPUTY THERE? HE'S FULL TIME, HE'S A STATION DEPUTY WHO KIND OF SUPPLEMENTS THE COURTHOUSE SECURITY. HE DOES BOTH ROLES. OKAY. BUT ONE THING TO ADD, I THINK HE'S ASKING FOR THAT, THAT, UH, MODULAR BUILDING, WHICH WE DIDN'T OH, BE A SEPARATE BUILDING. OKAY. MM-HMM . CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WHO ALL WOULD BE IN THAT BUILDING IF THAT'S APPROVED? JUST THE CONSTABLES. SO THEY, THEY PROBABLY DON'T NEED SECURITY SINCE THEY HAVE GUNS ON. RIGHT. I WAS GONNA SAY, SO EVERY, THEY'RE ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT, SO THEY NEED ANOTHER LAW. THEY NEED WHEN, UH, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK MR. WRIGHT CAN HELP US UNDERSTAND WHEN HE COMES, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION TO ME IS IF THE MODULAR BUILDING THEY WANT WOULD BE ON THE SAME SITE. YES. IT'D BE JUST SEPARATE 60 FEET AWAY, RIGHT DOOR TO DOOR, I THINK. OKAY. SAME PARKING LOT ON THE BACKSIDE. SO I MEAN, IT DOES LI LIST OUT BAILIFF COURT DAY TO DAY, UM, DEPUTY, UH, SERVING PAPERS. AND, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I, I DID HAPPEN TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION WITH HIM A LITTLE BIT AHEAD OF TIME. UM, I'M NOT GONNA TRY TO REPEAT HIS EXPLANATION BECAUSE HE SAID IT A LOT BETTER THAN I REMEMBER IT. BUT WHAT IT BOILED DOWN TO WAS IF HE HAS ANOTHER PERSON THAT FREES UP A LOT MORE OF FOLKS GOING OUT AND DELIVERING, UM, CITATION, NO, I MEAN, I'M NOT USING THE RIGHT WORD. CONSTABLES. WHEN THEY, UM, FILE FOR CIVIL MATTERS, WHEN THEY GO DO, UH, WHAT'S THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR? SERVANT CITATION. CERV, THANK CERV. OKAY, SORRY. COMPLETE BRAIN FART. SO RIGHT NOW THEY BASICALLY HAVE TO HAVE A BUTTON, THE SEAT NEARLY AT ALL TIMES. HAVING ANOTHER PERSON WILL ALLOW A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY ON THAT SCHEDULING. AGAIN, I WOULD SUGGEST WE LET THE CONSTABLE EXPLAIN THAT. BECAUSE WHEN I ASKED HIM ABOUT THIS, I SAID, HEY, THIS SEEMS KIND OF WEIRD. HE HAD A GREAT EXPLANATION. SO TO EXPAND ON WHAT MY POINT WAS, AND I KNOW THAT THEY CARRY WEAPONS, MY POINT WAS IS WHEN THEY'RE ALL OUT, THERE'S STILL THE SO'S OFFICE OR OTHER PEOPLE IN THE EXISTING OFFICE WITH THEM HAVING A DETACHED SEPARATE STRUCTURE. IF THEY'RE OUT RUNNING LIKE THEY ARE NOW, THEY DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY COVERING THAT BUILDING. MAYBE THEY LOCK IT. I DON'T KNOW THE, BUT IF IT'S THAT OFFICE DURING NINE TO FIVE, YOU'D EXPECT IT TO BE OPEN. SURE. SO I THINK THAT WAS MORE OR LESS THE, HIS EXPLANATION. UM, THE OTHER REQUEST IS TO GIVE AN INCREASE TO THEIR, UM, OFFICE MANAGER FROM 60,000 2 0 2 TO 72,246. SO THAT PERSON WOULD BE THERE TO KEEP THE BUILDING OPEN, I GUESS. RIGHT. THAT PERSON IS, IS A CIVILIAN [01:20:01] OFFICER. RIGHT. THEY WOULDN'T HAVE A GUN OR WHATEVER ELSE. RIGHT. BUT THEY, OKAY. YES. UH, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SEVERAL REQUESTS FOR DEPUTY CONSTABLES. I I WOULD JUST, YES. INFORMATION I'D LIKE TO HEAR IS OKAY, HOW, HOW MANY, YOU KNOW, PAPERS ARE THEY SERVING NOW? YES. PER PERSON, PER WEEK, PER MONTH, PER YEAR. UM, WHAT, WHAT ARE THEY DOING? YOU KNOW, AND IF WE CAN KEEP A, A RECORD OF OF WHO'S DOING WHAT. 'CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THE CONSTABLE HAS, UH, CONSTABLE WRIGHT HAS FOUR OTHER DEPUTIES THERE CURRENTLY. YES. SO THERE'S FIVE PEOPLE. YEAH. I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH ONE OF THE CONSTABLES LAST NIGHT AND I BASICALLY SAID THE SAME THING. YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW MANY, I SAID, HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU SAY I NEED ANOTHER CONS, I NEED ANOTHER DEPUTY BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF PAPERS WE SERVE. AND I'M LIKE, AND WHEN YOU TELL ME THIS IS HOW MANY PAPERS YOU SERVE, AND I DO MATH, AND I'M LIKE, THAT'S THREE PAPERS A WEEK. YOU KNOW? AND THEN I WAS LIKE, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND. I'VE NEVER BEEN LAW ENFORCEMENT. SO HOW MANY ATTEMPTS, WHAT HAS IT TAKEN AN ATTEMPT, HOW MUCH TIME? I WAS LIKE, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I NEED. YOU KNOW, I I TELL YOU, THERE'S VARIABLES, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE. AND SOME PAPERS ARE HARDER. SOME, SOME YOU CAN YEAH. TURN BACK. I MEAN, 'CAUSE IT'S THE WRONG ADDRESS THOUGH. THEY DON'T LIVE IN THE COUNTY. SOME MAY TAKE SEVERAL ATTEMPTS EVEN AFTER HOURS OR POSSIBLY ON A SATURDAY MM-HMM . UM, THEY'RE NOT ALL THE SAME. YEAH. BUT, BUT IT'S STILL AN AVERAGE THOUGH. A NUMBER PER MAN PER WEEK OR PER WHATEVER, I THINK IS A GOOD, GOOD WAY TO JUDGE WHETHER THEY, THEY'RE KEEPING UP OR NOT. RIGHT. SO SIMILAR TO THE ASK OF THE, OF THE JPS, I THINK VERY SIMILAR TO THE CONSTABLES. I MEAN, JUST, JUST HAVE, HAVE THE CONSTABLES, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PAPERS HE'S SERVING AND HOW MANY ARE EACH OF HIS DEPUTIES SERVING. AND JUST, JUST, WE'LL GET A GOOD FEEL FOR, YOU KNOW, THE WORKLOAD, I THINK. SURE. RIGHT. OKAY. SO I HAVE HOW MANY PAPERS ARE BEING SERVED PER DAY, WEEK, MONTH PER PERSON, AND HOW MANY ATTEMPTS PER SERVE? ANYTHING ELSE? IT DOES LOOK LIKE CONSTABLE PRECINCT THREE HAS GOT SOME GOOD INFORMATION ON SOME OF THAT AND THEIR INFO. SOME BACKGROUND. YEAH. YEAH. SO MAYBE SOMETHING MODELED OFF OF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF THEY HAVE THAT DATA. UM, CONSTABLE, UH, THREE'S ASK IS BIGGER. IT'S NOT ONLY, IT'S A FULL-TIME CONSTABLE, IT'S A IT PART-TIME CONSTABLE AND A PART-TIME OFFICE I BELIEVE AS WELL. WHAT QUESTIONS DO WE HAVE? I THINK THE SAME ONES. I THINK THE, THE, THE SAME NUMBERS THAT WE NEED. AND I THINK THREE, AS YOU MENTIONED, MR. HEISER, MR. SWAIN, I THINK THREE DID GIVE US, YEAH, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, DID MM-HMM . THE JUSTIFICATION SHEET WITH HAD, WHICH HAS SOME GOOD DATA IN THERE ON THE WORKLOAD AND CIVIL PAPER. SO RIGHT HERE, I'M READING FROM THIS, IT HAS BY YEAR 20 23, 20 24, 20 25 MM-HMM . AND THEN PRESENT 2026 CIVIL PAPERS RECEIVED SERVICE ATTEMPTS, ENVIRONMENTAL COMPLAINTS, ENVIRONMENTAL RE-INSPECTIONS, COURT BAILIFF HOURS AND WRIT HOURS, UM, BY RAW COUNT. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S UNREASONABLE TO ASK THE OTHERS TO PROVIDE THE SAME DATA. UM, I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN TAKE THOSE NUMBERS AND BACK INTO THE PER PERSON NUMBERS THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, SHERIFF, IF WE JUST DIVIDE BY THEIR PERSONNEL, COUNT IF, IF EVERYBODY'S SERVING UP ROUGHLY AN EQUAL NUMBER. YES. YES, SIR. UM, OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THERE? I SAW, I THINK IN ONE OF THESE, THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS ON, UH, TRANSPORT AND PRECINCT, HAVING A FEMALE DEPUTY AVAILABLE. I APPRECIATE WHO DOES TRANSPORTATION? YEAH. YES. UM, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, HAVING A, A FEMALE CONSTABLE WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA IF YOU'RE TRANSPORTING FEMALES, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE MENTAL PATIENTS. THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA. UM, BUT THAT, THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING YOU MIGHT WANNA ASK THEM TO ADDRESS IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON EXPLANATION FOR THE COURT. SHERIFF, DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE INFORMATION REGARDING THAT? NOT NUMBERS, BUT YOU JUST ASK 'EM FOR NUMBERS, HOW MANY THEY'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, PER, PER YEAR, PER MONTH, PER WEEK. YEAH. UH, WHEN, WHEN OUR GUYS GET A BIND, THEY NEED A FEMALE, WE JUST CONTACT THE JAIL AND WE'LL JUST, UH, CONTRACT WITH A, A FEMALE DEPUTY OR JAILER RATHER. AND THEN, SO WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE LATITUDE WHEN IT COMES TO THAT. I UNDERSTAND. WILL WILL THEY DO THAT FOR THE CONSEQUENCES? I DON'T, I DON'T SEE WHY THEY WOULDN'T. OKAY. GOOD INFORMATION. DID THEY, DID THEY CHARGE A, A FEE FOR THAT? IT'S JUST GUARD HIGHER PER HOUR FEE IS, WAS WHAT IT IS. SO THAT ACTUALLY MIGHT BE A WAY TO POTENTIALLY SAVE SOME MONEY, IS TO GIVE THEM AN AMOUNT IN THEIR LINE ITEM FOR THAT. THAT'D BE PROBABLY A LOT CHEAPER [01:25:01] THAN HIRING A PERSON JUST TO DO THAT JOB. IF, IF THAT COVERS THE SAME TERRITORY, AND I DUNNO THAT IT DOES, BUT, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY PUT A CONTRACT LINE ITEM. LINE ITEM. YEP. JUST A THOUGHT. OKAY. THAT'S A GOOD THOUGHT. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE'RE, WE'RE COMING UP ON 2 27. WE'VE WRAPPED UP THE CONSTABLES BEFORE WE GET INTO SOME OF THE OTHERS BECAUSE SOME OF THEM, LIKE THE, SO FOR EXAMPLE, IS GONNA BE, UH, QUIET AND BORING AS ALWAYS. UM, , THAT'S A JOKE. THAT'S A JOKE. UH, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD PLACE TO STOP. WHAT I WOULD ASK EVERYONE HERE IS TAKE, TAKE SOME TIME TO FAMILIARIZE YOURSELF WITH THE BOOK. I KNOW THE, THE FIRST TIME THAT WE'RE FLIPPING THROUGH, IT'S, UH, IT'S, IT, IT CAN BE A LITTLE BIT CUMBERSOME. UM, IF YOU DON'T MIND, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, WHAT I WOULD ASK IS IF YOU WOULD FUNNEL THE QUESTIONS, SEND THEM TO ME AND COPY BIANCA. AND THAT WAY WE HAVE TWO SETS OF EYES ON THEM. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ASKED. UM, OR WE CAN JUST SEND IT TO THE ENTIRE BUDGET COMMITTEE AND COPY BIANCA. I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO Y'ALL. CAN, CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION THOUGH OTHER, I DO WANNA DO A CLARIFICATION ON CONSTABLE FOUR BASED ON WHAT'S ON THE SUMMARY THEN WHAT THE ASK ACTUALLY IS. UM, OTHER THAN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, WE HAVE IT LEFT TO DISCUSS. MR. HAYWOOD IS HERE. COULD WE CLARIFY CONSTABLE FORD TALK TO IT? AND THEN THE ONLY THING LEFT TO DO WOULD BE THE SHERIFF NEXT SOUNDS GREAT TO ME THE NEXT TIME. YEAH. IS THAT GOOD? SOUNDS GREAT TO ME. ALRIGHT, SO THE, THE CLARIFICATION FOR CONSTABLE FOUR ON THE SUMMARY, IT'S 48,857. UM, I SPOKE TO HIM LAST NIGHT TO CLARIFY THAT. SO HE HAS A PART-TIME POSITION THAT'S BUDGETED AT 26,000. HE'S WANTING TO INCREASE THAT TO 37 249. HE'S JUST WANTING TO PUT A LITTLE BIT MORE PART-TIME MONEY IN THERE SO HE CAN GIVE THAT PERSON AN INCREASE. SO THAT'S ALL THAT ASK IS HE'S NOT ASKING FOR ANY ADDITIONAL STAFF. JUST A LITTLE BIT OF INCREASE TO PART-TIME. SO WHAT SHOULD THAT ACTUALLY READ INSTEAD OF 48? 8 57? UM, UH, LIKE 11,248. OKAY. I MEAN, THERE'LL BE SOME BENEFIT ADD ON THERE, SO SURE. BUT NOT A LOT WITH PART-TIME. OKAY. YOU'RE UP JAMES. LET'S GO. JAMES . THANK YOU. UH, JUST A FULL DISCLOSURE HERE, UH, FOR THIS COMMITTEE IN COURT, I HAD GIVEN UP AN EMPLOYEE LAST YEAR, SO I'M NOT COMING BACK HERE TO SAY I HAD NEED TO BACKFILL. THIS CAME IN PRETTY LATE TO THE GAME, UH, WITH DISCUSSIONS, UH, SOME OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND COMMISSIONER HOLT HAD, IT'S MY FAULT, YOU CAN BLAME ME. WELL THIS CAME IN PRETTY LATE, SO I'M TRYING TO GET CAUGHT UP. BUT, UH, IT'S COME UP FOR A GIS ANALYST POSITION TRYING TO RESEARCH, UH, UH, GET THAT DONE TO HELP WITH OUR GIS SOFTWARE LAYERING AND MAYBE INTEGRATE, UH, WITH SOME OF OUR, UH, INCLUDING SOFTWARE WITH Y'ALL'S TICKETING SYSTEM, OUR WEBSITE, AND HAVE THE LAYERS AVAILABLE FOR THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES AND AROUND THAT COULD USE IT, UH, AS SUCH FOR THAT. SO DO YOU MIND IF I BUILD ON THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT? PLEASE, PLEASE, SIR. SO JASON LANE IS WORKING ON G-I-S-G-I-S IS THE MAPS THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT ONLINE, BASICALLY WHERE YOU CAN TAG CERTAIN THINGS AND ALL OF THAT. A GIS SYSTEM WOULD ALLOW WHAT WE DO THROUGH IWORK TO INTEGRATE. SO, YOU KNOW, A USE CASE MIGHT BE, IF SOMEONE HAD THE INCLINATION, THEY COULD HAVE AN APP WHERE IF THEY HIT A POTHOLE THEY COULD PUSH A BUTTON ON THAT APP AND IT WOULD TICKET OUR SYSTEM IMMEDIATELY TO LET 'EM KNOW THERE'S A POTHOLE THERE. THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE. WHAT IT COULD ALSO ALLOW US TO DO IS TO TRACK IN DIGITAL FORM LOW WATER CROSSINGS, RAILROAD CROSSINGS. THERE'S A TON OF USE CASE FOR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, BUT I THINK IT WOULD INTEGRATE VERY WELL WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER HALE AND I ARE SPEARHEADING COMMISSIONER HALE MORE THAN ME ON A WEBSITE UPGRADE. I KNOW THAT ON MY END FOR WHAT WE, WE PRECINCT, I THINK PRECINCT ONE, PRECINCT THREE HAD BEEN USING IWORK THE LONGEST. IS THAT CORRECT? RIGHT. SO WE GOT ON BOARD, COMMISSIONER HALE AND I GOT ON BOARD WITH THAT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. A GIS SYSTEM WOULD ALSO INTEGRATE WITH THAT. I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE VERY HELPFUL WITH PLATTING AND 9 1 1 ADDRESSING AS WELL. SO FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUILD A NEW DEVELOPMENT ALONG A CERTAIN ROAD, THAT COULD BE TIED IMMEDIATELY IN OUR SYSTEM TO, OH, THAT'S ON THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN. SO THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT HAS TO BE RESERVED FOR THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN JUST YOUR AVERAGE COUNTY ROAD. SOME THINGS OF THAT NATURE. THERE'S A LOT OF AREAS WHERE THIS CAN BE VERY, VERY HELPFUL FOR US. UM, I WOULD ASSUME THAT THIS POSITION, IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, WOULD FIT IN WELL UNDER IT, BUT WOULD WORK CLOSELY WITH A COUNTY ENGINEER AND WITH THE COMMISSIONERS AND ALL OF THAT. [01:30:04] JAMES, HAVE YOU TALKED CHRIS BOSCO? YES, YES, YES, YES. AND, AND THAT KIND OF GOES IN HAND, UH, HOPEFULLY Y'ALL ALL KNOW THEY, THE IT GUYS THAT WE WERE MULTIPLE HATS. AND SO WITH THIS POSITION, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO RESEARCH IT, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA HAVE THE SAME THING, MULTIPLE HATS, UH, ON THIS INDIVIDUAL TOO. UH, JUST THE DISCUSSIONS BEFORE EVEN UH, UH, BROUGHT UPHOLD HAD A LOT TO DO WITH ELECTIONS ARENA, UH, MERCY MANAGEMENT, UH, UH, IT DEVELOPMENT. BUT SOME OF THOSE THINGS WERE LOOKING AT, UH, I'LL TALK MORE IN DETAIL TOMORROW, UH, KIND OF FITS, BUT IT DID COME OUT KIND OF LATE. SO I WANTED TO SAY, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT. ANY QUESTIONS REAL QUICK? THE GIS ENGINEER, IF IT GOES, COMES TO FRUITION, WOULD IT ELIMINATE US USING HALF TO DO OUR G-S-G-I-S MAP LAYERING? I THINK IT WILL ACTUALLY HELP WITH THAT. UH, SO WE CAN ACTUALLY, UH, WORK WITH COG TO DO OUR OWN MAPS AND THEN JUST SHOOT THOSE OVER. UH, WE HAVE TO UPDATE OUR, OUR COMPUTER SYSTEM, UH, WEEKLY. YES. WEEKLY WITH, WITH THE NEW SUBDIVISION. SO FOR 9 1 1 ADDRESSING, HOPEFULLY WE SEE THAT INTEGRATED. IF, IF THIS ENGINEER SIR COULD DO, THAT'D BE A HUGE SAVINGS. YES SIR. I DO SEE THAT TOO AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND WITH OUR UH, O-S-M-C-T FOR ALL THE DEPUTIES AND OUR CAD SYSTEM CAN DO. DO WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE ON THE COST WE'RE CURRENTLY EXPENDING ON THAT? BRIANNA, IS THAT, UH, I SEE YOU LOOKING FRANTICALLY YOUR A LOT OF THAT'S DONE IN, IN-HOUSE. OH, UH, THOUGHT SHE DOES SOME, BUT WE, WE, WE CONTRACT WITH HALF AND ASSOCIATES FOR SOME ROUNDS. WE, AND THEN, UH, WE HAD TO DO THE UPDATES INTERNALLY WITH, UH, THE CAPTAIN AND, AND HELP HIM AND GET THOSE PUSHED OUT. SO I DON'T KNOW, TOTAL CALL IF WE COULD GET A ROUGH GUESSTIMATE ON THE DOLLARS AND THEN JUST A SUPER BACK OF THE NAPKIN ESTIMATE ON MAN HOURS OKAY. THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY SPENDING IN-HOUSE ON THAT. I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW, WE CAN GET THAT SO THAT WE CAN HAVE AN IDEA OF THE VALUE THAT'S ALREADY THERE. OKAY. MAKE THAT DECISION FROM YOU. THE QUESTIONS I CAN GET, I KNOW FROM THE PRECINCT SIDE, I THINK THIS WOULD BE A HUGE VALUE ADD FOR SERVING THE RESIDENTS ON GETTING SHOULDERS CLEANED UP, LINE OF SIDE ISSUES, HEY, THERE'S A TREE DOWN, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. I THINK IT COULD REALLY, UM, MODERNIZE SOME OF THE WAYS THAT, SOME OF THE WAYS THAT WE COMMUNICATE THE WAY THAT THE GIS OPERATES. SO THIS WOULD BE A LOT OF HEAVY LIFTING INITIALLY AND ONCE IT'S LOADED OR THE PROGRAMS, ONCE THE DATA'S IN THERE OR THERE, WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO DO TO GET 'EM COMPATIBLE. YES SIR. THEN DOES IT KIND OF START DROPPING DOWN AND AUTOMATING? YES. UH, LOOKING IN THIS, YOU YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF THE GIS FIELD RIGHT NOW IS BEING A LOT AUTOMATED WITH THE AI TOOLS. MM-HMM . SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING WHEN I START THIS DOWN THIS ROAD, WE'RE TRYING TO DO A REALLY GOOD JOB DESCRIPTION. AND UH, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IT'S GONNA BE VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO WEAR MULTIPLE HATS TO HELP US IN OTHER ARENAS. YEAH. BUT, UH, MAINTAIN THAT I, I, I SEE THIS GOING FORWARD. WE WILL MAINTAIN IT. UH, I DO SEE THE DIFFERENT LAYERS. UH, I CAN SEE IT BEING WORKED ON PRETTY REGULARLY THOUGH, ESPECIALLY MM-HMM . THE DATA WE GET AS THEY CHANGE, UH, FOR OUR, UH, CURRENT ADDRESSING FOR ALL THE DEPUTIES CAD SYSTEM. SURE. UH, BUT YES, TO YOUR POINT, I DO SEE IT KIND OF GOING DOWN AND JUST MAINTAIN ITS LOT EASIER THAN, ALRIGHT. I JUST WANTED TO ASK WHILE WE WERE YES, THANK YOU. AND THEN A A A PERSON WHO'S, WHO'S TIME IS FREED UP, I'M BETTING YOU COULD FIND SOME OTHER USES FOR THAT PERSON. YES, SIR. IS THAT FAIR? UH, WE WILL BE, THEY, THEY WILL BE STAYING BUSY. IT WON'T BE A TYPICAL GIS PERSON SITTING IN THEIR OFFICE. UH, I'VE ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSING UP THE JOB DESCRIPTION. I AM A LITTLE LATE TO THE GAME. I THINK WE JUST SHOT THIS OVER LAST WEEK. SO I'M TRYING TO GET CAUGHT UP ON JOB DESCRIPTION AND ANY QUESTIONS Y'ALL MIGHT HAVE. AND AGAIN, THAT'S MY FAULT. THAT'S NOT JAMES' FAULT. I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED THIS TO HIM A LONG TIME AGO. SO PLEASE DON'T BLAME HIM FOR THAT AT ALL. WE SPENT 20 3002 12 IN 2025 PER HALF. YEAH. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. AND WE DO HAVE A FEW MINUTES YOU BEING SO RESPONSIBLE, UH, WITH THE CAPTAIN THERE UPDATING THE SE UH, SQL SERVER THERE. OKAY. AND TO RECALL BACK WHAT YOU SAID TO OPEN, YOU DID CUT A POSITION LAST YEAR, SO THIS WOULD EFFECTIVELY YEAH, ON SOME LEVEL. I DIDN'T WANT TO COME BACK AND SAY, HEY, I'M ASKING FOR ANOTHER ONE. I WAS MAINTAINING NOT GETTING A JOB, UH, FULFILLING OF THE WORLD THIS YEAR. ORIGINALLY I THOUGHT ABOUT MAYBE PUTTING THAT UNDER 400 REPORTING TO COMMISSIONER'S COURT, BUT I DON'T THINK IT FITS THERE AS WELL AS IT WOULD FIT UNDER JAMES, ESPECIALLY IF JAMES IS GONNA BE UTILIZING THIS PERSON FAR MORE. ONCE THE INITIAL WORKLOAD IS DOWN, I SEE US INTEGRATING A LOT MORE AI TOOLS. UH, I'LL DISCUSS A LITTLE MORE TOMORROW IN DETAIL. DON'T USE ANY DATA CENTERS. ? NO. JAMES, WHILE YOU'RE THERE. YES SIR. HAVE YOU LOOKED AT ALL OF THE REST OF THESE IT NEEDS? UH, OR DO YOU, DO YOU [01:35:01] HAVE RESPON? DO YOU LOOK AT THOSE? WE LOOK AT EVERY ONE OF 'EM, YES. UH, AND, AND AND LAST YEAR I WORKED REALLY HARD WITH THE DEPARTMENTS AND WE HAD REALLY NO, UH, UH, IT EXPENSES OUTSIDE A COUPLE FOR THE DEPUTIES TO REALLY CUT DOWN. AND SO WE NEED TO TRY REALLY HARD TO KEEP THE EQUIPMENT UP TO DATE. UH, NUMBER ONE, I DON'T WANT TO GO FIVE YEARS WITH NO UPDATES. UH, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE WE'LL JUST GO BACKWARDS. IT STARTS HURTING INDIVIDUALS USING THE COMPUTERS. UH, MAJORITY OF THESE COMPUTERS STAY ON 24 HOURS A DAY, UH, AND, AND THEY'RE WORKING, DOING THEIR JOB. SO TO KEEP ALL THE EMPLOYEES EFFICIENT, IT DOES. WE LOOK AT EVERY ONE OF THOSE AND OKAY. IT'S GOOD TO KEEP GOING. IT'S, IT'S STILL REDUCED TO WHAT WE DID MY FIRST COUPLE YEARS WHEN I CAME IN, SO WE'RE JUST GONNA MAINTAIN. SO YOU'RE SAYING MOST OF THESE THAT ARE ON, SIR, THERE? YES SIR. I'VE LOOKED AT 'EM AND, UH, ARE, ARE NEEDED. I MOVE TO ADJO A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? GO. WE'RE PLANNING ON TWO 30 HERE. SO , ONE GENERAL COMMENT THAT I THINK WILL BE HELPFUL GOING THROUGH, UM, TOMORROW AND EVEN TODAY. SO I KNOW A LOT OF TIMES, YOU KNOW, WE SIT HERE AND HAVE CONVERSATION ABOUT DESK CHAIRS, DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT. AND SO, UM, WE SENT THIS ALL OUT, UM, WITH ALL THE EXPENSE DEFINITIONS AND REALLY REITERATED IT WITH DEPARTMENTS. BUT, UM, WHEN WE REDID OUR GL ACCOUNT STRUCTURE, THAT WAS SOMETHING WE REALLY LOOKED AT. SO WE HAVE CAPITAL LINES, WHICH ARE FOR, UM, EXPENSES 5,000 OR MORE THAT WE CAPITALIZE AND DEPRECIATE FOR FINANCIAL REPORTING PURPOSES. THEN WE HAVE NON CAP LINES AND THOSE LINES ARE USED FOR INVENTORY PURPOSES. WELL, THERE WERE A LOT OF ITEMS THAT WERE BEING PURCHASED IN THOSE NON CAP LINES THAT WERE NOT TAGGING, WE'RE NOT TRACKING FOR INVENTORY PURPOSES. SO THE QUESTION WAS ASKED OF THEN WHY ARE WE BUDGETING THERE? WHY ARE WE PAYING EXPENSES THERE? WE DO, I'M GIVING YOU MORE INFORMATION THAN YOU NEED, BUT WE DO A RECONCILIATION OF EVERYTHING THAT WE BUY FROM CAPITAL. WAS IT ADDED TO OUR FIXED ASSETS? AND SO I FELT LIKE THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT PURCHASING COULD DO, IS THEY COULD USE THOSE NON CAP LINES TO MAKE SURE FOR INVENTORY PURPOSES THAT EVERYTHING IS IN THERE. UM, SO ANYTHING $500 OR MORE, UNLESS PURCHASING HAS ASKED FOR CONTROL PURPOSES, UM, CERTAIN ASSETS THAT THEY WANT TO TAG, THOSE WILL BE PURCHASED FROM SUPPLY LINES. SO WE ARE NOT GONNA SEE CHAIR REQUESTS OR EVEN IF IT'S CERTAIN MONITORS AND STUFF, UM, THAT WILL JUST BE PURCHASED FROM SUPPLY LINES AND THOSE WILL NOT COME ON YOUR, UM, NON-CAPITAL REQUESTS. SO I THINK THAT SHOULD MAKE THINGS A LOT EASIER. I THINK IT'LL MAKE THINGS EASIER FOR DEPARTMENTS TO BUY THESE THINGS AND THEN YOU'RE NOT MAKING THOSE DECISIONS. SO IF YOU DO SEE SOME FLUCTUATION IN SOME SUPPLY LINES, THAT COULD BE IT IS BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE ITEMS WILL BE PURCHASED FROM THERE. SO YOU WON'T SEE THAT ON THE REQUEST LIST. THANK YOU BRIANNA. YOU'RE WELCOME. YEAH, I'LL EYE ON THAT TOO. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.